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2014-07-15 10:48:41 PM  
??? TFA didn't seem to be running with conspiracy theories...

The Wikipedia article on TWA 800 is a pretty interesting read on the investigation.
 
2014-07-15 11:43:25 PM  
Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?
 
2014-07-15 11:45:00 PM  
They REALLY want to keep milking this story, don't they?
 
ecl
2014-07-15 11:46:01 PM  

fusillade762: They REALLY want to keep milking this story, don't they?


They're waiting for it to takeoff.
 
2014-07-15 11:48:22 PM  
Screws fall out all the time, the world is an imperfect place.
 
2014-07-15 11:53:02 PM  

strangeluck: Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?


Pretty much.

Here's a summary:

1. The FBI interviewed at least 755 witnesses.
 ...which isn't surprising, because the explosion was witnessed by hundreds of people, since the fireball was visible over a wide area of the East Coast.

2. America was in a high state of alert when TWA 800 crashed.
A series of terrorism-related events in the years, months and weeks before the flight went down, and even one incident just days afterward, led many to suspect terrorism was to blame.

 ...well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? The article mentions every single major event prior to TWA 800, including some that didn't occur over US soil (Lockerbie, Khobar Towers) and one which happened afterwards (Atlanta Olympic bombing), and at least two (Oklahoma City and Atlanta) that had known suspects.

3. Moammar Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were suspects.
...and ultimately dismissed because no link was ever proven.

4. It took close to a year, but all 230 victims were eventually recovered.
...when bodies are blown to tiny pieces and covered with 130 feet of water, it takes time to recover them all. This is not mysterious.

5. The NTSB said a spark in a fuel tank led to the explosion...While they offered their best theory on where the spark came from, they never found a definitive answer.
...because there is no definitive way to prove where a spark comes from. However, subsequent examinations of other Boeing airplanes showed significant wear on the electrical wiring harnesses that ran through the central fuel tanks and a system-wide maintenance breakdown that would lead to the type of explosion the NTSB theorized had brought down the doomed aircraft.

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!
 
2014-07-15 11:54:06 PM  
Maybe there was a mid-air collision between TWA800 and MH370 after MH370 got caught in that black hole and went back in time,
 
2014-07-15 11:54:46 PM  
CNN found out there's more than one plane crash in the history of mankind?

Actually, wake me when they get to Sen. Wellstone's...might be interesting.
 
2014-07-15 11:56:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: strangeluck: Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?

Pretty much.

Here's a summary:

1. The FBI interviewed at least 755 witnesses.
 ...which isn't surprising, because the explosion was witnessed by hundreds of people, since the fireball was visible over a wide area of the East Coast.

2. America was in a high state of alert when TWA 800 crashed.
A series of terrorism-related events in the years, months and weeks before the flight went down, and even one incident just days afterward, led many to suspect terrorism was to blame.
 ...well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? The article mentions every single major event prior to TWA 800, including some that didn't occur over US soil (Lockerbie, Khobar Towers) and one which happened afterwards (Atlanta Olympic bombing), and at least two (Oklahoma City and Atlanta) that had known suspects.

3. Moammar Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were suspects.
...and ultimately dismissed because no link was ever proven.

4. It took close to a year, but all 230 victims were eventually recovered.
...when bodies are blown to tiny pieces and covered with 130 feet of water, it takes time to recover them all. This is not mysterious.

5. The NTSB said a spark in a fuel tank led to the explosion...While they offered their best theory on where the spark came from, they never found a definitive answer.
...because there is no definitive way to prove where a spark comes from. However, subsequent examinations of other Boeing airplanes showed significant wear on the electrical wiring harnesses that ran through the central fuel tanks and a system-wide maintenance breakdown that would lead to the type of explosion the NTSB theorized had brought down the doomed aircraft.

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!


And just where was Obama on the night in question? People are asking questions.
 
ecl
2014-07-15 11:59:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Gyrfalcon: strangeluck: Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?

Pretty much.

Here's a summary:

1. The FBI interviewed at least 755 witnesses.
 ...which isn't surprising, because the explosion was witnessed by hundreds of people, since the fireball was visible over a wide area of the East Coast.

2. America was in a high state of alert when TWA 800 crashed.
A series of terrorism-related events in the years, months and weeks before the flight went down, and even one incident just days afterward, led many to suspect terrorism was to blame.
 ...well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? The article mentions every single major event prior to TWA 800, including some that didn't occur over US soil (Lockerbie, Khobar Towers) and one which happened afterwards (Atlanta Olympic bombing), and at least two (Oklahoma City and Atlanta) that had known suspects.

3. Moammar Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were suspects.
...and ultimately dismissed because no link was ever proven.

4. It took close to a year, but all 230 victims were eventually recovered.
...when bodies are blown to tiny pieces and covered with 130 feet of water, it takes time to recover them all. This is not mysterious.

5. The NTSB said a spark in a fuel tank led to the explosion...While they offered their best theory on where the spark came from, they never found a definitive answer.
...because there is no definitive way to prove where a spark comes from. However, subsequent examinations of other Boeing airplanes showed significant wear on the electrical wiring harnesses that ran through the central fuel tanks and a system-wide maintenance breakdown that would lead to the type of explosion the NTSB theorized had brought down the doomed aircraft.

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!

And just where was Obama on the night in question? People are asking questions.


Kenya.  Perfecting his time machine.
 
2014-07-16 12:01:37 AM  
Ah yes, the nineties. A red-nosed Bill Clinton was president, and a conceptual alternative band named the Smashing Pumpkins had just released their third album, Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness. I remember. I remember...

i229.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-16 12:05:51 AM  
I remember this. The claim was that the missile came from a navy ship in Long Island Sound (it was too high up for an RPG or even a Stinger). I knew that was impossible because of the way that the ammunition tracking systems work. You can't even lose track of a single bullet without a JAG investigation. It would take a coverup of massive proportions to hide the fact that an entire missile was missing. I mean, every single crew member would know that a missile had been fired at the same time as the plane went down. The tender or facility where you have to routinely turn over missiles for routine maintenance would have to falsify paperwork saying that you turned it over to them. The actual IMA that actually did the maintenance would have to falsify paperwork and so on.

That's just not going to happen. That's not just a career killer but it's also a trip to Leavenworth for a several years.
 
2014-07-16 12:08:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: strangeluck: Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?

Pretty much.

Here's a summary:

1. The FBI interviewed at least 755 witnesses.
 ...which isn't surprising, because the explosion was witnessed by hundreds of people, since the fireball was visible over a wide area of the East Coast.

2. America was in a high state of alert when TWA 800 crashed.
A series of terrorism-related events in the years, months and weeks before the flight went down, and even one incident just days afterward, led many to suspect terrorism was to blame.
 ...well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? The article mentions every single major event prior to TWA 800, including some that didn't occur over US soil (Lockerbie, Khobar Towers) and one which happened afterwards (Atlanta Olympic bombing), and at least two (Oklahoma City and Atlanta) that had known suspects.

3. Moammar Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were suspects.
...and ultimately dismissed because no link was ever proven.

4. It took close to a year, but all 230 victims were eventually recovered.
...when bodies are blown to tiny pieces and covered with 130 feet of water, it takes time to recover them all. This is not mysterious.

5. The NTSB said a spark in a fuel tank led to the explosion...While they offered their best theory on where the spark came from, they never found a definitive answer.
...because there is no definitive way to prove where a spark comes from. However, subsequent examinations of other Boeing airplanes showed significant wear on the electrical wiring harnesses that ran through the central fuel tanks and a system-wide maintenance breakdown that would lead to the type of explosion the NTSB theorized had brought down the doomed aircraft.

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!


You skipped this part:

"...hundreds describe what they thought was either a flare or fireworks heading up toward the plane before it exploded. A few witnesses even used the words "missile" or "rocket."

But don't feel bad about leaving that part out, so did the NTSB
 
2014-07-16 12:11:34 AM  

tinyarena: Gyrfalcon: strangeluck: Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?

Pretty much.

Here's a summary:

1. The FBI interviewed at least 755 witnesses.
 ...which isn't surprising, because the explosion was witnessed by hundreds of people, since the fireball was visible over a wide area of the East Coast.

2. America was in a high state of alert when TWA 800 crashed.
A series of terrorism-related events in the years, months and weeks before the flight went down, and even one incident just days afterward, led many to suspect terrorism was to blame.
 ...well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? The article mentions every single major event prior to TWA 800, including some that didn't occur over US soil (Lockerbie, Khobar Towers) and one which happened afterwards (Atlanta Olympic bombing), and at least two (Oklahoma City and Atlanta) that had known suspects.

3. Moammar Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were suspects.
...and ultimately dismissed because no link was ever proven.

4. It took close to a year, but all 230 victims were eventually recovered.
...when bodies are blown to tiny pieces and covered with 130 feet of water, it takes time to recover them all. This is not mysterious.

5. The NTSB said a spark in a fuel tank led to the explosion...While they offered their best theory on where the spark came from, they never found a definitive answer.
...because there is no definitive way to prove where a spark comes from. However, subsequent examinations of other Boeing airplanes showed significant wear on the electrical wiring harnesses that ran through the central fuel tanks and a system-wide maintenance breakdown that would lead to the type of explosion the NTSB theorized had brought down the doomed aircraft.

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!

You skipped this part:

"...hundreds describe what they thought was either a flare or fireworks heading up toward the plane before it exploded. A few witnesses even use ...


Wouldn't be unheard of 2 weeks after the 4th. My idiot neighbors are still setting off rockets tonight.
 
2014-07-16 12:15:17 AM  
five surprising things you probably didn't know about the investigation

[inigomontoya]

That noted, this wasn't conspiracy mongering by CNN just [oldnewsissoexciting].
 
2014-07-16 12:31:06 AM  

quatchi: five surprising things you probably didn't know about the investigation

[inigomontoya]

That noted, this wasn't conspiracy mongering by CNN just [oldnewsissoexciting].


I only will accept facts that make me feel secure and safe.
 
2014-07-16 12:38:50 AM  

tinyarena: You skipped this part:

"...hundreds describe what they thought was either a flare or fireworks heading up toward the plane before it exploded. A few witnesses even used the words "missile" or "rocket."

But don't feel bad about leaving that part out, so did the NTSB


well case closed then.
 
2014-07-16 12:52:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: strangeluck: Should I be wearing my tinfoil hat before reading TFA?

Pretty much.

Here's a summary:

1. The FBI interviewed at least 755 witnesses.
 ...which isn't surprising, because the explosion was witnessed by hundreds of people, since the fireball was visible over a wide area of the East Coast.

2. America was in a high state of alert when TWA 800 crashed.
A series of terrorism-related events in the years, months and weeks before the flight went down, and even one incident just days afterward, led many to suspect terrorism was to blame.
 ...well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? The article mentions every single major event prior to TWA 800, including some that didn't occur over US soil (Lockerbie, Khobar Towers) and one which happened afterwards (Atlanta Olympic bombing), and at least two (Oklahoma City and Atlanta) that had known suspects.

3. Moammar Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were suspects.
...and ultimately dismissed because no link was ever proven.

4. It took close to a year, but all 230 victims were eventually recovered.
...when bodies are blown to tiny pieces and covered with 130 feet of water, it takes time to recover them all. This is not mysterious.

5. The NTSB said a spark in a fuel tank led to the explosion...While they offered their best theory on where the spark came from, they never found a definitive answer.
...because there is no definitive way to prove where a spark comes from. However, subsequent examinations of other Boeing airplanes showed significant wear on the electrical wiring harnesses that ran through the central fuel tanks and a system-wide maintenance breakdown that would lead to the type of explosion the NTSB theorized had brought down the doomed aircraft.

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!


I respect you and your comments on this website, but saying that Popular Mechanics magazine "did anything" against 9/11 investigators doesn't ring true with me.  I can put a lot of holes through that article, especially in print.  And I can see a lot of holes here where the FBI and NTSB can jump the hoop.

Seriously, why did the FBI sign off on it, and then it took a lot of time till the NTSB could sign off on it?
 
2014-07-16 01:13:40 AM  
I was trained to fire Stingers.

For a fast attack aircraft, you have about 3 seconds to engage, and fire.

A big ol' lumbering transport, if you can lock on it, fire.

Not that I believe that this happened, but the explosion happened near the APU, which would have a higher heat signature then the bypass engines keeping the cylindrical tube of death aloft.
 
2014-07-16 01:23:44 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Gyrfalcon: .....

There just isn't any mystery or conspiracy here. BUT LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ONE ANYWAY!

And just where was Obama on the night in question? People are asking questions.


I'll bet he found out about this watching the news when everyone else did.
 
2014-07-16 01:31:13 AM  
I've been putting up with articles from SCGNews.com ( Storm Clouds Gathering ) all day long.
All conspiracies all the time.
Now this?
 
2014-07-16 01:39:22 AM  
On July 17, 1996

Really?? 370 goes AWOL and we're still talking about 800?
 
2014-07-16 01:44:44 AM  

ski9600: respect you and your comments on this website, but saying that Popular Mechanics magazine "did anything" against 9/11 investigators doesn't ring true with me.  I can put a lot of holes through that article, especially in print.  And I can see a lot of holes here where the FBI and NTSB can jump the hoop.

Seriously, why did the FBI sign off on it, and then it took a lot of time till the NTSB could sign off on it?


so you're just asking questions
 
2014-07-16 02:05:43 AM  

ski9600: I respect you and your comments on this website, but saying that Popular Mechanics magazine "did anything" against 9/11 investigators doesn't ring true with me. I can put a lot of holes through that article, especially in print. And I can see a lot of holes here where the FBI and NTSB can jump the hoop.

Seriously, why did the FBI sign off on it, and then it took a lot of time till the NTSB could sign off on it?


I appreciate that, so I hope this will answer your question:

The FBI did a CRIMINAL investigation. They interviewed hundreds of witnesses (cf. article mentioning over 700) some of whom appeared days or months after the incident; they did their tests of the wreckage which was not recovered until hours, days or even weeks after the incident, and determined there was no explosive residue; they combed through DOJ and Navy reports to confirm there were no missile firings that night. That took time. Then NTSB took over.

Here are some times for non-mysterious, non-conspiratorial NTSB sign-offs on perfectly normal plane crashes (picked at random off the NTSB site):
Southwest Airlines 812, Incident 4/1/2012, Report Issued 9/24/2013; 17 months
American Airlines 2253, Incident 12/29/2010, Report Issued 06/18/2012; 18 months
East Coast Jets Flt.81, Incident 07/31/2008, Report Issued 03/15/2011; 2 years, 8 months
(Even more than you could ever want here: http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/reports_aviation.html)

It takes a long, long time to run through the millions of rivets, miles of wire, acres of aluminum and reams of documentation to try to figure out why a plane crashed. It's not as simple as looking at a body with a bullet in its head and discovering the victim was really killed with arsenic poisoning like an episode of CSI. Once the FBI was satisfied that there was not a terrorist attack or a deliberate or accidental missile strike, it was going to take NTSB quite some time to dredge up all the parts of the plane, reassemble them, review the maintenance documents, interview anyone who ever touched part of the plane, and develop a theory as to why the plane exploded.

Unless you're under the impression that ALL plane crashes have some kind of nefarious, unstated cause, and the NTSB is just covering up in all cases.
 
2014-07-16 03:17:15 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: On July 17, 1996

Really?? 370 goes AWOL and we're still talking about 800?


this is happening in real time. you might have to adjust your watch.
 
2014-07-16 03:29:07 AM  

Slam1263: I was trained to fire Stingers.

For a fast attack aircraft, you have about 3 seconds to engage, and fire.

A big ol' lumbering transport, if you can lock on it, fire.

Not that I believe that this happened, but the explosion happened near the APU, which would have a higher heat signature then the bypass engines keeping the cylindrical tube of death aloft.


~16K feet altitude is outside of Stinger range anyway. It's a non-starter no matter how slow it was going. It would have taken a SAM to hit it and, as I said above, you can't hide that without the collusion of at least 1,000 people (not including the FBI crawling up peoples asses).
 
2014-07-16 06:20:03 AM  

fusillade762: They REALLY want to keep milking this story, don't they?


CNN just has a plane fetish at this point, I think.
 
2014-07-16 06:24:17 AM  
Also, fark James Kallstrom right in the ass for using the TWA800 tragedy as an excuse to advocate banning encryption.
 
2014-07-16 07:54:12 AM  
Typical government cover-up.
 
2014-07-16 10:03:59 AM  
[STUPID]  It's not news, it's the Conspiracy News Network

LMAO... subby, I REALLY see what you did there.
/wink-wink, nudge-nudge
 
2014-07-16 11:04:45 AM  
when a plane crashes, the NTSB steps in.

but, when the FBI shows up in force and starts telling people the plane was blown up by an outside force, people tune out the rest.

listen to the professionals, not some two bit agency that thinks they know what theyre doing.

/wut?
 
2014-07-16 04:23:04 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Slam1263: I was trained to fire Stingers.

For a fast attack aircraft, you have about 3 seconds to engage, and fire.

A big ol' lumbering transport, if you can lock on it, fire.

Not that I believe that this happened, but the explosion happened near the APU, which would have a higher heat signature then the bypass engines keeping the cylindrical tube of death aloft.

~16K feet altitude is outside of Stinger range anyway. It's a non-starter no matter how slow it was going. It would have taken a SAM to hit it and, as I said above, you can't hide that without the collusion of at least 1,000 people (not including the FBI crawling up peoples asses).


Those ranges are only for high performance aircraft.

And I did say that I didn't believe this is what happened.
 
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