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2014-07-13 11:01:34 AM  
But now people notice her.
 
2014-07-13 11:22:13 AM  
Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.
 
2014-07-13 11:35:11 AM  
Jeez. Christian schools have done exactly this since ever. It's part of the conditions for admission. A Christian University near me has student volunteers that prowl liquor store parking lots and the nude bars (which are distinctly outside the city limits) looking for University parking stickers on vehicles so they can rat out their fellow students and get them kicked. When they find one, they do rat them out. And they do get kicked.
 
2014-07-13 11:37:53 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.


As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.
 
2014-07-13 11:41:27 AM  
Meh, you're in a christian school (not a great one at that) living in the buckle of the bible belt.  If you didn't know this would happen, that education was more worthless than I thought.

/you couldn't wait until after college to get married?
 
2014-07-13 11:59:41 AM  
If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?
 
2014-07-13 11:59:52 AM  
This is why I don't support Christian colleges, because they're really not Christian.

They are just advertised that way.
 
2014-07-13 12:00:53 PM  

Saborlas: If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?


Who pissed on your corn flakes this morning?
 
2014-07-13 12:02:15 PM  
If you attend a Christian university and decide to marry your lesbian partner, you best believe you will be expelled from school lickety split for licking slit
 
2014-07-13 12:08:10 PM  

Saborlas: If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-13 12:20:04 PM  

nekom: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.


Do any private universities receive government funds aside from things like research grants?
 
2014-07-13 12:23:03 PM  
I'm just gonna stick with the lesbian lickety split.
 
2014-07-13 12:40:51 PM  
This isn't attention whoring at all.
 
2014-07-13 12:42:20 PM  
So she signs a "contract" with regards to morality & therefore discrimination is an acceptable outcome if the terms of this "contract" are violated in some manner?

Yeah, that doesn't sound right...
 
2014-07-13 12:48:01 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.


I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?

Schools and businesses do have some leeway over their students' and employees' lives, but there should be limits.  Drugs are still technically illegal even where they're legal at the state level so I can kind of see businesses having the right there, but what about businesses that fire people for using tobacco outside of work, should that be legal?

There need to be more protections for individuals against institutional repercussion for what they do in their private lives.
 
2014-07-13 01:07:56 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: nekom: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.

Do any private universities receive government funds aside from things like research grants?


At the major medical schools grants is pretty much what keeps the lights on.

As for other universities, loans are generally federally backed. Without that it's unlikely that the same number of students would attend.
 
2014-07-13 01:13:00 PM  

enry: At the major medical schools grants is pretty much what keeps the lights on.


So the government gets something of value for its money, meaning that it's not money simply given to the school to use as they see fit.

enry: As for other universities, loans are generally federally backed. Without that it's unlikely that the same number of students would attend.


Given that the student is held responsible for their own loans after they are through with school, I don't consider this federal funding.

When I think of federal funding I think of money that goes to schools without conditions, like subsidies for campus expansion or for students in majors the government decides to promote.
 
2014-07-13 01:19:08 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?


It depends on what the student signs. This looks like a girl who found a way to get on CNN.
 
2014-07-13 01:22:13 PM  

AirForceVet: This is why I don't support Christian colleges, because they're really not Christian.

They are just advertised that way.


The Jesus factor allows them to discriminate and gives them a tax breal.

/good headline subby!
 
2014-07-13 01:31:41 PM  

enry: Adolf Oliver Nipples: nekom: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.

Do any private universities receive government funds aside from things like research grants?

At the major medical schools grants is pretty much what keeps the lights on.

As for other universities, loans are generally federally backed. Without that it's unlikely that the same number of students would attend.


Plus Pell grants.
 
2014-07-13 01:36:25 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: enry: At the major medical schools grants is pretty much what keeps the lights on.

So the government gets something of value for its money, meaning that it's not money simply given to the school to use as they see fit.

enry: As for other universities, loans are generally federally backed. Without that it's unlikely that the same number of students would attend.

Given that the student is held responsible for their own loans after they are through with school, I don't consider this federal funding.

When I think of federal funding I think of money that goes to schools without conditions, like subsidies for campus expansion or for students in majors the government decides to promote.


The government does get something for it, but anywhere up to 66% of a researcher's grant gets taken by the university as overhead. IT, buildings and grounds, school administration, etc. all come out of that overhead. The school is generally able to use it as they see fit. Same with the researcher once they get their money. They may put in the grant budget that they're going to buy one microscope from a manufacturer and instead buy a different model from another vendor. Or hire more staff is the money is unrestricted.

There's no guarantee the researcher will find anything, that's the nature of basic research. So there's a good possibility the government gets nothing out of it. It does mean that researcher may have a harder time securing grants in Tue future so it's in their interest to get some kind if results.
 
2014-07-13 01:38:10 PM  

cmunic8r99: enry: Adolf Oliver Nipples: nekom: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

As long as they aren't receiving any government funding, this.

Do any private universities receive government funds aside from things like research grants?

At the major medical schools grants is pretty much what keeps the lights on.

As for other universities, loans are generally federally backed. Without that it's unlikely that the same number of students would attend.

Plus Pell grants.


That too. Maybe work study? I've worked in research schools for the past 12 years so I rarely interacted with students.
 
2014-07-13 02:23:36 PM  

basemetal: Meh, you're in a christian school (not a great one at that) living in the buckle of the bible belt.  If you didn't know this would happen, that education was more worthless than I thought.

/you couldn't wait until after college to get married?


Pretty much this.  Play by their rules, graduate, get married and do a hot lesbian sex video wearing school attire...
 
2014-07-13 02:51:33 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.


Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).
 
2014-07-13 02:52:40 PM  
If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.
 
2014-07-13 02:54:23 PM  
http://notalllikethat.org/

Just gonna leave that here. 'Cause we're Not All Like That.
 
2014-07-13 02:56:01 PM  
If you attend a Christian university and decide to marry your lesbian partner, you best believe you will be expelled from school lickety split


emotibot.net
 
2014-07-13 02:56:19 PM  

slayer199: basemetal: Meh, you're in a christian school (not a great one at that) living in the buckle of the bible belt.  If you didn't know this would happen, that education was more worthless than I thought.

/you couldn't wait until after college to get married?

Pretty much this.  Play by their rules, graduate, get married and do a hot lesbian sex video wearing school attire...


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2014-07-13 02:56:36 PM  

indylaw: If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.


Whole lotta this.
 
2014-07-13 02:57:08 PM  
As long as her partner ain't BLACK.

Right?
 
2014-07-13 02:57:43 PM  
"As an American and a Christian, I do respect your choice," the administrator wrote. "(But) I have to uphold the Lifestyle Covenant at SCU and confront you with our position.

As an judgmental moralistic finger pointer, i have to say that your lifestyle makes me want to vomit, and you are definitely going to burn in hell because God loves you. So get the fark out. Now.

//Seriously, how can you call yourself a "Christian", who is not supposed to judge, lest you be judged, and yet, you expel someone who has found love, be it a kind you don't understand or agree with? Seems like you :"Christians" like to use what parts of the bible fit your liking, and the others you just ignore. Wasn't one of "Jesus" teachings to accept and tolerate those who are different from you? Guess you kinda forgot that part in your moralistic ravings.didn't ya?

///Dumbass tag should be for the lesbian woman who was a member, and expected them to accept her and her partner. That was stupid. She should have known better.
 
2014-07-13 02:58:08 PM  
So stop believing stupid shiat that isn't even real. Problem solved.
Then go to a real college, and get a real degree.
 
2014-07-13 03:02:20 PM  

AirForceVet: Saborlas: If you attend a Christian university of your own volition, you deserve every bad thing they do to you. I'm fairly certain that many are not accredited by any reasonable organization (some are only accredited by organizations created specifically to accredit BS schools) and a degree from such a place is worthless. We're talking people who say that Pi is equal to three because the bible says so (I Kings 7:23-26, do the math). I wouldn't walk on a bridge designed by someone using the biblical value of Pi.

If your parents force you to attend a Christian university out of some wrong-headed delusion that it will "fix" a part of you that isn't actually broken, they're sh*theads and they deserve to lose contact with you forever... at least up until the point where you put them in a retirement home and import some rats.

If you are a member of the faculty at some fake-accredited Christian university, you are part of the problem and I automatically assume your degree is equivalent to a Cracker Jack prize. I will not trust your word on anything. You could say the sun rises in the east and I'd still hit up Snopes.

If you are the class pet at some Christian university, I pity you because they probably get the crappiest pet food from some bible-thumping pet store that cares more about the appearance of being christian than poor Mittens' well being.

If you are the rich billionaire creating these whack-ass Christian universities, GO SH*T GLASS SHARDS, YOU SOCIAL SABOTEUR!

Did I leave anyone out?

Who pissed on your corn flakes this morning?


Dawkins didn't give him a hand jibber last night.
 
2014-07-13 03:03:15 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).


So if a private golf course founded by evangelicals said "No Jews because they killed our Lord" will you really just say that it's their right to do so?
 
2014-07-13 03:04:37 PM  

indylaw: If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.


Yep.  There's a big difference between mainline protestant/catholic higher education and the derpier denominations/schools.  There are some outstanding colleges and universities out there that are affiliated (to various degrees) with different religions, but as you point out, those are generally associated with mainline protestantism/catholicism.  It also seems that the good christian universities are generally located in the northeast and midwest, which I'm sure isn't a coincidence.

But here we have 1) an evangelical school located in 2) Oklahoma.  Being not gay or being happy about staying in the closet until graduation are really the only options in that kind of environment.
 
2014-07-13 03:06:31 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: If you attend a Christian university and decide to marry your lesbian partner, you best believe you will be expelled from school lickety split for licking slit


That's the joke.
 
2014-07-13 03:08:40 PM  

Mugato: TuteTibiImperes: I think it's an issue worth debating.  Would you feel the school is within its rights to expel a student for entering into an interracial marriage?  How is this any different?

It depends on what the student signs. This looks like a girl who found a way to get on CNN.


She acknowledged understanding and signing the contract. Her complaint is that she is aware of other students also breaking the conduct code - in different ways - but not being punished by full expulsion.
 
2014-07-13 03:09:10 PM  
Hey, it was a lot of fun when we were oppressing *other* people, but *now* they're oppressing *me*!
 
2014-07-13 03:09:18 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: "As an American and a Christian, I do respect your choice," the administrator wrote. "(But) I have to uphold the Lifestyle Covenant at SCU and confront you with our position.

As an judgmental moralistic finger pointer, i have to say that your lifestyle makes me want to vomit, and you are definitely going to burn in hell because God loves you. So get the fark out. Now.

//Seriously, how can you call yourself a "Christian", who is not supposed to judge, lest you be judged, and yet, you expel someone who has found love, be it a kind you don't understand or agree with? Seems like you :"Christians" like to use what parts of the bible fit your liking, and the others you just ignore. Wasn't one of "Jesus" teachings to accept and tolerate those who are different from you? Guess you kinda forgot that part in your moralistic ravings.didn't ya?

///Dumbass tag should be for the lesbian woman who was a member, and expected them to accept her and her partner. That was stupid. She should have known better.


They genuinely believe that God will take it out on them if they allow it.  Hurricanes, tornados, other natural disasters are all caused by God being pissed about something.
 
2014-07-13 03:09:51 PM  
I'm sure there are some "Christian" universities that aren't complete assholes.  She should look into one of those.
 
2014-07-13 03:11:46 PM  
The bible is against homosexuality. That part is clear.
 
2014-07-13 03:13:46 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: So if a private golf course founded by evangelicals said "No Jews because they killed our Lord" will you really just say that it's their right to do so?


Yes. I don't have to like it but barring a law it's their right to associate with whomever they want to.
 
2014-07-13 03:14:08 PM  
Was it Oral Roberts?
 
2014-07-13 03:16:15 PM  
Step 1: Go to Christian university
Step 2: Marry lesbian partner
Step 3: Share expulsion letter with CNN
Step 4:
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2014-07-13 03:16:35 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: HMS_Blinkin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).

So if a private golf course founded by evangelicals said "No Jews because they killed our Lord" will you really just say that it's their right to do so?


is the golf course defined as a religious organization according to US Tax Code and the CRA 1964? Like the university you are comparing it to? Yes? Sure, they can tell Jews to piss off all they want.

No? Then it's an irrelevant comparison.
 
2014-07-13 03:23:00 PM  
 
2014-07-13 03:23:04 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: So she signs a "contract" with regards to morality


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2014-07-13 03:24:25 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-13 03:24:54 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: HMS_Blinkin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Their university, their rules. Just like if someone makes you take a drug test to work for them, it doesn't matter if you think it's harmless, it's their rules. But that makes too much sense, so when it all goes wrong they should call CNN and complain.

Yeah.  I'm a rabid supporter of LGBT rights and equality, but it's a private university.  They can make up whatever damn rules they want.  Go to ANY public university in the country and this wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least you could sue someone's face off if it was a problem).

So if a private golf course founded by evangelicals said "No Jews because they killed our Lord" will you really just say that it's their right to do so?


Doesn't Augusta still not allow women?  I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'm pretty sure that they're still allowed to be exclusive.  And if a golf course did that, I certainly wouldn't want to golf there (not that I golf anyway, but I'd especially avoid THAT golf course).

Besides, I think there's a slight distinction.  All universities and colleges have rules for students to follow, and students face consequences if they break them.  She wasn't denied entrance for being gay, she was kicked  out for breaking a contract she'd signed by getting married to another woman.  I think the analogy you're looking for would be closer to a golf club that made people sign contracts saying they wouldn't wear a yarmulke on the golf course.  If the member signs that contract saying they agree not to wear a yarmulke, then breaking that contract by actively doing something that's against the rule would be grounds for some kind of consequence.  But simply  being Jewish wouldn't be a reason not to let someone join the club in the first place.

Similarly, this woman was gay before she attended the university, but she nonetheless signed (as an adult) a contract saying she wouldn't be gay (and I'm sure a lot of other BS as well) as a condition of attending the school.  She broke a contract that she signed.  I don't like the rule, and I don't like the contract, but she signed it.  She had the chance to go to one of many, MANY other colleges that wouldn't have made her sign any "covenant."  And even then, she had a chance to put off getting married until after graduation.

I don't think "don't be gay" is a good rule, but if the university isn't public, and if the students are voluntarily signing these contracts, then there's not much to be done about it.  There was a derpy evangelical university near my home when I grew up that included "no sex" rules as part of the signing requirements for students---so even consenting adults (straight or gay) caught having sex could be expelled.  It's stupid, but people kept signing the document and going to school there.

As long as no civil rights law is being broken, then the university in question is free to do as it pleases.
 
2014-07-13 03:27:38 PM  

indylaw: If you go to an Episcopal university or a Congregationalist university or a non weird Lutheran university or a Methodist university or even a mainstream Catholic university, nah. But if you go to a university containing any permutation of Pentecost or holiness or baptist in the name and they make you sign a catch all lifestyle pledge, you might want to make sure you're not gay or that you're ok hiding it until graduation.


One day, someone, less lazy than me, will write the Broadway musical which sets Heaven in a gay bar, and follows the adventures of the newly arrived from a college bus wreck on its way to a compassionate conservate rally.  There'll be black and white movie flashbacks where the crowd at the bar hoot at the arrivals loving thoughts and actions. One of the college boys will want to go back and change the word Christian to Not-Gay in all the outfits that hijacked the name.
 
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