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(Salon)   Liberal Logic: Let's nationalize Google, Amazon and Facebook, because they're too valuable to leave in the hands of the people who created them and should be handed over to the people who spend $850 million on websites that don't work   (salon.com) divider line 281
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2014-07-14 05:33:55 PM  

Ambivalence: I think the internet should, itself, be classified as a public utility.



Doesn't that open the door to web censorship, in the same way pubic airwaves are censored by the FCC?
 
2014-07-14 05:38:00 PM  

Friction8r: Liberals sure do get their dander up when someone says "liberal."


And they had to flee to the word liberal once Progressives were caught supporting things like euthanasia, forced sterilization, and a fondness of Hitler. Lefty academia ruined the word for them.
 
2014-07-14 05:48:00 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Friction8r: Liberals sure do get their dander up when someone says "liberal."

And they had to flee to the word liberal once Progressives were caught supporting things like euthanasia, forced sterilization, and a fondness of Hitler. Lefty academia ruined the word for them.


HA HA! You listen to Glenn Beck!
 
2014-07-14 05:54:33 PM  

umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?


The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.
 
2014-07-14 06:01:10 PM  

HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?

The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.


Then I have a funny way of showing it as I have never voted for one of their candidates.
 
2014-07-14 06:04:21 PM  
Fark Troll Logic: The Politics Tab doesn't smell bad enough - let's stink up the Geek Tab with our shiat, too!
 
2014-07-14 06:19:09 PM  
It would be much smarter to turn them into non profit entities, and turn their massive revenue generation systems into free money machines for infrastructure and social welfare projects.
 
2014-07-14 06:25:40 PM  

fluffy2097: It would be much smarter to turn them into non profit entities, and turn their massive revenue generation systems into free money machines for infrastructure and social welfare projects.


Dude, you're, like, a farking GENIUS!! when it comes to spending other people's money.
 
2014-07-14 06:36:39 PM  

umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?

The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.

Then I have a funny way of showing it as I have never voted for one of their candidates.


HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat.

 
2014-07-14 06:39:33 PM  

Phinn: Dude, you're, like, a farking GENIUS!! when it comes to spending other people's money.


It's hardly their money.

It's simply money that has appeared out of thin air because we decide that when you sit on a stack of cash large enough to run a small nation and keep it in a bank, it should become more valuable over time because reasons.
 
2014-07-14 06:43:48 PM  

HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?

The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.

Then I have a funny way of showing it as I have never voted for one of their candidates.

HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat.


I don't care if you believe me. But thanks for proving my point for me. You aren't special. There are a ton of conservatives that don't follow the party line too, whether you choose to believe in them or not. That you are so adamant that they don't exist just so happens to be the exact farking thing I accused you idiots of and you walked right into it and backed me up. Hilarious.
 
2014-07-14 06:47:34 PM  

umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?

The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.

Then I have a funny way of showing it as I have never voted for one of their candidates.

HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat.

I don't care if you believe me. But thanks for proving my point for me. You aren't special. There are a ton of conservatives that don't follow the party line too, whether you choose to believe in them or not. That you are so adamant that they don't exist just so happens to be the exact farking thing I accused you idiots of and you walked right into it and backed me up. Hilarious.


I didn't say they don't exist.  I said you're not one of them.  Because I read your posts, and I know you.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.
 
2014-07-14 06:51:40 PM  

HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?

The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.

Then I have a funny way of showing it as I have never voted for one of their candidates.

HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat.

I don't care if you believe me. But thanks for proving my point for me. You aren't special. There are a ton of conservatives that don't follow the party line too, whether you choose to believe in them or not. That you are so adamant that they don't exist just so happens to be the exact farking thing I accused you idiots of and you walked right into it and backed me up. Hilarious.

I didn't say they don't exist.  I said you're not one of them.  Because I read your posts, and I know you.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.


Bullshiat
 
2014-07-14 06:54:55 PM  
I hope he gets fired for writing that.
 
2014-07-14 06:55:19 PM  

umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: umad: HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat

What is?

The idea that you don't support Republicans.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.

Then I have a funny way of showing it as I have never voted for one of their candidates.

HeartBurnKid: Bullshiat.

I don't care if you believe me. But thanks for proving my point for me. You aren't special. There are a ton of conservatives that don't follow the party line too, whether you choose to believe in them or not. That you are so adamant that they don't exist just so happens to be the exact farking thing I accused you idiots of and you walked right into it and backed me up. Hilarious.

I didn't say they don't exist.  I said you're not one of them.  Because I read your posts, and I know you.  You're a classic Fark Independent™.

Bullshiat


No, I'm pretty confident in that one.  All I've ever seen you do is talk trash and spread lies about Democrats and liberals.  If you've ever had a single bad thing to say about a Republican, or a single good thing to say about a Democrat or a liberal, I missed it completely.
 
2014-07-14 07:18:14 PM  

DubyaHater: It's part of King Obama's plan.  He's already nationalized healthcare, sissified the military, and taxed us beyond our means.  Why not start nationalizing private enterprise?  It's the next logical step.


Actually, he didn't nationalize healthcare.  If he had, we would have probably gotten a much better system.  What we got is a system that pays companies to provide services, which is going to be a mess in light of Citizens United.
 
2014-07-14 07:36:10 PM  
Who is so damned stupid they don't know the difference between a governmentally regulated monopoly and a nationalized industry?
 
2014-07-14 07:37:01 PM  

Swampmaster: PS:  Don't tell Salon about the long lease fiber all over the country, plus under sea cable companies, nor about all those pesky fereniers; who might have a thing to say about the US Government owning their intra-tubez...
PSS: I betcha this Salon author has to pay comcast or AT&T a monthly cable/dsl bill; don't ja know.
PSSS: Free Internet at the Library, well, until the County closes down all the libraries 'cause they ran out of tax dollars to spend on "Free"... ouch.
PSSSS: You keep using that word 'FREE'; I don't think it means what you think it means...


I think you mean:
PS
PSS or PPS
PPPS
PPPPS

"Sometimes, when additional points are made after the Boobiesscript, abbreviations such as PSS (post-super-scriptum), PPS (postquam-post-scriptum) and PPPS (post-post-post-scriptum, and so on,)..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postscript
 
2014-07-14 07:38:58 PM  

fluffy2097: Phinn: Dude, you're, like, a farking GENIUS!! when it comes to spending other people's money.

It's hardly their money.

It's simply money that has appeared out of thin air because we decide that when you sit on a stack of cash large enough to run a small nation and keep it in a bank, it should become more valuable over time because reasons.


Actually it is their money, since it is in their name at the bank.

And it becomes valuable over time due to interest. You see, banks take your deposit and use that to lend out money, and in return, give you part of the interest they earn from lending it out. It's not exactly "reasons".
 
2014-07-14 08:36:21 PM  

xkillyourfacex: Quantumbunny: both in small towns like Santa Fe and in larger ones like Denver

Where do you live that Santa Fe is a small town and Denver is a large town? Here in rural south central Colorado we call both Santa Fe and Denver "big cities".


Born in Denver, currently living in Santa Fe. To me 70k people is a small town. I should probably have called Denver a large city, but either way. Basically I was trying to get at the point that in all towns/cities affected by the moving in of a Barnes and Noble or a Borders... a Blockbuster... even Lowe's, Home Depot, etc... They are looking at profitability. Even in the hugely unlikely scenario a little town of 4000 has a bookstore or two to be displaced, it is unlikely the cost benefit would have looked good to a larger chain. And in all of those towns/cities I've seen, there are still mom and pop bookstores.

Frankly towns under the size of about 10 or 20 grand that don't have at least their own post office, a few gas stations, grocery store, a distribution port of some kind (airport, harbor, train depot)... These are unattractive as business options to chains. And not to sound like an ass, but frankly are too insignificant to be included in these kinds of discussions.

I'd honestly imagine outside of Netflix's physical mailing and Amazon shipping (likely not prime available) that policies of large companies and possibly being displaced by chains is just not really relevant.
 
2014-07-14 08:44:11 PM  

HoratioGates: Boobiesscript


Much more popular than javascript!

I love all these young libertarian Aspergers-sufferers all over the web who post their "liberal logic" and "feminist logic" strawmen. Yes, you are truly the XXLogic420MasterXX and you're definitely not just oversimplifying or cherry-picking extreme examples to make yourself feel smart.

This rant might not really be all that relevant to this thread. But I don't care; I'm cranky.
 
2014-07-14 08:52:23 PM  

machoprogrammer: fluffy2097: Phinn: Dude, you're, like, a farking GENIUS!! when it comes to spending other people's money.

It's hardly their money.

It's simply money that has appeared out of thin air because we decide that when you sit on a stack of cash large enough to run a small nation and keep it in a bank, it should become more valuable over time because reasons.

Actually it is their money, since it is in their name at the bank.

And it becomes valuable over time due to interest. You see, banks take your deposit and use that to lend out money, and in return, give you part of the interest they earn from lending it out. It's not exactly "reasons".


And where do people put money they have just borrowed?

In the bank...

And what does the bank do?

Lend it out again (well 90% of it)

can you see how it works now?

How they start with all the money in the first place, then they lend it out and keep doing that until they have lent out the same money so many times that they can make more in profit every year than the actual amount of real money in the world...

Then you just call in a few debts and you can cause a crash meaning that, as you have all the real money in the world, you can just buy whatever becomes really cheap, like gold or houses.

Quite incredible really, you have to hand it to them.
 
2014-07-14 10:16:07 PM  
lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl

adjective
1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
* favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.
* (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.

In what fool's dictionary is nationalizing a private business "liberal"?
 
2014-07-14 10:54:31 PM  

Frederf: In what fool's dictionary is nationalizing a private business "liberal"?


Ever since the late-19th century when leftists co-opted the word.
 
2014-07-14 10:58:28 PM  
Subby, I don't blame you for every silly thing Fox News says, so no fair blaming me when Salon or Jezebel decides to publish a crazy person to gain hits.
 
2014-07-14 11:07:53 PM  

dready zim: And where do people put money they have just borrowed?

In the bank...

And what does the bank do?

Lend it out again (well 90% of it)

can you see how it works now?

How they start with all the money in the first place, then they lend it out and keep doing that until they have lent out the same money so many times that they can make more in profit every year than the actual amount of real money in the world...

Then you just call in a few debts and you can cause a crash meaning that, as you have all the real money in the world, you can just buy whatever becomes really cheap, like gold or houses.

Quite incredible really, you have to hand it to them.


Banks can't call in debt if it isn't in the contract of the loan.

And unless you are an idiot, you use a FDIC insured bank, so you don't lose your deposits if it does crash.

And the legitimacey of banks isn't the point of his post, just his saying that Google, FB, etc deposits grow because "reasons", which is not true at all if you have the least bit of financial knowledge
 
2014-07-14 11:14:56 PM  

jst3p: mjbok: Headso: Jim_Callahan: The modern internet owes its existence to the Google corporation to a FAR greater degree than the opposite.

lol

The original statement wasn't mine, but I don't see how it is LOL worthy.  Google, as a company, probably had more to do with shaping the current internet than any other publicly known company.  Google wouldn't have existed without the internet, but Google is now a verb for a reason.

The part in bold is what makes it lol worthy.



"...Windows wouldn't have existed without desktop computers, but 'Windows' refers to something other than glass panes for a reason."

Yeah, that logic's completely laughable.
 
2014-07-14 11:36:41 PM  

MindStalker: damageddude: It wasn't that long ago where Microsoft was the monopoly

Nobody (that was anybody) wanted Microsoft broken up or owned by the government. People were just saying that they needed more oversight and forced to stop their arguably illegal bundling of products.


How dare they bundle a browser with an operating system!  Instead they should have no browser at all and we can use our AOL cds to install a browser.
 
2014-07-14 11:39:55 PM  
www.dvd-covers.org

Yeah but remember how bad this was?
 
2014-07-15 02:56:00 AM  

spamdog: [www.dvd-covers.org image 850x571]

Yeah but remember how bad this was?


That critic quote... at the top. It sounds familiar...

www.dvd-covers.org

Is that the stock quote they always give for bad movies? They pay a critic to drop "An [adjective] thrill ride!" deuce on the box? How prevalent is that quote? Can we find other movies with it?
 
2014-07-15 10:45:03 AM  

spamdog: HoratioGates: Boobiesscript


Much more popular than javascript!

I love all these young libertarian Aspergers-sufferers all over the web who post their "liberal logic" and "feminist logic" strawmen. Yes, you are truly the XXLogic420MasterXX and you're definitely not just oversimplifying or cherry-picking extreme examples to make yourself feel smart.

This rant might not really be all that relevant to this thread. But I don't care; I'm cranky.


More to the point, I'm not really sure how your post is relevant to my post since I'm not a libertarian (or an Aspergers sufferer).  I'm a liberal (although I think this idea is daffy) and pro-feminist.
 
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