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(Inside World Soccer)   Germany's Christoph Kramer 'can't remember much' of World Cup final   (insideworldsoccer.com) divider line 36
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2014-07-15 01:21:35 PM  
He's out!
 
2014-07-15 02:00:08 PM  
In light of all the head-to-head/elbow/shoulder/knee contact at this year's World Cup, I think FIFA will clean up its act in time for the 2030 World Cup.
 
2014-07-15 02:05:23 PM  
Maybe the players should act more hurt than they really are.
 
2014-07-15 02:06:41 PM  
Of course he can't remember much of it. The guy was completely out of it after he got hit in the face.

The tournament also had that Uruguayan guy who got knocked out cold for like a minute and got pulled off the pitch. As soon as the physios signaled for him to be subbed out, he ran back on the pitch.

FIFA just needs to have a hard rule that states: if the physio says the guy needs to come off, that decision is final. There's no reason why Kramer should've come back on, dazed as he was.
 
2014-07-15 02:09:19 PM  
I think the easy solution is to just increase the number of allowed substitutes in competitions. That way there is less pressure to stay on the field when someone is hurt that early in the game.
 
2014-07-15 02:13:58 PM  
What FIFA should really be concerned about is how the incompetent referee almost decided this game.
 
2014-07-15 02:16:06 PM  
Give each team a 4th substitute to use only in case of an injury or during extra time during major tournaments.

Simple and clean way for FIFA to show the world that they do care about the health of their paychecks players and take one small step towards the modern age.
 
2014-07-15 02:19:34 PM  
this guy was absolutely scrambled after that first hit. he probably didn't remember his farking name let alone where he was. playing fast and loose with this guys health (death or permanent brain injury is possible in concussion cases, even likely, and assessment takes way more than shoving some smelling salts under his nose and giving him a swift a pat on the ass to get back out there.

they got lucky here, but his concussion problems and symptoms may not be over. i get it is the biggest game in the world on the biggest stage, and he probably wanted to keep playing, but those without head injuries need to make immediate decisions to remove him from the game, regardless of what he might want or what the available substitution level happened to be.

germany had a pretty deep team here, and he was a substitute for a player already. this doesn't change the outcome and we don't have to wonder what happens next time he gets hit in the head if this was handled right. he farking collapsed on the field 14 minutes later due to exacerbated brain trauma. incredibly poor medical care to the point of outright negligence. how is this even remotely OK?
 
2014-07-15 02:21:34 PM  
It was just that boring.

//kidding...
 
2014-07-15 02:27:48 PM  
Should have been a red card.
 
2014-07-15 02:29:58 PM  
FIFA clearly needs to develop a concussion protocol that doesn't provide incentive to keep concussed players in the game.
 
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2014-07-15 02:33:02 PM  
DonWrite called it. Was sure the guy was out after that blow to the head. I was surprised he stayed in but damn.
 
2014-07-15 02:34:53 PM  
Give the teams extra subs, subject to the referee's discretion, to allow teams to sub off players in case of a head injury.

What happened to Twellman shouldn't happen again.

/revs fan
 
2014-07-15 02:41:30 PM  
 
2014-07-15 02:42:17 PM  

dholway: I might prefer the concussion to this:
http://www.insideworldsoccer.com/2014/01/alexis-ruano-broken-veins-t es ticle-getafe-barcelona.html


Oof. Or at least the concussion first so you don't remember...that.
 
2014-07-15 03:08:35 PM  
The problem with concussion is that its even easier to fake. If Fifa implements additional substitutions for head injuries then expect to see a lot of wobbly footed defenders when a team is losing.

I agree with the poster upthread - more subs is about the only way to handle it.

Even then - how do you accurately assess a head injury quickly on the sidelines of the World Cup?

Looking at this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died _ while_playing it looks like heart attacks are far more likely to kill you on the pitch.

The best thing I took away from that read was there is a Peruvian club called Deportivo Wanka and its fans are known as Los Wankeros.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportivo_Wanka

Fantastic
 
2014-07-15 03:12:47 PM  
you got knocked the fark out.
 
2014-07-15 03:29:52 PM  

balfourk: Give each team a 4th substitute to use only in case of an injury or during extra time during major tournaments.

Simple and clean way for FIFA to show the world that they do care about the health of their paychecks players and take one small step towards the modern age.


Then players would fake concussions.  Even with an impartial medical staff, you can fake enough of the symptoms to get the extra substitution.  There needs to be something in place that both protects the player and prevents abuse.
 
2014-07-15 03:32:33 PM  

foo monkey: balfourk: Give each team a 4th substitute to use only in case of an injury or during extra time during major tournaments.

Simple and clean way for FIFA to show the world that they do care about the health of their paychecks players and take one small step towards the modern age.

Then players would fake concussions.  Even with an impartial medical staff, you can fake enough of the symptoms to get the extra substitution.  There needs to be something in place that both protects the player and prevents abuse.


How about a forfeit if the player is found to have been faking a concussion? A 3-0 loss would stamp that right out.
 
2014-07-15 03:37:16 PM  

ArkAngel: He's out!


I see what you did there!
37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-15 03:49:25 PM  
I've read that a concussion takes at least 7-8 minutes to properly diagnose. This is how this needs to be taken care of: in the event of a head injury with possible concussion, the player is to be properly and thoroughly evaluated by a neutral (meaning not working for either team) medical team. Since 7-8 minutes is too long to stop the game, play is immediately resumed once the injured player is removed from the pitch. The team with the injured player is to be allowed a temporary substitution to replace the player. If the injured player is deemed fit to play after evaluation, he comes back on and the temporary sub is removed, does not count towards the team's subs for the game, and can be brought back on as a sub later in the game. If the injured player is deemed unfit to continue the temporary sub becomes a permanent sub and does count towards the team's subs.
 
2014-07-15 04:18:08 PM  
They need enforcers.
 
2014-07-15 04:21:35 PM  

bingethinker: What FIFA should really be concerned about is how the incompetent referee almost decided this game.


Except in real life, where Rizzoli had a good game.
 
2014-07-15 04:21:58 PM  

foo monkey: balfourk: Give each team a 4th substitute to use only in case of an injury or during extra time during major tournaments.

Simple and clean way for FIFA to show the world that they do care about the health of their paychecks players and take one small step towards the modern age.

Then players would fake concussions.  Even with an impartial medical staff, you can fake enough of the symptoms to get the extra substitution.  There needs to be something in place that both protects the player and prevents abuse.


What if you allowed a sub for injuries beyond the 3 allowed BUT the injured player is required to sit for the next match if it's in within a certain number of days? The logic is that if the player is truly hurt he's not going to play soon anyway. In addition the sub would only be allowed after a neutral doctor deemed the player unfit to return. Between this guy passing out on the field, Neymar's broken back, and that Argentine player getting de-cleated by the goalie seems like some more progressive substitution and player protection rules are badly needed.
 
2014-07-15 04:56:28 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: foo monkey: balfourk: Give each team a 4th substitute to use only in case of an injury or during extra time during major tournaments.

Simple and clean way for FIFA to show the world that they do care about the health of their paychecks players and take one small step towards the modern age.

Then players would fake concussions.  Even with an impartial medical staff, you can fake enough of the symptoms to get the extra substitution.  There needs to be something in place that both protects the player and prevents abuse.

How about a forfeit if the player is found to have been faking a concussion? A 3-0 loss would stamp that right out.


...which would rewind the problem back to players with obvious concussion symptoms saying they're fine for fear of a forfeit.

It's sort of like rape cases. You want victims coming forward, but you don't want Joanie Faircloths...but combatting Joanie Faircloths makes women afraid to come forward.
 
2014-07-15 05:17:59 PM  
As a high school AD, you'd be way surprised how many more concussions we have in soccer compared to football.  But they are rarely reported whereas every last one in FB seems to be front page news.
 
2014-07-15 05:27:44 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: I've read that a concussion takes at least 7-8 minutes to properly diagnose. This is how this needs to be taken care of: in the event of a head injury with possible concussion, the player is to be properly and thoroughly evaluated by a neutral (meaning not working for either team) medical team. Since 7-8 minutes is too long to stop the game, play is immediately resumed once the injured player is removed from the pitch. The team with the injured player is to be allowed a temporary substitution to replace the player. If the injured player is deemed fit to play after evaluation, he comes back on and the temporary sub is removed, does not count towards the team's subs for the game, and can be brought back on as a sub later in the game. If the injured player is deemed unfit to continue the temporary sub becomes a permanent sub and does count towards the team's subs.


This approach could work. Though, what's to stop a player from faking injury to get a rest while being evaluated?
 
2014-07-15 05:31:40 PM  
My takeaway when it happened and Kramer came back onto the pitch while being obviously concussed was that at least the NFL looked downright progressive compared to FIFA in regards to concussed players playing.

/glad Kramer didn't try to do a header on a goal kick or a corner after that
 
2014-07-15 07:04:29 PM  

rynthetyn: This approach could work. Though, what's to stop a player from faking injury to get a rest while being evaluated?


If the neutral doctor determines the player was faking it, he can inform the governing body for that competition and they could deliver a retroactive punishment of no less than a 1 match ban.
 
2014-07-15 07:25:11 PM  

desertgeek: rynthetyn: This approach could work. Though, what's to stop a player from faking injury to get a rest while being evaluated?

If the neutral doctor determines the player was faking it, he can inform the governing body for that competition and they could deliver a retroactive punishment of no less than a 1 match ban.


Doesn't really prevent it and only barely disincentivizes it. Should be an automatic forfeit for the team.
 
2014-07-15 07:52:32 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: Of course he can't remember much of it. The guy was completely out of it after he got hit in the face.


You're not kidding.  He was so visibly confused and out of it, it was actually kinda scary.  When he walked off, he had a completely blank stare.  I bet if they asked him what country he was in, or what game he was playing, he couldn't answer.  It was scary looking.
 
2014-07-15 08:05:39 PM  
And in transfer news probably no one but me cares about:

Michu might be going to Napoli. Goddammit.
 
2014-07-15 11:52:31 PM  
I thought soccer was for fakers and pansies
 
2014-07-15 11:58:49 PM  

pendy575: I thought soccer was for fakers and pansies


Even if he wanted to fake it, I'm not sure he would have remembered how.

Remember the Snickers commercial where the QB thought he was Batman?

This guy got hit harder.
 
2014-07-16 04:44:19 AM  

desertgeek: rynthetyn: This approach could work. Though, what's to stop a player from faking injury to get a rest while being evaluated?

If the neutral doctor determines the player was faking it, he can inform the governing body for that competition and they could deliver a retroactive punishment of no less than a 1 match ban.


Or, if they do it quickly enough, issue him a red card and send his replacement off the pitch and bar him from returning.
 
2014-07-16 04:53:30 PM  

fo_sho!: The best thing I took away from that read was there is a Peruvian club called Deportivo Wanka and its fans are known as Los Wankeros.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportivo_Wanka

Fantastic


Even better, from the wiki as of this time:

Deportivo Wanka is a Peruvian football club, based in the city of Huancayo in the Peruvian Andes the town is twinned with Arsenal football club in North London, who share the nickname.
 
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