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(SFGate)   Get ready for Californislavia   (sfgate.com) divider line 244
    More: Interesting, PDT SAN FRANCISCO, Central Valley, Tim Draper, Gray Davis, Central California, Clinton White House  
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2014-07-15 09:03:37 AM  
All is proceeding as foretold by prophecy.
 
2014-07-15 09:42:14 AM  
Dear God-- It's metastasizing!
 
2014-07-15 10:31:45 AM  
And thereby increasing California's relative power in the senate sixfold, and probably in the house as well. Yeah, I'm sure that'll just fly through Congress.
 
2014-07-15 10:39:13 AM  
the GOP would be totally against this.
the Senate would grow in size and the the dems would get "more" senators.
(yes, I know that southern and central CA would almost certainly be red states ...)

I really wish that Chicago/Cook could leave downstate.
YAY casinos in Chicago!!

sigh
 
2014-07-15 10:40:16 AM  
I'll only vote for it if it includes a provision to forcibly relocate the local teabagger infestation to another state
 
2014-07-15 10:46:28 AM  
Ain't nobody gonna want to live in Central California except perhaps Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor.
 
2014-07-15 10:46:45 AM  
Absolutely farking NOT!

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll only vote for it if it includes a provision to forcibly relocate the local teabagger infestation to another state


Hmmm...okay hold on fellas, let's not be too hasty here.
 
2014-07-15 10:46:54 AM  
Not gonna happen.
 
2014-07-15 10:48:14 AM  

nmrsnr: And thereby increasing California's relative power in the senate sixfold, and probably in the house as well. Yeah, I'm sure that'll just fly through Congress.


The House is limited to 435 members, so there will be no change, just in how they are apportioned; otherwise yes, six "new" states will mean 10 additional Senators would be added.  Those numbers are based on two existing seats in the Senate for California, so it's actually five "new" States.
 
2014-07-15 10:48:18 AM  
"This is a colossal and divisive waste of time, energy and money that will hurt the California brand"
2.bp.blogspot.com
Nothing will hurt these. They're guaranteed!
 
jvl
2014-07-15 10:49:18 AM  
Urban areas get disconnected from their water supply, and all the farms stay with the water. Looks like someone has a bee up their arse about farms "needing" water regardless of whether or not the water actually exists.
 
2014-07-15 10:49:19 AM  
Where's Otisburg?
 
2014-07-15 10:50:02 AM  
Why do people want to add states? There are too many states, serious. North and South Dakota should be one state. All of the NE should be one. All of Wyoming should be a national park. There's like 26 cities with more people than Wyoming. We really should be doing city-states if anything.

/I am not a crackpot
 
2014-07-15 10:50:55 AM  
This new idea is a dynamic, fresh innovation.
 
2014-07-15 10:51:19 AM  
So creating five new state governments is going to help the economy how exactly?
 
2014-07-15 10:51:24 AM  
And if Colorado splits, Obama will have his 57 states.
 
2014-07-15 10:51:34 AM  

Riche: Dear God-- It's metastasizing!


I think some nuclear tipped chemotherapy is called for.
 
2014-07-15 10:51:51 AM  
So let's see......

California becomes 6 states. Colorado becomes 2. Oregon splits into 2. Washington splits into 2. We're gonna need 8 new stars on the flag.

Not to mention this actually gives the the teajahidists more power because we are now giving them 2 senators in spots where they currently have 1 or 0. Yeah....don't think so.
 
2014-07-15 10:52:05 AM  
Apart from my skepticism that California residents will approve this plan, should they actually do so, the House would vote this proposal down in a heartbeat.
 
2014-07-15 10:53:06 AM  
The worst managed government in the country isn't California, by a long shot.  It isn't clear what the upside of this proposal is supposed to be, but I can see how duplicating all of the functions of state government times six is a pretty dumb idea if your goal is to increase efficiency.
 
2014-07-15 10:53:12 AM  
Separating California would only help the Republicans. Out of the six states, the way they're divided, I see two blue states, three red states, and 1 purple. Rural California is very red in my experience, and separating out Silicon Valley, SF, Oakland, LA, and Santa Monica while putting OC and San Diego into their own separate state from LA pretty much guarantees that CA's major Democratic strongholds are concentrated in two out of the six states.

This is gerrymandering at a higher level, and honestly, it's obvious enough that I'm surprised no one's calling them on it.
 
2014-07-15 10:53:48 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: This new idea is a dynamic, fresh innovation.


That may be so, but how will it leverage existing assets vis a vis maximizing productivity throughout the pipeline?
 
2014-07-15 10:54:48 AM  
And then, right after this happens, Texas will totally secede from the US.

Totally gonna happen.

Totes.
 
2014-07-15 10:55:20 AM  
"California is a beautiful place to live, and any time you can get new ideas and have a conversation, it's a good thing for California," Salazar said.

But that's not a new idea.

"If it helps to make government more responsible, that's a good thing, too."

Though they'll decline to quantify what "more responsible" even means.

Good on you for finding a rich mark to draw a paycheck from, bro.
 
2014-07-15 10:55:24 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: And if Colorado splits, Obama will have his 57 states.



Now do one about Chappaquiddick!
 
2014-07-15 10:55:47 AM  
Yes, let's reduce government by adding 5 new sets of senators, governors, state legislators, and state bureaucrats. Imagine the fun of writing five new state constitutions, laws, and regulations! Tons of fun to be had coordinating fire responses across the new state lines! One article claimed it would even solve our water problems. I guess that's because nature adds more water sources when you make a new state or something...it was a bit short on details. Great idea!
 
2014-07-15 10:55:51 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Jaden Smith First of His Name: This new idea is a dynamic, fresh innovation.

That may be so, but how will it leverage existing assets vis a vis maximizing productivity throughout the pipeline?


Synergy.
 
2014-07-15 10:56:03 AM  
I'm sure there will be no problems sorting out resources and tax revenues either.
 
2014-07-15 10:56:31 AM  

ExcedrinHeadache: Separating California would only help the Republicans. Out of the six states, the way they're divided, I see two blue states, three red states, and 1 purple. Rural California is very red in my experience, and separating out Silicon Valley, SF, Oakland, LA, and Santa Monica while putting OC and San Diego into their own separate state from LA pretty much guarantees that CA's major Democratic strongholds are concentrated in two out of the six states.
This is gerrymandering at a higher level, and honestly, it's obvious enough that I'm surprised no one's calling them on it.


Yep, and that's exactly what would happen with Oregon, Colorado, and any other state suggesting the same. I'd imagine nobody is calling them out on it because nobody thinks these proposals will actually make it far enough to come to a vote.


jehovahs witness protection: And if Colorado splits, Obama will have his 57 states.


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2014-07-15 10:58:08 AM  
There has been talk of dividing Ca for years. If at all I can see 2 states but not anymore. Reality it isn't going to happen any time soon. At least he could have picked better names for the states.
 
2014-07-15 10:58:17 AM  
Supporters would not say how many signatures they have gathered until Draper holds a news conference Tuesday in Sacramento. But they said they were confident they had plenty to spare.

That's my first clue that they do not in fact have enough signatures.

When he first floated the Six Californias plan in February, Draper said he didn't plan on putting a lot of money into the measure. But that changed: Draper spent $1.3 million and hired the signature-gathering firm Arno Political Consultants, which paid collectors as much as $3 per signature.

That's my second. Signatures average $2 apiece, and you generally need 50% extra to have enough valid signatures to qualify. So he paid for 650,000 signatures, but probably needs 1.2 million.
 
2014-07-15 10:58:55 AM  

kidgenius: So let's see......

California becomes 6 states. Colorado becomes 2. Oregon splits into 2. Washington splits into 2. We're gonna need 8 new stars on the flag.


58 stars would actually look okay. It's 62 that we need to look out for.
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Still not as cool as the Pacman flag, though.
images.sodahead.com
 
2014-07-15 10:59:24 AM  
Learn to swim (and swim, and swim, and swim, and swim, and you guys, too, learn to swim.
 
2014-07-15 10:59:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll only vote for it if it includes a provision to forcibly relocate the local teabagger infestation to another state


I'm gonna guess San Diego County. Only because I have a cousin in Vista who, despite being educated as a doctor, has become a Christian and a Teabagger over the past few years.
 
2014-07-15 10:59:43 AM  
Ever notice how all these plans increase the number of red states? Split WA and OR... so you have two new red farm states that will be sucking up more Federal dollars, just like Kansas, Nebraska, and all the others.
 
2014-07-15 10:59:50 AM  

whither_apophis: Why do people want to add states?


Most people that want to split states up want to gain a political benefit. The California, Washington, Oregon, and Colorado groups all want to split off the right wing portion of a left leaning state so they gain power locally and Federally.

The other significant group of people advocating splitting states (and there is some overlap) are the idiots that think the poor, rural, Conservative portions of the states are subsidizing the liberal cities.

The only other movements to add states are DC and Puerto Rico that basically want their status normalized within the country.
 
2014-07-15 10:59:54 AM  

LadySusan: Imagine the fun of writing five new state constitutions, laws, and regulations!


Given how teabaggy parts of CA are, at least one of these new Constitutions would unironically ask: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"
 
2014-07-15 11:00:09 AM  
The answer is more Senators and more Representatives and giving big states more senators but in a way that still allows small states to be overrepresented.

The difference between the largest and smallest state at the time of the Constitution was about 12x.  Now it's about 65x.
 
2014-07-15 11:00:50 AM  
hurr durr 57 states!

HAW HAW HAW!!!
 
2014-07-15 11:01:19 AM  
Silicon Valley

AKA Dolly State
 
2014-07-15 11:01:26 AM  
More responsive government really means government that is easier to buy. I'm reminded somewhat of how Wisconsin and Minnesota were suppose to be one state, until lobbyists got involved, They didn't want farmers encroaching on their clear cutting business that depended on St. Anthony falls.
 
2014-07-15 11:01:28 AM  
I hope you do get more states. I've lived my whole life with 50 states and the idea of there being any less is just weird. In my parents lifetime there were 48 and 49 states, but now it's a nice round number and no one wants to budge. Once you get past the 50 mark you can go on an annexation, colonisation, or intergration spree. Puerto Rico, Mexico, Florida, Iraq... all can become real states when people don't have in their mind that they don't want to disrupt the pretty, balanced, 50 states number.
 
2014-07-15 11:01:41 AM  
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.


Not gonna happen.
 
2014-07-15 11:01:50 AM  
Just keep wasting your time and money on this kind of idiotic shiat teabaggers. I mean its not like those funds you're shoving down the toilet hand over fist would be useful in upcoming elections against entrenched republican incumbents.
 
2014-07-15 11:01:51 AM  
I don't want to be stuck with OC and San Bernardino counties! Teahadis and section8 housing for hundreds of miles.

No thanks.
 
2014-07-15 11:02:35 AM  
I think it's bullshiat the Bay Area would be named "Silicon Valley", and it bothers me that there's a state north of "Northern California".

Draper, a multimillionaire known as the Riskmaster

Does he call himself that? Might as well just be named Starlord.
 
2014-07-15 11:02:37 AM  

sonorangal: There has been talk of dividing Ca for years. If at all I can see 2 states but not anymore. Reality it isn't going to happen any time soon. At least he could have picked better names for the states.


Seriously.  4 "directional Californias" plus Jefferson and Silicon Valley.  Only Jefferson makes an even halfway decent state name (given the precedence of Washington also being a state name).

Shiat, use Native American place names, or old names given to regions by Spanish explorers.  Those have given us pretty reliable state names.
 
2014-07-15 11:03:19 AM  

12349876: The answer is more Senators and more Representatives and giving big states more senators but in a way that still allows small states to be overrepresented.

The difference between the largest and smallest state at the time of the Constitution was about 12x.  Now it's about 65x.


Difference between Alaska and Rhode Island has gotta be nearer 550x than 65x
 
2014-07-15 11:04:10 AM  

FarkingReading: And then, right after this happens, Texas will totally secede from the US.

Totally gonna happen.

Totes.


Stop being such a tease.  It's not nice.
 
2014-07-15 11:04:28 AM  
Won't make it. You can almost guarantee that.

I caught a signature collector being sneay about trying to collect signatures. "Two ballots for marijuana legalisation!"

One for pot, the other for this state divide.

I smacked those signature papers out of that douche's hand so fast...
 
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