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2014-07-14 09:32:54 AM  
It's too late, the Party already knows the hate in your heart is too weak for you to be a fitting vessel for the Party's will.
 
2014-07-14 09:43:20 AM  
No Republican from north of the Mason/Dixon line and east of Philadelphia would ever have a hope of
getting a national GOP nod, because any "Republican" from the Northeast would be a Democrat anywhere
else.

He never had a chance.  Ever.  And he knew it.
 
2014-07-14 10:00:47 AM  
It does look like he's trying to get his derp  on the same level as the other wannabes.
 
2014-07-14 10:34:56 AM  

oldernell: It does look like he's trying to get his derp  on the same level as the other wannabes.


Not even close.  He's courting the Israel First vote, which is strong in his constituency.  He was advised to do this, I'm sure - and it's coming across as the pandering that it is.  I'm fairly certain he's not looking at the Presidency - right now, he has enough problems getting his own power base back into line in New Jersey.

That said, he may still be interested in an honorable retreat from Jersey by way of a Presidential run.  But his advisors should be telling him he has to start talking about bigger failures than this to get on the radar.
 
2014-07-14 11:00:33 AM  
Wonder if he'll ever get the taste of Adelson ass out of his mouth?
 
2014-07-14 11:04:16 AM  
Christie cited the violence sparked by the killing of three Israeli teens and said groups like Hamas "need to be dealt with, and dealt with firmly."

I'm sure Christie can bridge the gap in Israeli-Palestinian relationships.
 
2014-07-14 11:10:29 AM  
Chris Christie thinks he still matters?  Totes adorbs.
 
2014-07-14 11:25:52 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Chris Christie thinks he still matters?  Totes adorbs.


Well - he's at kind of a low point now, but these things run in cycles.  The funniest thing to me about Christie is that his high points don't even come close to bringing him into the same spotlight as other "serious" GOP Presidential candidates.  And yet, he seems to think of himself as a part of that group, or just outside of it, close enough to nip at their heels and maybe slip in ahead of them.

For a little while there, he was the front-man for the GOP.  Now, though, he's just "that guy".  It's kind of sad to watch really, but could morph into something interesting come election time.  If Christie and his people play it right.  Which I predict they won't.
 
2014-07-14 11:35:21 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Christie and his people play it right.  Which I predict they won't.


Yeah, it's conceivable that he could be a player, but unlikely.
 
2014-07-14 11:37:34 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: If Christie and his people play it right.  Which I predict they won't.

Yeah, it's conceivable that he could be a player, but unlikely.


He would need Jed Bartlett's election team.   The second one.  And even then, you can only do so much with what you have.
 
2014-07-14 11:41:54 AM  

bdub77: Christie cited the violence sparked by the killing of three Israeli teens and said groups like Hamas "need to be dealt with, and dealt with firmly."

I'm sure Christie can bridge the gap in Israeli-Palestinian relationships.


Time for some arms trafficking problems in the Middle East!
 
2014-07-14 11:44:12 AM  
"Israel is not sure that they have America's full support like they used to," the possible 2016 presidential candidate said...

Because nothing will guarantee peace there like throwing all your support unequivocally to one side.
 
2014-07-14 11:47:35 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: If Christie and his people play it right.  Which I predict they won't.

Yeah, it's conceivable that he could be a player, but unlikely.

He would need Jed Bartlett's election team.   The second one.  And even then, you can only do so much with what you have.


Yeah, they were excellent at hiding health problems.

Christie's lost weight, so there's that.

/don't see him happening either
 
2014-07-14 12:08:05 PM  

incendi: It's too late, the Party already knows the hate in your heart is too weak for you to be a fitting vessel for the Party's will.


OK, I was coming in to say, "And the soul selling to Rove and Ailes begins," but this works too.
 
2014-07-14 12:31:38 PM  
Maybe we should go to the Middle East and close a bridge for petty political spite.
 
2014-07-14 12:32:55 PM  
I think that was assumed when it became obvious he was steering Sandy funds to his political backers regardless of need.
 
2014-07-14 12:34:36 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: No Republican from north of the Mason/Dixon line and east of Philadelphia would ever have a hope of
getting a national GOP nod


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2014-07-14 12:36:56 PM  
He went a bridge too far.
 
2014-07-14 12:37:09 PM  

lilbjorn: DjangoStonereaver: No Republican from north of the Mason/Dixon line and east of Philadelphia would ever have a hope of
getting a national GOP nod

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The current leader for 2016


I had a dream last night that Romney was renominated for 2016. Well, more of a nightmare really, because he could easily be the worst President in history.
 
2014-07-14 12:39:03 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: If Christie and his people play it right.  Which I predict they won't.

Yeah, it's conceivable that he could be a player, but unlikely.

He would need Jed Bartlett's election team.   The second one.  And even then, you can only do so much with what you have.


Speaking of Bartlett, do you know why there's unrest in the Middle East?

Because it's hot, and there's no water.
 
2014-07-14 12:41:28 PM  

bdub77: Christie cited the violence sparked by the killing of three Israeli teens and said groups like Hamas "need to be dealt with, and dealt with firmly."

I'm sure Christie can bridge the gap in Israeli-Palestinian relationships.


Yeah, and I'm sure you can just "get rid" of Hamas, too.  It's not like they're a complex conjunct of demi-independent terrorist cells, semi-legitimate government officials, local power brokers, and regular people who happen to support them.
 
2014-07-14 12:42:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Not even close. He's courting the Israel First vote, which is strong in his constituency. He was advised to do this, I'm sure - and it's coming across as the pandering that it is.


QFT

Jewish Jersey Republicans are probably bigger fans of Huckabee (one of my friends from high school - an Orthodox one - is a HUGE Huckster fan) or Romney, and the Jewish Democrats are not going to vote for Christie.

Either because he was "in the tank" for Obama (for not biatch-slapping him on the tarmac and telling him to take his socialism back to Kenya) or Bridgegate, he's not getting out of Jersey.

// though I do slightly object to calling it the "Israel First crowd", I get your point
 
2014-07-14 12:43:27 PM  
"Israel is not sure that they have America's full support like they used to,"

Well, that's sort of just 'noticing the obvious' on Israel's part if that's the case.  One of the big changes in US strategy toward Israel over the last decade (actually starting under Bush) is that we've got tired of their cry-to-mama bullshiat over everything and have started actually requiring them to justify our support by not backing them on things we  don't actually support, like continued settlement of the zones they've agreed by treaty not to settle.

We  don't have their back like we used to, because we  shouldn't.

Also, not to go all "the Jews did this" on the thread, but I think the ulterior motives of a politician in  New Jersey going all Israel-fellating probably have more to do with the demographics of the state and an attempt to pander his way through the next  state election than it does any real attempt toward the Presidency.  They're a much bigger influence in NJ lobby-wise than nationally at this point, and he doesn't really have much chance at the nomination.
 
2014-07-14 12:44:28 PM  
Shut down the bridges in Israel.
 
2014-07-14 12:44:38 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Either because he was "in the tank" for Obama (for not biatch-slapping him on the tarmac and telling him to take his socialism back to Kenya) or Bridgegate, he's not getting out of Jersey.


That's fitting, since no one else could get out of Jersey either.
 
2014-07-14 12:46:49 PM  
Sounds like... he burnt that bridge.

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
 
2014-07-14 12:47:11 PM  
Christie cited the violence sparked by the killing of three Israeli teens and said groups like Hamas "need to be dealt with, and dealt with firmly."

Because Hamas was formed January 22, 2009.

I think the most treasonous thing Obama ever did was loan those farkers his time machine.


And FARK ISRAEL, let them fight their own bullshiat battles.
 
Bf+
2014-07-14 12:52:49 PM  

incendi: It's too late, the Party already knows the hate in your heart is too weak for you to be a fitting vessel for the Party's will.

This


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Obama: "OMG he's literally holding my hand. LOL. He's so farked"
 
2014-07-14 12:53:02 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Wonder if he'll ever get the taste of Adelson ass out of his mouth?


"Sheldon.  Ass.  Good."

- Mitt Romney
 
2014-07-14 12:53:12 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Not even close. He's courting the Israel First vote, which is strong in his constituency. He was advised to do this, I'm sure - and it's coming across as the pandering that it is.

QFT

Jewish Jersey Republicans are probably bigger fans of Huckabee (one of my friends from high school - an Orthodox one - is a HUGE Huckster fan) or Romney, and the Jewish Democrats are not going to vote for Christie.

Either because he was "in the tank" for Obama (for not biatch-slapping him on the tarmac and telling him to take his socialism back to Kenya) or Bridgegate, he's not getting out of Jersey.

// though I do slightly object to calling it the "Israel First crowd", I get your point


Sorry, I meant the Israel First subset of the Jewish vote - and I thought calling it the Jewish vote was unintentionally anti-semitic anyway.  What's the approved form?  (not snarking, just trying to play by the rules)
 
2014-07-14 12:55:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sorry, I meant the Israel First subset of the Jewish vote - and I thought calling it the Jewish vote was unintentionally anti-semitic anyway.  What's the approved form?  (not snarking, just trying to play by the rules)


Well, that's the really weird thing about it - a lot of the Israel First folks are not Jewish, but rather Christian eschatologists.
 
2014-07-14 12:55:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: oldernell: It does look like he's trying to get his derp  on the same level as the other wannabes.

Not even close.  He's courting the Israel First vote, which is strong in his constituency.  He was advised to do this, I'm sure - and it's coming across as the pandering that it is.  I'm fairly certain he's not looking at the Presidency - right now, he has enough problems getting his own power base back into line in New Jersey.

That said, he may still be interested in an honorable retreat from Jersey by way of a Presidential run.  But his advisors should be telling him he has to start talking about bigger failures than this to get on the radar.


I wouldn't be so sure his chances of getting the nomination are over. There's two things to keep in mind:
1. 2016 is still a lifetime away in political terms. Everything can, and likely will, change by then.
2. Truth, consistency, integrity, purported values and logic don't really mean anything to the Republican base. Whatever reasons you might think up which would hurt Christie's chances can and will be promptly ignored whenever necessary without even a second thought. Republicans just have to think that he's their best chance of winning the election and then for so long as the campaign lasts he will be the most conservative Republican in the history of politics. Just look at the mental gymnastics required for Romney being the nominee last time around....... none whatsoever. They just pretended for a few months like everything republicans used to hate him for simply didn't exist - and when pressed would eke out some half-hearted nonsense rationalization. The only thing important to them is winning, as that's the only way they can force the rest of us to adopt their broken ideas and live according to their broken morality.
 
2014-07-14 12:59:49 PM  

lilbjorn: DjangoStonereaver: No Republican from north of the Mason/Dixon line and east of Philadelphia would ever have a hope of
getting a national GOP nod

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Point taken, but in order to get the nod he had to repudiate everything he seemed to stand far as
Governor of Massachusetts, including disowning the fact that he created the template for Obamacare.
 
2014-07-14 01:01:54 PM  

mongbiohazard: I wouldn't be so sure his chances of getting the nomination are over. There's two things to keep in mind:
1. 2016 is still a lifetime away in political terms. Everything can, and likely will, change by then.
2. Truth, consistency, integrity, purported values and logic don't really mean anything to the Republican base. Whatever reasons you might think up which would hurt Christie's chances can and will be promptly ignored whenever necessary without even a second thought. Republicans just have to think that he's their best chance of winning the election and then for so long as the campaign lasts he will be the most conservative Republican in the history of politics. Just look at the mental gymnastics required for Romney being the nominee last time around....... none whatsoever. They just pretended for a few months like everything republicans used to hate him for simply didn't exist - and when pressed would eke out some half-hearted nonsense rationalization. The only thing important to them is winning, as that's the only way they can force the rest of us to adopt their broken ideas and live according to their broken morality.


I would be very surprised if he even gets a small nod in 2016.  First off, he's damaged goods due to his own state issues, secondly, he was actively seen as being willing to work with the political opposition (and you CAN'T have that if you are a true Republican conservative these days).

Sadly, I tend to think the R's will either put a complete clownshoes member of their party up (Rand Paul (most likely), with the distant possibility of a Rick Santorum), or they'll end up actually going back to Romney for a 2nd go (which I can just imagine will be a devastating loss, especially if Hillary runs).
 
2014-07-14 01:02:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Jewish Jersey Republicans are probably bigger fans of Huckabee


Huckabee is barely mentioned here. Most Jews aren't as observant as your friend, they wouldn't vote for McCain because Palin scared them. Otherwise, they are pretty much "anybody but Obama (unless he or she is black)."
 
2014-07-14 01:02:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dr Dreidel: // though I do slightly object to calling it the "Israel First crowd", I get your point

Sorry, I meant the Israel First subset of the Jewish vote - and I thought calling it the Jewish vote was unintentionally anti-semitic anyway.  What's the approved form?  (not snarking, just trying to play by the rules)


Just shows to go - I figured calling it "the Jewish vote", being factually accurate, was the way to go (though assuming Jews vote as a unified bloc in support of everything Israel does is also incorrect). Like I said, I got your point. Since that's the goal of communication, I'm fine leaving it there. So long as your conscience is clear, I'm happy to drop the complaint.

Especially since I can't figure how to phrase it both succinctly and accurately.

// I can't say what is the "approved form" - I don't speak for most Jews (on so many, many topics)
// though...if you're referring to that subset of voters, both Jewish and non, who reflexively support Israel in all foreign affairs (that is, in every international situation in which Israel and not America plays a major part, they support Israel), I have no problem calling it the "Israel First crowd" (to include the Huckster, Santorum, Romney, etc)
// anyway - no harm, no foul
 
2014-07-14 01:07:55 PM  
The GOP lives in a perpetual Obama butterfly effect, where he farts in the Oval Office and it's his fault a tsunami hits Asia. It's kind of insulting to every other country because it removes their agency from any situation and assumes that America should be able to at will impose its policies on sovereign countries. I don't think Israel gives a shiat if Obama loves them as much as Bush did.
 
2014-07-14 01:28:04 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Not even close.  He's courting the Israel First vote, which is strong in his constituency.


yep.. which is why the first thing Booker did upon being sworn in was to try to help push through that Iran sanctions bill.

/and he lost my support because of it
 
2014-07-14 01:29:02 PM  

Diogenes: "Israel is not sure that they have America's full support like they used to," the possible 2016 presidential candidate said...

Because nothing will guarantee peace there like throwing all your support unequivocally to one side.


Because there's a case to be made that people launching missiles deliberately targeting civilians are deserving of our support too.
 
2014-07-14 01:53:03 PM  

damageddude: Dr Dreidel: Jewish Jersey Republicans are probably bigger fans of Huckabee

Huckabee is barely mentioned here. Most Jews aren't as observant as your friend, they wouldn't vote for McCain because Palin scared them. Otherwise, they are pretty much "anybody but Obama (unless he or she is black)."


Sure.

Generally, the more observant tend toward the GOP (I have no idea why. Probably their laser-like focus on morality to the exclusion of all else) while the less observant tend to be Democrats. Population-wise, the numbers favor the less observant (something like 10-to-1*, if the numbers from when I was starting college hold up).

I only mention Huckabee because I find it incredibly weird that he gets support from Orthodox Jewry at all (my friend being but one example in my life), let alone significant support.

* at High Holiday services, the only time many people care enough to go, attendance was 3,000 or so at the Conservative services, and 300 or so at the Orthodox ones. IIRC.
 
2014-07-14 03:02:17 PM  

Dr Dreidel: damageddude: Dr Dreidel: Jewish Jersey Republicans are probably bigger fans of Huckabee

Huckabee is barely mentioned here. Most Jews aren't as observant as your friend, they wouldn't vote for McCain because Palin scared them. Otherwise, they are pretty much "anybody but Obama (unless he or she is black)."

Sure.

Generally, the more observant tend toward the GOP (I have no idea why. Probably their laser-like focus on morality to the exclusion of all else) while the less observant tend to be Democrats. Population-wise, the numbers favor the less observant (something like 10-to-1*, if the numbers from when I was starting college hold up).

I only mention Huckabee because I find it incredibly weird that he gets support from Orthodox Jewry at all (my friend being but one example in my life), let alone significant support.

* at High Holiday services, the only time many people care enough to go, attendance was 3,000 or so at the Conservative services, and 300 or so at the Orthodox ones. IIRC.


My college roommate ultimately became a Rabbi (reform).  He used to go to Arkansas to help with High Holiday services because they really didn't have enough Jewish people there.  And that's even before he was officially in a program at Hebrew Union.  Back in those days he was just a philosophy major like me.

/i was phil-poli-sci
//he was phil-religion
///our fraternity brothers avoided us when we got going on a topic
 
2014-07-14 03:43:22 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Also, not to go all "the Jews did this" on the thread, but I think the ulterior motives of a politician in New Jersey going all Israel-fellating probably have more to do with the demographics of the state and an attempt to pander his way through the next state election than it does any real attempt toward the Presidency. They're a much bigger influence in NJ lobby-wise than nationally at this point, and he doesn't really have much chance at the nomination.


Sheldon Adelson. That's the reason. Christie is still seeking support from Adelson for a run at the presidency. Remember, the day after meeting with Adleson earlier this year, the Republican Governors Association (which Christie leads) came out against internet gambling/poker. (Adleson is a casino owner.)
 
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