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2014-07-13 07:48:20 PM  

dali's perspective: Hot girl on girl sex, since it specifically isn't mentioned, must be okay.


Well yeah.
 
2014-07-13 08:17:42 PM  
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Lickety Split!
 
2014-07-13 08:25:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?

Schools and businesses do have some leeway over their students' and employees' lives, but there should be limits.  Drugs are still technically illegal even where they're legal at the state level so I can kind of see businesses having the right there, but what about businesses that fire people for using tobacco outside of work, should that be legal?

There need to be more protections for individuals against institutional repercussion for what they do in their private lives.


One, there is a company called Weyco, Inc that has fired employees for smoking tobacco.  They went through the trouble of testing them for nicotine, and it is legal.

Second, there is a long list of stuff on that same contract that could've gotten the girl kicked out of school besides marrying a woman.  Any sex outside of marriage, anal sex even with spouse, and not meeting dress code are all listed as ways to get expelled.  If they found out about the pre-marriage sex, she'd still be gone, and you can't declare discrimination because it would've been the same if she was caught with a guy.

/dad had attended one of these schools
//one of his classmates got booted, partly for showing cleavage while playing pool in the students' lounge.
///I knew a few students who delayed marriage because they couldn't afford to move out of the dorms.  Of course the spouse couldn't stay in the dorm room, but they specifically stated married students had to either move to a married students' rentals on the edge of campus (which was usually full) or move off campus.
 
2014-07-13 08:26:43 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules.


No.  Just.... no.
 
2014-07-13 08:31:38 PM  

macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.


No, it's not.
 
2014-07-13 08:33:06 PM  

LewDux: Link
 Link


Are you posting that in the wrong thread, or is there some connection you'd like to explain?
 
2014-07-13 08:36:30 PM  
God damn it I went through three pages of comments and where the hell are the lesbians??
 
2014-07-13 08:37:31 PM  

runwiz: Facebook strikes again.  A private religious school.  She must have figured something like this could happen.  So why not wait until after graduation.


Sweet sweet monies.
 
2014-07-13 08:54:55 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: HMS_Blinkin: Similarly, this woman was gay before she attended the university, but she nonetheless signed (as an adult) a contract saying she wouldn't be gay (and I'm sure a lot of other BS as well) as a condition of attending the school.  She broke a contract that she signed.  I don't like the rule, and I don't like the contract, but she signed it.  She had the chance to go to one of many, MANY other colleges that wouldn't have made her sign any "covenant."  And even then, she had a chance to put off getting married until after graduation.

She may not have known she was gay when she signed and enrolled.  A lot of people, especially those who grow up in religious households, suppress those feelings and get pretty good at lying to themselves until they're out living on their own and suddenly the walls fall down.

The big issue is whether or not a school should have the right to require students to sign contracts that essentially deny homosexual students equal rights.
If the school had a blanket 'no marriage' policy it would be one thing, but a policy that discriminates only against homosexual marriage is different.

Using your golf course example if the course had a 'no hats' policy that was enforced equally towards all members that would probably be OK.  Specifically targeting yarmulkes would step over the line.


I think a better analogy might be made with home owner's associations. Those whackos make all kinds of ridiculous rules, but they are generally enforceable because members agree to abide by them. This is a whacko religious school. They believe that homosexuality is EVIL. There are too many other colleges and universities out there. Don't go to this one if you don't agree with their insanity.
 
2014-07-13 08:57:34 PM  
There was a strip club in Portsmouth , VA near the shipyard named "Lickety Splits".

/good times, good times
 
2014-07-13 09:07:07 PM  
Some some sexual bigot from a few thousand years ago writes about how god hates the gays, now all these years later ignorant people can use what he said as a valid excuse for their own prejudice today?  Using the bible as authority to suppress people runs counter to what people say their religion is about, but not counter to what the bible actually says.

The problem is really that long ago before minorities were organized enough to represent themselves christian doctrine was made part of our legal code and now that religious organizations find people have a legal right to access what was a christian tradition they must choose between either excluding gay people through legislation, which isn't legal, or removing their christian tradition from the legal code("destroying marriage").  You can't have it both ways and I think even they are starting to realize it.
 
2014-07-13 09:33:33 PM  
I am gay. You'd think that would make me support this young lady but I also come from an evangelical background so I know that this lady knew exactly what would happen. I was sent home from Christian HS for having my hair too long. You know they damn well are not going to let a practicing lesbian attend school if thye know of it. And for all you guys who think Jesus was so lovey-dovey he also said he is the only way to Heaven, everyone else will burn in Hell. And when he told people not cast the first stone? It was because he was pointing out to them that Judgment is for God (in the afterlife), not because he was alright with sinning. He told that prostitute they were gonna kill, "Go, and sin no more." That is not validating her choice, that is saying "Change your ways or burn."

Any gay people who believes that Christianity is compatible with the life they live are fooling themselves.
 
2014-07-13 09:55:45 PM  
If what you value is not compatible with where you want to go to school, choose another. Done.
 
2014-07-13 10:26:57 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: And yes, you're right that many students don't realize they're gay, of course.  But simply  being gay wasn't what got her in trouble; it appears that getting married to a woman did.


So she should have lived in sin and lied instead?  That would be more moral?
 
2014-07-13 10:44:52 PM  
I know a transman who got a full scholarship to a Christian college (he didn't transition until long after graduation).

Yeah...his old school still doesn't know.  I find it kind of funny now.
 
2014-07-13 10:57:51 PM  
She chose... poorly. If you go to a religious post-secondary institution, this is the sort of shiat you're signing up for.
 
2014-07-13 11:15:31 PM  

ciberido: HMS_Blinkin: And yes, you're right that many students don't realize they're gay, of course.  But simply  being gay wasn't what got her in trouble; it appears that getting married to a woman did.

So she should have lived in sin and lied instead?  That would be more moral?


What the fark do I care about "moral?" Who cares about "living in sin?" These are artificial constructs.

She signed a legal document promising not to engage in certain behavior as a condition of her education. She then knowingly broke that contract. Now she's facing the consequences. I was merely suggesting one of several possible ways she could have avoided the situation entirely.
 
2014-07-13 11:18:45 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: DarkVader: Waldo Pepper: eshalis: I am gay and went to a liberal arts loosely Christian affiliated college.  If a GLBTQ person or anyone else wants to go to a crazy wacko right wing Christian college and is shocked that they actually dislike youhave rules against your behaviour, do not be surprised and complain.  Also from what this article said the credits are hard to transfer which makes me wonder if this is even a real college.

ftfy.

she would have been expelled if she had a job as a stripper, if she was caught smoking pot or any of the other behaviours the school says is a no.  do not secular colleges also have rules that if violated a student can be expelled.

She agreed to the rules when she agreed to go there. nobody forced her to go to a christian college and even if this was the only college her parents would pay for then she could have chosen a different option on for herself.

You're not paying attention.

THIS SCHOOL ACCEPTS FEDERAL MONEY.

The school agreed to certain conditions to get that money, one of which is that there will be no sex discrimination.

I believe I'm supposed to say, this wasn't sex discrimination, she could have married a man just like any other woman can .



"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." ---  Anatole France
 
2014-07-13 11:19:42 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: ciberido: HMS_Blinkin: And yes, you're right that many students don't realize they're gay, of course.  But simply  being gay wasn't what got her in trouble; it appears that getting married to a woman did.

So she should have lived in sin and lied instead?  That would be more moral?

What the fark do I care about "moral?" Who cares about "living in sin?" These are artificial constructs.


Then you really have nothing to contribute to this discussion.
 
2014-07-13 11:48:00 PM  
How is this any different than things that have happened at BYU time and time again?
 
2014-07-14 12:16:42 AM  
The solution is simple: Don't do business with bigoted scumbags. Be they a university, a restaurant, or any other asshole organization who thinks it is a moral imperative to tell you what you can do in the privacy of your own bedroom.

Eventually they will tire of losing money by being on the wrong side of history or they will go out of business. Either way the mission is accomplished.
 
2014-07-14 12:21:48 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: nekom: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.

Do any private universities receive government funds aside from things like research grants?


Brief answer: No.

Real answer: I taught at a Catholic university. At that university in Ohio, there is an entire floor of offices in a large, expensive new building devoted to the pursuit of nothing but government grants.
 
2014-07-14 12:34:43 AM  

Farking Canuck: The solution is simple: Don't do business with bigoted scumbags. Be they a university, a restaurant, or any other asshole organization who thinks it is a moral imperative to tell you what you can do in the privacy of your own bedroom.

Eventually they will tire of losing money by being on the wrong side of history or they will go out of business. Either way the mission is accomplished.


OK - but let's say these two women weren't just having sex in the privacy of their own bedroom.  Let's say for example, they were in a hot tub at my apartment.  I mean, honestly, I never thought anything like this would happen to me.  I got home from work on Saturday and decided to go unwind in the hot tub.  It was late and the pool was officially closed, so I thought what the hell.  I went down and realized I had forgotten my swim trunks.  No big deal I thought, it was late and I was all alone - or so I thought.  I turned the corner and these two hot babes were in the hot tub kissing!  One of them had her top off.  I tried to back away, but too late - they saw me.  To my surprise the one with no top motioned me over.  I said good evening and they said hi and asked me what I was doing at the pool so late.  I told them I worked for the power company and just got off shift.  The other girl slipped her top off and said "looks like you brought your power pole with you".  They both giggled and asked me to come in the pool.
 
2014-07-14 01:09:02 AM  

ciberido: Uchiha_Cycliste: DarkVader: Waldo Pepper: eshalis: I am gay and went to a liberal arts loosely Christian affiliated college.  If a GLBTQ person or anyone else wants to go to a crazy wacko right wing Christian college and is shocked that they actually dislike youhave rules against your behaviour, do not be surprised and complain.  Also from what this article said the credits are hard to transfer which makes me wonder if this is even a real college.

ftfy.

she would have been expelled if she had a job as a stripper, if she was caught smoking pot or any of the other behaviours the school says is a no.  do not secular colleges also have rules that if violated a student can be expelled.

She agreed to the rules when she agreed to go there. nobody forced her to go to a christian college and even if this was the only college her parents would pay for then she could have chosen a different option on for herself.

You're not paying attention.

THIS SCHOOL ACCEPTS FEDERAL MONEY.

The school agreed to certain conditions to get that money, one of which is that there will be no sex discrimination.

I believe I'm supposed to say, this wasn't sex discrimination, she could have married a man just like any other woman can .


"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." ---  Anatole France


great comeback!
 
2014-07-14 02:10:21 AM  

BrassArt: With this rant/list you've proven that a)you're less educated than they are, or b)public institutions of higher learning have aways to go themselves.


He is right that organizations exist specifically to accredit religious colleges that would never meet the requirements of any mainstream accreditation association.  One such is called American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, responsible for accrediting Patriot Bible University
, a notorious diploma mill in Del Norte, Colorado.
 
2014-07-14 07:11:15 AM  

ElLoco: Jeez. Christian schools have done exactly this since ever. It's part of the conditions for admission. A Christian University near me has student volunteers that prowl liquor store parking lots and the nude bars (which are distinctly outside the city limits) looking for University parking stickers on vehicles so they can rat out their fellow students and get them kicked. When they find one, they do rat them out. And they do get kicked.


I am surprised their degrees are worth anything more than the paper they are printed on, esp. when it comes to applying for post graduate studies at real universities.  Surely such places science degrees are the equivalent of the ones you get from online 'universities' which just take your money send you your doctorate in philosophy.
 
2014-07-14 07:29:46 AM  
"lickety split" PUN INTENDED?!?
 
2014-07-14 07:31:20 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: HMS_Blinkin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).

So if a private golf course founded by evangelicals said "No Jews because they killed our Lord" will you really just say that it's their right to do so?


I might not, but there are probably 5 Supreme Court Justices who think it's perfectly fine.
 
2014-07-14 07:45:01 AM  

ciberido: LewDux: Link
 Link

Are you posting that in the wrong thread, or is there some connection you'd like to explain?


I thought you atheists are good at thinking for yourselves. Apparently knot
 
2014-07-14 07:45:37 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?


Because it is a man and a women?  Just guessing.
 
2014-07-14 09:16:32 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think it's an issue worth debating. Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage? How is this any different?


To what extent can a school still get away with that?  Even Bob Jones University caved eventually.
 
2014-07-14 09:26:02 AM  

Langdon_777: I am surprised their degrees are worth anything more than the paper they are printed on, esp. when it comes to applying for post graduate studies at real universities. Surely such places science degrees are the equivalent of the ones you get from online 'universities' which just take your money send you your doctorate in philosophy.


There are "accreditation mills" that exist only to give worthless accreditations to religious diploma mills.  Other religious institutions have somehow managed to become accredited in fields they shouldn't have, and it does worry me.  Liberty University teaches biology.  BYU will expel faculty for teaching anything that does not agree with the doctrines of the LDS church, and yet allegedly has legitimate archeaology and anthropology courses.  (The issue here being not creationism, but rather the doctrine that Native Americans are descended from refugees from the middle east who built an entire civilization complete with roads, wheeled vehicles, and horses.  Twice.)  Are the faculty in these departments allowed to publish freely?  If not, it would be career suicide to accept a position there, and you would expect to find only the worst people in the field teaching there.
 
2014-07-14 10:08:29 AM  
While I don't agree with the schools position they have a right to it. Christian universities are so weird. I have seen ones that still expel you for next to nothing and others that are the lesbian capital of the world. While the universities actions are worthy of contempt in this case they aren't exactly surprising.
 
2014-07-14 10:50:06 AM  

Abracapocalypse: And for all you guys who think Jesus was so lovey-dovey he also said he is the only way to Heaven, everyone else will burn in Hell. And when he told people not cast the first stone? It was because he was pointing out to them that Judgment is for God (in the afterlife), not because he was alright with sinning. He told that prostitute they were gonna kill, "Go, and sin no more." That is not validating her choice, that is saying "Change your ways or burn."


Funny you should mention that.  You know who Jesus never said "Go, and sin no more"  to?  A gay man who asked Jesus to heal his gay lover.

And if judgement is for God, then it isn't for the university, now is it?
 
2014-07-14 10:51:48 AM  

LewDux: ciberido: LewDux: Link
 Link

Are you posting that in the wrong thread, or is there some connection you'd like to explain?

I thought you atheists are good at thinking for yourselves. Apparently knot


That insult would be a lot less lame if I actually were an atheist.
 
2014-07-14 10:52:02 AM  

LewDux: ciberido: LewDux: Link
 Link

Are you posting that in the wrong thread, or is there some connection you'd like to explain?

I thought you atheists are good at thinking for yourselves. Apparently knot


Um, I'm pretty sure that ciberido is a Christian (and one who actually tends to follow Christ's teachings, unlike most), not an atheist...
 
2014-07-14 10:53:15 AM  

Cold_Sassy: TuteTibiImperes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?

Because it is a man and a women?  Just guessing.


Try again.
 
2014-07-14 12:17:07 PM  
Sorta like signing a Homeowners Association contract stipulating certain rules such as not installing flag poles or flying flags.  Be an asshole, break the rules, cry to the press, and attempt to break the contract through public pressure.  Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.  I hope she wins.
 
2014-07-14 12:59:56 PM  

macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.


If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.

It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.

There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism.  It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".
 
2014-07-14 02:28:14 PM  

HowiPepper: Step 1: Go to Christian university
Step 2: Marry lesbian partner
Step 3: Share expulsion letter with CNN
Step 4:
[img.fark.net image 468x666]


That's pretty much it in a nutshell.  You just earned yourself a [Smart] vote.
 
2014-07-14 02:29:07 PM  

macross87: shortymac: macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.

If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.

It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.

There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism.  It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".

?

1 Cor 6:9,10
"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God's Kingdom."

Lesbianism is immoral...


That is St. Paul talking. Not Christ Himself. To attribute divinity to St. Paul's writings is blasphemous.
 
2014-07-14 02:43:25 PM  

macross87: shortymac: macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.

If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.

It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.

There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism.  It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".

?

1 Cor 6:9,10
"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God's Kingdom."

Lesbianism is immoral...


LOL.

;) like your snark,
 
2014-07-14 02:54:45 PM  

shortymac: macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.

If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.

It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.

There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism.  It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".


Then, there's the story of Ruth and Naomi, which pretty much glorifies and celebrates a lesbian relationship...
 
2014-07-14 03:31:49 PM  

macross87: shortymac: macross87: The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.

If you follow a strict interpretation of the bible, lesbianism is never expressly forbidden.

It says "man shall not lie with man", there is never a "woman shall not lie with woman". Granted, it's in the same chapter that bans pork, shellfish, etc but your average Jebus lover ignores that bc his pastor says so.

There's a romans verse floating around that people now claim talks about lesbianism doesn't actually mention lesbianism.  It could easily mean "the girls became sluts".

?

1 Cor 6:9,10
"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God's Kingdom."

Lesbianism is immoral...


Still doesn't mention Lesbianism, mentions MEN and homosexual acts, but not women.
 
2014-07-14 03:50:43 PM  

shortymac: Still doesn't mention Lesbianism, mentions MEN and homosexual acts, but not women.


Even the most evil, bigoted male recognizes that girl on girl action is awesome.

/sorry, don't make the rules just abide by them
 
2014-07-14 04:56:31 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: HMS_Blinkin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).

So if a private golf course founded by evangelicals said "No Jews because they killed our Lord" will you really just say that it's their right to do so?


Yes it is their right to do so but federal law may intervene. Also this is a dishonest analogy. Being a Jew or black etc is not by choice.

Remember she got expelled NOT because she is gay. She got expelled because she got married! For some strange reason people like you can't comprehend the differences.
Two very different things.

She also signed the pledge and I'm sure she knows darn well gay marriage would be a HUGE problem at her school. To deliberately do it a few weeks before her graduation and creating a shiatstorm sounds like AW to me.
 
2014-07-14 04:58:43 PM  
I want to know why she had to go all butch looking, because she was kind of cute in that picture they showed and now she looks harsh.

I am Bi and I have no problem with the action this school has taken. She should have been smart enough to realize that her marriage would create issues with the school's policy. A delay in getting married would have been in her best interest. Now I think she is playing the victim card for her own mistakes in the hope of making some kind of statement for gay rights.
 
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