Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.
macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.
macross87: shortymac: macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism. It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".?1 Cor 6:9,10"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God's Kingdom."Lesbianism is immoral...
Langdon_777: I am surprised their degrees are worth anything more than the paper they are printed on, esp. when it comes to applying for post graduate studies at real universities. Surely such places science degrees are the equivalent of the ones you get from online 'universities' which just take your money send you your doctorate in philosophy.
DarkVader: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Warlordtrooper: Why should research grants be immune from rules. If you receive so much as a penny from the government then the gov has the right to set rulesBecause if the government receives fair exchange for its funds it's a business transaction. I don't get to dictate policy to GM because I buy one of their cars.Sure you do. If you make an agreement with GM that you will buy one of their cars if they agree to also sell their cars to gay people, then GM better sell their cars to gay people, and you can sue them if they start refusing to sell their cars to gay people.And that's essentially what the feds are doing. They're setting contractual conditions on those funds.GM could say to you "We don't care if you don't buy our car. Go away." But if they agree to your condition, then you can take legal action against them if they don't follow it, assuming that your condition doesn't violate the law.
Waldo Pepper: she would have been expelled if she had a job as a stripper, if she was caught smoking pot or any of the other behaviours the school says is a no. do not secular colleges also have rules that if violated a student can be expelled.
Waldo Pepper: eshalis: I am gay and went to a liberal arts loosely Christian affiliated college. If a GLBTQ person or anyone else wants to go to a crazy wacko right wing Christian college and is shocked that they actually dislike youhave rules against your behaviour, do not be surprised and complain. Also from what this article said the credits are hard to transfer which makes me wonder if this is even a real college.ftfy.she would have been expelled if she had a job as a stripper, if she was caught smoking pot or any of the other behaviours the school says is a no. do not secular colleges also have rules that if violated a student can be expelled. She agreed to the rules when she agreed to go there. nobody forced her to go to a christian college and even if this was the only college her parents would pay for then she could have chosen a different option on for herself.
HoratioGates: DarkVader: They take federal money.She may be able to turn this into a Title IX case. Since she married a woman, it could be claimed that she's "not conforming to gender stereotypes" which is protected from discrimination by Title IX.The school has clearly discriminated against her because of this, and that's a violation.If the school doesn't like it, they can refuse federal student aid (and hopefully if they pull that, go monetarily bankrupt - they're already morally bankrupt.)If they take federal money. That said, I'd argue that morality clauses that are amoral should be unenforceable. You shouldn't be able, for instance, to sign a nondisclosure agreement to cover up child abuse (I know the law was actually changed on this one) or corporate criminal action. It's a little trickier when they are asking you not to take a legal action. She could have waited until after she graduated to get married, or transferred. I think her best argument (if the university doesn't take public money) is to argue that the morality clause isn't uniformly enforced, and therefore she is being singled out.
HMS_Blinkin: But there's a difference between "discrimination" and "breaking a contract." I'd agree with you except that the student in question signed a document saying she agreed not to marry a woman. If people who sign non-disclosure agreements can have their 1st amendment rights limited by the contract they signed, then students who sign "morality covenants" probably give up many of their protections.Maybe you're right and maybe the school didn't cover its own ass properly, but I doubt it. I don't think there will be a case here, because so many christian schools have had rules like this (and even worse ones in some cases) for so long. I'm assuming the reason these rules still exist is because their lawyers wrote ironclad contracts.Now, whether or not schools should have a right to make students sign contracts like this is a different matter, but it's enforceable for now.
TuteTibiImperes: I think it's an issue worth debating. Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage? How is this any different?
Saborlas: If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!Did I leave anyone out?
Ctrl-Alt-Del: If you attend a Christian university and decide to marry your lesbian partner, you best believe you will be expelled from school lickety split for licking slit
indylaw: If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.
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