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(Courier-Journal)   Starting July 21, Kentucky drivers licenses will no longer be accepted as valid identification at federal buildings. Bring your passport or stay home   (courier-journal.com ) divider line
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2014-07-15 10:33:32 AM  
Massachusetts drivers licenses, too, as well as any other state that doesn't meet the requirements of the Real ID law.
 
2014-07-15 10:36:57 AM  

Theaetetus: Massachusetts drivers licenses, too, as well as any other state that doesn't meet the requirements of the Real ID law.


I think we do comply with that law. We certainly don't have this problem:

One big issue, said Kentucky Transportation Cabinet spokeswoman Lisa Tolliver, is that unlike many states where driver's licenses are issued by a single state agency, Kentucky's licenses are handled by local Circuit Court clerk's offices at 145 locations, making it more difficult to standardize procedures.
 
2014-07-15 11:01:37 AM  

what_now: Theaetetus: Massachusetts drivers licenses, too, as well as any other state that doesn't meet the requirements of the Real ID law.

I think we do comply with that law.


Nope. Was at a federal agency last week and got the "your drivers license doesn't comply and you'll need your passport after July 21" handout.
Specifically, you don't have to provide proof of your address in Massachusetts, and the DMV doesn't retain such documentation, which is one of the Real ID requirements.
 
2014-07-15 11:08:01 AM  

Theaetetus: Specifically, you don't have to provide proof of your address in Massachusetts, and the DMV doesn't retain such documentation, which is one of the Real ID requirements.


oh, this makes sense. My license has the wrong address. When I asked how to update it, I was told "Well, you can write on the back of it, but you don't have to worry until it expires". Which is absurd.
 
2014-07-15 12:28:50 PM  
I was on jury duty for a DUI case involving someone who had his Mass license revoked, so he went to Kentucky to get a license there, under the logic that an out of state license would get him the right to drive in Mass again. It didn't.

/a first DUI means you made a not-uncommon mistake
//a second DUI means you're a sh*thead who didn't learn the first time that driving drunk is a good way to hurt innocent people
///especially if your booking video shows you too drunk to tell left from right AN HOUR AFTER YOUR ARREST
////yes, I sent that SOB to jail for 2nd DUI and driving without a license... cops forgot to photograph the car he hit-and-ran, so we couldn't nail him on that
 
2014-07-15 01:40:13 PM  

Theaetetus: what_now: Theaetetus: Massachusetts drivers licenses, too, as well as any other state that doesn't meet the requirements of the Real ID law.

I think we do comply with that law.

Nope. Was at a federal agency last week and got the "your drivers license doesn't comply and you'll need your passport after July 21" handout.
Specifically, you don't have to provide proof of your address in Massachusetts, and the DMV doesn't retain such documentation, which is one of the Real ID requirements.


Why does the MA ID form require a form with proof of residency then?
 
2014-07-15 01:41:47 PM  

what_now: Theaetetus: Specifically, you don't have to provide proof of your address in Massachusetts, and the DMV doesn't retain such documentation, which is one of the Real ID requirements.

oh, this makes sense. My license has the wrong address. When I asked how to update it, I was told "Well, you can write on the back of it, but you don't have to worry until it expires". Which is absurd.


In FL you have like 60 days or it's a fine if you get pulled and tell the cop the address is wrong.
 
2014-07-15 01:42:54 PM  
They've only had nine years to fix it.
 
2014-07-15 01:43:50 PM  
Well, the law IS stopping enviro terrorists, and that's nice.
 
2014-07-15 01:44:09 PM  
What if you are called to testify in a federal court and dont have a passport?
 
2014-07-15 01:45:57 PM  

what_now: Theaetetus: Specifically, you don't have to provide proof of your address in Massachusetts, and the DMV doesn't retain such documentation, which is one of the Real ID requirements.

oh, this makes sense. My license has the wrong address. When I asked how to update it, I was told "Well, you can write on the back of it, but you don't have to worry until it expires". Which is absurd.


What? Really?  Up here in the backwards hinterlands we have this issue figured out.  We go to the nearest government office (you would call them the DMV, ours handle all manner of government functions other than just motor vehicles) and tell them we have moved.  They take our new address and print out a security label (those ones that tear apart if you try to peel them off of anything) and stick it on the back of your license.  No charges for a new card or anything.   When you renew it gets updated on the front.
 
2014-07-15 01:47:16 PM  
OK, I'm as against big government as the next guy, but...

FTA: Kentucky's licenses are handled by local Circuit Court clerk's offices at 145 locations.

Seriously guys, go around your a55 to get to your elbow much?
 
2014-07-15 01:47:38 PM  
Went to Canada about 10yrs ago with a friend from Jersey. They wouldn't let her into the casino.
 
2014-07-15 01:48:22 PM  

INeedAName: Went to Canada about 10yrs ago with a friend from Jersey. They wouldn't let her into the casino.


They knew better than to let someone from Jersey into the casino.
 
2014-07-15 01:48:39 PM  
Why is it important that the government ID everyone who goes in a federal building?  They already have the detectors to keep weapons and bombs out.

Would these requirements have kept any of the 9/11 hijackers from getting driver's licenses or entering a federal building?

Will these requirements be enforced against foreign nationals, specifically the 20 million (or more) 3rd world illegal immigrants already in this country?
 
2014-07-15 01:48:55 PM  

Tricky Chicken: What if you are called to testify in a federal court and dont have a passport?


Interesting question.  I'd guess you'd go to Gitmo, these days...

/mostly kidding
//sort of
 
2014-07-15 01:50:31 PM  
Geheime Staatspolizei : Papers, Ver are your Papers?
 
2014-07-15 01:51:02 PM  
I'm still of the opinion that it really doesn't matter what your ID says, everyone should be subject to the same screening. (I'll leave why we have screening at a federal building for another day's discussion - clearly the security guard doesn't have a "no-entry" list memorized and doesn't check your ID against anything so why ask?)

How many of the 9/11 hijackers had state-issued IDs? (Yes, I know, several were the result of bribes but RealID doesn't prevent that)

Identity only matters if you're giving special or preferential treatment (Global Entry/NEXUS/etc) and then it must be biometric.
 
2014-07-15 01:51:42 PM  
While I get wanting to beef up security around DLs, they should be more concerned with verifying that the person with the ID is who they say they are versus whether or not they are there legally. A person there illegally is just as likely to use a fake ID or the ID of another person.
 
2014-07-15 01:53:11 PM  

PunGent: Tricky Chicken: What if you are called to testify in a federal court and dont have a passport?

Interesting question.  I'd guess you'd go to Gitmo, these days...

/mostly kidding
//sort of


You aren't allowed in, then an arrest warrant is issued for failure to appear, you then can't even turn yourself into the court...

...maybe you are now immune from federal prosecution.
 
2014-07-15 01:54:20 PM  

Tricky Chicken: What if you are called to testify in a federal court and dont have a passport?


Tell them you refuse to testify unless you're allowed to wear your Hayduke Lives! shirt.
 
2014-07-15 01:54:35 PM  
In Georgia it only takes about 3 hours to get a driver's license renewed due to this nonsense.  You have to bring all of your original documentation along with 2 utility bills that show your address.  If you happen to be a woman you get to bring all of your court records and marriage certificates to show that your name changed.  Some people have taken 4 trips at several hours each to get it.

I guess if you are homeless you can't get a driver's license.

And of course my driver's license is lumped in as 'A-OK' for Georgia even though it was issued in 2006.
 
2014-07-15 01:54:47 PM  
Just tell them your're an illegal alien. They'll let you right in without ID then.
 
2014-07-15 01:57:37 PM  
Current list of states that don't comply:

Kentucky, Alaska, Arizona, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, New York, Oklahoma and Washington
 
2014-07-15 01:57:58 PM  
So we need a passport now to walk into any federal building or fly, but its racist to need an ID to vote on the people making these laws?

stolen and tweaked from the comments.  but apropos.
 
2014-07-15 01:59:20 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: OK, I'm as against big government as the next guy, but...

FTA: Kentucky's licenses are handled by local Circuit Court clerk's offices at 145 locations.

Seriously guys, go around your a55 to get to your elbow much?


It is a standard state issued license, the county clerk is just the body that issues it. We have 120 counties, and trying to have a state office in each county to perform that task seems overkill when there is already a government office there, why not just let them do it.
 
2014-07-15 01:59:46 PM  
Well, this is what happens when you give $43 million in tax breaks to build a god damn Ark and not enough to get your driver's licensing shiat up to date.
 
2014-07-15 02:00:13 PM  
I remember not that long ago (80's and 90's) when federal buildings were free and open to the public without any ID at all.  Metal detector for courthouses, that was it.  Any other federal building* you could just walk into and walk around because they are public buildings paid for with tax dollars on public property.

Now everything from pubic parks to passport offices are fenced off, surrounded by armed guards, barbed wire, bollards, and worse.


/* within reason
// Protip: Timothy McVeigh didn't bother with the doorbell.
 
2014-07-15 02:00:49 PM  

redmid17: While I get wanting to beef up security around DLs, they should be more concerned with verifying that the person with the ID is who they say they are versus whether or not they are there legally. A person there illegally is just as likely to use a fake ID or the ID of another person.


It's just more security theater. It's a 9/11 bill after all.

A passport is becoming more common in the U.S. anyway. You can't go to Canada (and Mexico?) without one. Although, I doubt that's prevented any terrorism.
 
2014-07-15 02:01:55 PM  
I don't mind the thought of reducing counterfeited ID's or even having a national ID card.  What really bugs me about this law is the whole facial recognition database it requires to be built.
 
2014-07-15 02:03:49 PM  

reaperducer: I remember not that long ago (80's and 90's) when federal buildings were free and open to the public without any ID at all.  Metal detector for courthouses, that was it.  Any other federal building* you could just walk into and walk around because they are public buildings paid for with tax dollars on public property.

Now everything from pubic parks to passport offices are fenced off, surrounded by armed guards, barbed wire, bollards, and worse.


/* within reason
// Protip: Timothy McVeigh didn't bother with the doorbell.


I don't get it either. At pubic parks it's pretty hard to conceal something.
 
2014-07-15 02:06:14 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: OK, I'm as against big government as the next guy, but...

FTA: Kentucky's licenses are handled by local Circuit Court clerk's offices at 145 locations.

Seriously guys, go around your a55 to get to your elbow much?


One in every county, and the more populous counties have satellite offices.
Does your state have one DMV office?
 
2014-07-15 02:09:16 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: redmid17: While I get wanting to beef up security around DLs, they should be more concerned with verifying that the person with the ID is who they say they are versus whether or not they are there legally. A person there illegally is just as likely to use a fake ID or the ID of another person.

It's just more security theater. It's a 9/11 bill after all.

A passport is becoming more common in the U.S. anyway. You can't go to Canada (and Mexico?) without one. Although, I doubt that's prevented any terrorism.


Only 30% of Americans have passports, so if they are becoming more popular, it's most likely because of the Canada/Mexico requirement. I didn't need a passport the first time I went to MX with my family in 2000, just a birth certificate. My mom didn't have a passport until the last time she went to MX, despite having been there for her honeymoon and several vacations since.
 
2014-07-15 02:13:34 PM  

what_now: Theaetetus: Specifically, you don't have to provide proof of your address in Massachusetts, and the DMV doesn't retain such documentation, which is one of the Real ID requirements.

oh, this makes sense. My license has the wrong address. When I asked how to update it, I was told "Well, you can write on the back of it, but you don't have to worry until it expires". Which is absurd.


Colorado is in compliance and we are supposed to put corrected addresses on ourselves.  You still are supposed to report the change of address to the DMV, they just don't send you a new card unless you specifically request and pay for one.  It feels weird, though, when you're asked to prove city/county residency or something with an address you scribbled on the back of your card yourself.

Also, we used to only renew every 10 years, so keeping it updated on the card was a pain at that age where you move every year or two.  It's now 5 years, probably due to RealID.

\Just had to do my renewal and there were signs plastered all over about the extra documentation you'd have to bring along if you had moved from one of these states that haven't caught up.
 
2014-07-15 02:16:49 PM  
You've had nine years, dumbasses. WTF have you been doing?
 
2014-07-15 02:17:21 PM  

It's Me Bender: Why is it important that the government ID everyone who goes in a federal building?  They already have the detectors to keep weapons and bombs out.

Would these requirements have kept any of the 9/11 hijackers from getting driver's licenses or entering a federal building?

Will these requirements be enforced against foreign nationals, specifically the 20 million (or more) 3rd world illegal immigrants already in this country?


fark off, racist troll.
 
2014-07-15 02:20:58 PM  

It's Me Bender: Why is it important that the government ID everyone who goes in a federal building?  They already have the detectors to keep weapons and bombs out.

Would these requirements have kept any of the 9/11 hijackers from getting driver's licenses or entering a federal building?

Will these requirements be enforced against foreign nationals, specifically the 20 million (or more) 3rd world illegal immigrants already in this country?


Of course not. If you are darker skinned and speak Spanish, you are guaranteed a front row seat. They even get a free escort from a government official.
 
2014-07-15 02:23:05 PM  

jvowles: It's Me Bender: Why is it important that the government ID everyone who goes in a federal building?  They already have the detectors to keep weapons and bombs out.

Would these requirements have kept any of the 9/11 hijackers from getting driver's licenses or entering a federal building?

Will these requirements be enforced against foreign nationals, specifically the 20 million (or more) 3rd world illegal immigrants already in this country?

fark off, racist troll.


not sure what was racists about his post. it's a valid question. we seem to be going out of our way to make getting an ID easy if your illegal while making it harder if you were born here.

or are you just a typical libtard that has no valid argument so you just cry "racism" for everything?
 
2014-07-15 02:23:08 PM  
Stupid and Asinine tags on vacay, huh?
 
2014-07-15 02:27:01 PM  

king_nacho: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: OK, I'm as against big government as the next guy, but...

FTA: Kentucky's licenses are handled by local Circuit Court clerk's offices at 145 locations.

Seriously guys, go around your a55 to get to your elbow much?

It is a standard state issued license, the county clerk is just the body that issues it. We have 120 counties, and trying to have a state office in each county to perform that task seems overkill when there is already a government office there, why not just let them do it.


120 counties? What do you have, like 2 towns in every county?

//16 counties here. BIG-ASS counties.
 
2014-07-15 02:29:45 PM  
Or a CAC card, military ID, etc, etc. Not the end of the world.

Besides that, NM has had to deal with this problem for at least half a decade now.
 
2014-07-15 02:30:26 PM  
Let the bastards freeze to death in the dark.
 
2014-07-15 02:34:08 PM  

jvowles: It's Me Bender: Why is it important that the government ID everyone who goes in a federal building?  They already have the detectors to keep weapons and bombs out.

Would these requirements have kept any of the 9/11 hijackers from getting driver's licenses or entering a federal building?

Will these requirements be enforced against foreign nationals, specifically the 20 million (or more) 3rd world illegal immigrants already in this country?

fark off, racist troll.


Ah, so you have him flagged as racist too?
 
2014-07-15 02:35:17 PM  

patrick767: You've had nine years, dumbasses. WTF have you been doing?


Not sure if serious.  Many states have passed legislation barring them from participating in the program. Here being in compliance was against state law even before the law specifically forbidding it was passed (unanimously).  THAT is what we've been doing.  Participating in useless security theater is the real dumbass move, dumbass!
 
2014-07-15 02:35:56 PM  

king_nacho: Current list of states that don't comply:

Washington


Welp, that explains why the investigator handling my clearance asked me to bring my passport to the building where we met to discuss my application back in February.
 
2014-07-15 02:37:47 PM  
Missouri actually passed an anti-Real ID law in 2009, HB 361.
 
2014-07-15 02:42:17 PM  
Sen. Rand Paul's office was not aware of any problems with Kentucky's driver's licenses and access to federal facilities.
"As far as I know, we have not been advised of this policy or heard any comments about it," said Paul spokesman Daniel Bayens.


Why does this not surprise me?
 
2014-07-15 02:45:28 PM  

zerkalo: king_nacho: Current list of states that don't comply:

Washington

Welp, that explains why the investigator handling my clearance asked me to bring my passport to the building where we met to discuss my application back in February.


Why does everyone assume everyone else has a passport? It's not like they're inexpensive.
 
2014-07-15 02:48:30 PM  
John Buck 41:
120 counties? What do you have, like 2 towns in every county?

//16 counties here. BIG-ASS counties.


When the state was divided into counties, the law was that you had to be able to make a round-trip from anywhere in the county to the county seat within 1 day, as well as the same between any two adjacent county seats, for purposes of being able to actually vote and transact official business.  I live in the largest county in the state (Pike), and we have a total of 788.84 square miles in our county.

The regulations were later changed, but we've not ever merged any of our counties together, to the best of my knowledge.  You can find more information on Wikipedia, if you were curious.
 
2014-07-15 02:52:00 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Missouri actually passed an anti-Real ID law in 2009, HB 361.


Quite a few states did.

The problem is that they left huge loopholes in those laws, including the Missouri one.

That law, for example, requires that biometric data not be collected for Real ID compliance, and that any biometric data collected for that purpose be destroyed.  Good, right?

Well, no.  They can still collect and retain the data, so long as they list a purpose that isn't Real ID.

The end result is the same.
 
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