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2014-07-15 10:24:58 AM  
Interestingly, the word "Bush" does not appear until you reach the article's comments. It does reference the 2008 law, but I think we can all agree that Bush had absolutely no way of knowing his successor would be a black Democrat, so it's hardly a useful exercise to blame him for any consequences.
 
2014-07-15 10:25:14 AM  
U.S. policy allows Mexican child migrants to be sent back quickly across the border. However, under a 2008 law meant to combat child trafficking, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, children from Central America must be given a court hearing before they are deported (or allowed to stay). Given the huge backlog of cases, they may have to wait years for a hearing.

George Bush did a few good things during his presidency. This was one of them.
 
2014-07-15 10:29:00 AM  
Everybody knows it's the Democrats sending FEMA agents down there do distribute flyers to people telling them to send their children to America so they could become citizens and vote for Democrats. It's the only possible way that the Democrats can defeat Republicans in the future. Because Republican policies are so farking awesome.
 
2014-07-15 10:30:15 AM  
I blame Nancy Reagan, actually.
 
2014-07-15 10:42:35 AM  

what_now: I blame Nancy Reagan, actually.


That whore.
 
2014-07-15 10:47:29 AM  
so they need to teach the mexican children to say that they are from central america, not mexico then?!

Lando Lincoln: what_now: I blame Nancy Reagan, actually.

That whore.


Just say no!
/You have no idea what you would catch from her.
 
2014-07-15 11:19:23 AM  
bdub77: U.S. policy allows Mexican child migrants to be sent back quickly across the border. However, under a 2008 law meant to combat child trafficking, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, children from Central America must be given a court hearing before they are deported (or allowed to stay). Given the huge backlog of cases, they may have to wait years for a hearing.

George Bush did a few good things during his presidency. This was one of them.


Agreed. Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.
 
2014-07-15 11:25:43 AM  

Somacandra: Agreed. Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.


as long as you dont worry about protecting mexican children ?
 
2014-07-15 11:27:02 AM  
Don't worry, subby, you can go ahead and blame Obama for that 2008 law, much like right-wing AM radio heroes blame him for the 2008 recession
 
2014-07-15 11:30:31 AM  

Somacandra: vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.


That's hardly a difficult standard to meet. Just about anything is vastly more important than satisfying teabaggers.

Although I don't think projecting children will going to help much.
 
2014-07-15 11:37:18 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Don't worry, subby, you can go ahead and blame Obama for that 2008 law, much like right-wing AM radio heroes blame him for the 2008 recession


They tried to pin the lackluster response to Katrina on him, too.

i595.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-15 12:26:05 PM  
I do not blame George Bush for signing a law to prevent child trafficking. I praise him. I blame him for a lot of things, but certainly not that. This crisis is an unintended consequence of that law, it's true. But that is not the same as blame. I just wish the wing nuts on the other side would stop trying to blame "Obama's policies" for this crisis. There is no basis for reality in that, and it's just been an exercise in not doing anything.
 
2014-07-15 12:34:49 PM  

DeaH: I do not blame George Bush for signing a law to prevent child trafficking. I praise him. I blame him for a lot of things, but certainly not that. This crisis is an unintended consequence of that law, it's true. But that is not the same as blame. I just wish the wing nuts on the other side would stop trying to blame "Obama's policies" for this crisis. There is no basis for reality in that, and it's just been an exercise in not doing anything.


It seems increasingly that when presented with a crisis, our politicians, media and the rest of us, waste more time trying to assign blame than in figuring out solutions. Because solutions require actions, and those can be difficult, but blame is easy. I get it with our politicians. They are short-sighted in the extreme, interested more in their survival in the next election than anything else. The rest of us, though? There's no sense in it.
 
2014-07-15 12:48:42 PM  
Remember when we sealed the borders after 9/11?
NOTHING GOT IN!!

Drug prices sky-rocketed as supplies dropped to zero.

no wait. we NEVER sealed the borders. we just made it difficult for honest people to cross the border.

/yawn
 
2014-07-15 02:12:33 PM  
I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.
 
2014-07-15 02:14:36 PM  

namatad: Somacandra: Agreed. Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.

as long as you dont worry about protecting mexican children ?


Nah, those kids are assholes. Just chuck 'em back over the fence and tell 'em to fark off.
 
2014-07-15 02:15:29 PM  
Honestly, Bush did a good thing with this law.  I'm proud of him for doing so.
 
2014-07-15 02:15:55 PM  

namatad: so they need to teach the mexican children to say that they are from central america, not mexico then?!

Lando Lincoln: what_now: I blame Nancy Reagan, actually.

That whore.

Just say no!
/You have no idea what you would catch from her.


She came to my house and gave me a blow job, she licked my D!k up and down like it was corn on the cob
 
2014-07-15 02:17:40 PM  

what_now: I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.


TIL that the Nazis are blitzkrieging Central America.

Too bad all the Ramones are dead.
 
2014-07-15 02:18:28 PM  

JolobinSmokin: namatad: so they need to teach the mexican children to say that they are from central america, not mexico then?!

Lando Lincoln: what_now: I blame Nancy Reagan, actually.

That whore.

Just say no!
/You have no idea what you would catch from her.

She came to my house and gave me a blow job, she licked my D!k up and down like it was corn on the cob


Who licks corn?
 
2014-07-15 02:19:03 PM  
CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS

*shiats and pisses pants, rolls around in the shiat and piss*
 
2014-07-15 02:19:20 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Don't worry, subby, you can go ahead and blame Obama for that 2008 law, much like right-wing AM radio heroes blame him for the 2008 recession


The bill was passed by unanimous consent, so Obama voted for it, which means he owns it too.
 
2014-07-15 02:20:08 PM  
Jackson Herring:
*shiats and pisses pants, rolls around in the shiat and piss*

But enough about your sex life.
 
2014-07-15 02:20:15 PM  

Nabb1: It seems increasingly that when presented with a crisis, our politicians, media and the rest of us, waste more time trying to assign blame than in figuring out solutions. Because solutions require actions, and those can be difficult, but blame is easy. I get it with our politicians. They are short-sighted in the extreme, interested more in their survival in the next election than anything else. The rest of us, though? There's no sense in it.


I blame the "politics-as-a-team-sport" mentality.  There's only 2 teams in this league, and if you can make the other team lose, then your team gets to be champions.  It used to be that the purpose of the debate wasn't to pick a winner, but to compare ideas and find the best ones.  Now, it's just about winning, regardless of the cost.
 
2014-07-15 02:20:33 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Everybody knows it's the Democrats sending FEMA agents down there do distribute flyers to people telling them to send their children to America so they could become citizens and vote for Democrats. It's the only possible way that the Democrats can defeat Republicans in the future. Because Republican policies are so farking awesome.


I like how Republicans are now (at least Perry) are saying put troops on the boarder (even though the would do nothing and the refugees are giving themselves up not crossing) like these people in central America have cameras set up monitoring the US-Mexico border and they would find out and go "Oh no look people are standing there, let's not go!"
 
2014-07-15 02:20:52 PM  
Sad thing is Republicans could close the Central American loophole if they were interested in actually fixing the problem.
 
2014-07-15 02:21:59 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Sad thing is Republicans could close the Central American loophole if they were interested in actually fixing the problem.


Or could give Obama the money so they could be deported like they say they want. But instead they want to make it worse then blame Obama for it.

Imagine that.
 
2014-07-15 02:22:22 PM  
George Bush has made all the eagles ill.
 
2014-07-15 02:22:26 PM  

pootsie: JolobinSmokin: namatad: so they need to teach the mexican children to say that they are from central america, not mexico then?!

Lando Lincoln: what_now: I blame Nancy Reagan, actually.

That whore.

Just say no!
/You have no idea what you would catch from her.

She came to my house and gave me a blow job, she licked my D!k up and down like it was corn on the cob

Who licks corn?


I guess Too $hort
 
2014-07-15 02:23:59 PM  

Somacandra: Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.


what_now: I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.


So why are we making them risk their lives traveling on the tops of trains and swimming rivers to get here? Why don't we send buses and planes down to Central and South America to pick up every single person who demands asylum?
 
2014-07-15 02:24:32 PM  
Bush is going to be blamed for lots of things as long as history is written in states other than Texas
 
2014-07-15 02:25:36 PM  

Nabb1: It seems increasingly that when presented with a crisis, our politicians, media and the rest of us, waste more time trying to assign blame than in figuring out solutions. Because solutions require actions, and those can be difficult, but blame is easy. I get it with our politicians. They are short-sighted in the extreme, interested more in their survival in the next election than anything else. The rest of us, though? There's no sense in it.


Right BOTH SIDES BAD!! Why doesn't Obama try to come up with a solution instead of playing politics!!

Oh wait he did but the Republicans don't want him to "win" so they are trying to stop it!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/07/09/border-c hi ldren-president-obama-republicans-editorials-debates/12404557/

Yet now that Obama is proposing a fix to the problem - asking Congress for $3.7 billion for new detention centers and more judges and legal officers to expedite the deportation process - congressional Republicans are balking.

Obama has proposed a solution. Republicans have said they just want to sit around and blame Obama. Don't give us this "Both sides are bad" BS.
 
2014-07-15 02:25:50 PM  

jjorsett: Somacandra: Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.

what_now: I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.

So why are we making them risk their lives traveling on the tops of trains and swimming rivers to get here? Why don't we send buses and planes down to Central and South America to pick up every single person who demands asylum?


International relations.  We'll give amnesty to those who get to our borders, that's how the system works.
 
2014-07-15 02:26:31 PM  

jjorsett: Somacandra: Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.

what_now: I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.

So why are we making them risk their lives traveling on the tops of trains and swimming rivers to get here? Why don't we send buses and planes down to Central and South America to pick up every single person who demands asylum?


I'd do that if we could send you down there. There's at least a chance that some of them would be sane productive Americans.
 
2014-07-15 02:28:25 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Sad thing is Republicans could close the Central American loophole if they were interested in actually fixing the problem.


Uh no you wanna fix the problem

Demand the Central American newspapers and radio station immediate cease all false reporting about what the dream act actually is and immediately start broadcasting corrections.  Hell offer them $500K for the advertising
 
2014-07-15 02:28:31 PM  

what_now: I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.


We're a Christian nation, and Christ hated little kids.

"And if a child comes into your land without their parents, hungry and thirsty, I say to you that it is your duty to turn them back to where they came from and tell them to fill out the appropriate immigration forms."
- John 5:18-19

It's also on the base of the statue of liberty:

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired*, your poor*,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free*,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore*.
Send these, the homeless*, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

*Offer only applies to persons without criminal records, have the means to support themselves, are of legal adult age and/or have a job in the United States waiting for them, and have filled out the appropriate paperwork with the appropriate documentation from their country of origin and must sit on a waiting list for a number of years while your paperwork is being processed.
 
2014-07-15 02:28:42 PM  
American xenophobes haven't shown this much class since they turned away the "St. Louis" from U.S. ports in 1939.
 
2014-07-15 02:29:04 PM  

Corvus: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Sad thing is Republicans could close the Central American loophole if they were interested in actually fixing the problem.

Or could give Obama the money so they could be deported like they say they want. But instead they want to make it worse then blame Obama for it.

Imagine that.


Yeah. I forget the exact numbers, but at current levels we can only process like one or two thousand kids a year. With additional funds and judges, that number would rise to something like 70,000.
 
2014-07-15 02:29:50 PM  

ShadowKamui: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Sad thing is Republicans could close the Central American loophole if they were interested in actually fixing the problem.

Uh no you wanna fix the problem

Demand the Central American newspapers and radio station immediate cease all false reporting about what the dream act actually is and immediately start broadcasting corrections.  Hell offer them $500K for the advertising


Part of the spending bill addresses this very thing.
 
2014-07-15 02:30:02 PM  

jjorsett: So why are we making them risk their lives traveling on the tops of trains and swimming rivers to get here? Why don't we send buses and planes down to Central and South America to pick up every single person who demands asylum?


there's a battle just to allow the kids who happen to get here a chance to stay and you are wondering why we can't get the political will to airlift tens of thousands of kids out of central america?
 
2014-07-15 02:30:24 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Everybody knows it's the Democrats sending FEMA agents down there do distribute flyers to people telling them to send their children to America so they could become citizens and vote for Democrats.


Pointing out the obvious I see.
 
2014-07-15 02:30:39 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Don't worry, subby, you can go ahead and blame Obama for that 2008 law, much like right-wing AM radio heroes blame him for the 2008 recession


Or the way Clinton is to blame for 911. Or Hillary for the Tamiflu debacle of 2004.
 
2014-07-15 02:30:46 PM  

jjorsett: So why are we making them risk their lives traveling on the tops of trains and swimming rivers to get here? Why don't we send buses and planes down to Central and South America to pick up every single person who demands asylum?


Do you honestly think that this is a real argument? I'm curious.
 
2014-07-15 02:30:52 PM  
What exactly is the problem with us taking in children?  Could someone explain that to me?  Do we have a lack of space?  A lack of resources?
 
2014-07-15 02:31:02 PM  
Lando Lincoln: ...
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired*, your poor*,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free*,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore*.
Send these, the homeless*, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

..

Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I'll piss on 'em
that's what the Statue of Bigotry says
Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard

...Lou Reed
 
2014-07-15 02:31:26 PM  

Infernalist: jjorsett: Somacandra: Regardless of the bromide and vitriol directed at the buses of immigrants, the impulse to intervene to project children from international trafficking is vastly more important that satisfying TeaBaggers.

what_now: I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the people who don't think there is any place in our country for refugee children.

These kids aren't coming to take your jerbs, they aren't coming to get on welfare, they're fleeing for their lives. Central America is 1938 Poland right now, and we're turning the ships back.

So why are we making them risk their lives traveling on the tops of trains and swimming rivers to get here? Why don't we send buses and planes down to Central and South America to pick up every single person who demands asylum?

International relations.  We'll give amnesty to those who get to our borders, that's how the system works.


Seriously, how do you think countries would react to a large scale kidnapping of their citizens from within their own borders? jjorset, I know you're working the hyperbole angle, but Jesus it's dumb in this case.

I'm still amazed that the latest "scary crisis" the right would have us pissing ourselves over is a bunch of half-starved refugee children. Glad to see that my local officials like Clay Jenkins and Mike Rawlings are doing something to fix the problem instead of uselessly sh*tting bricks.
 
2014-07-15 02:31:30 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Interestingly, the word "Bush" does not appear until you reach the article's comments. It does reference the 2008 law, but I think we can all agree that Bush had absolutely no way of knowing his successor would be a black Democrat, so it's hardly a useful exercise to blame him for any consequences.

the word "Bush" does not appear until you reach the article's comments.

the word "Bush" does not appear
until you reach the article's comments.

until you reach the article's comments.

the word "Bush" does not appear until you reach the article's comments.


Got it, Subby?
 
2014-07-15 02:33:17 PM  

Infernalist: What exactly is the problem with us taking in children?  Could someone explain that to me?  Do we have a lack of space?  A lack of resources?


AMNESTY!

They are criminals because they went up to the boarder and said they were refugees don't you understand?
 
2014-07-15 02:34:26 PM  
 
2014-07-15 02:36:17 PM  

Mikey1969: the word "Bush" does not appear until you reach the article's comments.

Got it, Subby?


From the article:

U.S. policy allows Mexican child migrants to be sent back quickly across the border. However, under a 2008 law meant to combat child trafficking, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, children from Central America must be given a court hearing before they are deported (or allowed to stay). Given the huge backlog of cases, they may have to wait years for a hearing.

A 2008 law, which was signed by future President Barack Obama, traveling in his time machine.
 
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