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(Israel National News)   Israel's attacks in Gaza are legal and follow all requirements under International Law says...A) Israel's Prime Minister, B) Israel's military, or C) the Palestinian envoy to the UN Human Rights Council   (israelnationalnews.com) divider line 427
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-14 08:54:40 AM  
The Palestinian Authority's envoy to the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) has said the PA has no hope of pressing charges against Israel in international courts - because Palestinian terrorist groups are far worse violators of international law themselves. - FTFA

Yes, that says that Israeli attacks are legal all right.
 
2014-07-14 08:56:01 AM  
I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.
 
2014-07-14 09:13:22 AM  
If subby's trolling ass had been right, I would have just said screw it. Push it.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-14 09:36:36 AM  

vpb: Yes, that says that Israeli attacks are legal all right.


The article also says this:

In stark contrast, he noted how "many of our people in Gaza appeared on TV and said that the Israeli army warned them to evacuate their homes before the bombardment."

"In such a case, if someone is killed, the (international) law considers it a mistake rather than an intentional killing, because (the Israelis) followed the legal procedures," he explained.
 
2014-07-14 09:42:29 AM  

nmrsnr: vpb: Yes, that says that Israeli attacks are legal all right.

The article also says this:

In stark contrast, he noted how "many of our people in Gaza appeared on TV and said that the Israeli army warned them to evacuate their homes before the bombardment."

"In such a case, if someone is killed, the (international) law considers it a mistake rather than an intentional killing, because (the Israelis) followed the legal procedures," he explained.


Israel has lots of practice in how to do bombing of random houses legally.
 
2014-07-14 09:43:18 AM  

vpb: The Palestinian Authority's envoy to the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) has said the PA has no hope of pressing charges against Israel in international courts - because Palestinian terrorist groups are far worse violators of international law themselves. - FTFA

Yes, that says that Israeli attacks are legal all right.


65 UN resolutions may have something to do with it too.
 
2014-07-14 09:43:23 AM  
Israelis' are nice enough to know on your roof first before they blow your shiat up. Some people seem to have a problem with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSPsI9-ge8  (wait, wait, wait for it)
 
2014-07-14 09:43:30 AM  
Anyone who finds this denouncement surprising needs to study the situation until they understand it's not a strictly bi-polar conflict of two totally unified sides. The PA wants Hamas defeated, so that they can go back to ruling both sides of Palestine, and stop having Hamas make them look bad for not being as belligerent.
 
2014-07-14 09:43:32 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


Ask the Philly cops.
 
2014-07-14 09:45:53 AM  
Israel is doing what she needs to do.  Did they decide to take these actions because they were bored?

Hamas launches rockets, they pay the price.

/Fark Hamas
 
2014-07-14 09:47:50 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


What would you recommend for a situation in which rockets are stored in an apartment building, and nightly fired from the roof of said building into an adjacent neighborhood?

If you do nothing, eventually the rockets will get through your defense. If you try and send troops in, you'll likely get into a firefight that will leave many on both sides dead.

Chris Hayes on his show said something that resonated with me on the subject. To paraphrase "there can be no question of moral equivalence between Hamas and the IDF. Hamas openly says it targets civilians, and does not shy from targeting women and children. The IDF on the other hand never deliberately targets women and children, and goes so far as to warn families to evacuate if their building is being targeted. On the other hand, there can be no question as to who has the highest death toll. Hamas attacks kill or wounds single digits to a dozen people, while Israeli attacks kill or wound dozens. So the question is how many bodies does good intention get you? How many bodies should be ignored because they weren't the intended targets?"
 
2014-07-14 09:48:37 AM  
Step 1: Force people to live under apartheid condition so miserable, they revolts time to time.
Step 2: Use those actions by a few to justify collective punishment.
Step 3: Kill a few thousand civilians, women and children and level their houses
Step 4: Grab those now level grounds and build more houses for your own people.
Step 5: Profit, rinse and repeat.

The best part, your tax dollars are being used for step 3.
 
2014-07-14 09:48:52 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


Apparently if you let people know that you'll be destroying their house tomorrow so they should GTFO then everything's cool.

nmrsnr: In stark contrast, he noted how "many of our people in Gaza appeared on TV and said that the Israeli army warned them to evacuate their homes before the bombardment."

"In such a case, if someone is killed, the (international) law considers it a mistake rather than an intentional killing, because (the Israelis) followed the legal procedures," he explained.


So if Hamas sent out a broadcast each day saying "we're rocketing your neighborhood tomorrow between 3 and 6 PM, make sure you're not home or you might get hurt"...

/no dog in this fight, and well past the point of caring either way, just watching from the sidelines.
 
2014-07-14 09:49:38 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


When terrorists groups are using civilian neighborhoods as shields and notifications are sent to the neighborhoods saying "Your neighborhood has been infiltrated with terrorist groups, if you don't want to get blown up leave immediately."

It sucks to be them, but it's not the Israel's fault that the terrorists groups are attempting to use them as human shields.
 
2014-07-14 09:50:01 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


They get a free pass for life. Why? Because holocaust.
 
2014-07-14 09:50:59 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


Eh. This is a terrorist campaign. Part of that means 'civilian' housing may be anything but.

And it's not like terrorists are completely unwilling to hide one missile flinging dude in an apartment of 20 units.

Since Israel told people to evacuate, and everyone in the area is intimately familiar with the mechanisms of both sides, I can't have a ton of sympathy honestly. It sucks if you're destitute and can't afford to move, but honestly, if it's your life or your families life, you should probably find a way to MOVE OUT OF A DAMN ACTIVE WAR ZONE.
 
2014-07-14 09:51:02 AM  

Truther: Israel is doing what she needs to do.  Did they decide to take these actions because they were bored?

Hamas launches rockets, they pay the price.

/Fark Hamas


Are they really paying the price though? Or are they just letting the civilians they live among pay the price, while they emerge from hiding and blame the Israelis for all their problems?
 
2014-07-14 09:51:21 AM  

nmrsnr: The IDF on the other hand never deliberately targets women and children


lol
 
2014-07-14 09:51:23 AM  
Time to freeze Israeli assets.

/is freezing kosher?
 
2014-07-14 09:51:38 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


I'm seeing decent balanced reporting by ALL sides.  BBC, AJ, Haaretz, my Google News aggregation.

What I am also seeing are the hardcore Zionist Super Jews going absolutely apeshiat because not everyone is reporting that the breaking clouds shaft of sunlight halo affect isn't happening on Israel the way they wanted.

Also notice that there isn't a whole lot of international condemnation going on right now.  A couple weak UN and SC votes here and there, as usual.

Funny how all the easy sniping about water taking and settlement building has gone away for now.  Sort of a moot point.

Yes, if people are shooting BS across your borders, you get to do something about it.  Take care of business and wrap it up quick.

No, I'm not going to applaud you, but also not going to condemn you.  Do what you have to do.

To your specific point - Hamas has years of history of civilian shields and that  tunnel BS.  So warn the civilians, then stomp out the tunnels, then go back to peace, hopefully.
 
2014-07-14 09:51:54 AM  

Target Builder: Apparently if you let people know that you'll be destroying their house tomorrow so they should GTFO then everything's cool.


Apparently it is also OK to cover neighborhoods in white phosphorous if you just say it's a smoke screen.
 
2014-07-14 09:52:48 AM  

Truther: Israel is doing what she needs to do.  Did they decide to take these actions because they were bored?

Hamas launches rockets, they pay the price.

/Fark Hamas


So you are OK with your entire family getting killed by some dude because your neighbor throw rock at that dude (and missed).

/Who gives a fark about Hamas? That is a completely and utterly non-issue used by matherfarking ****sucking Israel to indiscriminately kill 5 year old innocent kids.

//Fark Isreal
 
2014-07-14 09:53:19 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


When they have launched over a thousand precision munitions and only 200 are killed, what does that tell you? That they are randomly bombing civilians? Or that they are carefully planning their targets?

The fact si they call ahead, drop a dummy "warning" bomb and peopel choose to stay.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182716

there is peopel rushing to the roof after the warnign bomb.
 
2014-07-14 09:55:15 AM  
The governments of Palestine and Israel are both assholes. But Israel's government is the one in the position of power; only THEY have the power to end the conflict. As long as Palestinians are treated as second-class citizens, they'll support people who they feel will fight back.
 
2014-07-14 09:56:09 AM  

mayIFark: That is a completely and utterly non-issue


Yeah, we know you think lobbing hundreds of rockets at jews is a non-issue, people that don't hate them don't share your feelings.
 
2014-07-14 09:56:54 AM  

Target Builder: So if Hamas sent out a broadcast each day saying "we're rocketing your neighborhood tomorrow between 3 and 6 PM, make sure you're not home or you might get hurt"...


It's be better, but then they wouldn't be killing people, which is what they want.

HotWingConspiracy: nmrsnr: The IDF on the other hand never deliberately targets women and children

lol


Well, I'm glad that's settled. I'm humbled by your brilliant counterpoint.
 
2014-07-14 09:57:26 AM  

LordJiro: But Israel's government is the one in the position of power; only THEY have the power to end the conflict. As long as Palestinians are treated as second-class citizens, they'll support people who they feel will fight back


So Hamas both has no power and has the power to fight back.


Ok.
 
2014-07-14 09:58:48 AM  

mayIFark: Step 1: Force people to live under apartheid condition so miserable, they revolts time to time.
Step 2: Use those actions by a few to justify collective punishment.
Step 3: Kill a few thousand civilians, women and children and level their houses
Step 4: Grab those now level grounds and build more houses for your own people.
Step 5: Profit, rinse and repeat.

The best part, your tax dollars are being used for step 3.


Cool
Could you list anything that would look like a solution?
Egypt wont let the cross into Egypt because they are wackjob terrorists.
Israel wont let them cross into Israel because they are wackjob terrorists.
Whenever things calm down enough, they launch more rockets.

Strange, couldnt the money and energy being spent on rockets be spent on bettering the lives of people in Gaza?
NAH, their goal is to destroy Israel, not fix their problems.
 
2014-07-14 09:59:20 AM  
Is burning children alive really a legal action even with a warning?

ecx.images-amazon.com

/Look out kid. Full of gas.
 
2014-07-14 09:59:25 AM  

Arkanaut: Truther: Israel is doing what she needs to do.  Did they decide to take these actions because they were bored?

Hamas launches rockets, they pay the price.

/Fark Hamas

Are they really paying the price though? Or are they just letting the civilians they live among pay the price, while they emerge from hiding and blame the Israelis for all their problems?


That is a fair question.  But Hamas uses civilian buildings/apartments to launch their rockets.  What should Israel do?

Who wouldn't prefer it if Israel could somehow target the exact leaders who are authorizing these crimes?  But that is nearly impossible, so they target the buildings that they know rockets are fired from.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft for a very long time - but so many people forget or don't know that they get farked by the rest of the Middle East as well.  Jordan?  Egypt? Syria?  They haven't done shiat to help out the Palestinians...
 
2014-07-14 09:59:50 AM  

mayIFark: Truther: Israel is doing what she needs to do.  Did they decide to take these actions because they were bored?

Hamas launches rockets, they pay the price.

/Fark Hamas

So you are OK with your entire family getting killed by some dude because your neighbor throw rock at that dude (and missed).

/Who gives a fark about Hamas? That is a completely and utterly non-issue used by matherfarking ****sucking Israel to indiscriminately kill 5 year old innocent kids.

//Fark Isreal


So your ok with someone holding people hostage while they lob missiles at people accross the street?

The Israelis don't have a good alternative course of action. Any other method they could use to stop the attacks will result in far worse civillian casualties.

As far as the poor living conditions of the Palestinian, its a result of the attacks, not the cause of the attacks. The Palestinians vowed to destroy all the Jews before Israel put up walls and denied entry to most Palestinians. The terrorist attacks had already started before that.
 
2014-07-14 10:00:05 AM  
nmrsnr:HotWingConspiracy: nmrsnr: The IDF on the other hand never deliberately targets women and children

lol

Well, I'm glad that's settled. I'm humbled by your brilliant counterpoint.


You said something funny and I laughed.
 
2014-07-14 10:00:29 AM  
What's the current over / under on the final Palestinian death toll?  1,000?
 
2014-07-14 10:00:37 AM  

nmrsnr: unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.

What would you recommend for a situation in which rockets are stored in an apartment building, and nightly fired from the roof of said building into an adjacent neighborhood?


You have any proof of that?

If you do nothing, eventually the rockets will get through your defense. If you try and send troops in, you'll likely get into a firefight that will leave many on both sides dead.

Rocket is an excuse. It never did anything. Make people suffer for a long time and they will eventually start doing something. Even that something is so, so insignificant that it no way justify the collective punishment on 5 year olds.

Chris Hayes on his show said something that resonated with me on the subject. To paraphrase "there can be no question of moral equivalence between Hamas and the IDF. Hamas openly says it targets civilians, and does not shy from targeting women and children. The IDF on the other hand never deliberately targets women and children, and goes so far as to warn families to evacuate if their building is being targeted. On the other hand, there can be no question as to who has the highest death toll. Hamas attacks kill or wounds single digits to a dozen people, while Israeli attacks kill or wound dozens. So the question is how many bodies does good intention get you? How many bodies should be ignored because they weren't the intended targets?"


Regardless of what IDF says, it does the opposite. Results speaks for itself. Hasmas rocket didn't kill anyone so far in this conflict, and that becomes dozen to you? IDF kills hundreds and that becomes dozens? You are a hypocrite.
 
2014-07-14 10:01:11 AM  

liam76: When they have launched over a thousand precision munitions and only 200 are killed, what does that tell you?


It tells me that the Israelis have the best munitions that American taxpayer dollars can buy.
 
2014-07-14 10:02:06 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


Both Atomic Bombs.  The Firebombing of Dresden.  Pretty much any time you're at war and those locations are part of military infrastructure it's...well, not okay, but acceptable.  The actual attacks and deaths I don't consider something to jump all over Israel about.  Everything that has LED to the current state of war, I do.  They played, and keep playing hardline politics with the issues.  They have their reasons, but at the end of the day when they go to look in the mirror, those decisions lead directly to a moment when they're going to be killing women, children, and civilians.  Not saying they should have capitulated on any particular issue, or risk their own lives or people by giving in on X, Y, or Z.  But if it were me, I would bend myself into knots trying to find ANY solution rather than reach a point where I was going to have to nuke the school to save it.  farking take every last penny of US aid and buy the Palestinians a tropical island if I thought it would save me from having to kill a single kid.  Devote an entire generation of government to improving conditions so much it stops being an issue.

There are some aspects of the reasons it reached this point I can understand.  Worries about their own safety, what the rest of the Middle East would do if they were seen as 'weak', protecting their own people.   But plenty of it is just the politics of hate that run so deep in that area.  And fark them for any time there might have been something they could have done that might have spared one life, but they didn't for purely political reasons.
 
2014-07-14 10:02:13 AM  
Two wrongs don't make a right. They should keep going at it, however: two million wrongs just might.
 
2014-07-14 10:03:42 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


It ever is. But see how the apologist will justify such sick crimes, right here on Fark.
 
2014-07-14 10:04:06 AM  

LordJiro: The governments of Palestine and Israel are both assholes. But Israel's government is the one in the position of power; only THEY have the power to end the conflict. As long as Palestinians are treated as second-class citizens, they'll support people who they feel will fight back.


That's just true. It's not about citizenship. They want a country that is incompatible with the one that is currently occupying the same space. If two people want the same land, they will fight over it. Add religion and it just gets worse.
 
2014-07-14 10:04:25 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


They never really figured out the whole "proportional response" thing.
 
2014-07-14 10:04:33 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.

Both Atomic Bombs.  The Firebombing of Dresden.  Pretty much any time you're at war and those locations are part of military infrastructure it's...well, not okay, but acceptable.  The actual attacks and deaths I don't consider something to jump all over Israel about.  Everything that has LED to the current state of war, I do.  They played, and keep playing hardline politics with the issues.  They have their reasons, but at the end of the day when they go to look in the mirror, those decisions lead directly to a moment when they're going to be killing women, children, and civilians.  Not saying they should have capitulated on any particular issue, or risk their own lives or people by giving in on X, Y, or Z.  But if it were me, I would bend myself into knots trying to find ANY solution rather than reach a point where I was going to have to nuke the school to save it.  farking take every last penny of US aid and buy the Palestinians a tropical island if I thought it would save me from having to kill a single kid.  Devote an entire generation of government to improving conditions so much it stops being an issue.

There are some aspects of the reasons it reached this point I can understand.  Worries about their own safety, what the rest of the Middle East would do if they were seen as 'weak', protecting their own people.   But plenty of it is just the politics of hate that run so deep in that area.  And fark them for any time there might have been something they could have done that might have spared one life, but they didn't for purely political reasons.


It wouldn't matter if they played nice. Your hands are tied when the only thing your enemy wants is your death.
 
2014-07-14 10:04:35 AM  

nmrsnr: Well, I'm glad that's settled. I'm humbled by your brilliant counterpoint


You are dealing with a guy whose Weeners after learning 3 teens were murdered for being jewish in Israel was to call out how stealing land was dangerous business.

It isn't possible for him to have an unbiased view on the situation. He just tosses otu justificatiosn for whatever Hamas and thsoe types do and pretend that every death of a palestenaisn was the specific goal of Israeli actions.
 
2014-07-14 10:04:47 AM  

nmrsnr: That's just true.


not true. I accidentally the whole thing.
 
2014-07-14 10:04:56 AM  

LordJiro: The governments of Palestine and Israel are both assholes. But Israel's government is the one in the position of power; only THEY have the power to end the conflict. As long as Palestinians are treated as second-class citizens, they'll support people who they feel will fight back.


DING! The only reason they support groups like Hamas is because they feel there's no hope, no future. Maybe if Israel made some actual good faith efforts to make the life of the average Palestinian NOT a living hell they'd see a lot of this kind of sentiment start to wither.

...but talk of reconciliation won't win you elections.
 
2014-07-14 10:05:23 AM  

mschwenk: mayIFark: Truther: Israel is doing what she needs to do.  Did they decide to take these actions because they were bored?

Hamas launches rockets, they pay the price.

/Fark Hamas

So you are OK with your entire family getting killed by some dude because your neighbor throw rock at that dude (and missed).

/Who gives a fark about Hamas? That is a completely and utterly non-issue used by matherfarking ****sucking Israel to indiscriminately kill 5 year old innocent kids.

//Fark Isreal

So your ok with someone holding people hostage while they lob missiles at people accross the street?

The Israelis don't have a good alternative course of action. Any other method they could use to stop the attacks will result in far worse civillian casualties.

As far as the poor living conditions of the Palestinian, its a result of the attacks, not the cause of the attacks. The Palestinians vowed to destroy all the Jews before Israel put up walls and denied entry to most Palestinians. The terrorist attacks had already started before that.


Amazing how cranky people get when you force them from their land.
 
2014-07-14 10:05:45 AM  

BFletch651: What's the current over / under on the final Palestinian death toll?  1,000?


If you talk the current conflict, something like 0/160.

If you talk overall, in the last 60+ years, 5/20000, if I'm to guess.
 
2014-07-14 10:07:01 AM  
Can someone point me to an article with a counter point?

It's making my head hurt.
 
2014-07-14 10:09:54 AM  
Cliven bundy using human shields.....shoot them all

Hamas and Hezballah using human shields.....omg Israel must show reatraint.
 
2014-07-14 10:10:17 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


Here it is in a nutshell as it occured

1) 3 Jewish teenagers were murdered by unknown Palestinians

2) A revenge killing of a Palestinian kid by angry, non-governmental, Israelis followed the next day

3) Hamas Palestinians are shooting shooting hundreds of rockets (it's getting close to a thousand by now), which are unguided so it may hit a military target or it may hit a school full of kids or a hospital or a car driving down the street or an empty house or nothing at all (in other words it's a total crap shoot), into Israel population centers as retaliation for the killing of the Palestinian kid.

3a) Hamas Palestinians have intentionally placed those rocket launching sites smack dab in the middle of their own civilian population in hopes of ginning up sympathy from the world.

4) Israel shoots back with guided weapons at the locations where the rockets originated from

4a) Israel has been dropping leaflets warning the civilians that the bombing will soon commence right where they are so they should get out now.

The media covered 1, but just barely. The media heavily covered 2 and as an aside covered 1 again (but again just barely but a bit more than before). The media sort of covers 3 but mainly because of a missile defense system called "Iron Dome" going by what they talk about the most. The media never mentions 3a. The media heavily covers 4. The media barely covers 4a.

As to when and how it's OK to bomb civilian areas why don't you ask the Hamas Palestinians seeing as they were the first ones to do it and Israel is not targeting civilians except as it relates to the Hamas Palestinians putting the rocket launchers there in the first place and using the civilians as human shields.
 
2014-07-14 10:10:44 AM  

unlikely: I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is shill media trying to mold my opinion or if it's actual fact, but the news I am seeing is making it look like Israel is a bunch of monsters. I can't figure out how and in what situations bombing civilian neighborhoods is okay.


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