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2014-07-14 12:37:41 PM  
It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.
 
2014-07-14 12:45:24 PM  

Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.


Well, I hope you have the pleasure of dying of some normally preventable disease from consuming untreated water out of desperation after prolonged dehydration, some day.
 
2014-07-14 12:57:17 PM  

Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.


Spoken like a true believer of Ayn Rand
 
2014-07-14 01:01:47 PM  

incendi: Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.

Well, I hope you have the pleasure of dying of some normally preventable disease from consuming untreated water out of desperation after prolonged dehydration, some day.


or I could boil it... or buy drinking water at the store pretty sure foodstamps will cover that. Or (and here is an original thought) I could pay my frakkin water bill.

Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?
 
2014-07-14 01:02:58 PM  

Heliovdrake: Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.

Spoken like a true believer of Ayn Rand


Never read any and probably won't.
 
2014-07-14 01:04:39 PM  

Majick Thise: or I could boil it... or buy drinking water at the store pretty sure foodstamps will cover that. Or (and here is an original thought) I could pay my frakkin water bill.


Of, course, you island, you.
 
2014-07-14 01:05:25 PM  

Majick Thise: incendi: Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.

Well, I hope you have the pleasure of dying of some normally preventable disease from consuming untreated water out of desperation after prolonged dehydration, some day.

or I could boil it... or buy drinking water at the store pretty sure foodstamps will cover that. Or (and here is an original thought) I could pay my frakkin water bill.


Should they flush their toilets with bottled water?

      |  Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

Yes
 
2014-07-14 01:22:43 PM  

Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?


It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.
 
2014-07-14 01:23:04 PM  
I have a basic human right to have clean safe water delivered to me with no inconvenience to me and I demand that all of you bring it to me daily. At no cost to me. Incendi can do the bottling, MrBallou can provide the delivery vehicle and hellovdrake can drive it over here and pay for the gas. Oh and not too early, I like to sleep in. You three would either refuse to serve me (denying my basic human rights) or demand payment. If I didn't pay you would cut me off

There may be a basic human right to water but not to make others provide it to you without reimbursement

MrBallou: Should they flush their toilets with bottled water?


with the big jugs of bottled water, it could be done but no, what they should do is pay their bill. I bet the electric gets paid, after all the AC, big TV, xbox have to run on something..
 
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2014-07-14 01:28:40 PM  
Majick Thise:

or I could boil it... or buy drinking water at the store pretty sure foodstamps will cover that. Or (and here is an original thought) I could pay my frakkin water bill.

I'm sure they have the money laying around but just are too lazy to lick the stamp.

Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

Yes.
 
2014-07-14 01:31:50 PM  

Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.


I agree it should be included but you are still paying the bill not having someone else serve you for free.

It's the free service at the expense of others that offends me especially when they use the 'basic human right' phrase. George Carlin did a bit on what rights are. I agree with him that we don't have any 'rights' as we have come to understand them. We only have the right to try to provide for ourselves, whether that means trucking lake water in to flush (assuming they paid the sewage bill) or paying the water bill. It's our responsibility not someone else's
 
2014-07-14 01:40:24 PM  

vpb: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

Yes.


Our gov't runs on your taxes so you will pay for it sooner or later. Private companies run on profit, tell them they can't charge for their service and they will either close down or get a gov't subsidy... again YOU will pay for it. Oh and you will also pay a higher tax rate for all those people who rent and don't pay property taxes. Or those who don't make enough $ to owe income taxes, or those who just don't bother to pay their taxes owed. All those undocumented illegals.. yep you will pay a higher rate because of them as well

Or......

people could just pay the damn water bill they owe or be cut off
 
2014-07-14 01:43:45 PM  

Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.


Sewer is included in the property taxes here, but water is a monthly bill based on usage.  My typical water bill is under $50, so it's no big deal, though those who water their lawns with city water can see bills upwards of several hundred.

Since water has traditionally been billed in a usage based way most places I don't necessarily think it should be included in property taxes, but I wouldn't have a problem with a program that discounts the service for low income residents.

Detroit's problem is that their infrastructure is still designed for a much larger city, so the per capita expense is higher.  I also recall reading that a lot of the water delivery system is in disrepair, allowing a ton of water to leak out of bad pipes before it even gets to people.

A federal or state grant to modernize the water system would allow them to start charging rates more in line with the rest of the country.
 
2014-07-14 01:44:08 PM  

Majick Thise: I have a basic human right to have clean safe water delivered to me with no inconvenience to me and I demand that all of you bring it to me daily. At no cost to me. Incendi can do the bottling, MrBallou can provide the delivery vehicle and hellovdrake can drive it over here and pay for the gas. Oh and not too early, I like to sleep in. You three would either refuse to serve me (denying my basic human rights) or demand payment. If I didn't pay you would cut me off

There may be a basic human right to water but not to make others provide it to you without reimbursement

MrBallou: Should they flush their toilets with bottled water?

with the big jugs of bottled water, it could be done but no, what they should do is pay their bill. I bet the electric gets paid, after all the AC, big TV, xbox have to run on something..


You rather overstate the case, my friend. Ideally, free safe water would be provided to all to save lives, just like public sidewalks are provided for free, to keep people from being hit by cars.

In this case, it's the deadbeats who can afford it (corporations mentioned in TFA) who aren't being cut off, while individuals who really CAN'T pay who are being cut off. Is compassion something your worldview won't allow?
 
2014-07-14 01:49:47 PM  

Majick Thise: We only have the right to try to provide for ourselves, whether that means trucking lake water in to flush (assuming they paid the sewage bill) or paying the water bill. It's our responsibility not someone else's


I'm pretty sure you could use the sewer whether you paid or not.  There's no off valve on it, at least not around here.  If you don't pay your sewage bill here they will shut your water off.  Sewage is also mandatory here which is a total crock of shiat but it is what it is.  Everyone in town had a perfectly working septic tank, no one wanted sewage.
 
2014-07-14 01:50:59 PM  

MrBallou: Majick Thise: I have a basic human right to have clean safe water delivered to me with no inconvenience to me and I demand that all of you bring it to me daily. At no cost to me. Incendi can do the bottling, MrBallou can provide the delivery vehicle and hellovdrake can drive it over here and pay for the gas. Oh and not too early, I like to sleep in. You three would either refuse to serve me (denying my basic human rights) or demand payment. If I didn't pay you would cut me off

There may be a basic human right to water but not to make others provide it to you without reimbursement

MrBallou: Should they flush their toilets with bottled water?

with the big jugs of bottled water, it could be done but no, what they should do is pay their bill. I bet the electric gets paid, after all the AC, big TV, xbox have to run on something..

You rather overstate the case, my friend. Ideally, free safe water would be provided to all to save lives, just like public sidewalks are provided for free, to keep people from being hit by cars.

In this case, it's the deadbeats who can afford it (corporations mentioned in TFA) who aren't being cut off, while individuals who really CAN'T pay who are being cut off. Is compassion something your worldview won't allow?


The big corporate accounts will end up paying.  The bigger the business the more of a hassle it is to get money out of them.

In a previous job I had to work with vendors whose services were billed to the DoD.  It wasn't uncommon for the DoD to get 90 days behind before settling up, and for the vendors to give me a hard time about continuing service when they took longer than usual to make good.
 
2014-07-14 01:52:48 PM  

vpb: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

Yes.


Pay your water bill, man.
 
2014-07-14 01:56:35 PM  

Majick Thise: vpb: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

Yes.

Our gov't runs on your taxes so you will pay for it sooner or later. Private companies run on profit, tell them they can't charge for their service and they will either close down or get a gov't subsidy... again YOU will pay for it. Oh and you will also pay a higher tax rate for all those people who rent and don't pay property taxes. Or those who don't make enough $ to owe income taxes, or those who just don't bother to pay their taxes owed. All those undocumented illegals.. yep you will pay a higher rate because of them as well

Or......

people could just pay the damn water bill they owe or be cut off


People who own rentals still pay property tax. Rentals don't change the amounts you'd be taxed.

Immigrants, regardless of legality, all pay sales taxes. Those with fraudulent SSNs are paying taxes they'll never get the benefits from. They technically reduce the load since they can only put in and cannot take out of the system on the whole.

Basic services should not be privatized ever.Adding a middleman who is interested in profit only hastens bad service and failure. fark that shiat and all the privatizer idiots.
 
2014-07-14 02:15:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.

Sewer is included in the property taxes here, but water is a monthly bill based on usage.  My typical water bill is under $50, so it's no big deal, though those who water their lawns with city water can see bills upwards of several hundred.

Since water has traditionally been billed in a usage based way most places I don't necessarily think it should be included in property taxes, but I wouldn't have a problem with a program that discounts the service for low income residents.


I didn't necessarily mean a flat fee, but the fee should be included on your yearly tax bill.  In my city, since not everyone has a water meter installed, they make assumptions based on size of lot, house and whether you have a pool or not.  The long term plan is to install meters for everyone, but the up front investment by the city is proving to be cost prohibitive at the moment.

Detroit's problem is that their infrastructure is still designed for a much larger city, so the per capita expense is higher.  I also recall reading that a lot of the water delivery system is in disrepair, allowing a ton of water to leak out of bad pipes before it even gets to people.

It's the same here.  I read that 10 years ago, the city of Montreal was losing more than half the water it was pumping into its pipes.
 
2014-07-14 02:40:18 PM  

dr_blasto: People who own rentals still pay property tax. Rentals don't change the amounts you'd be taxed.

Immigrants, regardless of legality, all pay sales taxes.


what if the rental unit is empty? Even if there are tenants the landlord would up the rent then these people would be paying the bill which is the point..

Also sales tax in the USA is determined by state and 5 states currently have no form of sales tax at all.

all this would be very complicated the simple solution would be for these people to pay the bill or get cut off.

I agree that it should never be privatized (my water is private, sewage is not). I also agree with teh notion of a lower rate for low income, maybe even free in some cases but we don't have that. They received a service they knew they would owe a bill for and they aren't paying that bill, they should lose the service until the bill is paid.
 
2014-07-14 04:12:33 PM  
Pack it in, guys. This thread is already beyond redemption.
 
2014-07-14 04:14:09 PM  

Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.


Garbage removal and sewer line fees are both separate where I live
//either way, if you get a bill you have to pay or the only remedy is to cut you off, there is no freebies.
 
2014-07-14 04:16:51 PM  

Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.


The only places I know of where property taxes cover the cost of garbage pickup are suburbs.
 
2014-07-14 04:19:06 PM  
who farted, ya'll
 
2014-07-14 04:20:27 PM  

Heliovdrake: Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.

Spoken like a true believer of Ayn Rand stockholder in Nestle.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-privatisation-of-water-nestle-denie s- that-water-is-a-fundamental-human-right/5332238
 
2014-07-14 04:22:49 PM  
How about you just pay your farking water bill? If you can't afford an extra $150 get a second job or something.
 
2014-07-14 04:24:29 PM  
I'm with everyone here who is saying that water should be provided for free.  Why stop there though??

Electricity is a necessity, so it should also be provided for free.  Some would also argue that in this day and age the internet is a necessity as well, so we should probably start giving that to everyone for free.  It's pretty hard to get along without a phone, so we should give phone service away to everyone for free too.

Is there anything else I'm missing that people should get provided to them for free?
 
2014-07-14 04:25:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.

Sewer is included in the property taxes here, but water is a monthly bill based on usage.  My typical water bill is under $50, so it's no big deal, though those who water their lawns with city water can see bills upwards of several hundred.

Since water has traditionally been billed in a usage based way most places I don't necessarily think it should be included in property taxes, but I wouldn't have a problem with a program that discounts the service for low income residents.

Detroit's problem is that their infrastructure is still designed for a much larger city, so the per capita expense is higher.  I also recall reading that a lot of the water delivery system is in disrepair, allowing a ton of water to leak out of bad pipes before it even gets to people.

A federal or state grant to modernize the water system would allow them to start charging rates more in line with the rest of the country.


Another problem is that Detroit's collection mechanism lacks an effective hammer. Here in SF, if you don't pay the garbage (private monopoly) or water/sewer (public utility) bills, they can just go ahead and slap a lien on the property. If you have nothing like this between a stern note from the utility and a complete cutoff, of course people are going to push it as far as they can.

FWIW, I read somewhere (Metro Times, maybe?) that one of the big reasons corporate entities wind up on this list is because they may be balking at sewerage charges for runoff, which are estimated rather than calculated.
 
2014-07-14 04:27:36 PM  

GanjSmokr: I'm with everyone here who is saying that water should be provided for free.  Why stop there though??

Electricity is a necessity, so it should also be provided for free.  Some would also argue that in this day and age the internet is a necessity as well, so we should probably start giving that to everyone for free.  It's pretty hard to get along without a phone, so we should give phone service away to everyone for free too.

Is there anything else I'm missing that people should get provided to them for free?


*eyeroll*
 
2014-07-14 04:27:50 PM  

GanjSmokr: Is there anything else I'm missing that people should get provided to them for free?


i fully support spending taxpayer money on a mule giving you a free kick to the head

hopefully it'll dislodge whatever gunked up the works
 
2014-07-14 04:27:52 PM  

GanjSmokr: Is there anything else I'm missing that people should get provided to them for free?


Your mom, steak, BJs, weed, and your mom.
 
2014-07-14 04:29:27 PM  

GanjSmokr: I'm with everyone here who is saying that water should be provided for free.  Why stop there though??

Electricity is a necessity, so it should also be provided for free.  Some would also argue that in this day and age the internet is a necessity as well, so we should probably start giving that to everyone for free.  It's pretty hard to get along without a phone, so we should give phone service away to everyone for free too.

Is there anything else I'm missing that people should get provided to them for free?


Food and housing. You're being sarcastic but the Romans basically had this sort of system. You had a baseline of comfort and security, freeing you up to either work on your passion, try to make more money, or lounge around the baths all day.
 
2014-07-14 04:29:58 PM  

LibertyHiller: Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.

The only places I know of where property taxes cover the cost of garbage pickup are suburbs.


Back in the day (25-40 years ago), property taxes usually covered water, sewage, trash pickup, and installation/maintenance of sidewalks. Its depressing how many government services have been bastardized in the name of privatization. At this rate, in another 50 years, the majority of the country will be back to dirt/gravel roads, wells and outhouses. American exceptionalism at its finest.
 
2014-07-14 04:30:27 PM  
Basic economics still applies here. It costs money to build and maintain that water delivery infrastructure. This means it won't ever be "for free".
 
2014-07-14 04:30:27 PM  

Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.


Uhh...

On 28 July 2010, through http://www.un.org/es/comun/docs/?symbol=A/RES/64/292&lang=E">Resolutio n 64/292, the United Nations General Assembly explicitly recognized the human right to water and sanitation and acknowledged that clean drinking water and sanitation are essential to the realisation of all human rights. The Resolution calls upon States and international organisations to provide financial resources, help capacity-building and technology transfer to help countries, in particular developing countries, to provide safe, clean, accessible and affordable drinking water and sanitation for all.

In November 2002, the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights adopted http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/a5458d1d1bbd713fc1256cc400389e94/$F ILE/G0340229.pdf">General Comment No. 15 on the right to water. Article I.1 states that "The human right to water is indispensable for leading a life in human dignity. It is a prerequisite for the realization of other human rights". Comment No. 15 also defined the right to water as the right of everyone to sufficient, safe, acceptable and physically accessible and affordable water for personal and domestic uses
 
2014-07-14 04:30:30 PM  

Frank N Stein: How about you just pay your farking water bill? If you can't afford an extra $150 get a second job or something.


Because Detroit is a place with lots of extra jobs going around.

How about if you're a hypocritical internet commenter, we drop you off in an abandoned waterless house near the edges of Detroit, and let you survive for a month or something.
//No you don't get to take your money with you.
 
2014-07-14 04:30:59 PM  

Frank N Stein: How about you just pay your farking water bill? If you can't afford an extra $150 get a second job or something.


After all, the city's unemployment rate is down to 14.6% (from 24.8 four years ago). Yeah, they should have no trouble finding a second job given the robust economic climate and the abundance of transportation choices.
 
2014-07-14 04:32:02 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: GanjSmokr: Is there anything else I'm missing that people should get provided to them for free?

Your mom, steak, BJs, weed, and your mom.


You said "mom" three times.
 
2014-07-14 04:32:17 PM  

Stile4aly: Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.

Uhh...

On 28 July 2010, through http://www.un.org/es/comun/docs/?symbol=A/RES/64/292&lang=E">Resolutio n 64/292, the United Nations General Assembly explicitly recognized the human right to water and sanitation and acknowledged that clean drinking water and sanitation are essential to the realisation of all human rights. The Resolution calls upon States and international organisations to provide financial resources, help capacity-building and technology transfer to help countries, in particular developing countries, to provide safe, clean, accessible and affordable drinking water and sanitation for all.

In November 2002, the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights adopted http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/a5458d1d1bbd713fc1256cc400389e94/$F ILE/G0340229.pdf">General Comment No. 15 on the right to water. Article I.1 states that "The human right to water is indispensable for leading a life in human dignity. It is a prerequisite for the realization of other human rights". Comment No. 15 also defined the right to water as the right of everyone to sufficient, safe, acceptable and physically accessible and affordable water for personal and domestic uses


AGENDA 21 WHARGARRBBLGAZI!
 
2014-07-14 04:32:32 PM  

JonBuck: Basic economics still applies here. It costs money to build and maintain that water delivery infrastructure. This means it won't ever be "for free".


It doesn't rain where you live?  Pray more.
 
2014-07-14 04:34:08 PM  

MrBallou: In this case, it's the deadbeats who can afford it (corporations mentioned in TFA) who aren't being cut off, while individuals who really CAN'T pay who are being cut off. Is compassion something your worldview won't allow?


He's also forgetting that in a lot of areas, there really IS no way to get any water (especially in a city), and those who try to collect rainwater in barrels or other containers are usually cited under the law (in that water is NOT seen as a basic of human life, and therefore a person is not entitled to collect even rainwater for their own use or consumption.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  And it IS rather telling that corporations and major businesses who are in arrears are not even bothered with.  Guess they'd rather try for blood from a stone.
 
2014-07-14 04:34:16 PM  
Their billing and collections system must really suck. I don't think my municipality will let you get more than a month or two behind before they come and shut everything* off. I was reading in another article about this that a lot of the residential accounts are six months or more behind in payment.

*water and gas if you're behind in any of the above which are all on the same bill
 
2014-07-14 04:34:22 PM  
It should be noted that this very thing shoots really large holes in the 'Only suckers pay for bottled water, because it comes for free out of the tap' argument.


This story could be worse, though. In the early 90's, they shut off the electricity to my apartment in August because we hadn't paid the bill. Of course, the roommate whose responsibility this was supposed to be went and stayed with his parents for the 2 weeks it took to get the bill current. I got to sweat in an apartment with a battery operated lantern to read by. This was in Phoenix, to put some perspective on why it sucked so bad.
 
2014-07-14 04:37:00 PM  

ikanreed: Because Detroit is a place with lots of extra jobs going around.


LibertyHiller: After all, the city's unemployment rate is down to 14.6% (from 24.8 four years ago). Yeah, they should have no trouble finding a second job given the robust economic climate and the abundance of transportation choices.

excuses...


Picking up 1 extra 6 hour shift a week at $9.25/hr (Detroit's minimum wage) will more than pay for a water bill.

ikanreed:

How about if you're a hypocritical internet commenter, we drop you off in an abandoned waterless house near the edges of Detroit, and let you survive for a month or something.
//No you don't get to take your money with you.


What are you rambling on about? I mean, it doesn't appear that you don't even know what the word hypocritical means.
 
2014-07-14 04:37:40 PM  

GardenWeasel: Stile4aly: Majick Thise: It is not a basic human right to have someone else supply you treated water at their expense.

Uhh...

On 28 July 2010, through http://www.un.org/es/comun/docs/?symbol=A/RES/64/292&lang=E">Resolutio n 64/292, the United Nations General Assembly explicitly recognized the human right to water and sanitation and acknowledged that clean drinking water and sanitation are essential to the realisation of all human rights. The Resolution calls upon States and international organisations to provide financial resources, help capacity-building and technology transfer to help countries, in particular developing countries, to provide safe, clean, accessible and affordable drinking water and sanitation for all.

In November 2002, the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights adopted http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/a5458d1d1bbd713fc1256cc400389e94/$F ILE/G0340229.pdf">General Comment No. 15 on the right to water. Article I.1 states that "The human right to water is indispensable for leading a life in human dignity. It is a prerequisite for the realization of other human rights". Comment No. 15 also defined the right to water as the right of everyone to sufficient, safe, acceptable and physically accessible and affordable water for personal and domestic uses

AGENDA 21 WHARGARRBBLGAZI!


Yeah, seconded. We can't let the UN tell us what to do, Jesus wouldn't like it...
 
2014-07-14 04:37:52 PM  
If anyone wants a window into what the right wing and Republicans have in store for the entire nation should they have the reins of power again, one need only look at Michigan to get a good idea of their end game.
 
2014-07-14 04:38:15 PM  

nekom: Sewage is also mandatory here which is a total crock of shiat but it is what it is. Everyone in town had a perfectly working septic tank, no one wanted sewage.


I think you may be confused about the difference between a sewer and a septic tank....
 
2014-07-14 04:39:38 PM  

GardenWeasel: LibertyHiller: Flab: Majick Thise: Do you think that the gov't/private water companies should build and pay for piping, water towers, water treatment, and maintenance and then give it away for free?

It should included with property taxes, like garbage removal and snow clearing.

The only places I know of where property taxes cover the cost of garbage pickup are suburbs.

Back in the day (25-40 years ago), property taxes usually covered water, sewage, trash pickup, and installation/maintenance of sidewalks. Its depressing how many government services have been bastardized in the name of privatization. At this rate, in another 50 years, the majority of the country will be back to dirt/gravel roads, wells and outhouses. American exceptionalism at its finest.


Depends on where you are, I guess. Where I was living 40 years ago, we had to pay for the water system and the water treatment plant and property taxes weren't going to raise the necessary funds. Garbage pickup bounced around between public and private; now I think it's a public setup that contracts out.

Privatization swings both ways. Water companies were commonplace in the 19th century, then were taken over by cities because the private sector couldn't afford the cost of capital improvements; mass transportation is a similar story.
 
2014-07-14 04:40:50 PM  

Frank N Stein: What are you rambling on about? I mean, it doesn't appear that you don't even know what the word hypocritical means.


"Rambling" has a new low in meaning.  3 sentences is now "rambling".

Good job, Mr. Attention span.
 
2014-07-14 04:43:03 PM  
People are going to die as a result of this.
 
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