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(Goal)   The US's soccer program is in the stone ages, compared to Germany. That's depressing. I'm going to go kick rocks now   (goal.com) divider line 105
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2014-07-14 03:33:56 PM  
The article sounded a lot more optimistic than that. But it's almost like some want soccer to fail.

I bet 0bama did this
 
2014-07-14 04:56:12 PM  
So we're behind the best team in the world? Good to know.
 
2014-07-14 04:56:32 PM  
How's Germany's football program?
 
2014-07-14 04:57:01 PM  
A country where soccer has been the national sport for a century has a better development system than a country that started taking soccer seriously in 1994. You don't say.
 
2014-07-14 04:57:56 PM  
I don't think anybody wants US Soccer to fail, I just think the vast majority just doesn't really care one way or the other. And I'm ok with that.
 
2014-07-14 05:00:14 PM  
The United States will not be a major men's soccer power because the best athletes in the U.S don't play soccer. Now I'm not saying the U.S doesn't have a lot of good and very good athletes playing soccer, but the U.S doesn't get its elite athletes playing soccer like other countries do. Until the U.S has a good number of its elite athletes playing being eliminated in the second round of the World Cup is the best we can hope for.
 
2014-07-14 05:03:08 PM  
Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-14 05:06:33 PM  
The roots of Germany's soccer academies are decades older than ours, and underwent a complete overhaul in the early 2000s to make sure more German players were included.  This generation of German players was developed within that framework, one we've only had such a system in place for 7 years.

It'll be something to watch in 2018 and beyond to see if it bears fruit for us.
 
2014-07-14 05:11:31 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: The roots of Germany's soccer academies are decades older than ours, and underwent a complete overhaul in the early 2000s to make sure more German players were included.  This generation of German players was developed within that framework, one we've only had such a system in place for 7 years.

It'll be something to watch in 2018 and beyond to see if it bears fruit for us.


I like the current plan to make turn the US team into 23 German-born players with US servicemen fathers. It seems to be paying off so far.
 
2014-07-14 05:15:11 PM  
How's that German ice hockey team coming?
 
2014-07-14 05:15:56 PM  
Of course we're behind. It was only 30 years ago that our national team was so janky that it was one of the teams in our top-level league. And they got last.
 
2014-07-14 05:20:29 PM  

ongbok: The United States will not be a major men's soccer power because the best athletes in the U.S don't play soccer. Now I'm not saying the U.S doesn't have a lot of good and very good athletes playing soccer, but the U.S doesn't get its elite athletes playing soccer like other countries do. Until the U.S has a good number of its elite athletes playing being eliminated in the second round of the World Cup is the best we can hope for.


With a population of over 300 million, there are more than enough "elite" athletes to field a top-tier international team even with a wider array of sporting options than you find elsewhere.

We don't need LeBron James to play soccer, there is a whole legion of athletic kids out there who don't have NBA or NFL futures but are surely gifted enough to develop as soccer players as long as their talent is identified early in life.  Stating definitively that we'll never be a men's power is awfully shortsighted and presumes a future based on barely more than two decades of the US being on the international soccer stage AT ALL.  There's already been tremendous growth, and now there's cash and focus.
 
2014-07-14 05:24:09 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: The roots of Germany's soccer academies are decades older than ours, and underwent a complete overhaul in the early 2000s to make sure more German players were included.  This generation of German players was developed within that framework, one we've only had such a system in place for 7 years.

It'll be something to watch in 2018 and beyond to see if it bears fruit for us.


therugbycity.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-14 05:25:16 PM  

doglover: How's that German ice hockey team coming?


Same as the baseball, American football, basketball, golf, tennis, track, swimming, and women's sports teams teams I reckon.
 
2014-07-14 05:25:28 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: With a population of over 300 million, there are more than enough "elite" athletes to field a top-tier international team even with a wider array of sporting options than you find elsewhere


Yep. If farking Uruguay, whose total population is the same as Seattle metro can consistently field a competitive team on an international level, then yeah, we're fine when it comes simply to numbers.
 
2014-07-14 05:25:49 PM  

Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]


There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.
 
2014-07-14 05:26:26 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Yanks_RSJ: The roots of Germany's soccer academies are decades older than ours, and underwent a complete overhaul in the early 2000s to make sure more German players were included.  This generation of German players was developed within that framework, one we've only had such a system in place for 7 years.

It'll be something to watch in 2018 and beyond to see if it bears fruit for us.

[therugbycity.files.wordpress.com image 300x233]



I wonder if the USMNT can start recruiting from CrossFit cultists, or MMA folks.  That seems to be where all the athletic guys under 6ft tall end up.
 
2014-07-14 05:26:41 PM  
OH NOES!!! Whatever shall we do? I'm guessing our plan of attack will be to continue not caring.
 
2014-07-14 05:27:23 PM  
I tell you what.

Since ESPN basically owns soccer coverage in most of the US, if they want a better soccer team for their viewers, let ESPN take some of those shareholder dividends and use them to build training facilities, hire coaches, buy uniforms, pay players wages, etc.

Any championship series that I can't watch for free needs to be paid for by the people making the money off of it and not by the taxpayers.

In other words, fark you ESPN.
 
2014-07-14 05:27:45 PM  
Well, yeah. In Europe, soccer is a lot like baseball or basketball in the U.S., where future stars are often identified during childhood. US soccer will get there...just takes the infrastructure that results from time and demand.
 
2014-07-14 05:27:50 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: We don't need LeBron James to play soccer, there is a whole legion of athletic kids out there who don't have NBA or NFL futures but are surely gifted enough to develop as soccer players as long as their talent is identified early in life.


I think the problem is that, at least until recently, even those athletes (not future NBA or NFL stars) are still playing football, basketball, or baseball and maybe looking to get a D1 scholarship when they realize they will not make it to the top pro level.   In my experience, the kids playing soccer, in lieu of other sports, are still not close to being the best athletes.

I think the whole football concussion issue is going to pay dividends in 15 years as I suspect some of the better young athletes are finally eschewing contact football for sports like soccer.
 
2014-07-14 05:28:56 PM  
Still ahead of Brazil tho
 
2014-07-14 05:31:41 PM  

Killer Cars: Yanks_RSJ: With a population of over 300 million, there are more than enough "elite" athletes to field a top-tier international team even with a wider array of sporting options than you find elsewhere

Yep. If farking Uruguay, whose total population is the same as Seattle metro can consistently field a competitive team on an international level, then yeah, we're fine when it comes simply to numbers.


Exactly.  Germany and Italy have won 8 World Cups between them, and their combined population is less than half of ours.  Throw in Spain and France, and 4 of the last 5 World Cup winners have a total population that still doesn't add up to ours.

Get the right system in place and give it a chance to work.
 
2014-07-14 05:32:41 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: ongbok: The United States will not be a major men's soccer power because the best athletes in the U.S don't play soccer. Now I'm not saying the U.S doesn't have a lot of good and very good athletes playing soccer, but the U.S doesn't get its elite athletes playing soccer like other countries do. Until the U.S has a good number of its elite athletes playing being eliminated in the second round of the World Cup is the best we can hope for.

With a population of over 300 million, there are more than enough "elite" athletes to field a top-tier international team even with a wider array of sporting options than you find elsewhere.

We don't need LeBron James to play soccer, there is a whole legion of athletic kids out there who don't have NBA or NFL futures but are surely gifted enough to develop as soccer players as long as their talent is identified early in life.  Stating definitively that we'll never be a men's power is awfully shortsighted and presumes a future based on barely more than two decades of the US being on the international soccer stage AT ALL.  There's already been tremendous growth, and now there's cash and focus.


I never said the U.S will never be a power. I said they won't be a power until soccer starts attracting the elite athletes. Baseball, football, basketball and hockey all concentrate on identifying the the good, very good and elite very early on and trying to lock them exclusively into the sport. Even some of the lesser sports have the infrastructure in place to do this and will regularly do it. From what I have seen, soccer in the U.S doesn't do this, or they aren't able to hold the kids in and the better athletes end up going to other sports.
 
2014-07-14 05:37:13 PM  

TedDalton: I think the problem is that, at least until recently, even those athletes (not future NBA or NFL stars) are still playing football, basketball, or baseball and maybe looking to get a D1 scholarship when they realize they will not make it to the top pro level.   In my experience, the kids playing soccer, in lieu of other sports, are still not close to being the best athletes.


That's absolutely been the problem, in addition to the lack of a domestic league to make soccer a viable professional athletic option.  People seem to forget that MLS won't celebrate its 20th birthday for two more years.
 
2014-07-14 05:39:09 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.


No law that says I can't either

makeameme.org
 
2014-07-14 05:40:08 PM  
They need to put two lines on the field. Once the ball crosses midfield it can't be passed behind the last line to the goalkeeper.

They also need to define "interfering with an opponent"
 I would consider running behind the goalkeeper at the start of a corner kick  a gesture or movement which," in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent."


I understand soccer is all but playing on given an advantage and that there is a big difference between "offsides" and "offside position" but jeebus how is that kind of behavior not distracting and how can that not affect  a player's performance.
 
2014-07-14 05:40:48 PM  

ongbok: I never said the U.S will never be a power. I said they won't be a power until soccer starts attracting the elite athletes. Baseball, football, basketball and hockey all concentrate on identifying the the good, very good and elite very early on and trying to lock them exclusively into the sport. Even some of the lesser sports have the infrastructure in place to do this and will regularly do it. From what I have seen, soccer in the U.S doesn't do this, or they aren't able to hold the kids in and the better athletes end up going to other sports.


It's been in place for a very short time.  DeAndre Yedlin is the first player developed within the US academy system.
 
2014-07-14 05:42:47 PM  

Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]


You'd think a Dolphins fan would welcome a different sporting option instead of that annual embarrassment.
 
2014-07-14 05:42:56 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I tell you what.

Since ESPN basically owns soccer coverage in most of the US, if they want a better soccer team for their viewers, let ESPN take some of those shareholder dividends and use them to build training facilities, hire coaches, buy uniforms, pay players wages, etc.

Any championship series that I can't watch for free needs to be paid for by the people making the money off of it and not by the taxpayers.

In other words, fark you ESPN.


ESPN no longer owns FIFA coverage in the US. Fox does, as of the conclusion of this year's world cup.

Also, your suggestion is insane
 
2014-07-14 05:44:37 PM  
coolsoccervideos.com
 
2014-07-14 05:45:50 PM  
TedDalton:

I think the whole football concussion issue is going to pay dividends in 15 years as I suspect some of the better young athletes are finally eschewing contact football for sports like soccer.

Um, yeah, about that...
 
2014-07-14 05:47:14 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: They need to put two lines on the field. Once the ball crosses midfield it can't be passed behind the last line to the goalkeeper.

They also need to define "interfering with an opponent"


They need to ban flopping and play the game until somebody farking wins.
 
2014-07-14 05:47:39 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]

You'd think a Dolphins fan would welcome a different sporting option instead of that annual embarrassment.


Let me know when you find one, this isn't it.
 
2014-07-14 05:49:55 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I tell you what.

Since ESPN basically owns soccer coverage in most of the US, if they want a better soccer team for their viewers, let ESPN take some of those shareholder dividends and use them to build training facilities, hire coaches, buy uniforms, pay players wages, etc.

Any championship series that I can't watch for free needs to be paid for by the people making the money off of it and not by the taxpayers.

In other words, fark you ESPN.

ESPN no longer owns FIFA coverage in the US. Fox does, as of the conclusion of this year's world cup.

Also, your suggestion is insane


Okay, thanks for giving me another opportunity to say something I find myself saying more and more frequently...

fark you, Fox.

/as if there is much difference between Fox Cable and ESPN Cable
 
2014-07-14 05:51:04 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]

You'd think a Dolphins fan would welcome a different sporting option instead of that annual embarrassment.


The problem being that USMNT is more like the Cubs than the Dolphins. Coulda been relevant 100 years ago if they'd applied themselves. Nothing since but futile hope at the start of each new campaign for fans in an abusive relationship with their team.
 
2014-07-14 05:51:21 PM  

Bitter Polish Adjutant: I don't think anybody wants US Soccer to fail, I just think the vast majority just doesn't really care one way or the other. And I'm ok with that.


If 30 years of kids playing soccer hasn't brought the sport into the mainstream, why do they think the World Cup will do it?
 
2014-07-14 05:56:00 PM  

mikaloyd: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]

You'd think a Dolphins fan would welcome a different sporting option instead of that annual embarrassment.

The problem being that USMNT is more like the Cubs than the Dolphins. Coulda been relevant 100 years ago if they'd applied themselves. Nothing since but futile hope at the start of each new campaign for fans in an abusive relationship with their team.


Funny you bring baseball into it, that is kinda exactly why soccer didn't get a real footing. Baseball was king and everything else was not even a thought.

I do think that the US will be relevant for years to come and only get stronger.

/I will still be posting how much it sucks though....
 
2014-07-14 05:58:11 PM  

Great_Milenko: Bitter Polish Adjutant: I don't think anybody wants US Soccer to fail, I just think the vast majority just doesn't really care one way or the other. And I'm ok with that.

If 30 years of kids playing soccer hasn't brought the sport into the mainstream, why do they think the World Cup will do it?


How long did it really take for Football to become as big as it is. Even in the 50s it wasn't all that
 
2014-07-14 05:59:02 PM  
I'm really looking forward to the Copa América Centenario in 2016. It should be interesting to see what kind of a team Jurgi fields. It will be great to have Yedlin and Green getting more experience. Also, let's pull some strings for Gedion Zelalem already!
 
2014-07-14 05:59:48 PM  

Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]



You're a little bit like the Westboro Baptist Church when it comes to hating soccer. People see you hating it, and see how childish you look, and don't want to associate with you. Thus, you're actually helping promote the sport.
 
2014-07-14 06:01:28 PM  

iamskibibitz: golf


You may want to look at the current US Open Champion before you go down that road.

Just, y'know, sayin'. It's OK if you're not a big sports guy. Easy mistake.
 
2014-07-14 06:05:03 PM  

JerseyTim: It will be great to have Yedlin and Green getting more experience.


i forget if it was juuuuuuuuuuuust before the  tourney started or perhaps after the first game, but in "the" soccer thread I said that I really supported the decision to forego Donovan in favor of getting the younger players some caps.  someone shot back, "you mean the ones that are sitting ont he bench?", and of course they were the ones that showed up huge vs. Portugal and played gamely vs Belgium.  I WAS RIGHT DAMMIT
 
2014-07-14 06:06:59 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]


You're a little bit like the Westboro Baptist Church when it comes to hating soccer. People see you hating it, and see how childish you look, and don't want to associate with you. Thus, you're actually helping promote the sport.


OK that makes me want to stop almost
 
2014-07-14 06:13:46 PM  
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2014-07-14 06:16:24 PM  

Piizzadude: Yanks_RSJ: Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]

There's no law that says you have to post in every single soccer thread.  We get the hint, you don't like it.

No law that says I can't either

[makeameme.org image 600x338]


The daily attention you need to validate your existence is staggering.
 
2014-07-14 06:16:25 PM  

Piizzadude: Subby, go play a real sport. Hockey, Football, Baseball....the rock thing will only hurt someone. Besides do you really want to end up like this?

[img.fark.net image 480x270]


Yeah, those uniforms weren't tight enough

s17.postimg.org

That's better
 
2014-07-14 06:27:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: JerseyTim: It will be great to have Yedlin and Green getting more experience.

i forget if it was juuuuuuuuuuuust before the  tourney started or perhaps after the first game, but in "the" soccer thread I said that I really supported the decision to forego Donovan in favor of getting the younger players some caps.  someone shot back, "you mean the ones that are sitting ont he bench?", and of course they were the ones that showed up huge vs. Portugal and played gamely vs Belgium.  I WAS RIGHT DAMMIT


You were right, ricky. Dropping truth bombs as usual.
 
2014-07-14 06:27:37 PM  

JerseyTim: I'm really looking forward to the Copa América Centenario in 2016. It should be interesting to see what kind of a team Jurgi fields. It will be great to have Yedlin and Green getting more experience. Also, let's pull some strings for Gedion Zelalem already!


THIS.

If you thought the U.S. was soccer crazy for the past month, when Copa América Centenario is here, it's gonna get insane! I'm sure most farkers don't have a clue what that is, but basically, all the South American teams, plus Mexico, Canada, Costa Rica and a couple others from CONCACAF as yet tbd are going to have a 16 team tournament all across the United States.

Most people also don't understand that the second tier of American soccer is growing extremely fast right now. The attendance numbers aren't all that great yet, but the fact is that there is a lot of home-grown talent being cultivated. It's just a matter of identifying the right players early and getting them off into a competitive league.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_soccer_league_system

Some say that until our professional league is paying big bucks, that we'll never see continual World Cup success. I think that our clubs are still not structured quite right for this. If we ever do promotion and relegation, which I hope happens once our second tier is filled out, then we can look forward to some serious competition.

The U.S. will win a World Cup in the next 24 years, a single generation from now.
 
2014-07-14 06:36:05 PM  

Kuta: JerseyTim: I'm really looking forward to the Copa América Centenario in 2016. It should be interesting to see what kind of a team Jurgi fields. It will be great to have Yedlin and Green getting more experience. Also, let's pull some strings for Gedion Zelalem already!

THIS.

If you thought the U.S. was soccer crazy for the past month, when Copa América Centenario is here, it's gonna get insane! I'm sure most farkers don't have a clue what that is, but basically, all the South American teams, plus Mexico, Canada, Costa Rica and a couple others from CONCACAF as yet tbd are going to have a 16 team tournament all across the United States.

Most people also don't understand that the second tier of American soccer is growing extremely fast right now. The attendance numbers aren't all that great yet, but the fact is that there is a lot of home-grown talent being cultivated. It's just a matter of identifying the right players early and getting them off into a competitive league.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_soccer_league_system

Some say that until our professional league is paying big bucks, that we'll never see continual World Cup success. I think that our clubs are still not structured quite right for this. If we ever do promotion and relegation, which I hope happens once our second tier is filled out, then we can look forward to some serious competition.

The U.S. will win a World Cup in the next 24 years, a single generation from now.


That system you describe sounds vaguely familiar. Isn't that the formula England has tried and perfected  for twice that long since winning another cup?
 
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