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(Chicago Sun-Times)   It's time once again to look at The Chicago Shooting Tracker, which shows that out of the twenty-five people shot in Chicago over the weekend, only three died. Better average than on a normal weekend   (voices.suntimes.com) divider line 73
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2014-07-13 11:47:52 AM  
Those shooters need to learn gun control.
 
2014-07-13 11:52:04 AM  
Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.
 
2014-07-13 01:11:18 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-13 01:13:27 PM  

syrynxx: Those shooters need to learn gun control.


meh - summer, poor brown people problems ...

/not sure that I can hate these threads more than I already do.
/obummer did it !!!
/sigh
 
2014-07-13 01:25:59 PM  
Obviously the solution is to arm more people.
 
2014-07-13 02:44:59 PM  
Too many people playing Watch Dogs.
 
2014-07-13 02:45:08 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.


It's not happening at this level in any of the neighborhoods that you'd live in. Your wife is right..you're being a pussy.
 
2014-07-13 02:46:02 PM  
Why not "The Chicago Gang Murder Tracker?"
 
2014-07-13 02:47:27 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.


Good, stay in Pennsyltucky, we don't want ya!
 
2014-07-13 02:47:56 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

It's not happening at this level in any of the neighborhoods that you'd live in. Your wife is right..you're being a pussy.


That's not true. You don't know my income level (or lack thereof). Hell, I live in my local high-crime area.
 
2014-07-13 02:48:43 PM  

zeroman987: Good, stay in Pennsyltucky, we don't want ya!


I'd rather be here than there, so it seems we're both content.
 
2014-07-13 02:48:48 PM  
I view the advances in emergency room medicine with the same jaundiced eye as I view seatbelts and airbags in fast cars: The wrong people are getting to live.
 
2014-07-13 02:49:49 PM  
So only 4 were added on Saturday
 
2014-07-13 02:50:33 PM  
ooo, ooooo....Let me post this.

It's not racist for me to say that black violence is out of control.  This is one city...there are many more, Philly, B-more, etc where this is like a record playing over and over.

It's also not racist for Mayor Landrieu or Spike Jones to post billboards specifically pointing out crimes committed by ..black, blaaaack, black men.

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/mayor-landrieu-and-spike-lee-unveil-m ur der-reduction-plan/

So there.  Vindicated.  Yes, there is an official problem with black violence across our cities.
 
2014-07-13 02:52:52 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

It's not happening at this level in any of the neighborhoods that you'd live in. Your wife is right..you're being a pussy.


People seem to be missing this.
It's gang on gang violence.

img.fark.net

/oblig
 
2014-07-13 02:55:37 PM  

Valiente: I view the advances in emergency room medicine with the same jaundiced eye as I view seatbelts and airbags in fast cars: The wrong people are getting to live.


Yes, it's not like in the westerns where you shoot a guy and he falls down.
If you can get him to the ER, we can patch him up and get him back on the street.
 
2014-07-13 02:56:16 PM  
So, we're to be relieved that their aim sucks?
 
2014-07-13 02:56:43 PM  

enry: Obviously the solution is to arm more people.


or we could legalize drugs and remove one of the major sources of income for the gangs
yes, I know, not all of the shootings were drug related, most were HEAT related ...
 
2014-07-13 03:00:21 PM  
img.fark.net

It's time.
 
2014-07-13 03:02:16 PM  

destardi: ooo, ooooo....Let me post this.

It's not racist for me to say that black violence is out of control.  This is one city...there are many more, Philly, B-more, etc where this is like a record playing over and over.

It's also not racist for Mayor Landrieu or Spike Jones to post billboards specifically pointing out crimes committed by ..black, blaaaack, black men.

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/mayor-landrieu-and-spike-lee-unveil-m ur der-reduction-plan/

So there.  Vindicated.  Yes, there is an official problem with black violence across our cities.


that's different. It's a start.
 
2014-07-13 03:02:38 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.


Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.
Maybe your wife is bored, and would like someone cultured or intelligent to talk to for a change.
 
2014-07-13 03:03:24 PM  
The good news is that violence in movies, games, and music has no effect on young minds.
 
2014-07-13 03:03:25 PM  

jso2897: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.
Maybe your wife is bored, and would like someone cultured or intelligent to talk to for a change.


And he is confused as to the needs and desires of his wife.... shocking.
 
2014-07-13 03:04:00 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: The good news is that violence in movies, games, and music has no effect on young minds.


lol
3/11
 
2014-07-13 03:05:01 PM  
It's because they keep turning their guns sideways to look all "gangstah". Someone needs to teach them basic "front sight" shooting techniques. Helps if you're not in a moving car as well. Better aim? Less scumbag gang members drawing breath, soon they will all be gone.
 
2014-07-13 03:07:28 PM  

namatad: enry: Obviously the solution is to arm more people.

or we could legalize drugs and remove one of the major sources of income for the gangs
yes, I know, not all of the shootings were drug related, most were HEAT related ...


What if we legalized drugs and diverted that several billion a year in enforcement to treatment, border security, oh, hell unicorns for crissakes?
ROI on the 'War on Drugs' seems like a losing proposition. Of course I've only watched it for 40 years, so it might turn around.
 
2014-07-13 03:09:36 PM  

jso2897: Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.


Yep. Statistics sure do bear that out. More people were murdered in Chicago this week than in my town in the last half decade. Statistics, can't beat them.
 
2014-07-13 03:14:17 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: namatad: enry: Obviously the solution is to arm more people.

or we could legalize drugs and remove one of the major sources of income for the gangs
yes, I know, not all of the shootings were drug related, most were HEAT related ...

What if we legalized drugs and diverted that several billion a year in enforcement to treatment, border security, oh, hell unicorns for crissakes?
ROI on the 'War on Drugs' seems like a losing proposition. Of course I've only watched it for 40 years, so it might turn around.


I remember smoking pot - PRE-reagan. It was a trivial offense. Cops would confiscate or toss, but arrest? Pretty much NEVER.  Thank Satan for Nancy and Ronnie and Just say NO!

FFS, history is NOT going to be kind to them. Talk about the dark ages of america.
Cant wait to see this legalize pot movement grow.

/sigh, I really should move to a free state.
 
2014-07-13 03:16:41 PM  
Three out of twenty five- they need more target practice and shooting instructors.
 
2014-07-13 03:24:33 PM  
meh
laying down cover fire ... not trying to hit to kill,
clearly the victims need to practice hiding behind cover ... instead of ... you know, going outside
 
2014-07-13 03:31:20 PM  
From yesterday's*  Chicago Gun Violence thread:

Environmental Study Finds Air In Chicago Now 75% Bullets


* Seriously, if these are going to be a daily thing on Fark, it's time for a Chicago tag, Drew.  Think about it.

oi61.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-13 03:32:53 PM  

jso2897: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.
Maybe your wife is bored, and would like someone cultured or intelligent to talk to for a change.


That seems to be true only if you define 'misadventure' in a very specific way.  That, and how you define 'city' plays a huge role.

I have seen a few studies/statistics that would support your claim - like this one:
http://science.time.com/2013/07/23/in-town-versus-country-it-turns-o ut -that-cities-are-the-safest-places-to-live/

But if you look at more closely, it's not really very convincing.  They only count deaths - so the fact that you are many times more likely to be beaten, shot, robbed and violently raped in cities is ignored completely.  Accidental death rates are higher in rural areas thanks mostly to long drives on back roads....so in a city, you are more likely to be killed by a gang member, but in a rural town, more likely to get t-boned at an intersection.

Even still, it all hinges on how you define 'city'.  For some people - when they say city - they are talking about the 10-50 biggest cities in the US.  They certainly wouldn't consider suburban America to be 'urban' - but when collecting statistics, it's easy enough to mix them all in.

If you use Chicago as the benchmark of a 'city' - (perhaps unfair, but having grown up in the Chicago area, that's what I use internally), rural life is quite a bit safer.  It's also a lot easier to avoid drunken hunting trips / farm equipment than it is to avoid a drive-by.
 
2014-07-13 03:50:40 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: jso2897: Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.

Yep. Statistics sure do bear that out. More people were murdered in Chicago this week than in my town in the last half decade. Statistics, can't beat them.


Hell, here the last murder was in 1999

jnapier: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

It's not happening at this level in any of the neighborhoods that you'd live in. Your wife is right..you're being a pussy.

People seem to be missing this.
It's gang on gang violence.

[img.fark.net image 500x374]

/oblig


Keystone kops Ohio style, shootout at point blank range after they had one suspect detained and not only did they let both of em get away but after firing over 30 rounds they didn't even hit the Suburban the crooks were hiding behind
 
2014-07-13 03:57:15 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: jso2897: Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.

Yep. Statistics sure do bear that out. More people were murdered in Chicago this week than in my town in the last half decade. Statistics, can't beat them.


But how many people live in your town? It's also very likely that the people murdered in your town were demographically similar to you. Statistically speaking, of course.
 
2014-07-13 03:58:09 PM  

destardi: ooo, ooooo....Let me post this.

It's not racist for me to say that black violence is out of control.  This is one city...there are many more, Philly, B-more, etc where this is like a record playing over and over.

It's also not racist for Mayor Landrieu or Spike Jones to post billboards specifically pointing out crimes committed by ..black, blaaaack, black men.

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/mayor-landrieu-and-spike-lee-unveil-m ur der-reduction-plan/

So there.  Vindicated.  Yes, there is an official problem with black violence across our cities.


You forgot to capitalize Black.
 
2014-07-13 04:07:42 PM  
A lucrative business would be taking pro-arms 'hunters' on safari tours of inner cities where gangbangers can be hunted like lions and elephants once were.

/bwana
 
2014-07-13 04:08:59 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: It's because they keep turning their guns sideways to look all "gangstah". Someone needs to teach them basic "front sight" shooting techniques. Helps if you're not in a moving car as well. Better aim? Less scumbag gang members drawing breath, soon they will all be gone.


You apparently know nothing about why gangbangers turn their guns sideways; its for speed aiming; you won't get accuracy out of it; but you can draw quickly and start popping off rounds then if you use proper sighting. In a moment when everyone draws at the same time; there isn't a need for accuracy as most gangbangers just want to pop off a few rounds and hop they hit someone.

The method is retarded; you lose a ton of accuracy for a quicker "aiming speed"; reality is you just pulled and fired a gun and have almost no accuracy with it. One person who properly sights his weapon will have an accuracy shot; but sidearmed asshole would of already shot 2 rounds off.
 
2014-07-13 04:11:26 PM  

Splish: But how many people live in your town? It's also very likely that the people murdered in your town were demographically similar to you. Statistically speaking, of course.


It doesn't matter. Not a single person who loses a family member will quote per capita statistics at the eulogy. Speaking absolutely, I am safer here than in a city. If cities are that much safer, why the calls for gun control? Why bring up epidemics of violence? For that matter, why are we even discussing this? There's no "Carlisle Shooting Tracker", that's why.

But cities are safer statistically. Yep.
 
2014-07-13 04:23:18 PM  

lifeboat: [img.fark.net image 636x130]

It's time.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-13 04:29:08 PM  
Fark Presents the Weekly Chicago Shooting Roundup?

WCSR!
 
2014-07-13 04:31:26 PM  

destardi: So there.  Vindicated.  Yes, there is an official problem with black violence across our cities.


Dude, you DO understand that skin color is completely irrelevant to the problem, right?  Most people in the US eat meat, right?  Would you say that crime is caused by bacon?  Of course not.
 
2014-07-13 04:37:08 PM  

Misconduc: You apparently know nothing about why gangbangers turn their guns sideways; its for speed aiming;



Um, no.  As a firearms instructor, I routinely deal with people who don't know dick about guns.  The whole "sideways shooting" thing isn't about "speed aiming", it's about "This is what I saw on TV, and TV wouldn't lie, would it?"

CSB:  I once had a student load a magazine with the cartridges inserted backwards.  Her husband was giving her all kinds of grief about it.  I told him to cut her some slack, she was trying to emulate what she saw in an H&K ad.
 
2014-07-13 04:38:02 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: jso2897: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.
Maybe your wife is bored, and would like someone cultured or intelligent to talk to for a change.

That seems to be true only if you define 'misadventure' in a very specific way.  That, and how you define 'city' plays a huge role.

I have seen a few studies/statistics that would support your claim - like this one:
http://science.time.com/2013/07/23/in-town-versus-country-it-turns-o ut -that-cities-are-the-safest-places-to-live/

But if you look at more closely, it's not really very convincing.  They only count deaths - so the fact that you are many times more likely to be beaten, shot, robbed and violently raped in cities is ignored completely.  Accidental death rates are higher in rural areas thanks mostly to long drives on back roads....so in a city, you are more likely to be killed by a gang member, but in a rural town, more likely to get t-boned at an intersection.

Even still, it all hinges on how you define 'city'.  For some people - when they say city - they are talking about the 10-50 biggest cities in the US.  They certainly wouldn't consider suburban America to be 'urban' - but when collecting statistics, it's easy enough to mix them all in.

If you use Chicago as the benchmark of a 'city' - (perhaps unfair, but having grown up in the Chicago area, that's what I use internally), rural life is quite a bit safer.  It's also a lot easier to avoid drunken hunting trips / farm equipment than it is to avoid a drive-by.


I've lived in several of the fifty largest cities in the US, and never lived within a mile of a drive by shooting.

You can reduce the odds of violent crime around you by not living in a terrible neighborhood while still living in a city.
 
2014-07-13 04:41:11 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Um, no. As a firearms instructor, I routinely deal with people who don't know dick about guns. The whole "sideways shooting" thing isn't about "speed aiming", it's about "This is what I saw on TV, and TV wouldn't lie, would it?"


Oblig:

oi57.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-13 04:50:12 PM  
In Before the "More gun laws needed to keep our children safe" argument;
and
"Chicago has the most stringent gun control laws on the books, and here is proof that not only does this approach not work; but it infringes the 2nd Amend rights of the Law-abiding citizenry."

PS:  Vice President elect for the Anarchists' Society of No. America; Illinois Tribe; running on a platform of coherent rhetoric, new Masks for all, warmer black hoodies, and 3 free 3M painter's masks to be handed out before the Cleveland convention
PSS: Are Trebuchets launching dry ice bombs considered Class 3 destructive devices?
PSSS: Gasoline Truck driver needed to take a load from Chicago to Cleveland, some time in 2015... date/time TBD. Please bring 5 ea 6 ft long pieces of garden hose with...
PSSSS:  If '68 style riots take place in Cleveland, will that be an improvement and blight reduction campaign? Or will the EPA charge everyone for the air pollution the fire storms will cause?
 
2014-07-13 04:58:24 PM  
I bet the Chicago chapter of The Association of Emergency Physicians (AEP) are the ones feeding the gang wars. Talk about job security ..
 
2014-07-13 05:04:55 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's also a lot easier to avoid drunken hunting trips / farm equipment than it is to avoid a drive-by.


been in a lot of drive by shooting have you?
Seriously, I avoid them, the same way that I avoid farm accidents, staying away from dangerous shiat.

Plus, I would much rather live in the city, close to major medical and, well, everything.
 
2014-07-13 05:16:55 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: jso2897: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that this consistent level of violence only happens in cities. My wife wonders why I don't want anything to do with living in one.

Statistically, you are safer from misadventure if you live in a city.
Maybe your wife is bored, and would like someone cultured or intelligent to talk to for a change.

That seems to be true only if you define 'misadventure' in a very specific way.  That, and how you define 'city' plays a huge role.

I have seen a few studies/statistics that would support your claim - like this one:
http://science.time.com/2013/07/23/in-town-versus-country-it-turns-o ut -that-cities-are-the-safest-places-to-live/

But if you look at more closely, it's not really very convincing.  They only count deaths - so the fact that you are many times more likely to be beaten, shot, robbed and violently raped in cities is ignored completely.  Accidental death rates are higher in rural areas thanks mostly to long drives on back roads....so in a city, you are more likely to be killed by a gang member, but in a rural town, more likely to get t-boned at an intersection.

Even still, it all hinges on how you define 'city'.  For some people - when they say city - they are talking about the 10-50 biggest cities in the US.  They certainly wouldn't consider suburban America to be 'urban' - but when collecting statistics, it's easy enough to mix them all in.

If you use Chicago as the benchmark of a 'city' - (perhaps unfair, but having grown up in the Chicago area, that's what I use internally), rural life is quite a bit safer.  It's also a lot easier to avoid drunken hunting trips / farm equipment than it is to avoid a drive-by.


meh
it said INJURY rate ...... was the article misquoting the study?
 
2014-07-13 05:20:41 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

yawn
get back to me when the rate is actually up .... cant get excited about shrinking death tolls.
 
2014-07-13 05:22:44 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Misconduc: You apparently know nothing about why gangbangers turn their guns sideways; its for speed aiming;


Um, no.  As a firearms instructor, I routinely deal with people who don't know dick about guns.  The whole "sideways shooting" thing isn't about "speed aiming", it's about "This is what I saw on TV, and TV wouldn't lie, would it?"

CSB:  I once had a student load a magazine with the cartridges inserted backwards.  Her husband was giving her all kinds of grief about it.  I told him to cut her some slack, she was trying to emulate what she saw in an H&K ad.


I got my information from an FBI firearms instructor; he was traveling to prisons giving firearm training at the time; I assumed he would be correct since that's all he does is train swat personnel and prison guards etc.
Pretty neat guy, back of his crappy 1990s bronco is enough guns to supply a 3rd world country; with all the toys to make a big boy cry over (he had more attachments then I could believe they even made).
 
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