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2014-07-13 03:02:54 AM  
When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?
 
2014-07-13 07:30:56 AM  
FTA: "...doctors and others involved in Montin's treatment relied on information from initial police reports that said Montin was delusional, rather than court records that showed otherwise."

Why on Earth would anybody rely on anything in a police report? Their only purposes are to cover up officers' crimes and excuse otherwise inexcusable behavior.

Also:
www.cnacareeragency.com
Unavailable for comment.
 
2014-07-13 08:47:03 AM  

Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?


you quoted the article, so i'm going to assume you read it.... is it a reading-comprehension issue?  the sentence right before the one you quoted says that "a regional center psychiatrist found that it was medicine Montin had taken for his injured back that had led to a medication-induced psychosis"
 
2014-07-13 08:48:35 AM  

Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?


I read into that, that he was delusional at the time because of the medication. In the time between the crime and after the trial, he was no longer on the medication.

More pertinently, I think it's far more worrying that the state of mental health care is so incompetent that a sane man can spend 20 years in a psychiatric hospital and not found to be sane.
 
2014-07-13 08:49:43 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "...doctors and others involved in Montin's treatment relied on information from initial police reports that said Montin was delusional, rather than court records that showed otherwise."

Why on Earth would anybody rely on anything in a police report? Their only purposes are to cover up officers' crimes and excuse otherwise inexcusable behavior.

Also:

Unavailable for comment.


Sounds like the hospital relied on the police report written by a comparative layman rather than a report written by a professional. Which, in and of itself, is nuts.

Also, I love your username in this case. Is your MD in psychiatry, perhaps...?
 
2014-07-13 08:51:48 AM  

Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?


There's always one of you type in every god damn thread.
 
2014-07-13 08:51:50 AM  
And all of us are still walking free.
Can't they get anything right?
 
2014-07-13 08:55:51 AM  
"So, how long have you had a weak back?"

"Oh for about 20 plus years now."
 
2014-07-13 08:58:27 AM  

starsrift: Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?

I read into that, that he was delusional at the time because of the medication. In the time between the crime and after the trial, he was no longer on the medication.


Hmm...guess there's a small window where neither a drug company nor the patient can be held responsible for crimes caused by the medication?  Thinking after this incident the company would have to include 'may cause criminal delusions' as a side effect to stay in the clear.
 
2014-07-13 08:58:42 AM  
starsrift:

More pertinently, I think it's far more worrying that the state of mental health care is so incompetent that a sane man can spend 20 years in a psychiatric hospital and not found to be sane.

Being in a psychiatric hospital can MAKE you crazy.

/in before Suicidal Tendencies
/I'M NOT CRAZY, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S CRAZY, YOU'RE DRIVING ME CRAZY
 
2014-07-13 09:00:11 AM  
Crazy doesn't even look like a word.  It looks Russian somehow, like it should be pronouced with a short A.

Or is it a long A?  I mean the wone that doesn't sound like the letter is pronounced.
 
2014-07-13 09:00:55 AM  

Katolu: Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?

There's always one of you type in every god damn thread.


Hey man, if a property owner wants to string a steel cable across an ATV path, but fails to post private property or no-trespassing signs and it kills an ATV rider, then that's the ATV riders problem cause Ron Paul says the Fed is corrupt and America was founded on the Gold Standard. *Eagle Screech* *Gadsden Flag* *Never Forget* o7
 
2014-07-13 09:01:29 AM  
What was the medicine?
 
2014-07-13 09:02:15 AM  

Theory Of Null: What was the medicine?


Ibuprofen.
 
2014-07-13 09:03:00 AM  
There was a play by Joe Orton, I believe, whose entire premise is that a psychiatrist really wants to bone this dude's wife, so he has the guy declared insane in the first act. The entire remainder of the play consists of the guy trying to convince the psych ward that he isn't crazy, and the staff takes every argument he makes as evidence that he is. "Oh, of course you dressed yourself, drank coffee, and read the newspaper this morning. That's exactly the kind of thing a crazy person would do to try to convince us he's sane."
 
2014-07-13 09:07:10 AM  
"That man's nuts grab 'em!"
 
2014-07-13 09:08:08 AM  

FnkyTwn: Katolu: Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?

There's always one of you type in every god damn thread.

Hey man, if a property owner wants to string a steel cable across an ATV path, but fails to post private property or no-trespassing signs and it kills an ATV rider, then that's the ATV riders problem cause Ron Paul says the Fed is corrupt and America was founded on the Gold Standard. *Eagle Screech* *Gadsden Flag* *Never Forget* o7


heh FAIL!
 
2014-07-13 09:16:42 AM  

DrPainMD: Also:
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Unavailable for comment.


She also played a Kai who betrayed her faith to the Pah Wraiths
images2.wikia.nocookie.net


rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com
And the Pah Wraiths try to convince Sisko that he's just a crazy 1950's Negro in a mental hospital with uppity delusions of being a 24th Century captain leading the war not just against the Dominion, but is also one of the Prophet's Emissaries that could lead to the downfall of the Pah Wraiths. If they could convince him that he's just nuts, then evil will win and the Galaxy will burn.

IT ALL FITS TOGETHER NOW!!!!

But seriously, it's no surprise that the so-called Nebraska mental "health care" complex is responsible for all of this. Their whole system really is something straight out of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and hasn't attempted to take one step into the 21st Century. It's not a place to help people heal. It's just a gulag system meant to stick in people who were caught being "odd" and keep them there forever in order to generate federal funding. And the most insidious thing? The longer you are trapped in such a Hell-hole, the more likely you ARE going to snap and then the doctors & nurses will all go "See? SEE?? He/She IS crazy!".

This guy is god damn lucky he found a doctor who recognized that he was sane. Otherwise, he was doomed to end up as ashes in a copper can on a forgotten shelf one day.
 
2014-07-13 09:17:11 AM  
In Mississippi a group of graduating MD's (10 in this case) for there thesis were committed to an Institution there.  They were becoming shrinks themselves.  The MD's Professes wanted to have them write about it when their three weeks there ended.

There was only one problem though.  They did not tell any of the workers or MD at the place that they were not mentally insane.  They intake paperwork was all made up.

When the Professor from the local College showed up he asked the graduating MDs why they hadn't come back to school at the end of the three weeks.  The Institution did not believe any of the 10 MDs.

The College had to have their lawyers get these people out.  The Institution first said no, the paperwork is in order and their all have mental illnesses..

When the lawyers took them to court (asap) they people at the Institution then changed their story and said that we know that this was an experiment from the local Collage but that all 10 had real mental illness and their were a danger to society.

The person I spoke with about this mess about two months after that said that just like cops who think everyone is guilty of something, Institutions think that if someone is committed then in fact they all are mentally ill.

The moral of the story, stay the hell away from cops, lawyers and mental health "professionals".

/Crazy Talk
 
2014-07-13 09:17:14 AM  
I read his last name as "Motrin."
 
2014-07-13 09:18:05 AM  
content6.flixster.com
 
2014-07-13 09:20:00 AM  
I realize this is Fark and all but this kinda makes me a bit angry. His only crime was, "1993 incident in which he was accused of walking up to rural house, declaring it had belonged to his ancestors and that he was taking it back" and he gets locked up for 20 years????

There are actual crazy people, and families of crazy people who are desperately trying to get in a safe(?), secure facility or perhaps get some sort of treatment and support. They can't get help because there isn't money or the will to try. This guy the system decides to spend money on and to fark over? WTF??

Let's hope the facts in the article are up to the usual high journalistic standards we've come to expect over the past 10 years and this situation wasn't such a cluster fark of a farking fark up.

Apparently I really need my coffee now.
 
2014-07-13 09:21:12 AM  
s11.postimg.org
 
2014-07-13 09:23:09 AM  
This scenario is exactly why the streets in many cities are filled with homeless people. Most psychiatric hospitals were shut down after the invention of psychiatric medications made most crazy people into sane people .... As long as they took their medication regularly. With Nurses delivering their pills at 8, 11, and 3 - and making sure those pills got swallowed, the hospitals were soon filled with 'normal' people.

Thus came one of those glorious moments where the good intentions of the Left met up with the economic pragmatism of the Right.

The Left was all about "setting the people free" who were apparently locked away because they were 'different' (and only slightly so when they were medicated).

The Right was lured in by the cost savings. Pills are so much cheaper than hospitals -which seemed unnecessary anyhow. The medication was what helped people; the hospitals were only places to deliver pills.

Unfortunately, history has shown us that  people who don't take their medication if no one makes them do it are just as nuts as ever.
 
2014-07-13 09:24:44 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "...doctors and others involved in Montin's treatment relied on information from initial police reports that said Montin was delusional, rather than court records that showed otherwise."

Why on Earth would anybody rely on anything in a police report? Their only purposes are to cover up officers' crimes and excuse otherwise inexcusable behavior.

Also:

Unavailable for comment.


I always thought she was so freaking hot.

/lock me up and give me a lobotomy!
 
2014-07-13 09:25:28 AM  

FnkyTwn: Katolu: Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?

There's always one of you type in every god damn thread.

Hey man, if a property owner wants to string a steel cable across an ATV path, but fails to post private property or no-trespassing signs and it kills an ATV rider, then that's the ATV riders problem cause Ron Paul says the Fed is corrupt and America was founded on the Gold Standard. *Eagle Screech* *Gadsden Flag* *Never Forget* o7


If you ride an ATV, then you're already dead, you just have had your soul put into a gem by some farking bunnycat thing and you are no longer a human.  Also your butt smells and you are a butt and you smell like a butt.
 
2014-07-13 09:26:11 AM  
TV's Vinnie: IT ALL FITS TOGETHER NOW!!!!

Oy vey.
 
2014-07-13 09:29:28 AM  
But man, fark Ronald Reagan for shutting down all the mentals hospitals becuz he was teh EVIL DICTATOR REPUBLICAN OLIGARHY THAT HATED POORZ AND WIMMENZ, amirite?

There's no way the mental hospital system was all THAT bad!!!
 
2014-07-13 09:35:10 AM  

Lokkii: This scenario is exactly why the streets in many cities are filled with homeless people. Most psychiatric hospitals were shut down after the invention of psychiatric medications made most crazy people into sane people .... As long as they took their medication regularly. With Nurses delivering their pills at 8, 11, and 3 - and making sure those pills got swallowed, the hospitals were soon filled with 'normal' people.

Thus came one of those glorious moments where the good intentions of the Left met up with the economic pragmatism of the Right.

The Left was all about "setting the people free" who were apparently locked away because they were 'different' (and only slightly so when they were medicated).

The Right was lured in by the cost savings. Pills are so much cheaper than hospitals -which seemed unnecessary anyhow. The medication was what helped people; the hospitals were only places to deliver pills.

Unfortunately, history has shown us that  people who don't take their medication if no one makes them do it are just as nuts as ever.


notsureifserious.jpg

It's the mindset like your's that lead to people being dumped into these gulags and left forgotten.

And those drugs you seem to be so proud of? They're not doing jack squat to help the victims. Just covering up the outer signs so that no one else has to see them. It's like a chemical lobotomy. On the outside the victim is robot-like, but on the inside they're locked in a squirming frenzy that's their own inner Hell. It's a pharmaceutical form of torture.
 
2014-07-13 09:37:06 AM  
My sister used to work with medical records, and she told me a story of an unscrupulous man who had his wife squirreled away, heavily medicated, for 50 years at a local institution before one of the younger doctors took an interest in her case and determined that there has never actually been anything wrong with her. The story was a nightmare.

My father has dealt with a host of serious health problems in the past 3 years, and I have seen him in all variety of compromised mental states--delusional, hallucinatory, euphoric... He doesn't remember almost anything related to his illnesses, though, doesn't remember the suffering and the wildly disparate mental states, except for one episode, where he had a blood clot in his leg and he was hallucinating from the pain. He does remember that, and he does remember it as being completely harrowing, but that alone hasn't been enough of a deterrent to make him stop smoking. All that other awful stuff he endured, I have to remember it for him, and in the telling it's no more real to him than if I were reading a bedtime story.

It's astonishing he's still alive, really, with all his body has endured. And I guess my point is that, were I an awful human being, I have had ample opportunity to have him quietly tucked away on antipsychotics for the rest of his days. What a terrible fate that would be for anyone to endure.
 
2014-07-13 09:38:36 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "...doctors and others involved in Montin's treatment relied on information from initial police reports that said Montin was delusional, rather than court records that showed otherwise."

Why on Earth would anybody rely on anything in a police report?


Yeah, I mean, aren't there some kind of tests they do to determine whether or not someone is sane? Or do they really just rely on third-hand reports from non-qualified laymen?

Also:

images.tvrage.com
 
2014-07-13 09:43:26 AM  
In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team. *cue music*

Murdoch would fit right in.
 
2014-07-13 09:52:59 AM  

RobSeace: DrPainMD: FTA: "...doctors and others involved in Montin's treatment relied on information from initial police reports that said Montin was delusional, rather than court records that showed otherwise."

Why on Earth would anybody rely on anything in a police report?

Yeah, I mean, aren't there some kind of tests they do to determine whether or not someone is sane? Or do they really just rely on third-hand reports from non-qualified laymen?


Isn't there a famous case where some Professor sent people into mental hospitals claiming they had heard voices, but didn't hear them anymore (in other words, were completely normal at the present moment) and many of them were accepted as patients and weren't released, despite being completely sane.

The hospitals were burned once but when the Professor said he was sending another round of fake subjects their way, they claimed to have discovered many of the fakers and sent them away. But the 2nd round wasn't actually sent, so they had turned away as fakers many people who felt they were having real issues.

I didn't explain this very well but it's pretty damn LOL and Epic FAIL and whatnot.
 
2014-07-13 09:57:32 AM  
Why is he sueing?
Life is beautiful there all the time.
 
2014-07-13 09:58:13 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Lokkii: This scenario is exactly why the streets in many cities are filled with homeless people. Most psychiatric hospitals were shut down after the invention of psychiatric medications made most crazy people into sane people .... As long as they took their medication regularly. With Nurses delivering their pills at 8, 11, and 3 - and making sure those pills got swallowed, the hospitals were soon filled with 'normal' people.

Thus came one of those glorious moments where the good intentions of the Left met up with the economic pragmatism of the Right.

The Left was all about "setting the people free" who were apparently locked away because they were 'different' (and only slightly so when they were medicated).

The Right was lured in by the cost savings. Pills are so much cheaper than hospitals -which seemed unnecessary anyhow. The medication was what helped people; the hospitals were only places to deliver pills.

Unfortunately, history has shown us that  people who don't take their medication if no one makes them do it are just as nuts as ever.

notsureifserious.jpg

It's the mindset like your's that lead to people being dumped into these gulags and left forgotten.

And those drugs you seem to be so proud of? They're not doing jack squat to help the victims. Just covering up the outer signs so that no one else has to see them. It's like a chemical lobotomy. On the outside the victim is robot-like, but on the inside they're locked in a squirming frenzy that's their own inner Hell. It's a pharmaceutical form of torture.


WTF? Where did that burst of rage come from? Are you taking your medication? I don't think so. Well, take them now or we're going to have to lock you away, OK?
 
2014-07-13 10:04:01 AM  
David Rosenhan "On being sane in insane places "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
 
2014-07-13 10:06:06 AM  

grokca: Why is he sueing?
Life is beautiful there all the time.


I, for one, one be happy to see the nice young men in their clean white coats, and the basketweavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and their toes...
 
2014-07-13 10:13:37 AM  

LadySusan: I realize this is Fark and all but this kinda makes me a bit angry. His only crime was, "1993 incident in which he was accused of walking up to rural house, declaring it had belonged to his ancestors and that he was taking it back" and he gets locked up for 20 years????


FTA: A Hayes County jury found him not responsible by reason of insanity of two charges: false imprisonment and use of a weapon. He was acquitted of more serious charges of attempted murder and another weapons charge.

Now, he was acquitted of the latter two, but an NGIR defense is an affirmative defense saying "yes, I did it, but I wasn't sane, so I'm not responsible." So, he did more than "walked up to a rural house, declare it belong to his ancestors and that he was talking it back." He apparently was a home invader who held the occupants at gunpoint and apparently fired at least once (probably into the wall or roof or something).

And yeah, that's the result when you plead NGIR... You're admitting that you're not sane and a danger to yourself or others, and you get locked up until you are no longer a danger. And that can be life, if necessary, even though you'd only have gotten a year or two in prison for whatever minor crime you committed.

Contrary to the movies, people don't use the insanity plea for funsies.
 
2014-07-13 10:15:51 AM  

Mister Peejay: starsrift:

More pertinently, I think it's far more worrying that the state of mental health care is so incompetent that a sane man can spend 20 years in a psychiatric hospital and not found to be sane.

Being in a psychiatric hospital can MAKE you crazy.

/in before Suicidal Tendencies
/I'M NOT CRAZY, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S CRAZY, YOU'RE DRIVING ME CRAZY


He'll probably get hit by a car, anyway.
 
2014-07-13 10:22:54 AM  

RobSeace: DrPainMD: FTA: "...doctors and others involved in Montin's treatment relied on information from initial police reports that said Montin was delusional, rather than court records that showed otherwise."

Why on Earth would anybody rely on anything in a police report?

Yeah, I mean, aren't there some kind of tests they do to determine whether or not someone is sane? Or do they really just rely on third-hand reports from non-qualified laymen?



To avoid mistakes in the future they should go with a hand stamping system:


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============================================

Seriously-- how many other sane people are locked up in that hospital?

The state or feds desperately need to swoop in with an independent team of experts and do a thorough audit/review of each patient.
 
2014-07-13 10:23:01 AM  

LadySusan: His only crime was, "1993 incident in which he was accused of walking up to rural house, declaring it had belonged to his ancestors and that he was taking it back" and he gets locked up for 20 years????


Somehow multiple weapons charges and attempted murder got in the mix... So, I'm guessing the article may have been underselling what actually happened.
 
2014-07-13 10:26:34 AM  

Prophet of Loss: [s11.postimg.org image 850x592]


Yeah, there's there's the rest of the story.

F him.
 
2014-07-13 10:32:03 AM  
Also, how on earth does a psychiatrist deal with the religious?

So, Mr. ImNotCrazyAtAll-- you say you have a "Father" that is invisible, lives in the sky, is all-powerful and all-knowing, and this "Lord" listens to your thoughts and sometimes gives you advice via his psychic powers?

Really-- How can ANY competent mental health professional watch a Pentecostal speaking in tongues and NOT demand the person start taking heavy medication of some sort?
 
2014-07-13 10:34:28 AM  
Illegal alien children are being disappeared into America.

How long before US citizens are disappearing from America?

Article answers the question
 
2014-07-13 10:54:40 AM  

Riche: Also, how on earth does a psychiatrist deal with the religious?

So, Mr. ImNotCrazyAtAll-- you say you have a "Father" that is invisible, lives in the sky, is all-powerful and all-knowing, and this "Lord" listens to your thoughts and sometimes gives you advice via his psychic powers?

Really-- How can ANY competent mental health professional watch a Pentecostal speaking in tongues and NOT demand the person start taking heavy medication of some sort?


If you can function in society, you are sane. What is functioning? Can you hold a job or a relationship for an extended period of time. Funny thing, there used to be a 'religious experience' exemption for some form of psychosis or another in the DSM-IV. They supposedly removed that exemption in the DSM-V to much criticism. The long and short of it is that if you're not a threat to yourself or others, then who really cares if you see pink Christina Agulera monsters?
 
2014-07-13 10:56:24 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Prophet of Loss: [s11.postimg.org image 850x592]

Yeah, there's there's the rest of the story.

F him.


I dunno. He fired 8 shots into the air. No people or vehicles were hit, so he probably was firing into the air. If he was having a psychotic break then I can give him a pass after he's been cleared and it's been determined it was the drug.

On the other hand it seemed like he was facing up to 50 years for false imprisonment, and then a MANDITORY 20+20 years to be served consecutively for the two guns, so I could see the necessity of claiming being crazy.

On the other-other hand. He drove allllll the way from Florida, claimed to be Native American and was trying to reclaim his ancestral lands... which sounds like a classic psychotic break. Its not like he killed his ex-girlfriend and then claimed being crazy.

Years ago some guy opened fire on the White House, which kinda already puts you in the crazy category, but before he left home he killed his 26 cats, which puts him into a whole other realm of crazy, but they still tried to prosecute him as sane, and it all just seemed like a big waste of time.

Either way, 20 years is a long time to spend in jail or an asylum, ESPECIALLY if the original evidence pointed to it being drug fueled for a real medical issue.

I'd give him a million dollars broken up over 10 years.
 
2014-07-13 10:57:02 AM  
More detailed article:

http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/man-sues-reg io nal-center-says-misdiagnosis-kept-him-locked-up/article_9b4857c6-fb5d- 5759-8625-9aed42023d43.html

Some highlights:

It started in 2012, when Lincoln attorney Jon Braaten persuaded Dr. Klaus Hartmann, a psychiatrist at the regional center, to read a 500-page transcript of Montin's 1993 trial in Hayes County.
....
But jurors found him not guilty of attempted murder and a second weapons charge, and prosecutors dropped 22 other charges originally filed against him.
....
Lawmen said Montin, who was on a trip from Florida, walked up to a rural home in southwestern Nebraska, saying it belonged to his ancestors and that he was taking it back. Law enforcement called it an 11-hour standoff that ended with a shootout, but no one was injured.

At trial, the narrative turned out to be substantially different, Montin's lawyers say now. The residents came to the door with two shotguns, and Montin hid in a ditch overnight. Deputies said they may have heard a single shot.
 
2014-07-13 11:00:37 AM  

Degenz: He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?


Yes, because the cause of that insanity was already gone.  It was a drug reaction, not anything organic.

starsrift: More pertinently, I think it's far more worrying that the state of mental health care is so incompetent that a sane man can spend 20 years in a psychiatric hospital and not found to be sane.


I suspect what was going on is that they considered his denials evidence that he was still nuts.  They were looking for evidence of improvement, something that would never happen because he was actually sane at the time.

Abox: starsrift: Degenz: When Montin stopped taking the medication, which was long before he was committed to the regional center, the psychosis was gone. Doctors at the center simply didn't believe him - for 20 years - when he insisted he was not delusional.

He was found not guilty of serious crimes by reason of insanity. And now he's suing because they locked him up in the looney bin instead of state prison?

I read into that, that he was delusional at the time because of the medication. In the time between the crime and after the trial, he was no longer on the medication.

Hmm...guess there's a small window where neither a drug company nor the patient can be held responsible for crimes caused by the medication?  Thinking after this incident the company would have to include 'may cause criminal delusions' as a side effect to stay in the clear.


Drug companies are not responsible for known side effects.  There is no reason they should be, you knew the risks going in.  In practice the FDA won't allow a drug if the side effect risk isn't worth it for what the drug does.  This is a comparison, though, there's no cap on the tolerable risks.

Lokkii: This scenario is exactly why the streets in many cities are filled with homeless people. Most psychiatric hospitals were shut down after the invention of psychiatric medications made most crazy people into sane people .... As long as they took their medication regularly. With Nurses delivering their pills at 8, 11, and 3 - and making sure those pills got swallowed, the hospitals were soon filled with 'normal' people.

Thus came one of those glorious moments where the good intentions of the Left met up with the economic pragmatism of the Right.

The Left was all about "setting the people free" who were apparently locked away because they were 'different' (and only slightly so when they were medicated).

The Right was lured in by the cost savings. Pills are so much cheaper than hospitals -which seemed unnecessary anyhow. The medication was what helped people; the hospitals were only places to deliver pills.

Unfortunately, history has shown us that people who don't take their medication if no one makes them do it are just as nuts as ever.


Yup.  They didn't need psych hospitals, they needed a supervised facility.  The right happily gutted the hospitals, they didn't provide the needed replacements.
 
2014-07-13 11:19:21 AM  

willfullyobscure: But man, fark Ronald Reagan for shutting down all the mentals hospitals becuz he was teh EVIL DICTATOR REPUBLICAN OLIGARHY THAT HATED POORZ AND WIMMENZ, amirite?
There's no way the mental hospital system was all THAT bad!!!


No no no, this is Fark, you can have it both ways--shutting down the mental hospitals was the worst thing in the history of the country, causing much unneeded pain and homelessness, not to mention guns in the hands of crazy people. AND mental hospitals, and mental health professionals, are the worst people on earth. They know nothing and will drug up a perfectly sane person until they go on a killing spree, because that's all they know.

/Just started working the field again. I look forward to all the hilariously wrong posts here.
 
2014-07-13 11:19:47 AM  

gfid: More detailed article:

http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/man-sues-reg io nal-center-says-misdiagnosis-kept-him-locked-up/article_9b4857c6-fb5d- 5759-8625-9aed42023d43.html

Some highlights:

It started in 2012, when Lincoln attorney Jon Braaten persuaded Dr. Klaus Hartmann, a psychiatrist at the regional center, to read a 500-page transcript of Montin's 1993 trial in Hayes County.
....
But jurors found him not guilty of attempted murder and a second weapons charge, and prosecutors dropped 22 other charges originally filed against him.
....
Lawmen said Montin, who was on a trip from Florida, walked up to a rural home in southwestern Nebraska, saying it belonged to his ancestors and that he was taking it back. Law enforcement called it an 11-hour standoff that ended with a shootout, but no one was injured.

At trial, the narrative turned out to be substantially different, Montin's lawyers say now. The residents came to the door with two shotguns, and Montin hid in a ditch overnight. Deputies said they may have heard a single shot.


The problem here is that if he wins his lawsuit, is anything going to change?
Are any of the psychiatrists who misdiagnosed him over two decades going to suffer negative consequences? I can see holding an obviously psychotic individual who discharged a gun for a certain period to determine whether they are criminally insane. But not to just abandon him.
 
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