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(Washington Post)   Target security spots repeat shoplifter on video -- is the security guard fired for A) chasing down the thief and tackling him, B) grabbing the man's arm, or C) reporting it to the police? Hint: thief happens to be a cop   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 225
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2014-07-13 10:55:18 AM
That is absolutely disgusting.
 
2014-07-13 11:02:03 AM
God bless our heroic, brave, boys in blue.  *sniff* *wipes tear from crying sparkly eagle*

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2014-07-13 11:12:13 AM

Xanlexian: God bless our heroic, brave, boys in blue.  *sniff* *wipes tear from crying sparkly eagle*

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Is he wearing a donut?
O_o
 
2014-07-13 11:14:06 AM

the_celt: Xanlexian: God bless our heroic, brave, boys in blue.  *sniff* *wipes tear from crying sparkly eagle*

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Is he wearing a donut?
O_o


He is a donut.
 
2014-07-13 11:52:58 AM

ElLoco: He is a donut.


Ich bin ein Berliner.
 
2014-07-13 11:57:22 AM
The worst part is, the deputy in question resigned, making any retaliation against the security guard unnecessary and seemingly done just out of spite...
 
2014-07-13 12:05:56 PM
Guilty of being uppity while black? That's a firin'.
 
2014-07-13 12:07:59 PM
This just in....cops are pigs. They got that name for a reason, besides looking like the donut cop above.
 
2014-07-13 12:11:27 PM

PhiloeBedoe: The worst part is, the deputy in question resigned, making any retaliation against the security guard unnecessary and seemingly done just out of spite...


Next you'll be telling us that the sky is blue, water is wet, and steak is best medium-rare.
 
hej
2014-07-13 12:12:28 PM
Apparently Target likes losing inventory as much as they like losing customer's credit card information.
 
2014-07-13 12:15:11 PM
Why can the security dude? Look, if the manager of the local store was a bigwig in the community and didn't feel like dealing with the fall out at the local Easter Parade or Thanksgiving Parade, or on the local hockey teams, baseball teams or at the Kiwanas club because that's his business. What he has done is tell his employees that he'll f•ck them over for doing their jobs. And, he's exposed the firm to an expensive legal action.

Were I head office, I'd be chewing him out.
 
2014-07-13 12:15:12 PM
So instead of pissing off the cops, some management figure at Target decided to piss off a loyal employee and vast segments of their customer base. That was a brilliant idea.
 
2014-07-13 12:18:52 PM
B!
 
2014-07-13 12:20:07 PM
FTA:  Northington said Target officials told him that he had violated procedure by not filling out the proper paperwork before contacting the police, though he said his office had operated the same way for years. He said he also was told that he had been insubordinate for not seeking approval before calling police, though he said the standard practice was for him to act as needed.

Ahh, the old "Have a rule on the books that employees have to break to do their jobs, which you ignore until you need an excuse to fire them" trick. I've seen it plenty of times with OSHA compliance regs.
 
2014-07-13 12:20:51 PM
Whelp, no more Target!
 
2014-07-13 12:21:05 PM

gaslight: Why can the security dude? Look, if the manager of the local store was a bigwig in the community and didn't feel like dealing with the fall out at the local Easter Parade or Thanksgiving Parade, or on the local hockey teams, baseball teams or at the Kiwanas club because that's his business. What he has done is tell his employees that he'll f•ck them over for doing their jobs. And, he's exposed the firm to an expensive legal action.

Were I head office, I'd be chewing him out.


Probably not. Assuming this happened in a *cough* "right to work" state, he probably has no legal recourse whatsoever.

But fear not: I am sure the all mighty invisible hand of the free market, which our Libertarian friends assure us rights all wrongs, will intercede any day now.

Aannnnyyyy day now.
 
2014-07-13 12:21:08 PM
OK. I'll avoid Target. And I hope the fired guy gets PAID winning a big fat lawsuit.
 
2014-07-13 12:21:58 PM
We get it. The LPO is blah....
 
2014-07-13 12:23:19 PM
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2014-07-13 12:23:46 PM

PhiloeBedoe: The worst part is, the deputy in question resigned, making any retaliation against the security guard unnecessary and seemingly done just out of spite...


Oh no no.  He didn't resign.  He retired.  We have pensions to think about, here.


I don't know what Target's actual policies are, but I remember my prison employee days.  There were policies on the books that would get you shunned, yelled at and questioned by your superiors if you actually followed them on a daily basis, like there was something wrong with you.  Unless something bad happened.  Then it was firin' time if you didn't follow them to the letter.  Wouldn't be surprised to see something similar here.  A policy that was never, ever, ever enforced.. maybe even discouraged, until they needed a reason.

Of course, there's also possibly far more to the story than I'm getting.
 
2014-07-13 12:23:52 PM

Xanlexian: God bless our heroic, brave, boys in blue.  *sniff* *wipes tear from crying sparkly eagle*


HR Cuff n' Stuff?
 
2014-07-13 12:24:26 PM
Does Target even have an attempt at a defense here?   The corporate spokeswoman just said "we have conducted a full investigation and don't believe there is any merit to this individual's claims".  Huh?  So he wasn't fired?  Or the firing came from some other cause?  They can't *really* be running with the story that they fired an 8-year employee due to not filling out a form before calling the police, right?
 
2014-07-13 12:25:03 PM
The internet is full of these "some guy claims he was fired unjustly, company cannot respond for privacy reasons, so the company must be wrong" stories.

If I were Target's CEO, I'd respond with the following statement:

"If our former employee will provide us with a signed and notarized copy of the attached Waiver of Privacy, we will be glad to provide you with our side of the story."

This assumes, of course, that there is a legitimate and compelling "our side of the story."
 
2014-07-13 12:27:46 PM
What part of "Negros are not allowed to testify about whites" does Dallas Northington not understand?
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2014-07-13 12:27:47 PM
I'm bringing my pitchfork and a torch to Target next time I go.
 
2014-07-13 12:29:02 PM
FTFA: He said investigators "haven't positively identified this guy. They're still doing follow-up investigation." He said he did not know why the case had taken so long to resolve but said "there might be some extenuating circumstances."

Gee, I wonder what those extenuating circumstances are?

/fark these assholes
 
2014-07-13 12:29:19 PM
But remember kids, if you don't call these idiots the rest of the "legal" system won't even talk to you because you didn't talk to them first.
 
2014-07-13 12:30:34 PM

HairBolus: What part of "Negros are not allowed to testify about whites" does Dallas Northington not understand?


Once again it's a cops abusing authority story that's being skewed by the race baiters. Way to go, dipshiat.
 
2014-07-13 12:31:32 PM
So yeah, this security guard needs to lawyer up real good, bend target over, and fark them. After reading the article, the logical assumption is that he was fired for simply doing his job the way he's been for years, and coincidentally he's fired when the perp happens to be a deputy.
 
2014-07-13 12:32:04 PM

gilgigamesh: Assuming this happened in a *cough* "right to work" state, he probably has no legal recourse whatsoever.


It is, in fact, a right-to-work state but that still doesn't exactly mean they can fire you for any or no reason at all. There is still such a thing as wrongful termination.
 
2014-07-13 12:33:08 PM
 
2014-07-13 12:33:43 PM
See a cop wresting with a suspect, pleading for help ... keep walking.
 
2014-07-13 12:34:15 PM

gilgigamesh: Assuming this happened in a *cough* "right to work" state, he probably has no legal recourse whatsoever.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

Right-to-work laws have nothing to do with the ability to sue or not.
 
2014-07-13 12:34:48 PM

rvesco: The internet is full of these "some guy claims he was fired unjustly, company cannot respond for privacy reasons, so the company must be wrong" stories.

If I were Target's CEO, I'd respond with the following statement:

"If our former employee will provide us with a signed and notarized copy of the attached Waiver of Privacy, we will be glad to provide you with our side of the story."

This assumes, of course, that there is a legitimate and compelling "our side of the story."


Apparently he's lying. That is definitely NOT a white guy.

We all know corporations are people, but most people don't know that they are also infallible.
 
2014-07-13 12:35:32 PM

ginandbacon: That is absolutely disgusting.


Store is about A mile from my house and I do a lot of shopping there but I stopped in yesterday and told the manager I would not be back until the guard is re-hired with an apology. He started making noises about company policy and I just basically told him that we all know what bullshiat smells like, and I am choosing not to do business with a store that treats personnel that way or contributes to a corrupt police force for my state.  May have raised my voice slightly causing other shoppers to ask me what was going on, which I, tot he chagrin of the manager, explained to them in detail.  Since he already has a top flight attorney I wont offer my services pro bono but otherwuise I would.  I am extremely pissed about this
 
2014-07-13 12:35:53 PM
Time for me to see how badly the Cabela's tale ended.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/04/nj_state_trooper_caught _s hoplifting_from_pa_store_gets_fine.html

I wonder how long till he retires?
 
2014-07-13 12:36:43 PM

Tobin_Lam: gilgigamesh: Assuming this happened in a *cough* "right to work" state, he probably has no legal recourse whatsoever.

It is, in fact, a right-to-work state but that still doesn't exactly mean they can fire you for any or no reason at all. There is still such a thing as wrongful termination.


In fact that is precisely what right to work means.

The only reasons that would give rise to a cause of action are unlawful ones; eg, racial or gender discrimination, violation of the ADA, etc
 
2014-07-13 12:37:10 PM

Magorn: ginandbacon: That is absolutely disgusting.

Store is about A mile from my house and I do a lot of shopping there but I stopped in yesterday and told the manager I would not be back until the guard is re-hired with an apology. He started making noises about company policy and I just basically told him that we all know what bullshiat smells like, and I am choosing not to do business with a store that treats personnel that way or contributes to a corrupt police force for my state.  May have raised my voice slightly causing other shoppers to ask me what was going on, which I, tot he chagrin of the manager, explained to them in detail.  Since he already has a top flight attorney I wont offer my services pro bono but otherwuise I would.  I am extremely pissed about this


YOU!!! I like you.
 
2014-07-13 12:40:08 PM
If this article did not make you consider the merits of throwing a molotov cocktail at a random police car, you may be:

a)not human, b)a cop, c)a Target store manager, d)all of the above
 
2014-07-13 12:40:38 PM
Is this another thread where an explanation of what "right to work" and "at will" mean needs to be pinned to the top?
 
2014-07-13 12:42:53 PM
Who knew Superbad was actually a documentary on police work.
 
2014-07-13 12:43:42 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: HairBolus: What part of "Negros are not allowed to testify about whites" does Dallas Northington not understand?

Once again it's a cops abusing authority story that's being skewed by the race baiters. Way to go, dipshiat.


I believe he was being sarcastic.
 
2014-07-13 12:45:26 PM
Magorn: Store is about A mile from my house and I do a lot of shopping there but I stopped in yesterday and told the manager I would not be back until the guard is re-hired with an apology. He started making noises about company policy and I just basically told him that we all know what bullshiat smells like, and I am choosing not to do business with a store that treats personnel that way or contributes to a corrupt police force for my state.  May have raised my voice slightly causing other shoppers to ask me what was going on, which I, tot he chagrin of the manager, explained to them in detail.  Since he already has a top flight attorney I wont offer my services pro bono but otherwuise I would.  I am extremely pissed about this

YOU. You da man. Nicely Done.
 
2014-07-13 12:45:34 PM

WTFDYW: Magorn: ginandbacon: That is absolutely disgusting.

Store is about A mile from my house and I do a lot of shopping there but I stopped in yesterday and told the manager I would not be back until the guard is re-hired with an apology. He started making noises about company policy and I just basically told him that we all know what bullshiat smells like, and I am choosing not to do business with a store that treats personnel that way or contributes to a corrupt police force for my state.  May have raised my voice slightly causing other shoppers to ask me what was going on, which I, tot he chagrin of the manager, explained to them in detail.  Since he already has a top flight attorney I wont offer my services pro bono but otherwuise I would.  I am extremely pissed about this

YOU!!! I like you.


Damn stright man. Not enough people are ready to call bullshiat at the top of their lungs when they see it.
 
2014-07-13 12:45:47 PM
As much as I detest the 'open carry' pukes, I wish they would descend on this Target in droves.
 
2014-07-13 12:46:55 PM

WTFDYW: Magorn: ginandbacon: That is absolutely disgusting.

Store is about A mile from my house and I do a lot of shopping there but I stopped in yesterday and told the manager I would not be back until the guard is re-hired with an apology. He started making noises about company policy and I just basically told him that we all know what bullshiat smells like, and I am choosing not to do business with a store that treats personnel that way or contributes to a corrupt police force for my state.  May have raised my voice slightly causing other shoppers to ask me what was going on, which I, tot he chagrin of the manager, explained to them in detail.  Since he already has a top flight attorney I wont offer my services pro bono but otherwuise I would.  I am extremely pissed about this

YOU!!! I like you.


Yeah, Magorn is really good people.

I have a lot of friends in that area and I'm hoping they'll let management know what they think of this action.
 
2014-07-13 12:47:01 PM

rvesco: The internet is full of these "some guy claims he was fired unjustly, company cannot respond for privacy reasons, so the company must be wrong" stories.

If I were Target's CEO, I'd respond with the following statement:

"If our former employee will provide us with a signed and notarized copy of the attached Waiver of Privacy, we will be glad to provide you with our side of the story."

This assumes, of course, that there is a legitimate and compelling "our side of the story."


Once the person has talked to the press, what privacy is there? This is a bullshiat excuse to avoid talking about the issue. These are not medical or financial records, and as long as they are telling the true, there is no slander. The only privacy they are protecting is their own.
 
2014-07-13 12:47:42 PM
The security guard didn't have enough evidence to make an apprehension of the customer so he calls the police to make the stop without solid proof. Anyone who has worked in this business knows that's WAY against the rules. He didn't document the call either. He didn't ask for permission. That's a firing. Every time
 
2014-07-13 12:48:49 PM

Boojum2k: gilgigamesh: Assuming this happened in a *cough* "right to work" state, he probably has no legal recourse whatsoever.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

Right-to-work laws have nothing to do with the ability to sue or not.


Sure they do. All Orwellian bullshiat aside, "right to work" laws hamstring an employee's right to enter collective bargaining agreements. If this guy had the protection of a union, he would have something to go on. Without that, he would have to allege the firing violated some state or federal employment discrimination law, otherwise he has no cause of action that I can think of.

I suppose there might be some whistleblower action this could fall under, but I don't see how. Those laws are generally designed to protect an employee who goes to a state agency to report violations by the employer. That doesn't seem to fit here.

Any labor lawyers who know better, feel free to chime in and correct me if I am wrong.
 
2014-07-13 12:50:27 PM

PhiloeBedoe: The worst part is, the deputy in question resigned, making any retaliation against the security guard unnecessary and seemingly done just out of spite...


a warning to others not to do that again. the deputy forced a cop to retire, he had to pay.   Most heads of corporate security are ex-cops and the 
blue line protects its opwn
 
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