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(Slate)   "With a few quick fixes and some terraforming, we could make the moon habitable, and it would be just like Florida." Does that mean Fark would get a Moon tag?   (slate.com) divider line 94
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2014-07-15 08:51:01 AM
Of course for far less money, the Russians could turn Florida into something that looks just like the moon.
 
2014-07-15 08:57:14 AM
No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.
 
2014-07-15 09:04:53 AM

nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.


Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.
 
2014-07-15 09:19:57 AM
Marcus Aurelius:
Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

Mars has enough of an atmosphere to perhaps work with.  Actually, Venus would be the better candidate but you'd need to engineer some pretty robust critters to survive and change the composition of the atmosphere.  And the whole barely spinning thing would certainly be an issue.  The moon is just a non starter for any non-bubbled life.
 
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2014-07-15 09:22:38 AM
M-O-O-N, that spells Florida.
 
2014-07-15 09:42:00 AM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-15 09:47:05 AM
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100310093208/en.futurama/images/c /c1/Luna_park.jpgAlready been done
 
2014-07-15 09:47:36 AM
As long as the terraforming includes blackjack and hookers, I'm all for it.
 
2014-07-15 09:50:15 AM

UberDave: As long as the terraforming includes blackjack and hookers, I'm all for it.


3 breasted hookers?

/Cohagen! Give deez peepul AYUH!
 
2014-07-15 09:51:54 AM

Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.


In fact, it's cold as Hell.
 
2014-07-15 09:56:35 AM
Isn't lunar regolith as carcinogenic as asbestos?

 Isn't just a better idea just to make sure we are taking good care of the planet we are on?
 
2014-07-15 09:57:12 AM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.


But it has chicks with 3 tits.
 
2014-07-15 10:01:53 AM

nekom: Mars has enough of an atmosphere to perhaps work with.


more importantly, mars has a shiatload of nitrate compounds in its soil to process to create a nitrogen heavy atmosphere required for open air breathing. then it's a matter of bulk sabatier reaction/water electrolysis to create water and methane fuel
 
2014-07-15 10:05:33 AM
I want what that guy's smoking.
 
2014-07-15 10:06:39 AM
My understanding is that the Moon has no atmosphere because its gravity is insufficient to maintain one. I don't see how that's a solvable problem with our current technology.

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.


And it's not the kind of place to raise your kids.
 
2014-07-15 10:06:56 AM

EvilEgg: Isn't just a better idea just to make sure we are taking good care of the planet we are on?


img.fark.net

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-07-15 10:07:34 AM

max_pooper: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.

But it has chicks with 3 tits.


Midget hookers with submachine guns are more my thing.
 
2014-07-15 10:12:39 AM

We're on it!

37.media.tumblr.com

 
2014-07-15 10:13:05 AM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.


The fark are you talking about? we learned this week that Mars is exactly the same temperature as Earth.
 
2014-07-15 10:15:47 AM
The Russians think the first stage of their project will cost about $800 million,

If it cost them $50B to host the Olympics, I think it would cost them a little more than $800M to build a moon base...
 
2014-07-15 10:17:02 AM
After the moon is terraformed to be like Florida, can we then hit the Florida we have with a Genesis device?
 
2014-07-15 10:18:05 AM
www.one-quest.com
 
2014-07-15 10:18:11 AM
Then we can carve "CHA-" into Florida with our giant moon laser.
 
2014-07-15 10:21:41 AM
FTFA: "All told, we'll need about 100 comets the size of Halley's..."

You mean that big farking mountain of ice and rock? The one that's 60 km in diameter, and that with an error of one digit out in about the 12th decimal place when starting its trajectory change to hit the moon might hit Earth instead? You know, the one that if it hit Earth would kill all life down to single-celled algae? And you want to try it 100 times?

You're out of your farking mind.
 
2014-07-15 10:23:56 AM

Cybernetic: My understanding is that the Moon has no atmosphere because its gravity is insufficient to maintain one. I don't see how that's a solvable problem with our current technology.



does anybody even read the articles

in this case the author of the piece not only directly addresses that point, he discusses it in some detail

short version, yeah it does have enough gravity
 
2014-07-15 10:24:09 AM

Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.


Still a better candidate than the Moon.
 
2014-07-15 10:28:15 AM

Stone Meadow: FTFA: "All told, we'll need about 100 comets the size of Halley's..."

You mean that big farking mountain of ice and rock? The one that's 60 km in diameter, and that with an error of one digit out in about the 12th decimal place when starting its trajectory change to hit the moon might hit Earth instead? You know, the one that if it hit Earth would kill all life down to single-celled algae? And you want to try it 100 times?

You're out of your farking mind.


usually they do more than one burn with spacecraft, i dunno why they wouldn't be able to with these...
it's certainly not practical with today's tech! but in 100 years we went from horses and steamships to landing robots on mars, i don't see why 100 years from now it wouldn't at least be within the realm of possibility, it's certainly interesting to consider.
 
2014-07-15 10:31:10 AM

spesimen: Cybernetic: My understanding is that the Moon has no atmosphere because its gravity is insufficient to maintain one. I don't see how that's a solvable problem with our current technology.


does anybody even read the articles

in this case the author of the piece not only directly addresses that point, he discusses it in some detail

short version, yeah it does have enough gravity


the author doesn't address it at all, except to handwave it away as "it'll last for tens of thousands of years" without any justification

there's multiple vectors of atmosphere loss that need to be covered, from how ridiculously low the escape velocity is, the loss of ionized gasses via the solar wind's magnetic field, and even real simple questions like how to create a breatheably pressurized atmosphere without gravity

even if you imagine an infinite series of perfectly composed comets for a breathable atmosphere, it doesn't magically make physics disappear
 
2014-07-15 10:36:53 AM
I like where their head is at, but we need to work a little harder at getting the Earth's own climate under control before we start something as ambitious as terraforming something else.
 
2014-07-15 10:38:20 AM
What a bunch of lunatics.
 
2014-07-15 10:40:25 AM

Flab: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.

The fark are you talking about? we learned this week that Mars is exactly the same temperature as Earth.


But there's no coal mines there. How are we going to provide power to the settlements? Rainbows and unicorn farts?
 
2014-07-15 10:40:33 AM

sprawl15: spesimen: Cybernetic: My understanding is that the Moon has no atmosphere because its gravity is insufficient to maintain one. I don't see how that's a solvable problem with our current technology.


does anybody even read the articles

in this case the author of the piece not only directly addresses that point, he discusses it in some detail

short version, yeah it does have enough gravity

the author doesn't address it at all, except to handwave it away as "it'll last for tens of thousands of years" without any justification

there's multiple vectors of atmosphere loss that need to be covered, from how ridiculously low the escape velocity is, the loss of ionized gasses via the solar wind's magnetic field, and even real simple questions like how to create a breatheably pressurized atmosphere without gravity

even if you imagine an infinite series of perfectly composed comets for a breathable atmosphere, it doesn't magically make physics disappear


The moon has gravity.
 
2014-07-15 10:40:52 AM

Doc Daneeka: I like where their head is at, but we need to work a little harder at getting the Earth's own climate under control before we start something as ambitious as terraforming something else.


whynotboth.jpg
 
2014-07-15 10:41:48 AM

Russ1642: The moon has gravity.


thanks for the news flash
 
2014-07-15 10:43:53 AM
How about on habitizing the moon.  I have read TMHM and I am afraid of what going to the moon will do to the english language.  We cannot allow that.
 
2014-07-15 10:47:58 AM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.


Certainly no place to raise your kids.
 
2014-07-15 10:51:13 AM
What about werewolves?  Has anybody thought of what a problem they would be?
 
2014-07-15 10:53:17 AM

spesimen: Stone Meadow: FTFA: "All told, we'll need about 100 comets the size of Halley's..."

You mean that big farking mountain of ice and rock? The one that's 60 km in diameter, and that with an error of one digit out in about the 12th decimal place when starting its trajectory change to hit the moon might hit Earth instead? You know, the one that if it hit Earth would kill all life down to single-celled algae? And you want to try it 100 times?

You're out of your farking mind.

usually they do more than one burn with spacecraft, i dunno why they wouldn't be able to with these...
it's certainly not practical with today's tech! but in 100 years we went from horses and steamships to landing robots on mars, i don't see why 100 years from now it wouldn't at least be within the realm of possibility, it's certainly interesting to consider.


Yes they do, certainly, but that misses the point. We -- collectively -- would be entrusting every single human life...all 9 to 12 billion of us, to the decision making prowess of an organization that once famously dismissed the odds of a catastrophic loss of the space shuttle as one in 1 in 105, when in practice they lost two in 135 launches.

The author needs to consider a career change to writer of science fiction.

/oh wait... ;)
 
2014-07-15 10:56:54 AM

dillengest: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.

Certainly no place to raise your kids.


The moon isn't much better. It's a Harsh Mistress.
 
2014-07-15 10:59:42 AM

Russ1642: sprawl15: spesimen: Cybernetic: My understanding is that the Moon has no atmosphere because its gravity is insufficient to maintain one. I don't see how that's a solvable problem with our current technology.


does anybody even read the articles

in this case the author of the piece not only directly addresses that point, he discusses it in some detail

short version, yeah it does have enough gravity

the author doesn't address it at all, except to handwave it away as "it'll last for tens of thousands of years" without any justification

there's multiple vectors of atmosphere loss that need to be covered, from how ridiculously low the escape velocity is, the loss of ionized gasses via the solar wind's magnetic field, and even real simple questions like how to create a breatheably pressurized atmosphere without gravity

even if you imagine an infinite series of perfectly composed comets for a breathable atmosphere, it doesn't magically make physics disappear

The moon has gravity.


And oddly enough a very, very, very, *VERY* tenuous atmosphere.
 
2014-07-15 11:04:06 AM

dittybopper: And oddly enough a very, very, very, *VERY* tenuous atmosphere.


with an atmospheric density slightly lower than what you'd get if you opened the airlock on the international space station
 
2014-07-15 11:06:24 AM

EvilEgg: What about werewolves?  Has anybody thought of what a problem they would be?


Duh. You make them live on the crescent side of the moon.
 
2014-07-15 11:06:54 AM
All we need is to send up some 3D printers and some compost and it will sort itself.
 
2014-07-15 11:07:37 AM
This would be cool if it weren't for physics and biology getting in the way and ruining the whole thing.  Without a magnetic shield, the sun would quickly come by and fark up your atmosphere and even if you could get the moon to rotate/tilt, the unsleeping, uncaring earth would constantly counteract that.  Not to mention that the whole thing starts with grabbing comets from the Ort cloud, a place we've never successfully gone.  Sure, Voyagers went through but not to hang out.

So in other words, this is an interesting fiction.
 
2014-07-15 11:09:28 AM
This fits in well with my plan to combine Social Security with NASA.
 
2014-07-15 11:11:31 AM

EvilEgg: What about werewolves?  Has anybody thought of what a problem they would be?


That raises an interesting question: if a werewolf lived on the moon, would he always be in wolf form?
 
2014-07-15 11:11:32 AM
asteroid habitats wayyyy better, just add spin!
 
2014-07-15 11:14:48 AM

nekom: Mars maybe. Venus maybe.


Mars maybe. Venus no. It's one thing to warm up a planet 100 K and add 1 bar of extra pressure; those are somewhat doable. It's another thing entirely to remove 90 bars of atmosphere, most of which is carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide, and then cool the entire planet down by 700 K, especially when solar flux is already 2.6x Earth. Then you get to figure out what to do with the 224-day rotation rate.

Yes, Venus is pretty much hosed.
 
2014-07-15 11:20:47 AM

dillengest: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: nekom: No.  Mars maybe.  Venus maybe.  The moon has no magnetic field, no atmosphere and very little gravity.  You could build some sort of biodome I suppose, but then you run the risk of Pauly Shore showing up.

Mars has no magnetic field, 1/3 of Earth's gravity, a lot less solar energy, and not much atmosphere.  If we're going to terraform, Mars is not the place to start.

In fact, it's cold as Hell.

Certainly no place to raise your kids.


There's no one there to raise them, if you did.
 
2014-07-15 11:23:39 AM
If I had the money, I'd start building on the moon immediately. All indoor living mind you, hydroponics labs, fisheries, etc. Solar and nuclear power primarily.


Each nation picks its top 100 hottest women and sends em up. The entire place is wired for streaming video, and I'll make my money back in a month.
 
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