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(Salon)   Liberal Logic: Let's nationalize Google, Amazon and Facebook, because they're too valuable to leave in the hands of the people who created them and should be handed over to the people who spend $850 million on websites that don't work   (salon.com) divider line 281
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2014-07-14 02:11:38 AM  
The NSA knows it can't compete with them on the surveillance front, so it's just going to buy them out instead.
 
2014-07-14 02:35:37 AM  
Apparently, Salon is channeling Karl Marx more than usual.
 
2014-07-14 04:33:04 AM  
I think the internet should, itself, be classified as a public utility.  But that doesn't mean it should be nationalized since, as we all know, private companies can own public utilities (electric companies, water utilities, trash disposal, they are often owned by private companies).  There are just more rules involved to defend the "public" from private abuse.

This would be especially useful in the case of telcom companies as a way to strengthen net neutrality rules.

But that's just me.  I do not speak for anyone but myself.
 
2014-07-14 05:57:21 AM  
subby once again confuses some random crackpot on Salon with the liberals that don't live in his head.
 
2014-07-14 07:39:11 AM  
I support this and all far left guys, if only to show Americans what a real far left position is, so we can move the conversation back towards the middle.
 
2014-07-14 07:51:21 AM  
This is the first I've heard of this and I've been at the meetings.
 
2014-07-14 07:56:55 AM  

EvilEgg: I support this and all far left guys, if only to show Americans what a real far left position is, so we can move the conversation back towards the middle.


Bernie Sanders for president: you wanna see what an actual Socialist would do?
 
2014-07-14 08:00:34 AM  
If anything will turn Zuckerberg into a conservative it would be this unlikely scenario.
 
2014-07-14 08:02:32 AM  
Fark.gov....echo chamber....echo....echo
 
2014-07-14 08:04:40 AM  
Knowing that this article is troll bait, I'll still bite:

It wasn't that long ago where Microsoft was the monopoly that was going to take over the world, and people were worried about Borders and Barnes and Noble killing all the little bookstores while Blockbuster was eliminating the mom and pop video stores. Now, two of those companies are gone and Microsoft isn't the dominate player it was. Today it's a Google/Amazon world. Tomorrow it will be somebody else.

However, broadband should be regulated like other public utilities. They are all the keys to our economy.
 
hej
2014-07-14 08:10:19 AM  
They didn't build that.
 
2014-07-14 08:10:40 AM  

Chris Ween: If anything will turn Zuckerberg into a conservative it would be this unlikely scenario.


You think the guy who wants to abolish public schools and replace them with facebook is a liberal?
 
2014-07-14 08:11:15 AM  
WTF?

Is this "Liberal Logic" something Republicans do to help them sleep at night?
 
2014-07-14 08:11:39 AM  
B-b-buh-but it's all BUSH's FAULT!!!!
 
2014-07-14 08:12:00 AM  

themindiswatching: subby once again confuses some random crackpot on Salon with the liberals that don't live in his head.


QFT.
 
2014-07-14 08:12:40 AM  
Sometimes I want to shake people and yell, "WHY ARE YOU BEING THE STRAW MAN PEOPLE ARGUE AGAINST?"
 
2014-07-14 08:15:33 AM  

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: Sometimes I want to shake people and yell, "WHY ARE YOU BEING THE STRAW MAN PEOPLE ARGUE AGAINST?"


Ad revenue. This isn't honest work.
 
2014-07-14 08:17:16 AM  
It's part of King Obama's plan.  He's already nationalized healthcare, sissified the military, and taxed us beyond our means.  Why not start nationalizing private enterprise?  It's the next logical step.
 
2014-07-14 08:17:54 AM  

damageddude: It wasn't that long ago where Microsoft was the monopoly


Nobody (that was anybody) wanted Microsoft broken up or owned by the government. People were just saying that they needed more oversight and forced to stop their arguably illegal bundling of products.
 
2014-07-14 08:22:49 AM  

DubyaHater: It's part of King Obama's plan.  He's already nationalized healthcare, sissified the military, and taxed us beyond our means.  Why not start nationalizing private enterprise?  It's the next logical step.


That's Emperor Obama... show some respect heathen!!!
 
2014-07-14 08:23:30 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: This is the first I've heard of this and I've been at the meetings.


The thing is that at the meetings only stuff on the docket gets discussed.

You need to go to the meeting at Applebee's AFTER the meetings where they discuss what's going to be on the docket for next week.  That's when they put together the list and decide how it's going to play out.

They've got a deal where they'll honor the $.50 wings and $1 drafts deal they do on Tuesday night.
 
2014-07-14 08:24:25 AM  

enry: EvilEgg: I support this and all far left guys, if only to show Americans what a real far left position is, so we can move the conversation back towards the middle.

Bernie Sanders for president: you wanna see what an actual Socialist would do?


Yes actually
 
2014-07-14 08:24:38 AM  
Benghazi!
 
2014-07-14 08:25:10 AM  
Like all private companies, Google's, Amazon's & Facebook's websites have worked 100% perfectly 100% of the time right from the very instant they first launched.
 
2014-07-14 08:25:28 AM  

meat0918: Is this "Liberal Logic" something Republicans do to help them sleep at night  get it up?


Conservative Viagra.
 
2014-07-14 08:25:41 AM  

Skarekrough: I_Am_Weasel: This is the first I've heard of this and I've been at the meetings.

The thing is that at the meetings only stuff on the docket gets discussed.

You need to go to the meeting at Applebee's AFTER the meetings where they discuss what's going to be on the docket for next week.  That's when they put together the list and decide how it's going to play out.

They've got a deal where they'll honor the $.50 wings and $1 drafts deal they do on Tuesday night.


Which Applebees? The one near the highway or the one just off 2nd Street?
 
2014-07-14 08:25:44 AM  
Publicly funded technology built Big Tech

Ok I'll go along with this much. American DOD spending built most of the internet's underlying technologies. Licensing fees should be paid.

Also then we would have to let go of controlling other countries' DNS. Which is fine because we don't need it. We're just trading away our own investment in return for getting to play with the rest of the world's internets. We've paid to design the biggest information thing ever. Why are we not making money on this?
 
2014-07-14 08:33:33 AM  

slayer199: Salon is channeling Karl Marx more than usual.


All they need to add is "nationalize the white farms" and they can channel Robert Mugabe too.
 
2014-07-14 08:34:33 AM  
Nationalize ALL the THINGS!
 
MFK
2014-07-14 08:35:17 AM  

damageddude: Knowing that this article is troll bait, I'll still bite:

It wasn't that long ago where Microsoft was the monopoly that was going to take over the world, and people were worried about Borders and Barnes and Noble killing all the little bookstores while Blockbuster was eliminating the mom and pop video stores. Now, two of those companies are gone and Microsoft isn't the dominate player it was. Today it's a Google/Amazon world. Tomorrow it will be somebody else.

However, broadband should be regulated like other public utilities. They are all the keys to our economy.


well... Microsoft still wholly dominates the PC market, Barnes & Noble and Borders actually DID kill off little bookstores and Blockbuster really did eliminate all the mom and pop video stores long before the end of widespread use of DVDs.
 
2014-07-14 08:39:28 AM  

dookdookdook: The NSA knows it can't compete with them on the surveillance front, so it's just going to buy them out instead.


Actually, if they were nationalized, the NSA could not use them as a platform for spying.  The reason they can be used is their third party status. . .governed by wire tap laws, not the 4th Amendment.
 
2014-07-14 08:41:32 AM  

mistrmind: B-b-buh-but it's all BUSH's FAULT!!!!



Dude, Al Gore invented the Internets.
How else was he going to spread his Global Warming cult?
 
2014-07-14 08:41:34 AM  
As one of the Liberal Illuminati, I have been chosen to change the Google logo..
stuffpoint.com
 
2014-07-14 08:42:37 AM  
The central banks must love this idea. Just think of all the cash we will need to borrow to keep them propped up.
 
2014-07-14 08:42:49 AM  
Oh, if any crackpot can speak for all, then hell, Conservatives think the White Race is superior and that blacks should be put back into slavery.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-14 08:43:28 AM  
The author doesn't seem to realize that nationalizing something and regulating it as a public utility are different things.
 
2014-07-14 08:43:57 AM  
Conservative logic: No, I don't actually understand how facts, rhetoric, or words work, but I don't need to because Obummer is the WORST President in the USA history and global warming is a hox and Obamacare is socialism and fascism taking over this country like Rush and Reagan warned us it would back in 1984 and why do you keep asking me if this is a runon sentence.
 
2014-07-14 08:44:13 AM  
Let them. Only liberal welfare queens siphoning away at the government teet use the Facebook anyway. Conservative Americans are too busy working to make sure there is food on the shelves so you namby pamby art school dropouts can dash through the aisles on your Rascals, zip past the real food, and buy your Little Debbies and Chocotacos with your EBT cards.
 
2014-07-14 08:45:07 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Oh, if any crackpot can speak for all, then hell, Conservatives think the White Race is superior and that blacks should be put back into slavery.


Isn't that what their latest spokes-model out in Nevada said?
 
2014-07-14 08:45:51 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Chris Ween: If anything will turn Zuckerberg into a conservative it would be this unlikely scenario.

You think the guy who wants to abolish public schools and replace them with facebook is a liberal?


You actually think he means anything he says?
 
2014-07-14 08:46:02 AM  

MFK: Barnes & Noble and Borders actually DID kill off little bookstores


Honestly, all they did was kill the bookstores that wouldn't have survived the market anyways (think big box stores and Amazon).  I know it is different in small towns, but there are still a ton of bookstores in metro areas.  They just learned that they had to change their target audience and specialize.
 
2014-07-14 08:48:19 AM  
I don't agree with it but I could see an argument for why google could be utility like but how the fark is amazon? just because the editorialist uses it to get specialty foods and electronics?
 
2014-07-14 08:48:21 AM  
That guy sure took care of that strawman he set up in the first place!
 
2014-07-14 08:49:39 AM  

damageddude: Knowing that this article is troll bait, I'll still bite:

It wasn't that long ago where Microsoft was the monopoly that was going to take over the world, and people were worried about Borders and Barnes and Noble killing all the little bookstores while Blockbuster was eliminating the mom and pop video stores. Now, two of those companies are gone and Microsoft isn't the dominate player it was. Today it's a Google/Amazon world. Tomorrow it will be somebody else.

However, broadband should be regulated like other public utilities. They are all the keys to our economy.


Yep.
 
2014-07-14 08:51:38 AM  
Let's nationalize subby's mom.
 
2014-07-14 08:54:01 AM  
Hey, right wingers:

This is what a crazy nutso left winger sounds like.  You might notice how few of us "evil partisan librul sheep" are agreeing.
 
2014-07-14 08:57:25 AM  
Conservative Logic: _________________.

The Complete, Unabridged Edition
 
2014-07-14 08:58:07 AM  

Ambivalence: I think the internet should, itself, be classified as a public utility.  But that doesn't mean it should be nationalized since, as we all know, private companies can own public utilities (electric companies, water utilities, trash disposal, they are often owned by private companies).  There are just more rules involved to defend the "public" from private abuse.

This would be especially useful in the case of telcom companies as a way to strengthen net neutrality rules.

But that's just me.  I do not speak for anyone but myself.


I was going to say:   The author is an idiot, but the idea of telecoms as public utilities has done wonders for my hometown.   For $35/month, you get 20/20 fiberoptic to the house.   And everything - tech support, call center, etc - is local.  If I have a problem, I call a local number, talk to people I see at the ballpark on a regular basis, and they almost always send someone out in less than 24 hours.

But the telecoms got scared shiatless, and like in several other states they bribed the NC General Assembly into making it virtually impossible for other cities in North Carolina to do the same.  Two dozen cities were watching how Greenlight take off, and started exploring their own municipal bond projects.  The General Assembly even had the audacity to call it the "Level Playing Field Act".

And now that they've got their effective monopolies, Slime-Warner and Comcast have done jack shiat to improve their existing cable infrastructure.  Why should TWC care?  The only place they've had to lower their rates due to real competition is in Wilson County.
 
2014-07-14 08:58:50 AM  
Like many other libs in this thread, I'd literally never once heard anyone argue for nationalization of these companies.

So while the person who made this silly argument may be a "liberal", that doesn't make this silly argument "liberal logic".
 
2014-07-14 08:58:54 AM  
No no, this makes perfect sense. It's all part of Chairman Obamao's Great Socialist Plot, because if regulating something like a public utility is tantamount to nationalizing all businesses that use that public utility, then all businesses are, in fact, nationalized. Just as Alinsky intended.
 
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