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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Goodlatte: We have no grounds to impeach Obama, but f*ck it, let's sue his ass anyway   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-07-14 09:26:52 AM  
At this point, i figure Boehner knows his career has gone down in flames. Thats the only reason i can see for him to be trying to go through with this.
If he weren't such a douche, I'd almost feel sorry for him.
 
2014-07-14 09:34:55 AM  
Goodlatte?

He likes his presidents like he likes his coffee:  black and impeached.
 
2014-07-14 09:39:36 AM  
I love how it's basically a foregone conclusion that they'll impeach at some point, they're just desperately trying to find a reason.

/please proceed
 
2014-07-14 09:44:13 AM  

dookdookdook: I love how it's basically a foregone conclusion that they'll impeach at some point, they're just desperately trying to find a reason.

/please proceed


Nothing more essentially American than "guilty until proven guilty - then really guilty."
 
2014-07-14 09:46:13 AM  

PWB™

 
2014-07-14 09:47:03 AM  

dookdookdook: I love how it's basically a foregone conclusion that they'll impeach at some point, they're just desperately trying to find a reason.

/please proceed


It's been "Waht can we impeach him for?" from day one.

Republicans think impeachment is an election do-over. Sort of like a recall election, but really an "unelection", with only the House of Representatives getting to vote. Absolutely guaranteed you'll see the same thing with the next (D) President.
 
2014-07-14 09:49:39 AM  
Do something to help the country?

/f*ck that
//it's not their job
 
2014-07-14 09:52:39 AM  

MrBallou: dookdookdook: I love how it's basically a foregone conclusion that they'll impeach at some point, they're just desperately trying to find a reason.

/please proceed

It's been "Waht can we impeach him for?" from day one.

Republicans think impeachment is an election do-over. Sort of like a recall election, but really an "unelection", with only the House of Representatives getting to vote. Absolutely guaranteed you'll see the same thing with the next (D) President.


Gov. Scott Walker's ears are ringing!
 
2014-07-14 09:55:11 AM  

SilentStrider: At this point, i figure Boehner knows his career has gone down in flames. Thats the only reason i can see for him to be trying to go through with this.
If he weren't such a douche, I'd almost feel sorry for him.


He will get reelected until he dies or quits.
His job as Speaker of the House might be over, but not his career.
Hell, he might be able to the the Speakership, now that Cantor imploded.
 
2014-07-14 09:56:32 AM  
So they sue.  What do they sue him for?  Money?  By the time they make it through the courts the employer mandate will be in place and Obama will either be gone or close to it.  Stupid is forever.
 
2014-07-14 10:05:55 AM  

oldernell: So they sue.  What do they sue him for?  Money?  By the time they make it through the courts the employer mandate will be in place and Obama will either be gone or close to it.  Stupid is forever.


It is unlikely that the courts will even intervene. They'll punt it back to Congress saying "you have the Power of the Purse, so you can work this out on your own. Don't bring us into your petty squabble."

Then someone will blame activist judges for ruining the country.
 
2014-07-14 10:11:51 AM  

MrBallou: It's been "Waht can we impeach him for?" from day one.


They were planning to impeach him before he even won the primary.  It's pathetic.
 
2014-07-14 10:27:21 AM  

Diogenes: Goodlatte?

He likes his presidents like he likes his coffee:  black and impeached.


HEYO

Seriously, though, and I say this as the libbiest lib who ever libbed, impeachment is  SUPPOSED TO BE a political prosecution for political "crimes." Presidents can be impeached for wearing white after Labor Day if it annoys Congress enough. That doesn't mean it's exactly a Swiss farking watch of a plan from a political perspective, but that's for the people behind the impeachment to worry about.

There are  always grounds for impeachment. Impeach away, Bob. Just gimme a second to go get some popcorn.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-14 10:34:45 AM  

semiotix: Diogenes: Goodlatte?

He likes his presidents like he likes his coffee:  black and impeached.

HEYO

Seriously, though, and I say this as the libbiest lib who ever libbed, impeachment is  SUPPOSED TO BE a political prosecution for political "crimes." Presidents can be impeached for wearing white after Labor Day if it annoys Congress enough. That doesn't mean it's exactly a Swiss farking watch of a plan from a political perspective, but that's for the people behind the impeachment to worry about.

There are  always grounds for impeachment. Impeach away, Bob. Just gimme a second to go get some popcorn.


Yes, but then he get's tried in the Senate.

(it wouldn't surprise me if they DO go for impeachment if they get control of the Senate.  Things are that crazy.)
 
2014-07-14 10:37:16 AM  
can we have the case tried by Judge Judy?
 
2014-07-14 10:42:45 AM  

vpb: (it wouldn't surprise me if they DO go for impeachment if they get control of the Senate.  Things are that crazy.)


I don't think so. If they could somehow get the two-thirds necessary to convict, sure, but I think it's blatantly enough a political stunt that they wouldn't be able to browbeat enough Dem senators into going along for a conviction, so if they're going to do it, they'll have to do it themselves.
 
2014-07-14 10:43:48 AM  
The thinking is that they're going forward with the lawsuit in order to head off impeachment.  It's not clear if the Tea Party is buying it.
 
2014-07-14 10:45:16 AM  

vpb: (it wouldn't surprise me if they DO go for impeachment if they get control of the Senate.  Things are that crazy.)


Well after Clinton's senate trial, a lot of them were claiming a moral victory because a majority of the senate voted to convict on one count.

Ofc with Clinton, they at least had something that on the surface sounded like sort-of maybe an actual crime, and not just a buttload of unfocused rage and whargarbl.
 
2014-07-14 10:50:25 AM  

Mentat: The thinking is that they're going forward with the lawsuit in order to head off impeachment.  It's not clear if the Tea Party is buying it.


Yep. If they can get the Tea Party to settle down, then the saner factions of the GOP can take control. *rolls eyes*

Laser-like focus on jobs. Any day now.
 
2014-07-14 10:51:49 AM  
GOP: We are not going to do our job

Obama: OK, I'm going to do it without you

GOP: STOP DOING OUR JOB!!
 
2014-07-14 10:52:19 AM  

MrBallou: Mentat: The thinking is that they're going forward with the lawsuit in order to head off impeachment.  It's not clear if the Tea Party is buying it.

Yep. If they can get the Tea Party to settle down, then the saner factions of the GOP can take control. *rolls eyes*

Laser-like focus on jobs. Any day now.


If only there were some way to vote these clowns out of office.
Oh, wait, clowns voted them INTO office?
NVM
 
2014-07-14 10:58:24 AM  
They want to sue Obama for delaying the employer mandate for Obamacare until 2015.

They don't actually want the employer mandate for Obamacare to ever kick in.

But they would like to use it as a political tool for the upcoming midterm elections.

So they're suing Obama because Obama took away one of their campaign issues.

And they expect people to not understand why they're doing this.

Huh.
 
2014-07-14 11:04:41 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: GOP: We are not going to do our job

Obama: OK, I'm going to do it without you

GOP: STOP DOING OUR JOB!!


Obama: Ok, give me money so I can do my job - AKA - implement and enforce all those laws that you have created.

GOP: NEVER!

/seriously, the executive should take money from the DOD "budget" and spend it on all the other programs.  There has to be some kind of weird loophole that would allow spending all the appropriations on all the laws, not allowing congress to just earmark money for their pet projects and screwing the rest of the laws.
/Obama: Sorry, I am required by the constitution to enforce all the laws, not just the ones that I like. Hah AH
/Yes, I know, it will NEVER happen.
 
2014-07-14 11:13:35 AM  

MrBallou: Mentat: The thinking is that they're going forward with the lawsuit in order to head off impeachment.  It's not clear if the Tea Party is buying it.

Yep. If they can get the Tea Party to settle down, then the saner factions of the GOP can take control. *rolls eyes*

Laser-like focus on jobs. Any day now.


I didn't say it was a good plan.
 
2014-07-14 11:36:44 AM  
As always the funniest part is realizing that if he was a white Republican named Brian O'Bama the biggest debates in the GOP right now would be what states to rename after him, should be be on the $10 AND the $20 or just one of them, and can the current Washington Monument be re-purposed to serve as the resplendent granite dong of the 7200-foot-high O'Bama Monument that will stand astride the Capitol Dome, with two solid gold balls that can be rung on national holidays.
 
2014-07-14 11:37:25 AM  

namatad: /seriously, the executive should take money from the DOD "budget" and spend it on all the other programs. There has to be some kind of weird loophole that would allow spending all the appropriations on all the laws, not allowing congress to just earmark money for their pet projects and screwing the rest of the laws.
/Obama: Sorry, I am required by the constitution to enforce all the laws, not just the ones that I like. Hah AH
/Yes, I know, it will NEVER happen.


also, I'm pretty sure that's impossible. Money appropriated for one department can't be shuffled to another department
 
2014-07-14 11:46:00 AM  
Are we going to have to deal with this crap every Democrat's second term in office now?
 
2014-07-14 11:56:26 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As always the funniest part is realizing that if he was a white Republican named Brian O'Bama the biggest debates in the GOP right now would be what states to rename after him, should be be on the $10 AND the $20 or just one of them, and can the current Washington Monument be re-purposed to serve as the resplendent granite dong of the 7200-foot-high O'Bama Monument that will stand astride the Capitol Dome, with two solid gold balls that can be rung on national holidays.



Keep saying things like that and people might realize he Emperor is nekkid.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-14 12:11:03 PM  

nmrsnr: Are we going to have to deal with this crap every Democrat's second term in office now?


I think it will start with the first term from now on.
 
2014-07-14 12:22:43 PM  
The GOP has no compunction about using the courts to get what they want when they can't get it done
within the legislative process.
 
2014-07-14 12:36:11 PM  

vpb: nmrsnr: Are we going to have to deal with this crap every Democrat's second term in office now?

I think it will start with the first term from now on.


I'm pretty sure it will start with  the primaries. Look at the Hillary coverage right now.
 
2014-07-14 12:57:34 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: GOP: We are not going to do our job

Obama: OK, I'm going to do it without you

GOP: STOP DOING OUR JOB!!


I happen to agree that CONGRESS should be doing the job, GOP controlled or not. The stupid thing is they are forcing more power into the hands of the Executive Branch. NOT GOOD.
 
2014-07-14 01:06:01 PM  
GOP: "Deport these illegal kids right farking now!"
Obama: "Okay, but we'll need a few billion to do that."
GOP: "But if we give you the extra money you ask for, you'll ask for even MORE money next year, so...eat shiat."
Obama: "Then I guess we'll not be deporting these kids as fast as you like."
GOP: "We're going to sue you for not doing your job!"
Obama: "I hate all of you with the fire of a thousand suns."
 
2014-07-14 01:24:38 PM  

FlashHarry: PWB™


Excuse me sir.  Do you know why I pulled you over?  By the way, that's a really nice airplane for what-are-you, a senator?  shiat, how did a senator like yourself get an Air Force One?  Is that the new one?  Well, well, I think someone reported this election stolen, looks like we're gonna have to impeach you.
 
2014-07-14 01:35:40 PM  
What if there *was* a legitimate issue regarding separation of powers and the executive branch was taking actions it was't authorized to take?

/I suspect libs will just call Boehner a drunk and Republicans racist.
 
2014-07-14 01:57:07 PM  
Republicans are worthless assholes. Go figure.

/can't believe I actually voted for a few of them years ago
 
2014-07-14 02:04:12 PM  

vernonFL: What if there *was* a legitimate issue regarding separation of powers and the executive branch was taking actions it was't authorized to take?

/I suspect libs will just call Boehner a drunk and Republicans racist.


All three of those aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2014-07-14 02:16:21 PM  

vernonFL: What if there *was* a legitimate issue regarding separation of powers and the executive branch was taking actions it was't authorized to take?


Like ordering the execution of all Congresspeople?

At this point...I'm okay with that.
 
2014-07-14 02:16:34 PM  

namatad: If only there were some way to vote these clowns out of office.
Oh, wait, clowns voted them INTO office?
NVM


Here's the problem. Everybody likes their own representatives. It's all those other representatives that are an issue.
 
2014-07-14 02:16:49 PM  
Here's the thing. If they impeach the president, a bunch of the representatives in the House are going to have to speak on the record. That's bad because a lot of them are really dumb. If they sue, they can hire a single, smooth-talking lawyer who sounds smart.
 
2014-07-14 02:19:38 PM  

Lando Lincoln: GOP: "Deport these illegal kids right farking now!"
Obama: "Okay, but we'll need a few billion to do that."
GOP: "But if we give you the extra money you ask for, you'll ask for even MORE money next year, so...eat shiat."
Obama: "Then I guess we'll not be deporting these kids as fast as you like."
GOP: "We're going to sue you for not doing your job!"
Obama: "I hate all of you with the fire of a thousand suns."


In his last State of the Union address, I see no reason Obama should just not say that. Once he's made his usual remarks to the country, he should turn to the Republican side (all sitting there stony faced) and say,

"And finally, you Republicans have been impossible to work with from the very beginning, no matter how hard we tried. Your obstruction of government for political gain marks you all as traitors to the American people. I just wish they had the right to jail you for dereliction of duty and violation of your Oath of Office. I hope you all have cancer right now. Goodnight."

Yep, that would be sweet.
 
2014-07-14 02:22:49 PM  
I LOVE how the lawsuit revolves around him not immediately instituting the policies that they disagreed with the whole time. How DARE he not immediately put into affect the things we hated so much we've tried to repeal40+ times!
 
2014-07-14 02:27:21 PM  

jaylectricity: Here's the problem. Everybody likes their own representatives. It's all those other representatives that are an issue.


It's not necessarily that. I imagine most of the voters in Goodlatte's district really do share the same or similar views as Goodlatte. Our House of Representatives is more a product of our many different, rather localized viewpoints in this country. So it is every else's representative that's the problem, but less because they don't see the problem with their rep, but because everyone else isn't adhering to the beliefs espoused by their rep.

Basically, what VA-1 people believe is the right thing to do for the country is not what the people of MA-1 district believes is the right course for the country and so on. So it's not denial that their rep is the problem and more of everyone else is too stupid to not see his genius.
 
2014-07-14 02:32:45 PM  

somedude210: jaylectricity: Here's the problem. Everybody likes their own representatives. It's all those other representatives that are an issue.

It's not necessarily that. I imagine most of the voters in Goodlatte's district really do share the same or similar views as Goodlatte. Our House of Representatives is more a product of our many different, rather localized viewpoints in this country. So it is every else's representative that's the problem, but less because they don't see the problem with their rep, but because everyone else isn't adhering to the beliefs espoused by their rep.

Basically, what VA-1 people believe is the right thing to do for the country is not what the people of MA-1 district believes is the right course for the country and so on. So it's not denial that their rep is the problem and more of everyone else is too stupid to not see his genius.


That's what I was saying. But thanks for clarifying if it wasn't as obvious as I thought.
 
2014-07-14 02:46:22 PM  

jaylectricity: That's what I was saying. But thanks for clarifying if it wasn't as obvious as I thought.


right but the oft cited argument of "it's not our guy" always seemed like it indicates that there's ignorance on the district's part on just how much of an asshole their guy really is. The reality is less ignorance and more reflection of what those in that district believe. That is both a blessing and a curse for our representative democracy.
 
2014-07-14 02:51:26 PM  

somedude210: jaylectricity: That's what I was saying. But thanks for clarifying if it wasn't as obvious as I thought.

right but the oft cited argument of "it's not our guy" always seemed like it indicates that there's ignorance on the district's part on just how much of an asshole their guy really is. The reality is less ignorance and more reflection of what those in that district believe. That is both a blessing and a curse for our representative democracy.


I agree. We vote who we want and they can never get anything done because the people in the bible belt are more worried about which church their guy goes to.
 
2014-07-14 02:52:47 PM  

somedude210: jaylectricity: Here's the problem. Everybody likes their own representatives. It's all those other representatives that are an issue.

It's not necessarily that. I imagine most of the voters in Goodlatte's district really do share the same or similar views as Goodlatte. Our House of Representatives is more a product of our many different, rather localized viewpoints in this country. So it is every else's representative that's the problem, but less because they don't see the problem with their rep, but because everyone else isn't adhering to the beliefs espoused by their rep.

Basically, what VA-1 people believe is the right thing to do for the country is not what the people of MA-1 district believes is the right course for the country and so on. So it's not denial that their rep is the problem and more of everyone else is too stupid to not see his genius.


In other words, gerrymandering.

Although I'd also argue that these idiots are also in office because primaries get so few people out to vote.
 
2014-07-14 02:57:19 PM  

jaylectricity: namatad: If only there were some way to vote these clowns out of office.
Oh, wait, clowns voted them INTO office?
NVM

Here's the problem. Everybody likes their own representatives. It's all those other representatives that are an issue.


Ummmm...maybe I'm an outlier but mine kind of suck and I want new ones.
 
2014-07-14 02:59:06 PM  

Diogenes: jaylectricity: namatad: If only there were some way to vote these clowns out of office.
Oh, wait, clowns voted them INTO office?
NVM

Here's the problem. Everybody likes their own representatives. It's all those other representatives that are an issue.

Ummmm...maybe I'm an outlier but mine kind of suck and I want new ones.


I'm pretty happy with mine.
 
2014-07-14 03:00:50 PM  

jaylectricity: somedude210: jaylectricity: That's what I was saying. But thanks for clarifying if it wasn't as obvious as I thought.

right but the oft cited argument of "it's not our guy" always seemed like it indicates that there's ignorance on the district's part on just how much of an asshole their guy really is. The reality is less ignorance and more reflection of what those in that district believe. That is both a blessing and a curse for our representative democracy.

I agree. We vote who we want and they can never get anything done because the people in the bible belt are more worried about which church their guy goes to.


not necessarily them, but yes. the views of our reps are so diversified and divided that it's impossible to come to a consensus long enough to make serious fixes to our problems
 
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