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(Entertainment Weekly)   'Heroes' creator plans to use mostly new characters for reboot (because his former stars are turning him down)   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 99
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2014-07-14 12:38:20 PM  
If the series premiere plot is all of the writers from the last series final years being rounded up and shot, I'd watch that.

/"Yattaaaa!!!"
 
2014-07-14 01:10:49 PM  
there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed.  Ando was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.
 
2014-07-14 01:29:07 PM  
 
2014-07-14 01:53:16 PM  

ManateeGag: there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed.  Ando was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.


Precisely. It became boring and then there had to be retcons to explain all the powers.

Then, though, the worst thing happened: The writers' strike. Quality took a huge nosedive. I gave up at that point because it was so miserable.
 
2014-07-14 02:06:35 PM  
Leave out the amnesia in your second season premiere and I may not immediately change the channel.
 
2014-07-14 02:08:59 PM  
Good. If the characters weren't good for the length of the original run, why bring any back for the reboot?

Heroes should be done American Horror Story style with new characters every series.
 
2014-07-14 02:10:57 PM  
I don't think I'm remembering this wrong, but any main character who died did not stay dead. And there were too many Ali Larter clones.
 
2014-07-14 02:13:14 PM  

skinink: I don't think I'm remembering this wrong, but any main character who died did not stay dead. And there were too many Ali Larter clones.


Exactly.
 
2014-07-14 02:14:07 PM  

ManateeGag: there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed.  Ando was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.


Supposedly the initial plan for the show was to have a completely new cast every season. I think it would have worked a lot better had they stuck to this plan, but really, that's kind of a doomed premise for a network show, when you think about it.

"Hey, here's this hot new show we made with these hot new actors that everyone loves!"

"Awesome!"

"Now we're going to completely get rid of them!"

"You're fired!"
 
2014-07-14 02:15:42 PM  

ManateeGag: there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfedAndo was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.


Yep. I knew that the show was destined to go downhill when they couldn't kill off Peter and Syler at the end of the first season. At that point you're letting the people upstairs guide the show rather than the characters.
 
2014-07-14 02:17:30 PM  

skinink: I don't think I'm remembering this wrong, but any main character who died did not stay dead. And there were too many Ali Larter clones.


Too much Ali Larter?

No such thing.

www.ivid.it
 
2014-07-14 02:18:10 PM  
Eh, the first two seasons of Misfits are better than Heroes could ever have been
 
2014-07-14 02:18:17 PM  
Only character I even care about coming back is Matt Parkman... the rest I am cool if they don't come back.
 
2014-07-14 02:18:45 PM  
So Hayden Pantyair won't be in it?

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2014-07-14 02:18:48 PM  

mcmnky: Good. If the characters weren't good for the length of the original run, why bring any back for the reboot?

Heroes should be done American Horror Story style with new characters every series.


That was the original plan, but they became too popular and lost their nerve about replacing everyone. That's why the first season finale fell apart, because they couldn't do the definitive ending they wanted to. The second season sucked from a combination of not having a plan for what to do with these characters that were supposed to be gone already, and the writers' strike cutting them off at the knees. The rest of the series was them struggling to dig themselves out of the hole.
 
2014-07-14 02:21:15 PM  
Who was asking for this?
 
2014-07-14 02:21:41 PM  
I liked it and will watch this one.

meh, I'm not looking for Sir Francis Bacon
 
2014-07-14 02:24:13 PM  
Sylar is considered an iconic character?
 
2014-07-14 02:24:29 PM  

Crudbucket: mcmnky: Good. If the characters weren't good for the length of the original run, why bring any back for the reboot?

Heroes should be done American Horror Story style with new characters every series.

That was the original plan, but they became too popular and lost their nerve about replacing everyone. That's why the first season finale fell apart, because they couldn't do the definitive ending they wanted to. The second season sucked from a combination of not having a plan for what to do with these characters that were supposed to be gone already, and the writers' strike cutting them off at the knees. The rest of the series was them struggling to dig themselves out of the hole.


But let's be honest. As bad as season 2 was, season 1 was still dumb. "Save the cheerleader, save the world," ... really?
 
2014-07-14 02:25:42 PM  
That was a pretty good show in the beginning, but when everyone and their uncle turned out to have a power... except you and I of course, It got pretty lame.

/Eat the Cheerleader - Save the World
 
2014-07-14 02:26:49 PM  
Stopped watching by the end of season 3. When the senator guy was skyler but couldnt remember he was skyler I gave up.

That whole 3rd season sucked (I like 1 and 2).

When they announce air times for the mini-series I'll give it all a whirl again.

/heroeswiki.com
 
2014-07-14 02:29:43 PM  
I wanted to like that show but it was a mess.

They wouldn't use powers when they could or should, they'd use them when it made no sense to. And please try not to make your sponsors another character.

"I'm in my Nissan Versa talking to you with my Sprint phone and Sylar is chasing me!"
 
2014-07-14 02:33:41 PM  

stonicus: Only character I even care about coming back is Matt Parkman... the rest I am cool if they don't come back.


Parkman was the worst character. His super power should have been the ability to become completely flat so his superhero name could be Doormat. Because that's what he was. he let everyone he ever met walk all over him.
 
2014-07-14 02:39:22 PM  
I never got into or followed Heroes and I'm glad I didn't from all the reactions I've read over time.  I've seen a few episodes here and there but didn't like the fact that they didn't stick with their plan of having new actors/actresses every season.  *shrugs*
 
2014-07-14 02:40:07 PM  

ManateeGag: there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed.  Ando was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.


I'm quite enjoying Misfits on hulu, they do a great job at managing power creep.  However three seasons in they haven't even hinted at trying to find out why or any greater purpose.  I kind of like that though, and how they gloss over how their actions are hardly noticed by the police or media.
 
2014-07-14 02:47:01 PM  

moothemagiccow: Eh, the first two seasons of Misfits are better than Heroes could ever have been


But Misfits of Science only had one season...

j/k...Misfits looks good, will have to check it out.
 
2014-07-14 02:58:10 PM  
I enjoyed the first season of Heroes enough that I ended up staying through three more increasingly awful seasons. I kept thinking that maybe we could recapture what we once had together, but things only got worse. I don't care anymore if it tries to come waltzing back in my life all cleaned up and "reformed." The days of me believing Heroes' promises are over.
 
2014-07-14 02:58:56 PM  
Season 1: Very Good
Season 2: Kinda Meh
Season 3: Are you farking kidding me?
Seasons 4&5: Fark You, You are dead to me

/ save the cheerleader series save the world network?
//nope.gif
 
2014-07-14 02:59:03 PM  
I loved Hiro's storyline (especially the twist regarding his ancient Samurai hero/idol), but there was no way they could allow him to keep his power as it was in the first season - all he'd have to do is time-travel far enough back to prevent whatever horrible thing that might happen. No suspense whatsoever.

If they'd been able to figure out how to write the series without nerfing everybody's powers, then it would have been cool, but... *shrug*

\didn't bother watching the last season
\\won't bother watching Reborn...
 
2014-07-14 03:03:33 PM  
They made Syler too powerful and then couldnt make up their mind with him, bad good, bad good, kinda good a little bad, then related to a few of the others. I checked out at the begining of season 3 with the blatent product placements and it seemed by then it was throw whatever crap to the wall and see what sticks.
 
2014-07-14 03:05:45 PM  
The very last episode should've ended with Hiro going back to the beginning of Season 2 and stopping all the crap that happened from that point forward.
 
2014-07-14 03:08:05 PM  
Zachary Quinto: "I'm very interested in expanding and defying people's expectations of me. I don't know that going back to such a definitely iconic character would necessarily do that."

You know who else never wanted to go back to such an iconic character?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-14 03:13:42 PM  
I liked the first season right up to the end. That ending sucked. It went downhill from there.

/shave the cheerleader, save the world
 
2014-07-14 03:15:53 PM  

ManateeGag: there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed.  Ando was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.


The show had potential, was really enjoyable at first, and then the season 1 finale turned out to be a big fizzle. When it came back for season 2 it was already starting to stink, and by season 3 it was a complete farking joke.

They can try and reboot it if they want, but hell if I'm going to bother with it. If I hear rave reviews all around I can always catch up later.
 
2014-07-14 03:17:40 PM  
I can forgive Season 1 whiffing at the end.  I think Season 2 would have been a lot better if the writer's strike hadn't happened.  The idea of the Heroes fighting the plague would have been an interesting idea and once they finished the Ancient Japan arc, things started to look up.  From there it went completely off the rails with body switching, Spider Mohinder, misused super villains, and finding increasingly dumb ways to depower Hiro all of which ultimately served to make once interesting characters boring.  The Samuel arc had potential, but by then the damage was done.

An anthology type setup would be interesting.  I'd also like to see JMS get involved and do his Rising Stars storyline, which I'm sure will happen right after I win the lottery and start boinking Kate Upton.
 
2014-07-14 03:19:44 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Stopped watching by the end of season 3. When the senator guy was skyler but couldnt remember he was skyler I gave up.

That whole 3rd season sucked (I like 1 and 2).

When they announce air times for the mini-series I'll give it all a whirl again.

/[heroeswiki.com image 250x194]

 
2014-07-14 03:19:55 PM  

ManateeGag: there was too much power creep the first time around.  Peter was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed to one power at a time.  Sylar was all powerful.  Hiro was all powerful until his shiat got nerfed.  Ando was given a power out of nowhere.  After the first season, the show didn't have much of a direction.


"Let's kill the guy that provides the prophetic foreshadowing and gets fans excited about future episodes, and keep the guys that are completely overpowered. Don't worry, though, he'll produce more posthumous work than Tupac."
 
2014-07-14 03:20:15 PM  

puckrock2000: Zachary Quinto: "I'm very interested in expanding and defying people's expectations of me. I don't know that going back to such a definitely iconic character would necessarily do that."

You know who else never wanted to go back to such an iconic character?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x345]


Right, except anyone and everyone not a Heroe-o-phile understands that going back to a popular character on Heroes is not exactly the same as going back to the phenomenon of Trek.
 
2014-07-14 03:24:11 PM  

smd31: I never got into or followed Heroes and I'm glad I didn't from all the reactions I've read over time.  I've seen a few episodes here and there but didn't like the fact that they didn't stick with their plan of having new actors/actresses every season.  *shrugs*


I think Michael J. Nelson said it best in the Rifftrax of Abrams' Star Trek: "Why did Heroes suck so bad after season 1?"
 
2014-07-14 03:32:39 PM  
If they're re-doing  Heroes, two things must be done. 1) Kill an Ali Larter-portrayed character, and by no means ever bring that character or Ali Larter back to the show under any pre-tense whatsoever. 2) Should a writer say the words "time" and "travel" in the same sentence while pitching an episode, that writer must be beaten until unconscious and then placed in stocks for a day to serve as a reminder to the other writers.
 
2014-07-14 03:38:57 PM  

mongbiohazard: The show had potential, was really enjoyable at first, and then the season 1 finale turned out to be a big fizzle.


I remember almost bailing in the middle of season 1, but hung on as they hinted toward an epic showdown that wound up being a dud. The ending made me question why I had even bothered with the show. (With Lost, OTOH, I completely enjoyed the ride, even if the ending was mediocre.) Then I stupidly hung around for the other seaons of Heroes, but I did derive perverse enjoyment in bashing the show as I watched.
 
2014-07-14 03:43:22 PM  

TwistedIvory: Then, though, the worst thing happened: The writers' strike. Quality took a huge nosedive. I gave up at that point because it was so miserable.


The writer's strike led to one of the most hilarious subplot "resolutions" I've ever seen on a TV show: when Peter took his new love interest into the dystopian future, then came back to the present and left her there, and then helped change events so that future never takes place.

Way to erase your new GF from existence there, Peter. Good job.
 
2014-07-14 03:44:04 PM  

balthan: I remember almost bailing in the middle of season 1, but hung on as they hinted toward an epic showdown that wound up being a dud. The ending made me question why I had even bothered with the show. (With Lost, OTOH, I completely enjoyed the ride, even if the ending was mediocre.) Then I stupidly hung around for the other seaons of Heroes, but I did derive perverse enjoyment in bashing the show as I watched.


And you just describe the majority of wrestling fans watching wrestling today.
 
2014-07-14 04:27:54 PM  

groppet: They made Syler too powerful and then couldnt make up their mind with him, bad good, bad good, kinda good a little bad, then related to a few of the others. I checked out at the begining of season 3 with the blatent product placements and it seemed by then it was throw whatever crap to the wall and see what sticks.


Sylar was an unrepentant and fairly awful serial killer. That, alone, should have made the notion of a redemption arc ludicrous.

Redemption arcs work best when there's something there worth redeeming in the first place. Zuko, from Avatar: The Last Airbender, is a great example of how to do a redemption arc. The stuff they tried to do with Sylar was just painful to watch and completely unconvincing.
 
2014-07-14 04:30:46 PM  
I remember the insistence on Fark that this show was different. That it mattered. Then I remember the screeching butt hurt when it wasn't and it didn't matter.
 
2014-07-14 04:35:05 PM  
That show had one good season. One.
 
2014-07-14 04:35:06 PM  
I thought the first season of Heroes was pretty good, but it went downhill after that.
 
2014-07-14 04:36:38 PM  

LZeitgeist: I loved Hiro's storyline (especially the twist regarding his ancient Samurai hero/idol), but there was no way they could allow him to keep his power as it was in the first season - all he'd have to do is time-travel far enough back to prevent whatever horrible thing that might happen. No suspense whatsoever.

If they'd been able to figure out how to write the series without nerfing everybody's powers, then it would have been cool, but... *shrug*

\didn't bother watching the last season
\\won't bother watching Reborn...


In one of the first season episodes, Hiro mentions that he can't risk changing too much or he might create a paradox (I think he calls it a breach).  I think a great storyline would have been to have Hiro attempt to undo everything only to create a paradox which he would have to resolve.  This would have put the characters in real danger and given Hiro a natural limit to his abilities.
 
2014-07-14 04:37:56 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: balthan: I remember almost bailing in the middle of season 1, but hung on as they hinted toward an epic showdown that wound up being a dud. The ending made me question why I had even bothered with the show. (With Lost, OTOH, I completely enjoyed the ride, even if the ending was mediocre.) Then I stupidly hung around for the other seaons of Heroes, but I did derive perverse enjoyment in bashing the show as I watched.

And you just describe the majority of wrestling fans watching wrestling today.



I think that, and thus the entire show, can be summed up with this:

37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-14 04:41:12 PM  
bring back the cheerleader, or your reboot dies.
 
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