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(Yahoo)   Even though the establishment won the GOP Civil War, don't expect big changes in Tea Party rhetoric. The Tea Party attracts the type of folks who don't accept the loss and aftereffects of Civil Wars   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 55
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2014-07-14 11:41:01 AM  
But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.
 
2014-07-14 11:43:46 AM  

jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.


Bingo. Pull your opponent far enough towards your position and there becomes no functional difference between the two sets of groups. Tea Party wins.
 
2014-07-14 11:44:34 AM  

jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.


yup. in that sense, the tea party won because their virulently racist policies - once considered dangerously radical - are now GOP orthodoxy.
 
2014-07-14 11:46:12 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.

Bingo. Pull your opponent far enough towards your position and there becomes no functional difference between the two sets of groups. Tea Party wins.


Yep.  The TeaTards have effectively hobbled the Republican Party and US politics for years.  These petulant children have set a new standard for bad politics, and it will be many years before the grown-ups outnumber the kids again.
 
2014-07-14 11:49:39 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dusk-You-n-Me: jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.

Bingo. Pull your opponent far enough towards your position and there becomes no functional difference between the two sets of groups. Tea Party wins.

Yep.  The TeaTards have effectively hobbled the Republican Party and US politics for years.  These petulant children have set a new standard for bad politics, and it will be many years before the grown-ups outnumber the kids again.


If I find a job that moves me out of this county, I'd suggest nuking it from orbit to clear out the serious bagger infestation around here

/of course, this assumes I can find a frikkin job at all
//I'm getting too old for this sh*t
 
2014-07-14 11:55:43 AM  
Forthwith know as "The War of Northern Derpgression."
 
2014-07-14 11:56:17 AM  
The south brow shall rise lower again!
 
2014-07-14 12:02:04 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dusk-You-n-Me: jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.

Bingo. Pull your opponent far enough towards your position and there becomes no functional difference between the two sets of groups. Tea Party wins.

Yep.  The TeaTards have effectively hobbled the Republican Party and US politics for years.  These petulant children have set a new standard for bad politics, and it will be many years before the grown-ups outnumber the kids again.


The thing everyone seems to forget is that the Tea Party's 'extremism' was standard GOP policy in many
respects going all the way back to the Clinton years.
 
2014-07-14 12:29:21 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The thing everyone seems to forget is that the Tea Party's 'extremism' was standard GOP policy in many
respects going all the way back to the Clinton years.


"Extremism in the defense of liberty...is no vice!"
 
2014-07-14 12:43:38 PM  
This is like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, at the end and the battle is over and humanity won.  I mean, you don't see any of those damned pods around, right?
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-14 12:52:34 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The thing everyone seems to forget is that the Tea Party's 'extremism' was standard GOP policy in many
respects going all the way back to the Clinton years.


I agree 100%.  I don't see much of a difference between GOP policy and TP policy.  The main differences are being loud and vocal whiny biatches, a willingness to kick out those that don't toe the hard line, and an absolute unwillingness to compromise for the greater good.  The difference is more in application of policy rather than policy itself.
 
2014-07-14 02:02:26 PM  
Less of a civil war, than jettisoning the chaff now that they've served their purpose. You only keep Astroturf around as it is useful, and they're quickly reaching the end of their usefulness.

Dusk-You-n-Me: jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.

Bingo. Pull your opponent far enough towards your position and there becomes no functional difference between the two sets of groups. Tea Party wins.


You are assuming that the two are differentiated. The TEA Party nonsense was to get donations, and to help win some momentum back after Obama won. It is still nothing but Astroturf, and the policies that they advocate are all things that folks have been working towards for a while. They just had to make them popular and reflexive.
 
2014-07-14 02:03:53 PM  

hubiestubert: You are assuming that the two are differentiated.


No I'm saying they aren't different. They may have been when the Tea Party was in its infancy, but there is no functional difference between the TP and 'establishment' Republicans.
 
2014-07-14 02:15:36 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: hubiestubert: You are assuming that the two are differentiated.

No I'm saying they aren't different. They may have been when the Tea Party was in its infancy, but there is no functional difference between the TP and 'establishment' Republicans.


That's because the TEA Party was created whole cloth by the GOP establishment. How many "movements" get media sponsorship in their infancy? The Libertarians still don't have that. The TEA Party is a "movement," it's a special effect. And one designed to get folks active, donating like crazy, buying a lot of crap, and lending support in a vocal fashion to give the illusion of an "uprising" where there is really just ire that a Democrat dared to beat two Republican front-runners, and that the homos and the hippies might be colluding with the scienticians to corrupt our childrens away from God and Country. It's NOT separate by any means. It was cooked up to give some folks who were about to get discouraged as f*ck something to focus on, and in that sense, it worked well. But in order to keep that "momentum" up, the GOP has had to throw a lot of idiots some bones. Which has meant that the Governors who were on board, and the Congresscritters who got swept in, are even more dependent upon talking points handed to them.

There isn't a divide. Only in the rubes' minds. Well, and a few of the suckers that they threw at the voters who imagine that they can operate on their own, and THOSE folks are about to lose their support, and be brought back to heel.

I do not accept that there has ever been any difference. They were created with an complicit media sponsorship, and without Fox News, there wouldn't have been any TEA Party in the sense that they're thought about today. They are tools to get folks fired up, who might have gotten into a deep funk that the GOP had lost its "edge." And they've hopped aboard this Astroturf, ready to play, because they think it's a new game in town. And it's just the same tired idiocy, as a means to get more NeoCon talking points in the conversation, spiced up with Randian rhetoric, because Republican Jesus.
 
2014-07-14 02:19:11 PM  
The Tea Party shall rise again! And the Gladstone shall be painted on many a pickup.
 
2014-07-14 03:03:12 PM  
Subby has a worrisome and thought-provoking point.
 
2014-07-14 03:07:38 PM  
 
2014-07-14 03:39:00 PM  

FlashHarry: virulently racist policies


MostOfAmericanHistory.txt

//Except for WWII.
///EXCEPT for internment camps
 
2014-07-14 03:39:13 PM  
I'll be sure to bring out my red, white, and blue Truck Nutz.
 
2014-07-14 03:39:39 PM  
What part of being Taxed Enough Already do you not understand?
 
2014-07-14 03:40:34 PM  
The teabaggers aren't fighting the establishment, they are the establishment. A decade ago, they were the same assholes who said "You're either with us or the terrorists!" and "Don't change horses midstream!"

Same shiat, different stench.
 
2014-07-14 03:41:18 PM  
What a shiatty article.
 
2014-07-14 03:43:18 PM  

hubiestubert: I do not accept that there has ever been any difference.


the 'establishment' republicans played a song and dance for the voters, but would be able to sit down and work when necessary to accomplish political goals. the tea party bought the song and dance and honestly believes it - that's why they're so unwilling to actually do anything

and the core problem for the gop is that they're singing the same tune - it's incredibly difficult to distance yourself from literal crazy people by arguing that you don't actually mean the crazy things you're saying
 
2014-07-14 03:46:07 PM  
Yahoo, your blog sucks.
 
2014-07-14 03:46:21 PM  
I just saw a rebel flag license plate the other day. Some people never give up.
 
2014-07-14 03:46:33 PM  

StokeyBob: What part of being Taxed Enough Already do you not understand?


The part I don't understand is why they're so focused on G and B, letters not included in "taxed enough already"

/Gay and aBortion
 
2014-07-14 03:48:21 PM  

jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.


It's because the Tea Party has gone rogue from the Republicans. They aren't going to sit down and shut up when a Republican beats a Democrat to the seat. They now want to overthrow Repulican seats with more Tea Party focused candidates. But they will not establish their own party because not only will they have less political strength, the Republicans will be weakened and the Democrats will take the majority. So to keep the Tea Party votes, the GOP is trying to pander to them to the point of lunacy.
 
2014-07-14 03:48:34 PM  

monoski: I just saw a rebel flag license plate the other day. Some people never give up.


Ooh, now you've done it. Better watch out or the South('s cholesterol) will rise again!
 
2014-07-14 03:52:03 PM  
Going the way of the blue dogs I see.
 
2014-07-14 03:54:08 PM  

12349876: StokeyBob: What part of being Taxed Enough Already do you not understand?

The part I don't understand is why they're so focused on G and B, letters not included in "taxed enough already"

/Gay and aBortion


Well you see, it's because babby jeebuz and furthermore, caughtsayof.


Or something.

I'm still waiting for babby jeebuz wrapped in a confederate flag emblazoned with the snake from the Gadsden flag printed on truck nutz being drug behind a hoverround.
 
2014-07-14 03:56:22 PM  
I watched Twelve Years a Slave last night. The whole time I was thinking to myself "The civil war didn't start soon enough."
 
2014-07-14 03:57:13 PM  
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2014-07-14 04:05:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Tea Party Isn't a Political Movement, It's a Religious One


That article explains a lot about the TP and also forecasts its demise

The TPiers are motivated by fear - the world is changing and leaving them behind

And Obama is the symbol of that new order - an uppity black man who doen't know his place

We have that meme of 'Spot the difference between the terrorist and theTP' (waving their bibles and their rifles) and it points to their common denominator - fear of change and anger that theirs is no longer the universally accepted Truth
 
2014-07-14 04:06:39 PM  

Repo Man: I watched Twelve Years a Slave last night. The whole time I was thinking to myself "The civil war didn't start soon enough."


i have been assured that the civil war had nothing to do with slavery because reasons
 
2014-07-14 04:13:15 PM  

jake_lex: But a lot of "establishment" Republicans had to start sounding like teabaggers themslves to beat them.  THe teabaggers got their nutbar ideas injected I to the mainstream of the GOP.


He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

Apparently this also counts for those who created the monsters they fight.
 
2014-07-14 04:13:46 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Tea Party Isn't a Political Movement, It's a Religious One


Or, the GOP had a movement and now it's really starting to attract flies.
 
2014-07-14 04:14:41 PM  
It's much too late for the Republican party:

i78.photobucket.com

TEA-rell: The facts of life... to make a radical alteration in the evolvement of an American political party is fatal. A coding sequence cannot be revised once it's been established.
GOP Batty: Why not?
TEA-rell: Because by the second mid-term of incubation, any cells that have undergone TEA Party reversion mutation give rise to revertant colonies, like rats leaving a sinking ship; then the ship... sinks.
GOP Batty: What about EMS-3 Moderate recombination?
TEA-rell: We've already tried it - Huntsman, Collins, Snowe, Lugar......; it created a virus so lethal the subject was dead before it even left the table.
GOP Batty: Then a RINO repressor protein that would block the operating cells.
TEA-rell: Wouldn't obstruct replication; but it does give rise to an error in replication, so that the newly formed DNA strand carries with it a TEA Party mutation - and you've got a virus again... but this, all of this is academic. You were made as well as we could make you.
GOP Batty: But not to last.
TEA-rell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, GOP. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son; you're quite a prize!
GOP Batty: I've done... questionable things in Congress.
TEA-rell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
GOP Batty: Nothing the God of Politics wouldn't let you into heaven for.
 
2014-07-14 04:17:13 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Tea Party Isn't a Political Movement, It's a Religious One


And like other religious movements it will be marginalised when its extremism puts off other religious groups, and its secular policies are recognized as flawed.
 
2014-07-14 04:24:00 PM  

hubiestubert: Dusk-You-n-Me: hubiestubert: You are assuming that the two are differentiated.

No I'm saying they aren't different. They may have been when the Tea Party was in its infancy, but there is no functional difference between the TP and 'establishment' Republicans.

That's because the TEA Party was created whole cloth by the GOP establishment. How many "movements" get media sponsorship in their infancy? The Libertarians still don't have that. The TEA Party is a "movement," it's a special effect. And one designed to get folks active, donating like crazy, buying a lot of crap, and lending support in a vocal fashion to give the illusion of an "uprising" where there is really just ire that a Democrat dared to beat two Republican front-runners, and that the homos and the hippies might be colluding with the scienticians to corrupt our childrens away from God and Country. It's NOT separate by any means. It was cooked up to give some folks who were about to get discouraged as f*ck something to focus on, and in that sense, it worked well. But in order to keep that "momentum" up, the GOP has had to throw a lot of idiots some bones. Which has meant that the Governors who were on board, and the Congresscritters who got swept in, are even more dependent upon talking points handed to them.

There isn't a divide. Only in the rubes' minds. Well, and a few of the suckers that they threw at the voters who imagine that they can operate on their own, and THOSE folks are about to lose their support, and be brought back to heel.

I do not accept that there has ever been any difference. They were created with an complicit media sponsorship, and without Fox News, there wouldn't have been any TEA Party in the sense that they're thought about today. They are tools to get folks fired up, who might have gotten into a deep funk that the GOP had lost its "edge." And they've hopped aboard this Astroturf, ready to play, because they think it's a new game in town. And it's just the same tired idiocy, as ...


Here's the difference.  The establishment GOP spouts the same unhinged rhetoric   but they Know that it a farce for the Gadje, a song and dance for the rubes,  They never BELIEVED a word of it, and when the time came to get shiat done and make sure nobody did anything stupid that affected business's ability to make money, they fell in line and look to Frank Luntz to figure out how to tell the voters that this was all in line with the One True Conservative Faith after the fact.


The TEA party is like a dealer sampling hsi own product,  they actually ARE as stupid and naive as they appear to be
 
2014-07-14 04:36:26 PM  

sprawl15: Repo Man: I watched Twelve Years a Slave last night. The whole time I was thinking to myself "The civil war didn't start soon enough."

i have been assured that the civil war had nothing to do with slavery because reasons.


The reason is that the truth hurts peoples feelings.

/the delicate feelings of southern white folks.
 
2014-07-14 04:36:44 PM  
How did 'the establishment' win the GOP 'civil war?'  Sounds like someone is trying to lie an assumption true.
 
2014-07-14 04:38:40 PM  
graphics8.nytimes.com

Something seems out of place on this picture. Can you spot it?
 
2014-07-14 04:38:45 PM  

hubiestubert: That's because the TEA Party was created whole cloth by the GOP establishment. How many "movements" get media sponsorship in their infancy? The Libertarians still don't have that.


You're assuming that the groups that sponsor the Tea Party didn't actually try to do basically same thing with the Libertarians previously but failed.  Hint: Who was the Libertarian Party's nominee for Vice President in 1980?
 
2014-07-14 04:40:23 PM  

mjjt: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Tea Party Isn't a Political Movement, It's a Religious One

That article explains a lot about the TP and also forecasts its demise

The TPiers are motivated by fear - the world is changing and leaving them behind

And Obama is the symbol of that new order - an uppity black man who doen't know his place

We have that meme of 'Spot the difference between the terrorist and theTP' (waving their bibles and their rifles) and it points to their common denominator - fear of change and anger that theirs is no longer the universally accepted Truth


To paraphrase Bill Maher, "The world may have changed on September 11th, but they didn't."
 
2014-07-14 04:40:44 PM  

monoski: I just saw a rebel flag license plate the other day. Some people never give up.


i.imgur.com

I remember seeing them when I lived in Michigan.

Michigan, which contributed 90,000 men and saw almost 15,000 of them killed in the Civil War.

/treasonous assholes
 
2014-07-14 04:43:14 PM  

monoski: I just saw a rebel flag license plate the other day. Some people never give up.


"You were a loser in 1865 and you're a loser now."
 
2014-07-14 04:44:59 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 850x637]
"any questions"


Yes, numerous.

1.  Do you think that comparing fascists with results to fascists with rascal scooters is fair?
2.  There were other fascists besides Nazis, and do you think your usage of them is reasonable?
3.  If a teabagger burned a cross in the middle of a forest, are you the real racist?
 
2014-07-14 05:05:58 PM  
"We think we've got a really good candidate in Joni Ernst," Law said. "She's new to the national scene, but she's got a personality that perfectly matches the state and a great resume as a soldier and a farmer."

Uh, no.

"In a Republican primary debate in May 2014, Ernst said she would have voted against the 2014 US Farm Bill stated her view that the Clean Water Act is damaging for business, expressed her support for private Social Security accounts for young workers, and said that she opposed a federal minimum wage and that the minimum wage should be set at the state level. Ernst said she believes same sex marriage is "a state issue" and pointed out that she had co-sponsored a bill to amend the state constitution in the Iowa Senate to prohibit same-sex marriage." Link

This will play in West Iowa (AKA East Nebraska) but the rest of the state will soundly reject her.
 
2014-07-14 06:17:00 PM  

Mantour: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x360]

Something seems out of place on this picture. Can you spot it?


The Apple laptop. That woman is clearly not a musician or artist. From here, From how she's dressed and her shorter hair she is either a house wife or a business woman. However, she is not dressed well enough to afford the high price-tag of a decent apple desktop. She is also too old to be a student who would qualify for a free laptop from their university and is not disheveled enough to be a grad student. Therefore, it is highly improbable that she would be using anything but a PC laptop in an airport.
 
2014-07-14 06:25:46 PM  
I've asked this question several times and have never received a serious answer. What exactly is the difference between the "establishment" GOP and the Tea Partiers? I'm talking policy. I get that one is a marginally smaller public relations nightmare than the other, but could someone provide an example of a major policy point where the Tea Party goes against the GOP? So we're all on the same page, what I'm looking for is something like this:

Issue X
Establishment GOP - we're against it!
Tea Partiers - we're for it!
 
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