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(CBS New York)   Yankees lose game called after two-hour rain delay. This can mean only one thing to Joe Girardi: It's time to change the rules because it inconvenienced the Yankees   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 62
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2014-07-14 12:56:27 PM  
www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
2014-07-14 01:02:25 PM  
if it wasn't for the runs they scored, we would have won.
 
2014-07-14 01:03:10 PM  
You do know, Joe, that if your team were to resume playing in that amount of dampness their arthritis would flare.
 
2014-07-14 02:28:40 PM  

buckeyebrain: [www.thegatewaypundit.com image 647x564]


That really does look like a dumb New Yahker's face.
 
2014-07-14 03:40:14 PM  
The hate in this thread is palpable.

As for last night's game, the only rule I would change would be the one that allows these stupid 8 PM starts on a Sunday "because ESPN".
 
2014-07-14 03:42:50 PM  
Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).
 
2014-07-14 03:47:55 PM  
"My preference would be that you come back and finish it," he said. "We're coming back, why don't we finish it? It would be changing what they've done in the past, but I think it would be something to look at."

I'm sure Girardi feels exactly the same way about every Yankees victory obtained under similar circumstances.
 
2014-07-14 03:48:58 PM  
But if the Yankees would have been ahead, Girardi would say "well, them's the rules"....Hey asshole, the rules have been there for a long time, you knew it (or you damn well should know it).  Suck it up, take the loss and move on.
 
2014-07-14 03:49:51 PM  
The rules on this are somewhat arbitrary and ridiculous.

I remember when the same teams finished a game the next day, right before they started another game.

Whatever. Baseball is already slow and boring enough without a rain delay.

/baseball fan
//finally realized how boring it is
 
2014-07-14 03:53:23 PM  

qorkfiend: "My preference would be that you come back and finish it," he said. "We're coming back, why don't we finish it? It would be changing what they've done in the past, but I think it would be something to look at."

I'm sure Girardi feels exactly the same way about every Yankees victory obtained under similar circumstances.


How is that an unreasonable response to the question?
 
2014-07-14 03:56:18 PM  

mainstreet62: The rules on this are somewhat arbitrary and ridiculous.

I remember when the same teams finished a game the next day, right before they started another game.


I could be mistaken, but by understanding of the rule is once it's official (home team ahead in the bottom of the 5th or away team ahead after 5 full) and the game is called, that's it. If the game did not reach that point, then it's like it never happened. Only if the score was tied after the last full inning and the home team fails to go ahead in the bottom of the current inning do they ever resume play at a later date.
 
2014-07-14 03:56:29 PM  

Gunny Highway: How is that an unreasonable response to the question?


Shhh, don't interrupt the anti-Yankees circle jerk. It's the only way these idiots feel valuable at any point in their lives.

Proceed.
 
2014-07-14 04:10:32 PM  
ESPN can go fark itself for having to have that game start at 8 when it totally could have been played to completion if they started earlier in the day. I'm also not super pleased it took them 2 hours to finally call the game. That said, it's unlikely the Yankees were coming back - three runs is a pretty big ask from the Yankees' current offense - so BFD.
 
2014-07-14 04:12:43 PM  
Just as every CFB coach thinks the only poll that should ever be used is the one that happens to rank their team the highest that week
 
2014-07-14 04:19:03 PM  
I'd bet my next paycheck that any major league manager would say the same thing in that situation. I feel bad for the fans who sat out there for two hours.

8PM starts. They do that during the playoffs too. Bastards.
 
2014-07-14 04:20:51 PM  
I can understand Girardi saying this immediately after sitting around for a couple of hours waiting for a chance to finish the game, and then not getting that chance. It's the voice of frustration, and a manager who wants his team to have the chance to compete.

However, his reasoning seems predicated on the fact that the Yankees will be returning to Baltimore again this season. Which is a condition that I'd guess is true for less than half of the games played this season. He's essentially asking for different rules to be applied to games between certain teams in certain places at certain times of the year.

Unless he'd want every game to be played to at least nine innings, even if it means two teams giving up an off day in August or September to finish up a game from April or May with one team leading 8-0 in the eighth, most likely with very different rosters than they had in their first meeting. Would you even sell tickets to that?
 
2014-07-14 04:23:29 PM  

qorkfiend: "My preference would be that you come back and finish it," he said. "We're coming back, why don't we finish it? It would be changing what they've done in the past, but I think it would be something to look at."

I'm sure Girardi feels exactly the same way about every Yankees victory obtained under similar circumstances.


To be completely fair, this rule probably disfavors the Yankees ever so slightly. Their biggest only strength is their bullpen; if they're within a run or two going into the 6th or 7th, they have a good shot at winning. Shortened games don't give them that chance. I would expect their winning probability to increase with the number of innings played in a game.
 
2014-07-14 04:23:35 PM  

The Bestest: The hate in this thread is palpable.

As for last night's game, the only rule I would change would be the one that allows these stupid 8 PM starts on a Sunday "because ESPN".


Well...at least NOT have a Sunday night game right before the All-Star break.  That's just stupid on a number of levels.
 
2014-07-14 04:31:08 PM  

qorkfiend: "My preference would be that you come back and finish it," he said. "We're coming back, why don't we finish it? It would be changing what they've done in the past, but I think it would be something to look at."

I'm sure Girardi feels exactly the same way about every Yankees victory obtained under similar circumstances.


This is the sort of thing RetroSheet is awesome for. By my quick searches, there have been 46 games called before the 9th inning between 2008 (Girardi's first year as NYY manager) and 2013. The Yankees were involved in four of them. They won three (4/16/2010 vs. TEX, 8/2/2011 @ CHW, 7/18/2012 vs. TOR) and lost one (6/2/2013 vs. BOS).
 
2014-07-14 04:31:14 PM  

mainstreet62: The rules on this are somewhat arbitrary and ridiculous.

I remember when the same teams finished a game the next day, right before they started another game.

Whatever. Baseball is already slow and boring enough without a rain delay.

/baseball fan
//finally realized how boring it is


only if it was tied.  An official game is 5 innings or 4.5 if the home team is up.  it's been that way since long before you were a kid I'm guessing.

It is a ridiculous rule in this day and age.  A rule that was likely created due to no one having lights back inthe day.
 
2014-07-14 04:33:42 PM  

idesofmarch: ESPN can go fark itself for having to have that game start at 8 when it totally could have been played to completion if they started earlier in the day. I'm also not super pleased it took them 2 hours to finally call the game. That said, it's unlikely the Yankees were coming back - three runs is a pretty big ask from the Yankees' current offense - so BFD.


You know, games that start at normal times get rained out all the time.  Your notion that the game starting at 8 is ridiculous because it caused the rain shortened final is ludicrous.
 
2014-07-14 04:35:36 PM  

Trainspotr: I can understand Girardi saying this immediately after sitting around for a couple of hours waiting for a chance to finish the game, and then not getting that chance. It's the voice of frustration, and a manager who wants his team to have the chance to compete.

However, his reasoning seems predicated on the fact that the Yankees will be returning to Baltimore again this season. Which is a condition that I'd guess is true for less than half of the games played this season. He's essentially asking for different rules to be applied to games between certain teams in certain places at certain times of the year.

Unless he'd want every game to be played to at least nine innings, even if it means two teams giving up an off day in August or September to finish up a game from April or May with one team leading 8-0 in the eighth, most likely with very different rosters than they had in their first meeting. Would you even sell tickets to that?


I think what he was saying is that if teams have another series, go ahead and finish it.  If not, go ahead and make it an official game.  I have no problem with that.  It really isn't that complex of a change to keep up with.
 
2014-07-14 04:35:47 PM  
Meanwhile, Alex Rodriguez slaps his forehead and says "Inconvenience to The Yankees! Why didn't *I* think of using that excuse?"

Then he goes back to eating fresh grilled babies.
 
2014-07-14 04:43:46 PM  

srhp29: mainstreet62: The rules on this are somewhat arbitrary and ridiculous.

I remember when the same teams finished a game the next day, right before they started another game.

Whatever. Baseball is already slow and boring enough without a rain delay.

/baseball fan
//finally realized how boring it is

only if it was tied.  An official game is 5 innings or 4.5 if the home team is up.  it's been that way since long before you were a kid I'm guessing.

It is a ridiculous rule in this day and age.  A rule that was likely created due to no one having lights back inthe day.


It's hardly ridiculous. Baseball games get rained out all the time.
 
2014-07-14 04:45:30 PM  

LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).


Citation needed.
 
2014-07-14 04:58:33 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.


Right above you.
 
2014-07-14 05:00:16 PM  

srhp29: idesofmarch: ESPN can go fark itself for having to have that game start at 8 when it totally could have been played to completion if they started earlier in the day. I'm also not super pleased it took them 2 hours to finally call the game. That said, it's unlikely the Yankees were coming back - three runs is a pretty big ask from the Yankees' current offense - so BFD.

You know, games that start at normal times get rained out all the time.  Your notion that the game starting at 8 is ridiculous because it caused the rain shortened final is ludicrous.


Dude, I wasn't saying that starting the game late caused the rain delay or early final, so EABOD. I just meant that if the game had started earlier - like every other non-ESPN game - it would have been finished long before the rain came. So, like I said, fark ESPN.

Also, if they started the game earlier and it went into a long rain delay, at least the dedicated fans - both at home and at the stadium - wouldn't have had to stay up so late on a work night.
 
2014-07-14 05:02:58 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.


LantisEscudo: This is the sort of thing RetroSheet is awesome for. By my quick searches, there have been 46 games called before the 9th inning between 2008 (Girardi's first year as NYY manager) and 2013. The Yankees were involved in four of them. They won three (4/16/2010 vs. TEX, 8/2/2011 @ CHW, 7/18/2012 vs. TOR) and lost one (6/2/2013 vs. BOS).

 
2014-07-14 05:03:20 PM  

LibertyHiller: Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.

Right above you.


So that's 4 games in 5 years. Not exactly a proper statistical sample from which to establish a clear pattern, and thus not something you should draw much attention to.
 
2014-07-14 05:04:54 PM  
srhp29: I think what he was saying is that if teams have another series, go ahead and finish it.  If not, go ahead and make it an official game.  I have no problem with that.  It really isn't that complex of a change to keep up with.

No, it's not complex. I'm just not a fan of playing games under different rules based on when and where they are played. Which, considering the DH rule and the "26th man" rule exist, isn't something that MLB is apparently worried about, so I fully expect them to implement the "Girardi rule" in two or three years.
 
2014-07-14 05:05:39 PM  

idesofmarch: LibertyHiller: Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.

Right above you.

So that's 4 games in 5 years. Not exactly a proper statistical sample from which to establish a clear pattern, and thus not something you should draw much attention to.


that's only a sample since Girardi took over as skipper.  Wonder who has the most wins due to a rainout.
 
2014-07-14 05:07:40 PM  

idesofmarch: LibertyHiller: Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.

Right above you.

So that's 4 games in 5 years. Not exactly a proper statistical sample from which to establish a clear pattern, and thus not something you should draw much attention to.


But it's a direct statistic related to the guy who is complaining about it.
 
2014-07-14 05:10:37 PM  

idesofmarch: LibertyHiller: Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.

Right above you.

So that's 4 games in 5 years. Not exactly a proper statistical sample from which to establish a clear pattern, and thus not something you should draw much attention to.


The Girardi Yankees have benefited more from this rule than not over the years so Girardi needs to STFU EOS (End of Story ).
 
2014-07-14 05:13:38 PM  
fark the Yankees.

fark their Japanese pitcher.

fark their retiring captain.

fark them all.

They will miss the playoffs.

Again.

There's some real hate for you.
 
2014-07-14 05:27:42 PM  

mainstreet62: Gunny Highway: How is that an unreasonable response to the question?

Shhh, don't interrupt the anti-Yankees circle jerk. It's the only way these idiots feel valuable at any point in their lives.

Proceed.


www.troll.me
 
2014-07-14 05:29:13 PM  

Allen262: The Girardi Yankees have benefited more from this rule than not over the years so Girardi needs to STFU EOS (End of Story ).


I'd LOVE to see your scientific/mathematical analysis that shows the 3-1 result as being directly related to Girardi or the Yankees' involvement, and not just happenstance. Or, failing statistical proof, some kind of evidence that Girardi or the Yankees petitioned the umps to make a ruling on the rain delay or some other thing.

Also, if you have to spell out an acronym, you shouldn't use it.
 
2014-07-14 05:32:52 PM  

idesofmarch: d LOVE to see your scientific/mathematical analysis that shows the 3-1 result as being directly related to Girardi or the Yankees' involvement, and not just happenstance. Or, failing statistical proof, some kind of evidence that Girardi or the Yankees petitioned the umps to make a ruling on the rain delay or some other thing.


The point is, that it IS just happenstance and Girardi should take this with a little more class since he's benefited from the same rule more times than not. Sort of how you don't cry when you lose one hand of blackjack even though you're still up a couple hundred bucks.
 
2014-07-14 05:38:37 PM  
I don't see the rules changing, not least because it's a circumstance that doesn't come up very often. Those 46 games over 6 years from 2008-2013 happened among 14,578 regular season games played.

That means a game is declared complete before the ninth inning 0.32% of the time.
 
2014-07-14 05:40:06 PM  

ManateeGag: Wonder who has the most wins due to a rainout.


Going by who has the most is faulty - for instance, some teams are ridiculously older than others, and thus will have many many more games completed early simply because of their longevity. Then you could factor in which teams play in parts of the country most prone to rain. Then factor in which teams play in stadiums with a roof.

Even if you only look at just those 4 games in 5 years brought up for the Yankees, that's FOUR GAMES IN FIVE YEARS. Not exactly a massive advantage.  Now if within those 41 other games in that time frame one team had 9 of them within 1-2 seasons and won 7-9 of them, that's a few games right there and might be worth taking a look at, but that still could just be a total fluke, and somehow I doubt that exists within the sample anyway.

The point is, thinking any team has gotten an edge because of rainouts is just farking stupid.
 
2014-07-14 05:42:12 PM  

jaylectricity: idesofmarch: d LOVE to see your scientific/mathematical analysis that shows the 3-1 result as being directly related to Girardi or the Yankees' involvement, and not just happenstance. Or, failing statistical proof, some kind of evidence that Girardi or the Yankees petitioned the umps to make a ruling on the rain delay or some other thing.

The point is, that it IS just happenstance and Girardi should take this with a little more class since he's benefited from the same rule more times than not. Sort of how you don't cry when you lose one hand of blackjack even though you're still up a couple hundred bucks.


Well this I agree with. Girardi needs to calm down and get back that make-no-excuses attitude you expect of a baseball manager.
 
2014-07-14 05:47:46 PM  

idesofmarch: LibertyHiller: Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.

Right above you.

So that's 4 games in 5 years. Not exactly a proper statistical sample from which to establish a clear pattern, and thus not something you should draw much attention to.


Mmmm, given that their all-time record is 9,994 to 7,617 (roughly speaking, four wins for three losses), I'd imagine that over time the results in games called for rain would approach a similar ratio. Girardi has benefited far beyond 4:3 in such cases, even with this loss.

Sure, it's happenstance, but even happenstance smooths out over time.
 
2014-07-14 05:50:33 PM  
Yankee threads sure are the worst. You guys actually make me side with their fans with your high school lunch table blind rage.
 
2014-07-14 05:52:07 PM  

LibertyHiller: idesofmarch: LibertyHiller: Yanks_RSJ: LibertyHiller: Yup, sounds like the Yankees (who have probably benefited more from this rule than not over the years).

Citation needed.

Right above you.

So that's 4 games in 5 years. Not exactly a proper statistical sample from which to establish a clear pattern, and thus not something you should draw much attention to.

Mmmm, given that their all-time record is 9,994 to 7,617 (roughly speaking, four wins for three losses), I'd imagine that over time the results in games called for rain would approach a similar ratio. Girardi has benefited far beyond 4:3 in such cases, even with this loss.

Sure, it's happenstance, but even happenstance smooths out over time.


Do we have know what he said in the post game interviews after wins. Probably something similar to what he said after a loss.
 
2014-07-14 05:55:25 PM  

LantisEscudo: I don't see the rules changing, not least because it's a circumstance that doesn't come up very often. Those 46 games over 6 years from 2008-2013 happened among 14,578 regular season games played.

That means a game is declared complete before the ninth inning 0.32% of the time.



that's like, your opinion, man.
 
2014-07-14 06:02:19 PM  

LibertyHiller: Sure, it's happenstance, but even happenstance smooths out over time.


Yeah, I'm sure it does smooth out in time, but 6 years isn't *enough* time, not when there's only 4 examples within that period! Come on, I'm no mathematician, but it doesn't take one to see you're just being foolish.
 
2014-07-14 06:07:15 PM  

idesofmarch: LibertyHiller: Sure, it's happenstance, but even happenstance smooths out over time.

Yeah, I'm sure it does smooth out in time, but 6 years isn't *enough* time, not when there's only 4 examples within that period! Come on, I'm no mathematician, but it doesn't take one to see you're just being foolish.


What does "probable" mean, again?
 
2014-07-14 06:25:47 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hardly ridiculous. Baseball games get rained out all the time.


Rained out and made up (if necessary in some cases). very few games are called and made an official game due to rain before the 9th inning.
 
2014-07-14 06:26:48 PM  

srhp29: .You know, games that start at normal times get rained out all the time.  Your notion that the game starting at 8 is ridiculous because it caused the rain shortened final is ludicrous.


Starting the game at 8 is ridiculous because it was the game before the All-Star break.  That's like forcing one's employees to stay until 9 p.m. the day before Thanksgiving to finish up TPS reports.  The rain-shortened game (and Girardi's hypocritical response) is merely an unfortunate consequence of this inconsiderate and grasping decision that MLB and its broadcast partners made.
 
2014-07-14 06:28:38 PM  
The main things I can take away from this thread is that the Yankees lost and that The Bestest feels that Yankees fans are being oppressed.
 
2014-07-14 06:39:38 PM  

LantisEscudo: I don't see the rules changing, not least because it's a circumstance that doesn't come up very often. Those 46 games over 6 years from 2008-2013 happened among 14,578 regular season games played.

That means a game is declared complete before the ninth inning 0.32% of the time.


The rule won't change because it would FARK starting pitchers.  If a dude throws 5 innings and then rests for ~12 hours then comes out and tries to throw again he can fark himself up good.   Sure you could throw in a relief pitcher but what if the starter had a no hitter or god forbid a perfect game going?  You want to see outrage?  I'd wager that most fans would be much happier with a long rain delay farking over a perfect game then the teams coming back and resuming the next day and the guy with the perfect game going sitting on the bench or doing something to his arm due to the VERY short rest.
 
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