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(The New York Times)   "A vast majority of child migrants are fleeing not poverty, but violence. As a result, what the United States is seeing on its borders now is not an immigration crisis. It is a refugee crisis"   (nytimes.com) divider line 115
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2014-07-12 11:21:15 AM  
This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC
 
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2014-07-12 11:23:45 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC


It wouldn't matter.  It would be like making young-earth creationists look at fossils.
 
2014-07-12 11:28:02 AM  
The United States should immediately create emergency refugee centers inside our borders, tent cities - operated by the United Nations and other relief groups like the International Rescue Committee - where immigrant children could be held for 60 to 90 days instead of being released. The government would post immigration judges at these centers and adjudicate children's cases there.

Beside being a sound idea technically, it's also epic level trolling.

Can you imagine the explosion of derper rage when UN staffers set up tent cities in southern Texas?!  It'd be glorious!
 
2014-07-12 11:42:59 AM  
Oh wow, that was a tough read. Now I'm more angry at those STUPID protesters.
 
2014-07-12 11:53:36 AM  
These people are the losers in the war on drugs.  There are no winners.
 
2014-07-12 12:19:58 PM  
And, having given it some thought, I don't think they should be sent back. Keep them here. More humane.
 
2014-07-12 12:49:04 PM  
The worst of the violence is in the north. They're moving through that to get here. What the hell?
 
2014-07-12 01:06:18 PM  
Guess where the US ranks on the list of countries who take in refugees?
 
2014-07-12 01:15:57 PM  
I asked in a previous thread when these kids stop being illegal immigrants and start being refugees... Some dingleberry replied with;
"When they begin fleeing war, natural disasters or persecution. Fleeing a crime and poverty riddled country does not make you a refugee. "

As if anyone with a firm grasp on their sanity could look at what happens down there as simple crime... These aren't just drug dealers anymore(and haven't been for a while), they're farking warlords.
 
2014-07-12 01:53:12 PM  
Don't give me your tired, your poor,
Or your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost back to Mexico,
I really need to install a goddamn border fence.
 
2014-07-12 02:06:49 PM  
I didn't know people didn't know this. Why did they think all these people were coming? They aren't Mexican, it's a really long way to travel for no particular reason.
 
2014-07-12 02:12:40 PM  

DamnYankees: I didn't know people didn't know this. Why did they think all these people were coming? They aren't Mexican, it's a really long way to travel for no particular reason.


They think that Rick Perry is right, in that this is a wholly manufactured crisis designed by the WH to punish Texas and the larger GOP... With a long term goal of drumming up latino voters.

People actually believe this.
 
2014-07-12 02:36:55 PM  
Duh
 
2014-07-12 02:50:56 PM  
At least all the jingoists can finally leave the house and get some fresh air, while they try to pretend that True Americans are as selfish and despicable as they are.
 
2014-07-12 02:52:39 PM  

DamnYankees: I didn't know people didn't know this. Why did they think all these people were coming? They aren't Mexican, it's a really long way to travel for no particular reason.


You didn't know stupid ignorant bigots are stupid and ignorant? Did you think they were JUST bigots?
 
2014-07-12 02:52:40 PM  
"So violence is not the reason," Ligorria said. "It's essentially a matter of lack of opportunities, of trying to reach the American dream, but also to achieve family reunification. Many of the parents of these children are in the United States, and the children go to find them."

http://cis.org/kammer/guatemalan-ambassador-violence-not-cause-child re ns-exodus
 
2014-07-12 02:52:41 PM  

DamnYankees: I didn't know people didn't know this. Why did they think all these people were coming? They aren't Mexican, it's a really long way to travel for no particular reason.


Seriously?  Because Republicans are bigots.  They don't care why they're coming.  If the GOP could get some rope and do mass lynchings of these kids while setting fire to them with burning crosses, they'd come up with the $3.7 billion.  Because that's what Republican Jesus wants.  Dead non-white children.
 
2014-07-12 02:53:46 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC


Because dying from violence is so much worse than dying from poverty.
 
2014-07-12 02:56:06 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC


Shouldn't we be taking care of our first? What is different in that article that what has happened in Detroit? What about all the murders in Chicago? If we want t use the label "refugees" from "violence" then it follows that we can talk about internal refugees. And in that case American has a big and very much unacknowledged internal refugee problem. We should start there and we can take in the external refugees once we have fixed the internal problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person
 
2014-07-12 02:56:28 PM  
The should all be taught how to say "I am from Cuba and I escaped via Mexico, can you help me" and see what happens then.
 
2014-07-12 02:56:46 PM  
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2014-07-12 03:00:12 PM  

RobertBruce: The worst of the violence is in the north. They're moving through that to get here. What the hell?


The socio-political philosopher Paul Pena once wrote, "You know you got to go through hell, before you get to heaven."
 
2014-07-12 03:00:32 PM  
Consider what the Veterans Administration for the War on Drugs may look like. Lots more kids than ever expected.
 
2014-07-12 03:01:24 PM  
 
2014-07-12 03:01:42 PM  
Now remember it's not a crisis. Use situation instead.

And don't say poverty use lack of resources.

Also it's not Violence it's undeclared wars.

See now it sounds all better. But remember again. No photos and no talking to the children.
 
2014-07-12 03:06:16 PM  
Won't someone think of the children?
 
2014-07-12 03:07:05 PM  
The US, where we tell children to fark off and die.
 
2014-07-12 03:07:12 PM  

worlddan: Grand_Moff_Joseph: This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC

Shouldn't we be taking care of our first? What is different in that article that what has happened in Detroit? What about all the murders in Chicago? If we want t use the label "refugees" from "violence" then it follows that we can talk about internal refugees. And in that case American has a big and very much unacknowledged internal refugee problem. We should start there and we can take in the external refugees once we have fixed the internal problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person


Or we could address the problem we created in the first place.
 
m00
2014-07-12 03:07:38 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC


Well, you know. Many of the enlightened European countries accept refugees, mostly from Africa. However there is a process and the number each country wants to accept is capped. So there's actually a bit of a controversy right now where refugees enter one of the more porous border or immigration-lax Schengen countries and then ride the rail to somewhere with a gold-plated welfare/healthcare system.

But regardless, if we really want to "fix" the immigration problem in the US instead of investing in a military that can fight 7 wars at once, maybe we should invest in improving the living situation of people around the world so it's not a terrible human-rights crisis.
 
2014-07-12 03:09:24 PM  

chiett: Now remember it's not a crisis. Use situation instead.

And don't say poverty use lack of resources.

Also it's not Violence it's undeclared wars.

See now it sounds all better. But remember again. No photos and no talking to the children.


I read that in this voice.

  www.yes-minister.com
 
2014-07-12 03:14:52 PM  
(reads headline)  Those of us paying attention knew that already.
 
2014-07-12 03:16:32 PM  
From five years ago:

www.filmdetail.com

/great film
 
2014-07-12 03:17:04 PM  

badhatharry: "So violence is not the reason," Ligorria said. "It's essentially a matter of lack of opportunities, of trying to reach the American dream, but also to achieve family reunification. Many of the parents of these children are in the United States, and the children go to find them."

http://cis.org/kammer/guatemalan-ambassador-violence-not-cause-child re ns-exodus


You expected the ambassador to say "Yeah, we're corrupt and powerless. Folks are getting merced left and right and we don't do a damn thing about it"?
 
2014-07-12 03:17:15 PM  
Why can't the Mexicans take some refugees instead of funneling them to us, and moreover, why can't we do the same thing and funnel them to Canada - then they will be stuck as it will probably be hard to get them farther north.
 
2014-07-12 03:18:05 PM  
In March, his father was robbed and murdered by gangs while working as a security guard protecting a pastry truck. His mother used the life insurance payout to hire a smuggler to take her to Florida. She promised to send for him quickly, but she has not.

That's how you know they're desperate to get out.
 
2014-07-12 03:18:15 PM  
Just as the Netherlands bears ultimate responsibility for the political unrest which once wracked Indonesia, just as the British created the eventual nightmare in Iraq and Palestine, just as France and Belgium doomed generations of Africans to horrors we can't even imagine, the fingerprints of the United States and its economic actors (United Fruit, in particular) are all over the Central American crisis.
 
2014-07-12 03:18:20 PM  
That's a pretty shiatty story; the thing is, we can't take all of them. Maybe, we can work with the Guatemalans to improve the situation in their country. But, based on our past nation building efforts, we'll leave an even bigger mess.
 
2014-07-12 03:18:35 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: I read that in this voice.


I heard that voice and raise you a Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

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2014-07-12 03:19:26 PM  

worlddan: Grand_Moff_Joseph: This should be required, mandatory reading before any further threads or comments are allowed on the current border crisis.  and that goes 100x over for Washington DC

Shouldn't we be taking care of our first? What is different in that article that what has happened in Detroit? What about all the murders in Chicago? If we want t use the label "refugees" from "violence" then it follows that we can talk about internal refugees. And in that case American has a big and very much unacknowledged internal refugee problem. We should start there and we can take in the external refugees once we have fixed the internal problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person


Would be a nice argument if we were actually doing anything at all for any of these people but we are not so may as well do something for someone.
 
2014-07-12 03:19:51 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: chiett: Now remember it's not a crisis. Use situation instead.

And don't say poverty use lack of resources.

Also it's not Violence it's undeclared wars.

See now it sounds all better. But remember again. No photos and no talking to the children.

I read that in this voice.

  [www.yes-minister.com image 314x234]


Actually you should read it in this voice

www.truthrevolt.org
 
2014-07-12 03:21:09 PM  

syrynxx: Don't give me your tired, your poor,
Or your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost [tossed tos't tos'd] back to Mexico,
I really need to install a goddamn border fence.


We would have accepted any of those answers. Sorry you've failed the grammar test, but we'll have a judge adjucate your case in 60-90 days while you sit and do nothing. I hear there will be a shipment of old Vogue back   issues next week, if that's any consolation.

Next.
 
2014-07-12 03:21:54 PM  

SoupGuru: The US, where we tell children to fark off and die.


The GOP needs to stop saying "What kind of world are we leaving for our children?", because they aren't.
 
2014-07-12 03:22:15 PM  
News "sources" that have been using the term "illegal immigrants" instead of "refugees" have been pissing me off for several days. You can't reach the correct solution if you start off with incorrect information.
 
2014-07-12 03:22:54 PM  

haknudsen: Would be a nice argument if we were actually doing anything at all for any of these people but we are not so may as well do something for someone.


What we are doing is what the 2008 statute, signed by a Republican president after passing through Congress with broad Republican support, requires and allows. Would you have the president do otherwise?
 
2014-07-12 03:25:21 PM  

raerae1980: And, having given it some thought, I don't think they should be sent back. Keep them here. More humane.


I'd keep 10,000 of these kids for a single teabagger. The odds are that most of the kids would grow up loving America and be productive citizens, You can';t say that about teabaggers.
 
2014-07-12 03:26:13 PM  
Those countries are no more violent now than they have been for the last 50 years.

This "refugee" horseshiat is liberal spin to open the door to asylum claims that will keep them here forever.
 
2014-07-12 03:30:14 PM  
If returning the children to their home country would be like giving Jews to the Nazis why dont we just invade and kill the Nazi like people perpetrating violence against these children.
 
2014-07-12 03:31:27 PM  

iheartscotch: That's a pretty shiatty story; the thing is, we can't take all of them. Maybe, we can work with the Guatemalans to improve the situation in their country. But, based on our past nation building efforts, we'll leave an even bigger mess.


Really? Why not?
 
m00
2014-07-12 03:34:17 PM  

Giltric: If returning the children to their home country would be like giving Jews to the Nazis why dont we just invade and kill the Nazi like people perpetrating violence against these children.


We only go to war in countries where there is a strong corporate (we call it "free trade") reason to do so.
 
2014-07-12 03:34:41 PM  

badhatharry: "So violence is not the reason," Ligorria said. "It's essentially a matter of lack of opportunities, of trying to reach the American dream, but also to achieve family reunification. Many of the parents of these children are in the United States, and the children go to find them."

http://cis.org/kammer/guatemalan-ambassador-violence-not-cause-child re ns-exodus


You omitted a significant detail.

While gang violence may be a major push factor in the flight of children from El Salvador, Ligorria said, Guatemalan children are fleeing primarily from areas in the north of Guatemala, far away from the eastern part of the country where gang violence has been concentrated.

www.lolwut.com
 
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