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(Times Herald-Record)   New York is spending $100K to a) settle yet another politician's sexual harassment suit b) compensate a wrongly-jailed inmate c) relocate a falcon nesting box   (recordonline.com) divider line 39
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2014-07-14 10:16:30 AM
They're moving from Atlanta?
I know they had a lot of injuries last year, but that price seems awful cheap.
 
2014-07-14 10:17:06 AM
To be fair: how much should you pay someone to climb up a bridge and disturb the nest of an annoyed bird of prey?
 
2014-07-14 10:21:16 AM
and people wonder why taxes in new york are so high.

conservatives don't oppose taxes because they hate the poors or schools or whatever.  it is because of disgraceful waste like this.  this is what you get with big government.  this is why moving health care from the private sector to the public sector will be more expensive.  a private company would never spend $100k to move a falcon.  government would.  and pass the cost on to us.
 
2014-07-14 10:39:04 AM

SlothB77: it is because of disgraceful waste like this. this is what you get with big government. this is why moving health care from the private sector to the public sector will be more expensive.


Did you pull your arm out of the socket making such a stupid reach?
 
2014-07-14 11:11:17 AM

SlothB77: this is why moving health care from the private sector to the public sector will be more expensive.


Will be?

New York already has a Medicaid budget up around $60 billion a year. That's tops for spending in the nation and it's right around what the next two biggest states spend, put together - and Calfornia has a couple million more enrollees than New York.

Somehow, even with that epic amount of public-health spending, the state's health outcomes are 15th out of 50 by this measurement.

Which is good if money is no object, but 14 states that spend far less are doing better.
 
2014-07-14 11:24:47 AM
*sigh*  They're not paying $100k to move a falcon, they're trying to trick the EPA into believing that they are so they can use cheap EPA loans to fund their bridge project.

I'm sure there's a far less idiotic and dishonest way to fund work like this, and I'm equally sure that the reason they're not doing that instead has absolutely nothing to do with republicans blocking infrastructure spending.
 
2014-07-14 12:00:46 PM

dookdookdook: *sigh*  They're not paying $100k to move a falcon, they're trying to trick the EPA into believing that they are so they can use cheap EPA loans to fund their bridge project.

I'm sure there's a far less idiotic and dishonest way to fund work like this, and I'm equally sure that the reason they're not doing that instead has absolutely nothing to do with republicans blocking infrastructure spending.


Derp. The federal loan for the project is already okayed.

And the state legislature doesn't get to vote on this at all. This is Cuomo grabbing half a billion from an environmental fund and using it for election-year papering-over of a growing hole in the Tappan Zee Bridge project budget, which he knows damn well is going to go far over its $3.9b $4.8b lowball budget number.
 
2014-07-14 01:25:16 PM
Man... I didn't even know there was a falcon nesting box relocation union.
 
2014-07-14 02:12:33 PM

Gulper Eel: dookdookdook: *sigh*  They're not paying $100k to move a falcon, they're trying to trick the EPA into believing that they are so they can use cheap EPA loans to fund their bridge project.

I'm sure there's a far less idiotic and dishonest way to fund work like this, and I'm equally sure that the reason they're not doing that instead has absolutely nothing to do with republicans blocking infrastructure spending.

Derp. The federal loan for the project is already okayed.

And the state legislature doesn't get to vote on this at all. This is Cuomo grabbing half a billion from an environmental fund and using it for election-year papering-over of a growing hole in the Tappan Zee Bridge project budget, which he knows damn well is going to go far over its $3.9b $4.8b lowball budget number.


Yep. The correct answer to the headline is "D - None of the Above." They're trying to filch money from an environmental fund to pay for cost overruns on a bridge.

Gulper Eel: New York already has a Medicaid budget up around $60 billion a year. That's tops for spending in the nation and it's right around what the next two biggest states spend, put together - and Calfornia has a couple million more enrollees than New York.

Somehow, even with that epic amount of public-health spending, the state's health outcomes are 15th out of 50 by this measurement.

Which is good if money is no object, but 14 states that spend far less are doing better.


How much is that per capita. New York City has 8 million people. That's more than double the size of any major city in the nation. Looking at total budget is not going to five you any idea of efficiency. A better criteria would be comparing private medical spending in the same area to the public medical spending. Guess what? The public medical costs are better than the private.
 
2014-07-14 04:56:55 PM
We need to get this thread to 1004 responses, and have some cool prize for the winner.
 
2014-07-14 04:58:42 PM

Earguy: We need to get this thread to 1004 responses, and have some cool prize for the winner.


Oh pish, wrong thread
 
2014-07-14 05:43:39 PM
Eh, better c than a or b

SlothB77: and people wonder why taxes in new york are so high.


No they don't
 
2014-07-14 06:04:29 PM
There isn't anything that doesn't suck about New York anyway, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.
 
2014-07-14 09:41:22 PM

Mugato: There isn't anything that doesn't suck about New York anyway, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.


You have never spent any time there, obviously.
 
2014-07-14 10:35:08 PM

Mugato: There isn't anything that doesn't suck about New York anyway, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.


That's not true, it's gotten quite nice since the 80's. Yeah, it's still stupid expensive to live there but if you have friends you can stay with you could do weekend trips for the rest of your life and not run out of things to do.  I spent an entire weekend on the Brooklyn Bridge with a group that gets you into all the nooks and crannies and lets you take pictures, and it was easily in the top five vacations I've ever taken.  I'm including Thailand, Australia, China, and the UK in that category, so it had some pretty stiff competition.  And fark, I love that bridge.
 
2014-07-14 11:54:11 PM
That seems like a perfectly reasonable sum for such a purpose to me.
 
2014-07-15 12:13:02 AM
I'm on Long Island and have got wonderful Mr and Mrs Meadowbrook hunting over my garden, one of them exploded a pigeon 20 feet in front of my eyes. They live on top of the hospital a few blocks from here, they've been there for nearly two decades and reliably crank out new little peregrines every year--it's so cool, we're all so proud. Between the various agencies looking over this pair alone, I wouldn't doubt that the state has already spent 100K, if not more. NYS is very proud of its successful many raptor programs. I'm overtaxed up the wazoo but I don't mind some of my money going to the birds.
 
2014-07-15 12:15:23 AM
Enck wondered out loud why it would cost $100,000 to relocate a falcon nesting box from the old bridge to the new one, but otherwise refrained for discussing the review.

Way to cut to the heart of the matter. Eye of the tiger!

I am neither a huge Cuomo fan nor an official law talkin' guy but it seems to me that the legal grounds for stealing from the water and sewage CWA fund in order to maybe cut down on tolls paid in future on a bridge project may be a little shaky here.

100k also seems a bit much for a new bird house unless it comes with a big screen HD TV with a lifetime supply of free HBO but then NY real estate prices always were kind of nuts.
 
2014-07-15 12:36:27 AM
This matter is for the birds.
 
2014-07-15 01:06:19 AM

Lsherm: Mugato: There isn't anything that doesn't suck about New York anyway, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.

That's not true, it's gotten quite nice since the 80's. Yeah, it's still stupid expensive to live there but if you have friends you can stay with you could do weekend trips for the rest of your life and not run out of things to do.  I spent an entire weekend on the Brooklyn Bridge with a group that gets you into all the nooks and crannies and lets you take pictures, and it was easily in the top five vacations I've ever taken.  I'm including Thailand, Australia, China, and the UK in that category, so it had some pretty stiff competition.  And fark, I love that bridge.


I love that bridge too.
It's magnificent and mesmerizing.
Really is one of those things that can't be captured/depicted in a photograph - has to be seen.
 
2014-07-15 01:46:19 AM

lindalouwho: Lsherm: Mugato: There isn't anything that doesn't suck about New York anyway, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.

That's not true, it's gotten quite nice since the 80's. Yeah, it's still stupid expensive to live there but if you have friends you can stay with you could do weekend trips for the rest of your life and not run out of things to do.  I spent an entire weekend on the Brooklyn Bridge with a group that gets you into all the nooks and crannies and lets you take pictures, and it was easily in the top five vacations I've ever taken.  I'm including Thailand, Australia, China, and the UK in that category, so it had some pretty stiff competition.  And fark, I love that bridge.

I love that bridge too.
It's magnificent and mesmerizing.
Really is one of those things that can't be captured/depicted in a photograph - has to be seen.


The Tappan Zee, on the other hand, is the stupidest farking bridge in history.  It was stupidly located, more corrupt than a 20-year old hard drive and build like crap.  Everyone could save several billion dollars by just buying every house in Hastings on Hudson and building a proper bridge there.
 
2014-07-15 01:48:17 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: To be fair: how much should you pay someone to climb up a bridge and disturb the nest of an annoyed bird of prey?


We're just supposed to let that box fall into the river.  To hell with the environment, we just live in it.
 
2014-07-15 01:49:49 AM
I would gladly meet with anyone who thinks my winged brethren should not have a $100,000 nesting box, and explain to them why this is the wrong view to have.

*swoop*
[falcon shriek]
 
2014-07-15 02:26:06 AM

quatchi: 100k also seems a bit much for a new bird house unless it comes with a big screen HD TV with a lifetime supply of free HBO but then NY real estate prices always were kind of nuts.



Ugh, and you just know there's going to be a Platinum Edition Escalade with $10k rims parked out front!
 
2014-07-15 02:29:19 AM
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2014-07-15 02:30:23 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: To be fair: how much should you pay someone to climb up a bridge and disturb the nest of an annoyed bird of prey?


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2014-07-15 02:31:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: I would gladly meet with anyone who thinks my winged brethren should not have a $100,000 nesting box, and explain to them why this is the wrong view to have.

*swoop*

[falcon shriek]


*ducks*

I hereby officially renounce my former "100 K seems a bit much" comment. After due reflection I was wrong and I now see the error of my ways.

*phew*

/"Never knowingly annoy a bird of prey" is good policy.
 
2014-07-15 07:50:42 AM

Mugato: There isn't anything that doesn't suck about New York anyway, so it doesn't matter what the reason is.


Funny thing about Fark. According to the rules, you can troll millions of people at one fell swoop with a dopy comment like this, but I can't say you're an attention-whoring idiot, because that's "name-calling". So I won't do that.
 
2014-07-15 07:51:30 AM

Wooly Bully: a dopey comment


FTFM
 
2014-07-15 08:38:17 AM

Wooly Bully: Wooly Bully: a dopey comment

FTFM


You'll find it spelled/spelt both ways in the dictionary ;-)

/word nerd
 
2014-07-15 08:58:38 AM

HighOnCraic: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: To be fair: how much should you pay someone to climb up a bridge and disturb the nest of an annoyed bird of prey?

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2014-07-15 08:59:10 AM
You relocated that thing? You're braver than I thought!
 
2014-07-15 09:55:23 AM
What was the falcon?  I'm a raptor enthusiast, but when I went to visit the site it cokblocked me with:

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Kind of suspicious because I was able to read the headline and the first few lines before the groin-chop kicked in and blocked the article from view.
 
2014-07-15 11:12:55 AM

mediablitz: it is because of disgraceful waste like this. this is what you get with big government. this is why moving health care from the private sector to the public sector will be more expensive.


It doesn't take long living in a big city to understand that its not ridiculous to encourage falcons and spend money to help them propagate.   Controlling the rats and pigeons without poisoning everone (including the water supply) and/or leaving bloated rotting pigeon/rat carcasses around is no joke.  I realize that doesn't come up much in Hooterville but it's a real thing in cities.
 
2014-07-15 11:30:00 AM

IvyLady: It doesn't take long living in a big city to understand that its not ridiculous to encourage falcons and spend money to help them propagate.


When the regional EPA administrator is saying "$100K to move a box a couple hundred feet? wtf?"  maybe it really is wasteful.

Especially when even the highball cost for a new nest box is barely one-fiftieth of that.

That farking bridge will cost $10b by the time it's done.
 
2014-07-15 11:41:59 AM
From the story" In an appearance on an Albany television station last week, Enck wondered out loud why it would cost $100,000 to relocate a falcon nesting box from the old bridge to the new one, but otherwise refrained for discussing the review."

So the number is BS, but now we're having a national discussion on the wisdom of spending money on falcon propagation because the yokels in Pottersville have falcons nesting in trees without spending a dime thankyouverymuch.  That's what annoys me.  I realize this is Fark but this isn't the only place I've seen it.

But yes, the $100k number is ridiculous and I'd bet $100k it's totally made up.
 
2014-07-15 11:58:52 AM
Without any knowledge of the situation, 100k may be reasonable if it also includes a scientific study and the cost (plus hazard pay) for the individuals involved in the transfer and the study. Additionally, does the move require the birds to be unconscious? Any associated costs for drugs or applying them? Is there a safety study on the birds or the new location also required (this may be a regulatory study rather than a scientific study)?

Assuming the 100k figure is accurate, I would be hard pressed to believe that the entirety of the 100k is just for a new nest. That's just idiotic to believe.
 
2014-07-15 12:10:16 PM

dookdookdook: *sigh*  They're not paying $100k to move a falcon, they're trying to trick the EPA into believing that they are so they can use cheap EPA loans to fund their bridge project.


DeaH: They're trying to filch money from an environmental fund to pay for cost overruns on a bridge.


You guys got it.

I live near the Tappan Zee, and not one person I've talked to around here has anything good to say about Cuomo other than applauding his support for gay marriage.
 
2014-07-15 12:49:10 PM
I remember once when my car's engine died in a parking lot that was across the street from a gas station. I was angry because they charged me a lot just to show up and hook up my car to the tow truck.
 
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