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(Lacrosse Tribune)   If the police come to your apartment to investigate a fireworks complaint, don't brag about fooling them to just any guy. He'll tell the police it was you. But you can refuse to open the door when they come back. They'll just mail you the citation   (lacrossetribune.com) divider line 31
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2014-07-16 12:42:52 AM
Shoots off some fireworks.

Shoots off his mouth.

Shoots his own foot.

[goodgrumpycat]
 
2014-07-16 02:18:31 AM
For those who don't feel like clicking randomly on their survey.

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A La Crosse man who almost got away with shooting off fireworks last week ended up with a ticket after bragging about fooling police backfired.

An officer responded to a fireworks complaint just after 10 p.m. July 6 at 728 Eighth St. where one resident said the fireworks were causing his 60-year-old mother's pacemaker to "skip."

He knocked on the door of apartment 1, and Derik Hoffmann came to the door at apartment 2 to see what was going on. Told the officer was there to tell people to stop lighting fireworks, Hoffmann told him it was people from another building. Hoffmann, 31, went on to say he hated police and wouldn't have answered the door if he knew it was a cop.

The officer drove around the block to investigate, where the other neighbor approached him, saying that after he left Hoffmann bragged "I made that cop look like a dumb___. It was me who was shooting off those fireworks."

The officer returned to speak with Hoffmann, who did not answer the door. The officer then mailed him a citation.
 
2014-07-16 02:38:38 AM

fusillade762: For those who don't feel like clicking randomly on their survey.

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A La Crosse man who almost got away with shooting off fireworks last week ended up with a ticket after bragging about fooling police backfired.

An officer responded to a fireworks complaint just after 10 p.m. July 6 at 728 Eighth St. where one resident said the fireworks were causing his 60-year-old mother's pacemaker to "skip."

He knocked on the door of apartment 1, and Derik Hoffmann came to the door at apartment 2 to see what was going on. Told the officer was there to tell people to stop lighting fireworks, Hoffmann told him it was people from another building. Hoffmann, 31, went on to say he hated police and wouldn't have answered the door if he knew it was a cop.

The officer drove around the block to investigate, where the other neighbor approached him, saying that after he left Hoffmann bragged "I made that cop look like a dumb___. It was me who was shooting off those fireworks."

The officer returned to speak with Hoffmann, who did not answer the door. The officer then mailed him a citation.


Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?
 
2014-07-16 02:43:54 AM

ArcadianRefugee: fusillade762: For those who don't feel like clicking randomly on their survey.

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A La Crosse man who almost got away with shooting off fireworks last week ended up with a ticket after bragging about fooling police backfired.

An officer responded to a fireworks complaint just after 10 p.m. July 6 at 728 Eighth St. where one resident said the fireworks were causing his 60-year-old mother's pacemaker to "skip."

He knocked on the door of apartment 1, and Derik Hoffmann came to the door at apartment 2 to see what was going on. Told the officer was there to tell people to stop lighting fireworks, Hoffmann told him it was people from another building. Hoffmann, 31, went on to say he hated police and wouldn't have answered the door if he knew it was a cop.

The officer drove around the block to investigate, where the other neighbor approached him, saying that after he left Hoffmann bragged "I made that cop look like a dumb___. It was me who was shooting off those fireworks."

The officer returned to speak with Hoffmann, who did not answer the door. The officer then mailed him a citation.

Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?


Not in most jurisdictions.
 
2014-07-16 02:44:24 AM

ArcadianRefugee: fusillade762:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?


I know, right? Why bother with that when you can just make up a 911 call?
 
2014-07-16 04:55:01 AM
ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.
 
2014-07-16 05:01:55 AM

cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.


Yep. But let this be a lesson to you. Don't be an asshole to your neighbors. Because if you are, they will take the first opportunity to screw the fark out of you. This guy was probably an extreme asshole to his neighbors.
 
2014-07-16 07:41:05 AM
CSB:
One early morning around 2am I thought it would be a larf to launch a mortar shell out of my front door. About 2 minutes later, 2 cop cars come come rolling by with the search lights on. They slow down, and then move on. I am thinking "whew, glad they left". Not 1 minute after that, *4* farking cops cars pull up to my house and they all get out of their cars. I am now worried. They did not look happy. However they just shined their flashlights all around the opposite side of the street and walked around a bit before leaving. I was never so relieved.

/Haven't fired fireworks out the front door anymore.
 
2014-07-16 08:58:29 AM

cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.


True, but the thing you gotta remember is that successfully prosecuting the citation isn't his job. Just delivering it. If the guy doesn't know his rights, he'll pay the citation. Most people do. But here's a protip: Cops don't give a good goddam if they are violating legal procedure during the arrest. Trying to get them to let you go because what they are doing is obviously unlawful will not work. They will simply refer you to the judge. And then probably tazer you. If you're lucky.
 
2014-07-16 08:59:21 AM

MythDragon: CSB:
One early morning around 2am I thought it would be a larf to launch a mortar shell out of my front door. About 2 minutes later, 2 cop cars come come rolling by with the search lights on. They slow down, and then move on. I am thinking "whew, glad they left". Not 1 minute after that, *4* farking cops cars pull up to my house and they all get out of their cars. I am now worried. They did not look happy. However they just shined their flashlights all around the opposite side of the street and walked around a bit before leaving. I was never so relieved.

/Haven't fired fireworks out the front door anymore.


That's why I only launch fireworks out of my back door.
 
2014-07-16 09:14:07 AM

cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.


aren't you cute.
 
2014-07-16 09:26:09 AM
A couple buddies of mine left from church one day, and the younger single guy raced around the other friend who was driving his family home.  Well, the married friend was a MI Trooper, who went home, and mailed a speeding ticket to the single guy.  It was the younger guy's first lesson in 'cops are always on duty'.

/the cop buddy is now in MO, but I'm still FB friends with him

cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.


He confessed to a witness.  Hearsay would be a witness stating they heard a third party saying the guy was bragging, not the witness heard the suspect themselves bragging.  He can go ahead and fight it, but a witness can still testify of their first hand knowledge of what the suspect told them.  Not any different than confessing to a cop, since in court, a cop is a witness who heard the suspect talking.
 
2014-07-16 10:21:02 AM
So, they mailed a ticket...  which is not valid service of process unless it's certified with return receipt.

So he can just put it through the paper shredder.

Not sure what the cop thinks he accomplished...
 
2014-07-16 10:24:33 AM

lack of warmth: He confessed to a witness. Hearsay would be a witness stating they heard a third party saying the guy was bragging, not the witness heard the suspect themselves bragging. He can go ahead and fight it, but a witness can still testify of their first hand knowledge of what the suspect told them. Not any different than confessing to a cop, since in court, a cop is a witness who heard the suspect talking.


Allegedly confessed to a witness.

Sounds like this guy doesn't get along with his neighbors.
 
2014-07-16 10:41:02 AM

lack of warmth: He confessed to a witness.


The officer SAYS he confessed to a witness. Unless the neighbor is willing to testify, that's absolutely hearsay. If the neighbor doesn't testify, how do we know for sure there ever was a neighbor in the first place?
 
2014-07-16 11:14:30 AM

lack of warmth: A couple buddies of mine left from church one day, and the younger single guy raced around the other friend who was driving his family home.  Well, the married friend was a MI Trooper, who went home, and mailed a speeding ticket to the single guy.  It was the younger guy's first lesson in 'cops are always on duty'.

/the cop buddy is now in MO, but I'm still FB friends with him

cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.

He confessed to a witness.  Hearsay would be a witness stating they heard a third party saying the guy was bragging, not the witness heard the suspect themselves bragging.  He can go ahead and fight it, but a witness can still testify of their first hand knowledge of what the suspect told them.  Not any different than confessing to a cop, since in court, a cop is a witness who heard the suspect talking.


thats wrong. It is hearsay, but it's inculpatory. Also BS, but still. Hearsay "heard him say"
 
2014-07-16 11:16:11 AM
Man these FPA s crack me up. Surprised yall aint already in jail.

DarkVader: So, they mailed a ticket...  which is not valid service of process unless it's certified with return receipt.

So he can just put it through the paper shredder.

Not sure what the cop thinks he accomplished...


Go ahead with that plan, buddy. see what it gets you. Research what the courts actually say about mail service.
 
2014-07-16 12:06:39 PM

Geoff Peterson: Man these FPA s crack me up. Surprised yall aint already in jail.

DarkVader: So, they mailed a ticket...  which is not valid service of process unless it's certified with return receipt.

So he can just put it through the paper shredder.

Not sure what the cop thinks he accomplished...

Go ahead with that plan, buddy. see what it gets you. Research what the courts actually say about mail service.


It's not valid where I am.

I also know it's not valid in Arizona.

Let's check Wisconsin, where it is...

http://www.serve-now.com/resources/process-serving-laws/wisconsin

Nope.  It can be valid combined with publication, but it's not valid on its own.

Ignore it, they're not going to bother with publication because there's not a chance in hell they're going to pay for that for a fireworks ticket.  You might want to keep an eye on the local paper of record just in case.

It might go to court, might not.  If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard.

There's a reason cops make you sign a traffic ticket or arrest you - with no signature and no person, there's no proof the cop didn't make it up.  The cop could sit in his car all day, look up random licenses, and write tickets.
 
2014-07-16 12:55:28 PM

DarkVader: Geoff Peterson: Man these FPA s crack me up. Surprised yall aint already in jail.

DarkVader: So, they mailed a ticket...  which is not valid service of process unless it's certified with return receipt.

So he can just put it through the paper shredder.

Not sure what the cop thinks he accomplished...

Go ahead with that plan, buddy. see what it gets you. Research what the courts actually say about mail service.

It's not valid where I am.

I also know it's not valid in Arizona.

Let's check Wisconsin, where it is...

http://www.serve-now.com/resources/process-serving-laws/wisconsin

Nope.  It can be valid combined with publication, but it's not valid on its own.

Ignore it, they're not going to bother with publication because there's not a chance in hell they're going to pay for that for a fireworks ticket.  You might want to keep an eye on the local paper of record just in case.

It might go to court, might not.  If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard.

There's a reason cops make you sign a traffic ticket or arrest you - with no signature and no person, there's no proof the cop didn't make it up.  The cop could sit in his car all day, look up random licenses, and write tickets.


Isn't Geoff Peterson cute?
 
2014-07-16 01:11:00 PM
Can't see the article.
 
2014-07-16 01:25:05 PM

DarkVader: Geoff Peterson: Man these FPA s crack me up. Surprised yall aint already in jail.

DarkVader: So, they mailed a ticket...  which is not valid service of process unless it's certified with return receipt.

So he can just put it through the paper shredder.

Not sure what the cop thinks he accomplished...

Go ahead with that plan, buddy. see what it gets you. Research what the courts actually say about mail service.

It's not valid where I am.

I also know it's not valid in Arizona.

Let's check Wisconsin, where it is...

http://www.serve-now.com/resources/process-serving-laws/wisconsin

Nope.  It can be valid combined with publication, but it's not valid on its own.

Ignore it, they're not going to bother with publication because there's not a chance in hell they're going to pay for that for a fireworks ticket.  You might want to keep an eye on the local paper of record just in case.

It might go to court, might not.  If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard.

There's a reason cops make you sign a traffic ticket or arrest you - with no signature and no person, there's no proof the cop didn't make it up.  The cop could sit in his car all day, look up random licenses, and write tickets.


If they tossed the complaint on the police blotter that is technically publication. But hey, keep trying to skirt the rules and see how long you can stay out of jail.
 
2014-07-16 01:25:40 PM

txchad: Can't see the article.


Quoted at the top of the thread.
 
2014-07-16 01:29:25 PM
"said the fireworks were causing his 60-year-old mother's pacemaker to "skip." "


Yea....that's how they work.
 
2014-07-16 02:06:33 PM

gregory311: Isn't Geoff Peterson cute?


try it, genius, go ahead.

DarkVader: It might go to court, might not. If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard


You watch too much TV neither of you have any idea what you're talking about. If you want to go ahead and cite civil procedure rules to justify actions in a criminal action, it isnt the cop who's a tard.
 
2014-07-16 03:17:08 PM

Geoff Peterson: gregory311: Isn't Geoff Peterson cute?

try it, genius, go ahead.

DarkVader: It might go to court, might not. If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard

You watch too much TV neither of you have any idea what you're talking about. If you want to go ahead and cite civil procedure rules to justify actions in a criminal action, it isnt the cop who's a tard.


You talk too much shiat on the internet.
 
2014-07-16 03:20:37 PM

gregory311: Geoff Peterson: gregory311: Isn't Geoff Peterson cute?

try it, genius, go ahead.

DarkVader: It might go to court, might not. If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard

You watch too much TV neither of you have any idea what you're talking about. If you want to go ahead and cite civil procedure rules to justify actions in a criminal action, it isnt the cop who's a tard.

You talk too much shiat on the internet.


If you consider truth and facts shiat. No problem.
 
2014-07-16 04:20:56 PM

untaken_name: cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.

True, but the thing you gotta remember is that successfully prosecuting the citation isn't his job. Just delivering it. If the guy doesn't know his rights, he'll pay the citation. Most people do. But here's a protip: Cops don't give a good goddam if they are violating legal procedure during the arrest. Trying to get them to let you go because what they are doing is obviously unlawful will not work. They will simply refer you to the judge. And then probably tazer you. If you're lucky.


The biggest mistake people in their twenties and thirties make, and I made it myself, is not having a lawyer. I don't mean someone you know casually, but someone you do regular business with. Even if that means spending $200 to shoot the breeze with them for an hour and establish a legal relationship.

I have a letter from my lawyer where has he has advised me not to speak to law enforcement without consulting with him first, and to never consent to any searches. On the very rare occasions where I have dealt with police, I don't try to be a hero by imitating Johnny Cochran and asserting my super-awesome Constitutional rights, which everyone knows is like Kryptonite to cops. I just show the cop the folded up letter I keep in my wallet, and politely tell them I'm following what my lawyer told me to do. I tell them they can keep the letter to attach to their report, since I had 500 copies of it printed at Kinko's. At that point they usually leave me alone.
 
2014-07-16 06:16:01 PM

Geoff Peterson: lack of warmth: A couple buddies of mine left from church one day, and the younger single guy raced around the other friend who was driving his family home.  Well, the married friend was a MI Trooper, who went home, and mailed a speeding ticket to the single guy.  It was the younger guy's first lesson in 'cops are always on duty'.

/the cop buddy is now in MO, but I'm still FB friends with him

cirby: ArcadianRefugee:
Really? The cop mailed someone a citation based solely on one person's statement?

Yeah... that's pretty much the definition of "hearsay evidence," and should be tossed out of pretty much any court in the country.

He confessed to a witness.  Hearsay would be a witness stating they heard a third party saying the guy was bragging, not the witness heard the suspect themselves bragging.  He can go ahead and fight it, but a witness can still testify of their first hand knowledge of what the suspect told them.  Not any different than confessing to a cop, since in court, a cop is a witness who heard the suspect talking.

thats wrong. It is hearsay, but it's inculpatory. Also BS, but still. Hearsay "heard him say"


So, ALL verbal confessions should be thrown out of court by your simple statement.  Brilliant lawyering.
 
2014-07-16 07:26:55 PM

Geoff Peterson: gregory311: Geoff Peterson: gregory311: Isn't Geoff Peterson cute?

try it, genius, go ahead.

DarkVader: It might go to court, might not. If it does, there's no signature on the ticket, judge sees that and tosses it because cop is a tard

You watch too much TV neither of you have any idea what you're talking about. If you want to go ahead and cite civil procedure rules to justify actions in a criminal action, it isnt the cop who's a tard.

You talk too much shiat on the internet.

If you consider truth and facts shiat. No problem.


Yes, because you know the laws of every jurisdiction in the country.
 
2014-07-16 07:42:24 PM

lack of warmth: So, ALL verbal confessions should be thrown out of court by your simple statement. Brilliant lawyering.


Wait, you're asserting that we should just believe every police officer who says someone told him something? If the neighbor doesn't testify, what evidence do you have that said neighbor even exists?
 
2014-07-17 12:06:09 PM

lack of warmth: So, ALL verbal confessions should be thrown out of court by your simple statement. Brilliant lawyering.


wow. you dont know what I'm saying. shocking. Why dont you look up the meaning of the word "inculpatory"?

damn people are stupid.
 
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