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2014-07-14 01:35:48 PM  
No farking kidding.
 
2014-07-14 01:38:42 PM  
Pretty much shows that people didn't actually understand the data, which is typical.
 
2014-07-14 01:38:56 PM  
Conservatives actively seek out to kick everyone in the nuts, as hard and as often as they can, and then they're shocked that no one likes them?

I am just astonished. Astonished.
 
2014-07-14 01:49:36 PM  
This is my utter to total lack of surprise.

The problem is that kids actually do listen, and then when they realize that you've been lying to them for years, and that their future looks a bit bleak, they sort of rebound from that.
 
2014-07-14 01:56:56 PM  

LordZorch: Pretty much shows that people didn't actually understand the data, which is typical.


Pretty much shows that people can't be fooled by bullshiat forever, which is encouraging.
 
2014-07-14 02:05:14 PM  
predict that the next cohort of young voters could lurch rightward just as easily as the last one lurched left

We haven't lurched left since Nixon created the EPA.  Ronald Reagan started the derp train rolling in 1980, and it's been chugging along ever since.
 
2014-07-14 02:55:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: predict that the next cohort of young voters could lurch rightward just as easily as the last one lurched left

We haven't lurched left since Nixon created the EPA.  Ronald Reagan started the derp train rolling in 1980, and it's been chugging along ever since.


It wasn't reagan that started it . It was Karl Roves mentor Lee Atwater.
An utter SOB.
 
2014-07-14 03:23:59 PM  
There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.
 
2014-07-14 03:25:34 PM  
None of that matters if they don't show up to vote.
 
2014-07-14 03:28:39 PM  

abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.


There's no hint they are more libertarian, as far as I can see. They support fiscally liberal policies (like Obamacare) at higher rates than other age groups.

When people call themselves "fiscally conservative and socially liberal", it's pretty meaningless. What matters if their support for actual policies (SS, Medicare, Obamacare, SNAP, etc.). All the evidence I've seen shows that younger voters are more supporting of these programs (overall) than other generations.
 
2014-07-14 03:31:18 PM  

abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.


See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote
 
2014-07-14 03:34:04 PM  

Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote


I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.

Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.
 
2014-07-14 03:50:17 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.


I don't know that that's the correct way to frame the argument. You're setting it up as fiscal conservatism versus all of those things when in reality supporting those issues is fiscally conservative.

DamnYankees: Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.


Jim DeMint, former Senator, current president of Heritage and the defacto leader of the Tea Party:

"You can't be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative"
 
2014-07-14 03:52:22 PM  
Reason just commissioned a poll on Millenials - the takeaway? Millenials are overwhelmingly despise social conservatives (and Republicans).

reason.com/assets/db/2014-millennials-report.pdf
 
2014-07-14 03:52:47 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I don't know that that's the correct way to frame the argument. You're setting it up as fiscal conservatism versus all of those things when in reality supporting those issues is fiscally conservative.


If being a supporter of liberal policies means being fiscally conservative, then the word phrase is meaningless and just confusing.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Jim DeMint, former Senator, current president of Heritage and the defacto leader of the Tea Party:

"You can't be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative"


Not sure I'd agree that you can't, but I'd agree the two are related.
 
2014-07-14 04:10:11 PM  

DamnYankees: If being a supporter of liberal policies means being fiscally conservative, then the word phrase is meaningless and just confusing.


I would agree that it is meaningless.

DamnYankees: Not sure I'd agree that you can't, but I'd agree the two are related.


Right, I wouldn't agree with it either. But the point is that isn't just some guy saying it, it's the leader of the TP. That's an opinion that matters, at least among TP members. He's married the two philosophies, fiscal and social conservatism.
 
2014-07-14 04:28:06 PM  

DamnYankees: Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote

I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.

Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.


When people indicate that they are fiscal conservatives, ask what that means to them.
 
2014-07-14 04:32:28 PM  
the term "fiscal conservative" sounds good to lots of people because in their head they imagine it means not wasting money on the F35's secondary engine or maybe not buying 4000 more tanks that the DOD doesn't want or maybe to them it means that the people who are receiving benefits aren't gaming the system so easily. Some how, the Republican party managed to identify themselves as "fiscal conservatives" even though that definition in most people's head has zero to do with Republican policies, like privatization of SSI or eliminating safety nets: basically destroying programs that Americans overwhelmingly support.
 
2014-07-14 05:02:07 PM  

Rev.K: Conservatives actively seek out to kick everyone in the nuts, as hard and as often as they can, and then they're shocked that no one likes them?

I am just astonished. Astonished.


ding ding ding
 
2014-07-14 05:18:28 PM  

dr_blasto: When people indicate that they are fiscal conservatives, ask what that means to them


It means cut my taxes and spend more money keeping the brown people away
 
2014-07-14 05:20:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: predict that the next cohort of young voters could lurch rightward just as easily as the last one lurched left

We haven't lurched left since Nixon created the EPA.  Ronald Reagan started the derp train rolling in 1980, and it's been chugging along ever since.


The government hasn't, but I think the generation that came of age in the Bush II era - from the Iraq War to Katrina to the financial collapse - has. Which is I think what TFA meant by the "last one", i.e. the last cohort of young voters, i.e. the generation that has shed their youthful indifference, gotten hit in the face by real life, and gotten involved in politics.
 
2014-07-14 05:25:09 PM  

DamnYankees: Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote

I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.


In my not-so-humble opinion, the problem is that people conflate being fiscally conservative with being fiscally responsible, and they aren't the same thing.  For example, a lot of fiscal conservatives see things like social security and universal healthcare as wasteful spending, and would like to see them scaled back or even eliminated.  However, a functioning social safety net and healthcare system actually save money in the long run, so the fiscally responsible approach would be to make them available to everyone who needs them.
 
2014-07-14 05:29:06 PM  
Tying themselves more closely to religious conservatives and their bigoted causes was about the stupidest thing the GOP could have done regarding Millenials, who are both more secular and more tolerant of differing sexualities than previous generations.

Well, that and George W. Bush. That bumbler will live on in infamy as the "Carter" of the right for years to come.
 
2014-07-14 05:29:28 PM  

dr_blasto: DamnYankees: Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote

I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.

Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.

When people indicate that they are fiscal conservatives, ask what that means to them.


If I were to describe myself that way, I would say something like "I believe we have strong cause for a lot of social programs vital to the establishment and preservation of a well educated, healthy, and prosperous people but that we have to as a society pay for that through adequate and progressive rather than regressive taxation rather than pinning future generations with countless debt.  In addition we should not engage in frivolous wars that go unfunded perpetuating debt."
 
2014-07-14 05:31:49 PM  

RexTalionis: Reason just commissioned a poll on Millenials - the takeaway? Millenials are overwhelmingly despise social conservatives (and Republicans).

reason.com/assets/db/2014-millennials-report.pdf


And the generation after them- called "Generation Z" by the terminally uncreative people in advertising agencies -are being shown to have little to no brand loyalty of any kind, meaning if you fark them over they will abandon you like they should. This could be bad for both parties, but Democrats have at least a chance of being flexible. The ascendance of that generation (admittedly in another 10-20 years) means no more electionball, because they're not assigning themselves to teams. Then shiat gets shook up.
 
2014-07-14 05:33:41 PM  

MrBallou: LordZorch: Pretty much shows that people didn't actually understand the data, which is typical.

Pretty much shows that people can't be fooled by bullshiat forever, which is encouraging.


You'd hope that after 30 years or so of getting anal fisted by Conservative economic policies people would start to notice.
 
2014-07-14 05:35:42 PM  
fiscally conservative, socially liberal

is how everyone whose politics I've asked about in the last 5 years - with the exception of several of my SF friends - defines themselves. All I can figure is it means: "I'm cool with people being people - whatever their race or beliefs or sexuality or gender - and I don't think we should spend $30 billion on military hardware that no one except an influential Congressperson wants".

It's the easiest position in the world to defend, and like so many things in politics, the devil's in the details.

I think that spending $1 today to save $10 tomorrow is "fiscally conservative", but a "true fiscal conservative" might demand that we not spend the $1 today OR the $10 tomorrow even if we have to surpass the debt ceiling and miss making a payment to one creditor or another.
 
2014-07-14 05:36:45 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: And the generation after them- called "Generation Z" by the terminally uncreative people in advertising agencies -are being shown to have little to no brand loyalty of any kind, meaning if you fark them over they will abandon you like they should. This could be bad for both parties, but Democrats have at least a chance of being flexible. The ascendance of that generation (admittedly in another 10-20 years) means no more electionball, because they're not assigning themselves to teams. Then shiat gets shook up.


Those "Generation Z" kids? They're still in elementary school. You can't say squat about their political views right now.
 
2014-07-14 05:37:43 PM  
Ever since David Spade graduated from PCU, the Young Republicans hasn't been the same.

unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com
 
2014-07-14 05:38:00 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: RexTalionis: Reason just commissioned a poll on Millenials - the takeaway? Millenials are overwhelmingly despise social conservatives (and Republicans).

reason.com/assets/db/2014-millennials-report.pdf

And the generation after them- called "Generation Z" by the terminally uncreative people in advertising agencies -are being shown to have little to no brand loyalty of any kind, meaning if you fark them over they will abandon you like they should. This could be bad for both parties, but Democrats have at least a chance of being flexible. The ascendance of that generation (admittedly in another 10-20 years) means no more electionball, because they're not assigning themselves to teams. Then shiat gets shook up.


As long as the Republicans party continues to skin their knees pleasing social conservatives, I don't think the Democrats have much to worry about at all when it comes to this next generation. Fiscal conservatives can be reasoned with, concessions can be made, budgets can be negotiated and agreed upon. Social conservatives have no such leeway. Even the Tea Party, which was supposedly formed to highlight the deficit and spending, was poisoned by their litmus tests.
 
2014-07-14 05:39:55 PM  
Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal.

It's the political conversant version of being Swiss. It's a total cop out, tells you nothing about the person saying it other than they lack balls, and gives you no insight into the positions they actually support.

Also, these people are usually conservative in all matters, they just don't want to admit it. You just have to get them drunk enough and they'll say f*gg*t and n*gg*r and "those people" a couple of times. Guaranteed.
 
2014-07-14 05:42:10 PM  
UncomfortableSilence:
If I were to describe myself that way, I would say something like "I believe we have strong cause for a lot of social programs vital to the establishment and preservation of a well educated, healthy, and prosperous people but that we have to as a society pay for that through adequate and progressive rather than regressive taxation rather than pinning future generations with countless debt.  In addition we should not engage in frivolous wars that go unfunded perpetuating debt."

In other words, you are a reasonable, pragmatic voter driven by an acute sense of enlightened self-interest?

GTFO.. you don't belong in the US.  We only like partisan spittle-flecked ideologues, TYVM.
 
2014-07-14 05:46:11 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Tying themselves more closely to religious conservatives and their bigoted causes was about the stupidest thing the GOP could have done regarding Millenials, who are both more secular and more tolerant of differing sexualities than previous generations.

Well, that and George W. Bush. That bumbler will live on in infamy as the "Carter" of the right for years to come.


Carter was a smart man who was eventually proved right about a great many things, but he was naive about his opponents and the depths they would plumb to get what they wanted.
He makes a much better preacher, ex-president, diplomat and all around person than president.

Bush... well... if it weren't for his daddy and his daddy's friends he'd be assistant manager at the local Piggly Wiggly. Night shift. He has tainted his family's name so badly that his brother can't even make suggestions about running for public office again without it being turned into a 10 minute bit by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show.
 
2014-07-14 05:47:30 PM  

DamnYankees: Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote

I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.

Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.


I think when people say 'fiscally conservative' they mean simply being cautious and frugal with money and prioritizing wisely....i don't think they mean it as 'conservative ideology'...conservative ideologues don't understand that and thusly overestimate thier actual support.
 
2014-07-14 05:48:30 PM  
E.M.D. advocates

euro-heaven.com
 
2014-07-14 05:48:51 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal.

It's the political conversant version of being Swiss. It's a total cop out, tells you nothing about the person saying it other than they lack balls, and gives you no insight into the positions they actually support.

Also, these people are usually conservative in all matters, they just don't want to admit it. You just have to get them drunk enough and they'll say f*gg*t and n*gg*r and "those people" a couple of times. Guaranteed.


Most socially-liberal, fiscally conservative people are those that have figured out the bullshiat that social conservatism is, usually due to life experience.  They just haven't figured out the bullshiat that fiscal conservatism is.

I wonder why the fiscal conservatism is harder to see through than the social?  Less immediate impact in your daily life?
 
2014-07-14 05:59:31 PM  

Clever Neologism: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal.

It's the political conversant version of being Swiss. It's a total cop out, tells you nothing about the person saying it other than they lack balls, and gives you no insight into the positions they actually support.

Also, these people are usually conservative in all matters, they just don't want to admit it. You just have to get them drunk enough and they'll say f*gg*t and n*gg*r and "those people" a couple of times. Guaranteed.

Most socially-liberal, fiscally conservative people are those that have figured out the bullshiat that social conservatism is, usually due to life experience.  They just haven't figured out the bullshiat that fiscal conservatism is.

I wonder why the fiscal conservatism is harder to see through than the social?  Less immediate impact in your daily life?


Depends. Are we talking real fiscal conservatism, or trickle-down economics?
 
2014-07-14 06:00:14 PM  

make me some tea: None of that matters if they don't show up to vote.


Short term, yes...long term, no. If a significant number of people come to consider themselves disenfranchised, for lack of a better term, they will begin to seek alternative means to empower themselves. That's change we can believe in.
 
2014-07-14 06:01:07 PM  

DamnYankees: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

There's no hint they are more libertarian, as far as I can see. They support fiscally liberal policies (like Obamacare) at higher rates than other age groups.

When people call themselves "fiscally conservative and socially liberal", it's pretty meaningless. What matters if their support for actual policies (SS, Medicare, Obamacare, SNAP, etc.). All the evidence I've seen shows that younger voters are more supporting of these programs (overall) than other generations.


Could be a Southern thing. Witnessing a big crop of Atheist Libertarians coming up in the big cities down south. Of course, I think most of them are shaving off from the Republican Party, so it doesn't really represent any left-right movement on a fiscal scale.
 
2014-07-14 06:03:15 PM  
Oh yeah? Well we'll see how they feel about it once trickle-down starts working.
 
2014-07-14 06:05:22 PM  

DamnYankees: Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote

I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.

Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.


Well there's also the factor that liberalism is mostly an economic philosophy. Things like pro-gay rights and environmentalism are not part of the liberal philosophy, various factors have just aligned to make it so followers of liberalism also follow these other philosophies.
 
2014-07-14 06:14:14 PM  
I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal, unfortunately for the Republicans that means I believe that people and corporations should pay their damn fair share of taxes.
 
2014-07-14 06:14:21 PM  

rwdavis: Well there's also the factor that liberalism is mostly an economic philosophy. Things like pro-gay rights and environmentalism are not part of the liberal philosophy, various factors have just aligned to make it so followers of liberalism also follow these other philosophies.


I don't think this is true at all. Social and economic liberalism stem from the same core - a universal concern for all people (or at least a broader spectrum of people than conservatives). The same impulse which makes someone care about gay people is also going to make them more likely to care about poor people.
 
2014-07-14 06:15:10 PM  

rwdavis: DamnYankees: Polartank13: abb3w: There's some hints that they may be increasingly Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal), and fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, the actual Libertarian party has tended even more disfunctional than the GOP -- since at least around the Koch presidential campaign.

See now that's something I can get behind. I identify only as a Republican in name only anymore, and I have to hold my nose just to vote

I don't know why people think being fiscally conservative is somehow a good thing. I'd rather someone be for greater labor protections, universal health care, better schools and less war and reduction of income inequality, than someone be against all that stuff but support gay marriage.

Also, its worth noting that in general, fiscal conservatism and social conservatism go together for a reason. For a lot of people (not all, but a lot and I'd venture to say most), fiscal conservatism is ignited by the impulse that money is being taken away from 'good' people by taxes and given to 'bad' people who don't deserve it. And social conservatism is a big way in which rubric by which people are sorted into 'deserving' and 'not' in that context.

Well there's also the factor that liberalism is mostly an economic philosophy. Things like pro-gay rights and environmentalism are not part of the liberal philosophy, various factors have just aligned to make it so followers of liberalism also follow these other philosophies.


What is it then about liberal economic philosophy that makes it so accommodating to gay rights and environmentalism? Why is gay rights incompatible with conservative economic philosophy?
 
2014-07-14 06:25:16 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: What is it then about liberal economic philosophy that makes it so accommodating to gay rights and environmentalism? Why is gay rights incompatible with conservative economic philosophy?


Social and economic liberalism stem from the same core - a universal concern for all people (or at least a broader spectrum of people than conservatives). The same impulse which makes someone care about gay people is also going to make them more likely to care about poor people.

It's not a matter of compatible v. incompatible. It's merely how strongly the underlying temperament which would lead someone to believe in one would incline them to to believe in the other.
 
2014-07-14 06:25:55 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: What is it then about liberal economic philosophy that makes it so accommodating to gay rights and environmentalism? Why is gay rights incompatible with conservative economic philosophy?


The focus for liberal economic theory is the welfare of individuals (especially the lower classes) as opposed to conservative theory which generally seeks to maximize the profits of firms.

This requires empathy of the same type that would cause one to support civil rights, new social programs, etc, which in general are not favored by the entrenched interests conservatives represent. It's why the GOP is always harping about "uncertainty" and the negative effects it has on business.
 
2014-07-14 06:30:23 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: The focus for liberal economic theory is the welfare of individuals (especially the lower classes) as opposed to conservative theory which generally seeks to maximize the profits of firms.


This is not fair to conservatives. Conservatism, as a philosophy, does not want to "maximize the profits of firm". That's both way too narrow, and way too unfair, a reading.
 
2014-07-14 07:28:29 PM  
How are corporations trending?  They're the new "special" people.
 
2014-07-14 07:37:26 PM  
I've always thought of myself as social liberal and a fiscal conservative, but now you guys have me thinking... What does it mean to be a fiscal conservative?  Am I against hand outs to starving children because it's a bad investment?  Am I in favour of military action against some random country because it's a good investment in our national security?  That doesn't sound right at all...
 
2014-07-14 07:41:59 PM  

DamnYankees: There's no hint they are more libertarian, as far as I can see. They support fiscally liberal policies (like Obamacare) at higher rates than other age groups.


...well, the big problem is that we think that Obamacare is "fiscally liberal", when 20 years ago it was the conservative alternative to the Clinton health care initiative.
 
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