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(FIFA)   FIFA lets fans decide the World Cup Dream Team in an online poll. Fans respond by voting three Brazilian defenders in   (fifa.com) divider line 42
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2014-07-15 09:42:41 AM  
That's a lot of defenders on one team.
 
2014-07-15 11:16:10 AM  
How is Tim Howard not the GK?
 
2014-07-15 12:17:43 PM  

nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?


Because Manuel Neuer is a much better keeper?
 
2014-07-15 12:22:03 PM  
Where is poll for World Cup Wet Dream Team for all the hot female fans, oh yeah in my pants.
 
2014-07-15 12:24:55 PM  

JorgiX: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Because Manuel Neuer is a much better keeper?


I wouldn't say 'much' but, yeah.
 
2014-07-15 12:31:12 PM  
And not a single player from the Netherlands, the second team in a row to curb stomp the Brazilian defense.
 
2014-07-15 12:33:22 PM  
Any team with three Brazilian defenders could only be a dream, there didn't appear to be any in reality.
 
2014-07-15 12:35:55 PM  
Neuer
Lahm; Hummels; Garay; Rodriguez
Mascherano; Schweinsteiger; James
Robben; Messi; Mueller
 
2014-07-15 12:49:17 PM  
Soccer thread trifecta now in play.
 
2014-07-15 12:52:44 PM  
Ochoa
 
2014-07-15 12:56:33 PM  

insano: And not a single player from the Netherlands, the second team in a row to curb stomp the Brazilian defense.


Robbin will have his chance again in Brazil during the 2016 Olympics, in the diving competition.
 
2014-07-15 02:01:42 PM  
---------------Messi(ARG)------------Van Persie(NED)---------
----------------------------Rodriguez(COL)-------------------------
Muller (GER)------------------------------------------Gotze(GER)
-------------------------------Pogba(FRA)--------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --
Howedes(GER)-----------------------------------Zabaleta(ARG)
-------------Marquez (MEX)-----------Gonzalez(CRC)----------
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---
----------------------------Howard (USA)----------------------------
 
2014-07-15 02:04:24 PM  
Maximum trolling or suicidally depressed Brazilians?
 
2014-07-15 02:08:16 PM  

insano: And not a single player from the Netherlands, the second team in a row to curb stomp the Brazilian defense.


Reality sandwich--Croatia was curb stomping the Brazilian defense, although all the calls went to Brazil in the group stage. (Remember all of Mexico's disallowed goals against Cameroon, keeping Brazil on top via Goal Differential?)

While I picked Van Persie in my WC14 Dream XI, bottom line is "Curb Stomping Brazil's defense" is not exactly bragging rights nowadays.
 
2014-07-15 02:20:12 PM  
To be fair, Thiago Silva had nothing to do with any of the goals Germany scored, and he made the mistake of touching Robben near the penalty area, so that one I can understand.
 
2014-07-15 02:34:10 PM  

nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?


Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?
 
2014-07-15 02:36:54 PM  

nursetim: To be fair, Thiago Silva had nothing to do with any of the goals Germany scored, and he made the mistake of touching Robben near the penalty area, so that one I can understand.


"mistake", he was holding him, and knowing the rules let go outside the penalty box.

It should have been a red card, and a free kick.


Dunno if the referee was trying to do Brazil a favour and did PK and yellow instead (yellow is not in the rule book, that was a red).
 
2014-07-15 02:39:20 PM  

nursetim: To be fair, Thiago Silva had nothing to do with any of the goals Germany scored, and he made the mistake of touching Robben near the penalty area, so that one I can understand.


Also, nothing to do with...

How the fark can you as a defender not have anything to do with goals scored?

Well, apparently the Brazil defence managed that. Not challenging, or being near, the attacker isn't a farking good thing as a defender. Their defence was a free-for-all.
 
2014-07-15 02:44:19 PM  

spawn73: How the fark can you as a defender not have anything to do with goals scored?


He was suspended for the Germany game.
 
2014-07-15 02:50:40 PM  

spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?


I watched most of Germany's games and all of America's games. Based on this cup's performance, Howard put on an amazing feat of goalkeeping despite an incompetent defense. Neuer did an admiral job as goalkeeper with a solid defense to help him out.

I don't follow international soccer, so I can't claim career stats, but I did watch this cup, and Neuer was good, but Howard was unbelievable.
 
2014-07-15 02:53:17 PM  

nmrsnr: spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?

I watched most of Germany's games and all of America's games. Based on this cup's performance, Howard put on an amazing feat of goalkeeping despite an incompetent defense. Neuer did an admiral job as goalkeeper with a solid defense to help him out.

I don't follow international soccer, so I can't claim career stats, but I did watch this cup, and Neuer was good, but Howard was unbelievable.


They were both good.  It's still pronounced Ochoa.
 
2014-07-15 02:57:47 PM  

Wessoman: ---------------Messi(ARG)------------Van Persie(NED)---------
----------------------------Rodriguez(COL)-------------------------
Muller (GER)------------------------------------------Gotze(GER)
-------------------------------Pogba(FRA)--------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --
Howedes(GER)-----------------------------------Zabaleta(ARG)
-------------Marquez (MEX)-----------Gonzalez(CRC)----------
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---
----------------------------Howard (USA)----------------------------


Marquez had a good tournament, but I think if a Mexican player deserves to be included it would have to be Herrera, he had an amazing tournament.
 
2014-07-15 03:22:01 PM  
Rodriguez, Messi, Mascherano, Robben and seven Germans,
Done.
/ Neuer is easily the keeper of the tournament.
 
2014-07-15 03:24:56 PM  

nursetim: To be fair, Thiago Silva had nothing to do with any of the goals Germany scored, and he made the mistake of touching Robben near the penalty area, so that one I can understand.


While Silva was not on the field for the goals, his not being on the field is his fault, so he probably did have something to do with the German goals. And in the 3rd place game that wasn't a dive on Robben's part; that should have been a red card.....
 
2014-07-15 03:29:56 PM  

delathi: JorgiX: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Because Manuel Neuer is a much better keeper?

I wouldn't say 'much' but, yeah.


I would.  He is a MUCH better keeper.
 
2014-07-15 03:36:51 PM  

SigmaAlgebra: Neuer
Lahm; Hummels; Garay; Rodriguez
Mascherano; Schweinsteiger; James
Robben; Messi; Mueller


I can support this lineup.
 
2014-07-15 03:44:05 PM  

A Houston Chronicler: While Silva was not on the field for the goals, his not being on the field is his fault, so he probably did have something to do with the German goals.


Especially when you consider the selfish and stupid manner in which he earned his suspension.

nmrsnr: Neuer was good, but Howard was unbelievable.


There's more to goalkeeping than making a bunch of saves.  Neuer frequently acted as another defender for Germany, clearing away long balls before opposing attackers could get onto them, and was virtually flawless in handling the ball on crosses and set pieces.
 
2014-07-15 04:36:47 PM  

The Muthaship: spawn73: How the fark can you as a defender not have anything to do with goals scored?

He was suspended for the Germany game.


Did he also have a note from his mother? ;)
 
2014-07-15 04:40:46 PM  

nmrsnr: spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?

I watched most of Germany's games and all of America's games. Based on this cup's performance, Howard put on an amazing feat of goalkeeping despite an incompetent defense. Neuer did an admiral job as goalkeeper with a solid defense to help him out.

I don't follow international soccer, so I can't claim career stats, but I did watch this cup, and Neuer was good, but Howard was unbelievable.


Howard saved a lot of goals because USA was under preasure.

The whole German defence was playing 10 meters further up the field based on Neuers excellent perception of the game, and ability to act as a playmaker.

I'm not saying Howard is a bad goal keeper as all, just that he's not on the same planet as Neuer.
 
2014-07-15 05:10:06 PM  
Those Brazilian defenders earned those spots. They could easily have earned the golden boot if they were one player. James only put in 6.
 
2014-07-15 05:10:22 PM  

spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?


spawn73: Howard saved a lot of goals because USA was under preasure.

The whole German defence was playing 10 meters further up the field based on Neuers excellent perception of the game, and ability to act as a playmaker.

I'm not saying Howard is a bad goal keeper as all, just that he's not on the same planet as Neuer.


Nope.

As much love as Neuer gets, and it's well deserved, because Neuer is the most talented GK in the World Cup. But consistently, I consider Tim Howard vastly superior.

Look--Neuer, over the course of 90 minutes in a match, is a machine. He's the best. And like you said, with the German defense playing a high line, and tactically astute, Neuer can actually pass and play the ball, and he can distribute much better than Howard.

That said, Howard doesn't play with a solid backline. Consistently, the US backline has looked ordinary--and Howard keeps in the US in the game. 2009 Confederations Cup until now, the US backline is always beaten, and Timmy keeps the Yanks in the game. EVERY TIME. For the last decade. Neuer can't begin to match the number of saves Tim Howard has made in International appearances.

Furthermore, Tim Howard always maintains his "composure", which is him screaming and freaking out (But getting the job done) at the Defense, which is (usually) too slow to keep pace with European forwards. Thing is, German keepers, including Neuer, panic and break down when the defense is broken down (Which is rare). Neuer took a dump against Ghana because his backline was rattled. Heck, don't let me get the tape of Ter Stegen's meltdown against the USA--When the machine that is the German defense develops holes, German 'keepers consistently struggle.

If I was a big club manager, I would start Neuer, true. But if I had a smaller club (With not the best Backline) or it was going down to penalties, I would put Tim Howard in, all day, any day. Tim Howard is simply a better "Reactionary" keeper, much in the vein of great American keepers like Keller, Walker, or Friedel. Neuer is a great keeper and is far better at distribution, positioning, and reading a match, but I wouldn't trust Neuer playing behind...Say, the backline of the Houston Dynamo. He would get torched.
 
2014-07-15 05:21:40 PM  
This is easy, a 4-3-3:

Neuer (GER)

Blind (NED) -- Gonzalez (CRC) -- Hummels (GER) -- Lahm (GER)

Schweinsteiger (GER) -- Mascherano (ARG)

Rodriguez (COL)

Müller (GER) -- Van Persie (NED) -- Robben (NED)

 
2014-07-15 05:24:34 PM  
No love for Ochoa?  He was phenomenal.
 
2014-07-15 06:39:52 PM  

Wessoman: spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?

spawn73: Howard saved a lot of goals because USA was under preasure.

The whole German defence was playing 10 meters further up the field based on Neuers excellent perception of the game, and ability to act as a playmaker.

I'm not saying Howard is a bad goal keeper as all, just that he's not on the same planet as Neuer.

Nope.

As much love as Neuer gets, and it's well deserved, because Neuer is the most talented GK in the World Cup. But consistently, I consider Tim Howard vastly superior.

Look--Neuer, over the course of 90 minutes in a match, is a machine. He's the best. And like you said, with the German defense playing a high line, and tactically astute, Neuer can actually pass and play the ball, and he can distribute much better than Howard.

That said, Howard doesn't play with a solid backline. Consistently, the US backline has looked ordinary--and Howard keeps in the US in the game. 2009 Confederations Cup until now, the US backline is always beaten, and Timmy keeps the Yanks in the game. EVERY TIME. For the last decade. Neuer can't begin to match the number of saves Tim Howard has made in International appearances.

Furthermore, Tim Howard always maintains his "composure", which is him screaming and freaking out (But getting the job done) at the Defense, which is (usually) too slow to keep pace with European forwards. Thing is, German keepers, including Neuer, panic and break down when the defense is broken down (Which is rare). Neuer took a dump against Ghana because his backline was rattled. Heck, don't let me get the tape of Ter Stegen's meltdown against the USA--When the machine that is the German defense develops holes, German 'keepers consistently struggle.

If I was a big club manager, I would start Neuer, true. But if I had a smaller club (With not the best Backline) or it was going down to penalties, I would put Tim Howard in, all day, any day. ...


Well it's more that Howard makes himself look good. He makes a lot of unnecessary TV saves. He also makes a fair few clangers, drops a lot of crosses and doesn't command his defence all that well at times. He's basically an American Shay Given. A good goalkeeper but nowhere near the best.
 
2014-07-15 08:12:30 PM  
Tim Howard is a good GK for a mid table team like Everton, but Neuer is a different class entirely. There is really no comparison. Neuer when he is done playing will be up there with the all-time greats like Banks, Yashin, Zoff, Schmeichel, and Kahn.
 
2014-07-16 03:05:53 AM  
Wessoman: spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?

spawn73: Howard saved a lot of goals because USA was under preasure.

The whole German defence was playing 10 meters further up the field based on Neuers excellent perception of the game, and ability to act as a playmaker.

I'm not saying Howard is a bad goal keeper as all, just that he's not on the same planet as Neuer.

Nope.

As much love as Neuer gets, and it's well deserved, because Neuer is the most talented GK in the World Cup. But consistently, I consider Tim Howard vastly superior.

Look--Neuer, over the course of 90 minutes in a match, is a machine. He's the best. And like you said, with the German defense playing a high line, and tactically astute, Neuer can actually pass and play the ball, and he can distribute much better than Howard.

That said, Howard doesn't play with a solid backline. Consistently, the US backline has looked ordinary--and Howard keeps in the US in the game. 2009 Confederations Cup until now, the US backline is always beaten, and Timmy keeps the Yanks in the game. EVERY TIME. For the last decade. Neuer can't begin to match the number of saves Tim Howard has made in International appearances.

Furthermore, Tim Howard always maintains his "composure", which is him screaming and freaking out (But getting the job done) at the Defense, which is (usually) too slow to keep pace with European forwards. Thing is, German keepers, including Neuer, panic and break down when the defense is broken down (Which is rare). Neuer took a dump against Ghana because his backline was rattled. Heck, don't let me get the tape of Ter Stegen's meltdown against the USA--When the machine that is the German defense develops holes, German 'keepers consistently struggle.

If I was a big club manager, I would start Neuer, true. But if I had a smaller club (With not the best Backline) or it was going down to penalties, I would put Tim Howard in, all day, any day. Tim Howard is simply a better "Reactionary" keeper, much in the vein of great American keepers like Keller, Walker, or Friedel. Neuer is a great keeper and is far better at distribution, positioning, and reading a match, but I wouldn't trust Neuer playing behind...Say, the backline of the Houston Dynamo. He would get torched.


I don't recall Neuer breaking down.

But the screaming and "commanding presence" style of goalkeeping was that of Schmeichel from my home country of Denmark. And he was in time arguably the worlds best goalkeeper. It is a good style, and a different one from Neuers.

Not so sure Neuer would get torched playing for Houston Dynamo's. Its kinda a pity we won't get to see that, since it would indeed be an interesting experiment.
 
2014-07-16 03:19:23 AM  
Ridiculous that the best right-back in the world didn't make the list. Once Lahm moved to right-back he was completely dominate, watching his 5'7" small self steal the ball from Hulk over and over again was brilliance, and his tackle on Marcelo was maybe my favorite moment of the tournament. Lahm at right-back is the definition of flawless. '

They also have three center-backs and Marcelo, wtf? Luiz doesn't belong anywhere near this list.
 
2014-07-16 04:39:39 AM  

SigmaAlgebra: Neuer when he is done playing will be up there with the all-time greats like Banks, Yashin, Zoff, Schmeichel, and Kahn.


Absolutely.

Somebody posted this video of Neuer in one of the match threads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqLOTN75x8

My reaction to that video:

scripts.esd101.net

The guy is an absolute freak, whose reading of the game borders on the supernatural. At times in that video he's intercepting the ball in the opposition half. From anyone else that would be suicidal, and I have a lot of admiration for his managers for allowing him to play that way.

Howard did well, but a lot of the saves he made against Belgium were more due to woeful Belgian shooting/finishing than anything else. They kept blasting the ball straight at him.
 
2014-07-16 07:17:14 AM  

spawn73: Wessoman: spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?

spawn73: Howard saved a lot of goals because USA was under preasure.

The whole German defence was playing 10 meters further up the field based on Neuers excellent perception of the game, and ability to act as a playmaker.

I'm not saying Howard is a bad goal keeper as all, just that he's not on the same planet as Neuer.

Nope.

As much love as Neuer gets, and it's well deserved, because Neuer is the most talented GK in the World Cup. But consistently, I consider Tim Howard vastly superior.

Look--Neuer, over the course of 90 minutes in a match, is a machine. He's the best. And like you said, with the German defense playing a high line, and tactically astute, Neuer can actually pass and play the ball, and he can distribute much better than Howard.

That said, Howard doesn't play with a solid backline. Consistently, the US backline has looked ordinary--and Howard keeps in the US in the game. 2009 Confederations Cup until now, the US backline is always beaten, and Timmy keeps the Yanks in the game. EVERY TIME. For the last decade. Neuer can't begin to match the number of saves Tim Howard has made in International appearances.

Furthermore, Tim Howard always maintains his "composure", which is him screaming and freaking out (But getting the job done) at the Defense, which is (usually) too slow to keep pace with European forwards. Thing is, German keepers, including Neuer, panic and break down when the defense is broken down (Which is rare). Neuer took a dump against Ghana because his backline was rattled. Heck, don't let me get the tape of Ter Stegen's meltdown against the USA--When the machine that is the German defense develops holes, German 'keepers consistently struggle.

If I was a big club manager, I would start Neuer, true. But if I had a smaller club (With not the best Backline) or it was going down to penalties, I would put Tim Howard in, all day ...


The only Neuer breakdown I've seen was in the 4-0 barrage by Madrid in May. It could've been 6-0 because of 2 botched forays of his, but all GKs have bad days.
 
2014-07-16 09:53:05 AM  
No love for Ron Vlaar?

Sure, he missed a penalty, but as a defender he was outstanding.
 
2014-07-16 02:55:56 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: spawn73: Wessoman: spawn73: nmrsnr: How is Tim Howard not the GK?

Uh, because he's not even from the same planet as Neuer?

spawn73: Howard saved a lot of goals because USA was under preasure.

The whole German defence was playing 10 meters further up the field based on Neuers excellent perception of the game, and ability to act as a playmaker.

I'm not saying Howard is a bad goal keeper as all, just that he's not on the same planet as Neuer.

Nope.

As much love as Neuer gets, and it's well deserved, because Neuer is the most talented GK in the World Cup. But consistently, I consider Tim Howard vastly superior.

Look--Neuer, over the course of 90 minutes in a match, is a machine. He's the best. And like you said, with the German defense playing a high line, and tactically astute, Neuer can actually pass and play the ball, and he can distribute much better than Howard.

That said, Howard doesn't play with a solid backline. Consistently, the US backline has looked ordinary--and Howard keeps in the US in the game. 2009 Confederations Cup until now, the US backline is always beaten, and Timmy keeps the Yanks in the game. EVERY TIME. For the last decade. Neuer can't begin to match the number of saves Tim Howard has made in International appearances.

Furthermore, Tim Howard always maintains his "composure", which is him screaming and freaking out (But getting the job done) at the Defense, which is (usually) too slow to keep pace with European forwards. Thing is, German keepers, including Neuer, panic and break down when the defense is broken down (Which is rare). Neuer took a dump against Ghana because his backline was rattled. Heck, don't let me get the tape of Ter Stegen's meltdown against the USA--When the machine that is the German defense develops holes, German 'keepers consistently struggle.

If I was a big club manager, I would start Neuer, true. But if I had a smaller club (With not the best Backline) or it was going down to penalties, I would put Tim Howard in ...


A lot of the 4-0 loss was really down to the defense being so poor. I think two of those goals were off set-pieces and Neuer didn't exactly do anything wrong, like come off his line to grab those, he just expected Dante or Boateng to clear it when they didn't. I think only one of those goals can be pinned on Neuer if we're being fair.

He's bad breakdowns and brain farts, as a Bayern fan I frequently find myself screaming at Neuer to stop YOLOING, but I pin the Madrid game on Pep's refusal to adapt and play Heynckesball, the awful defense, and Bayern's continuing failure to defend set-pieces. (Which was even a problem under Heynckes.)
 
2014-07-16 03:58:42 PM  

Trapper439: Somebody posted this video of Neuer in one of the match threads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqLOTN75x8


That is a kickass video. Suddenly my respek for Neuer is +++++.
 
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