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2014-07-13 11:59:41 AM  
10 votes:
If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?
2014-07-13 11:22:13 AM  
9 votes:
Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.
2014-07-13 11:41:27 AM  
5 votes:
Meh, you're in a christian school (not a great one at that) living in the buckle of the bible belt.  If you didn't know this would happen, that education was more worthless than I thought.

/you couldn't wait until after college to get married?
2014-07-13 11:59:52 AM  
4 votes:
This is why I don't support Christian colleges, because they're really not Christian.

They are just advertised that way.
2014-07-13 03:16:15 PM  
3 votes:
Step 1: Go to Christian university
Step 2: Marry lesbian partner
Step 3: Share expulsion letter with CNN
Step 4:
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2014-07-13 12:40:51 PM  
3 votes:
This isn't attention whoring at all.
2014-07-13 11:37:53 AM  
3 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.


As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.
2014-07-13 11:01:34 AM  
3 votes:
But now people notice her.
2014-07-13 07:07:21 PM  
2 votes:

macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.


Maybe.  But it is pretty quiet about lesbians getting it on.  It only talks about men laying with men as with a woman.  Doesn't say a thing about women laying with women as with a woman (or a man for that matter).  So if we're gonna take it literally, then only male gay sex is bad.  Hot girl on girl sex, since it specifically isn't mentioned, must be okay.
2014-07-13 03:24:25 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-07-13 02:52:40 PM  
2 votes:
If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.
2014-07-14 02:29:07 PM  
1 votes:

macross87: shortymac: macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.

If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.

It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.

There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism.  It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".

?

1 Cor 6:9,10
"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God's Kingdom."

Lesbianism is immoral...


That is St. Paul talking. Not Christ Himself. To attribute divinity to St. Paul's writings is blasphemous.
2014-07-14 09:26:02 AM  
1 votes:

Langdon_777: I am surprised their degrees are worth anything more than the paper they are printed on, esp. when it comes to applying for post graduate studies at real universities. Surely such places science degrees are the equivalent of the ones you get from online 'universities' which just take your money send you your doctorate in philosophy.


There are "accreditation mills" that exist only to give worthless accreditations to religious diploma mills.  Other religious institutions have somehow managed to become accredited in fields they shouldn't have, and it does worry me.  Liberty University teaches biology.  BYU will expel faculty for teaching anything that does not agree with the doctrines of the LDS church, and yet allegedly has legitimate archeaology and anthropology courses.  (The issue here being not creationism, but rather the doctrine that Native Americans are descended from refugees from the middle east who built an entire civilization complete with roads, wheeled vehicles, and horses.  Twice.)  Are the faculty in these departments allowed to publish freely?  If not, it would be career suicide to accept a position there, and you would expect to find only the worst people in the field teaching there.
2014-07-13 09:55:45 PM  
1 votes:
If what you value is not compatible with where you want to go to school, choose another. Done.
2014-07-13 09:33:33 PM  
1 votes:
I am gay. You'd think that would make me support this young lady but I also come from an evangelical background so I know that this lady knew exactly what would happen. I was sent home from Christian HS for having my hair too long. You know they damn well are not going to let a practicing lesbian attend school if thye know of it. And for all you guys who think Jesus was so lovey-dovey he also said he is the only way to Heaven, everyone else will burn in Hell. And when he told people not cast the first stone? It was because he was pointing out to them that Judgment is for God (in the afterlife), not because he was alright with sinning. He told that prostitute they were gonna kill, "Go, and sin no more." That is not validating her choice, that is saying "Change your ways or burn."

Any gay people who believes that Christianity is compatible with the life they live are fooling themselves.
2014-07-13 08:31:38 PM  
1 votes:

macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.


No, it's not.
2014-07-13 05:32:47 PM  
1 votes:

DarkVader: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Warlordtrooper: Why should research grants be immune from rules. If you receive so much as a penny from the government then the gov has the right to set rules

Because if the government receives fair exchange for its funds it's a business transaction. I don't get to dictate policy to GM because I buy one of their cars.

Sure you do.  If you make an agreement with GM that you will buy one of their cars if they agree to also sell their cars to gay people, then GM better sell their cars to gay people, and you can sue them if they start refusing to sell their cars to gay people.

And that's essentially what the feds are doing.  They're setting contractual conditions on those funds.

GM could say to you "We don't care if you don't buy our car.  Go away."  But if they agree to your condition, then you can take legal action against them if they don't follow it, assuming that your condition doesn't violate the law.


Except you buy your PoS GM car from a dealer which is not GM, but a separate legal entity.
2014-07-13 05:10:29 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: she would have been expelled if she had a job as a stripper, if she was caught smoking pot or any of the other behaviours the school says is a no. do not secular colleges also have rules that if violated a student can be expelled.


She was expelled for being a lesbian. That isn't a behavior.
2014-07-13 05:06:13 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: eshalis: I am gay and went to a liberal arts loosely Christian affiliated college.  If a GLBTQ person or anyone else wants to go to a crazy wacko right wing Christian college and is shocked that they actually dislike youhave rules against your behaviour, do not be surprised and complain.  Also from what this article said the credits are hard to transfer which makes me wonder if this is even a real college.

ftfy.

she would have been expelled if she had a job as a stripper, if she was caught smoking pot or any of the other behaviours the school says is a no.  do not secular colleges also have rules that if violated a student can be expelled. 

She agreed to the rules when she agreed to go there. nobody forced her to go to a christian college and even if this was the only college her parents would pay for then she could have chosen a different option on for herself.


You're not paying attention.

THIS SCHOOL ACCEPTS FEDERAL MONEY.

The school agreed to certain conditions to get that money, one of which is that there will be no sex discrimination.
2014-07-13 04:27:41 PM  
1 votes:
I am gay and went to a liberal arts loosely Christian affiliated college.  If a GLBTQ person or anyone else wants to go to a crazy wacko right wing Christian college and is shocked that they actually dislike you, do not be surprised and complain.  Also from what this article said the credits are hard to transfer which makes me wonder if this is even a real college.
2014-07-13 04:26:54 PM  
1 votes:

HoratioGates: DarkVader: They take federal money.

She may be able to turn this into a Title IX case.  Since she married a woman, it could be claimed that she's "not conforming to gender stereotypes" which is protected from discrimination by Title IX.

The school has clearly discriminated against her because of this, and that's a violation.

If the school doesn't like it, they can refuse federal student aid (and hopefully if they pull that, go monetarily bankrupt - they're already morally bankrupt.)

If they take federal money.  That said, I'd argue that morality clauses that are amoral should be unenforceable.  You shouldn't be able, for instance, to sign a nondisclosure agreement to cover up child abuse (I know the law was actually changed on this one) or corporate criminal action.  It's a little trickier when they are asking you not to take a legal action.  She could have waited until after she graduated to get married, or transferred.  I think her best argument (if the university doesn't take public money) is to argue that the morality clause isn't uniformly enforced, and therefore she is being singled out.


Note the first thing I said up there:

They take federal money.

There's no "if" in that sentence.  I checked the school's website before I posted, they've got very clear financial aid info, and a convenient link to the FAFSA.

They take federal money.
2014-07-13 04:24:00 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: But there's a difference between "discrimination" and "breaking a contract." I'd agree with you except that the student in question signed a document saying she agreed not to marry a woman. If people who sign non-disclosure agreements can have their 1st amendment rights limited by the contract they signed, then students who sign "morality covenants" probably give up many of their protections.

Maybe you're right and maybe the school didn't cover its own ass properly, but I doubt it. I don't think there will be a case here, because so many christian schools have had rules like this (and even worse ones in some cases) for so long. I'm assuming the reason these rules still exist is because their lawyers wrote ironclad contracts.

Now, whether or not schools should have a right to make students sign contracts like this is a different matter, but it's enforceable for now.


Sorry, Title IX does not work that way.

The school, in accepting federal funds, agreed to a contract that says they will not discriminate based on sex.  They're breaking their contract with the federal government by having a student sign a contract that purports to remove the student's right to not be discriminated against.

The first contract with the federal government takes precedence.  The school's ass is on the line, the student's contract is, to the extent that it purports to allow the school to violate federal law, invalid.
2014-07-13 04:21:15 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?



If you know that you're violating a core principle going in, you shouldn't go in.  Example:  If you go to a vegan cooking school set up by PeTA and sign a contract agreeing to live by their rules, but they catch you raising a baby cow in inhumane conditions, killing it, cooking it, and then eating a thick, juicy piece of oh-so-tender veal at a school function, you need to understand that the school's administration is likely to be just a little bit pissed about it.  No matter how much I may hypothetically support animal cruelty and eating meat, I can't really bring forth all that much rage at your expulsion.  The "sin" itself doesn't really matter.  What matters is that there were  very simple rules that you knew about up-front, but you broke them anyway.
2014-07-13 04:14:22 PM  
1 votes:

Saborlas: If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?


I agree with you.

Not sure why everyone thinks you should calm down. Only one way to deal with this kind of outright bullshiat, call it out, tell everyone involved in it to fark off. Nuke it from orbit, only way to be sure.
2014-07-13 04:04:56 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, if you agree to go to a private, fundamentalist, Dark Ages "college", don't be surprised when they act like a fundamentalist, Dark Ages "college".
2014-07-13 03:09:51 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure there are some "Christian" universities that aren't complete assholes.  She should look into one of those.
2014-07-13 03:06:31 PM  
1 votes:

Ctrl-Alt-Del: If you attend a Christian university and decide to marry your lesbian partner, you best believe you will be expelled from school lickety split for licking slit


That's the joke.
2014-07-13 02:58:08 PM  
1 votes:
So stop believing stupid shiat that isn't even real. Problem solved.
Then go to a real college, and get a real degree.
2014-07-13 02:57:43 PM  
1 votes:
"As an American and a Christian, I do respect your choice," the administrator wrote. "(But) I have to uphold the Lifestyle Covenant at SCU and confront you with our position.

As an judgmental moralistic finger pointer, i have to say that your lifestyle makes me want to vomit, and you are definitely going to burn in hell because God loves you. So get the fark out. Now.

//Seriously, how can you call yourself a "Christian", who is not supposed to judge, lest you be judged, and yet, you expel someone who has found love, be it a kind you don't understand or agree with? Seems like you :"Christians" like to use what parts of the bible fit your liking, and the others you just ignore. Wasn't one of "Jesus" teachings to accept and tolerate those who are different from you? Guess you kinda forgot that part in your moralistic ravings.didn't ya?

///Dumbass tag should be for the lesbian woman who was a member, and expected them to accept her and her partner. That was stupid. She should have known better.
2014-07-13 02:57:08 PM  
1 votes:
As long as her partner ain't BLACK.

Right?
2014-07-13 02:56:36 PM  
1 votes:

indylaw: If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.


Whole lotta this.
2014-07-13 02:54:23 PM  
1 votes:
http://notalllikethat.org/

Just gonna leave that here. 'Cause we're Not All Like That.
2014-07-13 02:51:33 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.


Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).
2014-07-13 12:48:01 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.


I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?

Schools and businesses do have some leeway over their students' and employees' lives, but there should be limits.  Drugs are still technically illegal even where they're legal at the state level so I can kind of see businesses having the right there, but what about businesses that fire people for using tobacco outside of work, should that be legal?

There need to be more protections for individuals against institutional repercussion for what they do in their private lives.
2014-07-13 12:42:20 PM  
1 votes:
So she signs a "contract" with regards to morality & therefore discrimination is an acceptable outcome if the terms of this "contract" are violated in some manner?

Yeah, that doesn't sound right...
2014-07-13 12:08:10 PM  
1 votes:

Saborlas: If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?


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2014-07-13 11:35:11 AM  
1 votes:
Jeez. Christian schools have done exactly this since ever. It's part of the conditions for admission. A Christian University near me has student volunteers that prowl liquor store parking lots and the nude bars (which are distinctly outside the city limits) looking for University parking stickers on vehicles so they can rat out their fellow students and get them kicked. When they find one, they do rat them out. And they do get kicked.
 
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