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(Think Progress)   Canadian high school student files complaint over a sex education class that teaches only abstinence, saying it is a "slut shaming course" that comes from a foundation of religious ignorance and fear   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 98
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2014-07-12 11:21:48 AM

madmikesamerica.com
"It's a fair cop."

 
2014-07-12 11:51:33 AM
Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.
 
2014-07-12 12:25:21 PM
Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.
 
2014-07-12 12:34:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.


My buddy had to hide the fact he and his GF were living together because of the morality contract he had to sign to get hired with the Catholic school board. Bullsh*t, it's government endorsed discrimination. It's time to eliminate all public funded religious schools in Alberta, not just because they teach reprehensible thing, but also the cost of operating two separate school systems.
 
2014-07-12 12:34:45 PM
Alberta is the Texas of Canada, so the fact the public school system is subcontracting sex ed to an organisation with evangelical Christian roots doesn't surprise me in the slightest. If it was going to happen anywhere in the country this would be it. Having said that I'm glad to see there are at least a couple of people with enough sense to try and stop the right-wing anti-intellectual bullshiat before it corrupts an entire generation.
 
2014-07-12 12:37:16 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.

My buddy had to hide the fact he and his GF were living together because of the morality contract he had to sign to get hired with the Catholic school board. Bullsh*t, it's government endorsed discrimination. It's time to eliminate all public funded religious schools in Alberta, not just because they teach reprehensible thing, but also the cost of operating two separate school systems.


I agree wholeheartedly.  It has always amazed me that tax dollars go to support religious education.
 
2014-07-12 12:41:49 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: swaniefrmreddeer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.

My buddy had to hide the fact he and his GF were living together because of the morality contract he had to sign to get hired with the Catholic school board. Bullsh*t, it's government endorsed discrimination. It's time to eliminate all public funded religious schools in Alberta, not just because they teach reprehensible thing, but also the cost of operating two separate school systems.

I agree wholeheartedly.  It has always amazed me that tax dollars go to support religious education.


In Ontario too. It's farked up.
 
2014-07-12 12:44:21 PM
Canada is sounding more and more like the US every day.  Woe Canada!
 
2014-07-12 12:46:48 PM
Emily's mother, Kathy Dawson, tried to pull her out of the course so she wouldn't have to attend the second day. But school officials told her that attendance was mandatory in order for Emily to pass her Career and Life Management class.

Dawson, who identifies as an agnostic, signed a permission slip for her daughter to receive sex ed - but she had no idea that these groups were going to be providing it.

If it's mandatory, then why did she have to sign a permission slip.  And before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm saying the school is lying.  Crisis Pregnancy Centers and their supporters have less of a reputation for truthfulness than a mixture of James O'Keefes and Andrew Breitbart's feces.
 
2014-07-12 12:48:21 PM
And here I always thought sex education in Canada was "if he's willing to snowshoe across a ten-mile thick wall of ice, fending off bloodthirsty polar bears, carnivorous ice weasels and roaming Ogie Ogelthorpes then you at least have to let him get to the Blue Line." and "never turn your back on a man fresh out of the mountains in town to trade pelts."
 
2014-07-12 12:48:56 PM

SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.



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2014-07-12 12:49:32 PM

SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.


My guess is she nor the mom knew it would be a slut shaming course?

But you expect everyone to know the future in advance.
 
2014-07-12 12:52:01 PM
If any Canadian sluts want some non-abstinence sex education, they can come around my way
 
2014-07-12 12:53:46 PM
Why do people still engage Gaunto Noggino? You know he's only here to spread the bait.
 
2014-07-12 12:55:01 PM

UNC_Samurai: Why do people still engage Gaunto Noggino? You know he's only here to spread the bait.


It's part of the Fark experience. Sparring with idiots.
 
2014-07-12 12:55:41 PM
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2014-07-12 12:57:17 PM
There's also the fact that "Abstinence Only" sex-ed doesn't work.

/Fourth generation Catholic
//AO didn't work for my mother.
///Didn't work for her mother, either.
 
2014-07-12 12:57:55 PM

SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-12 12:58:21 PM
Maybe Canada can now experience one of the baby wonderful failures of basing practical health education in religious belief like the US
 
2014-07-12 12:59:03 PM
I trust sex advice from a person with bible in hand as much as I trust spiritual advice from a porn star.
 
2014-07-12 01:01:03 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I trust sex advice from a person with bible in hand as much as I trust spiritual advice from a porn star.


I'd put more trust in the porn star talking spirituality.
 
2014-07-12 01:06:50 PM
Isn't the term "slut-shaming" actually woman-shaming, in and of itself?
 
2014-07-12 01:07:16 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Benevolent Misanthrope: swaniefrmreddeer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.

My buddy had to hide the fact he and his GF were living together because of the morality contract he had to sign to get hired with the Catholic school board. Bullsh*t, it's government endorsed discrimination. It's time to eliminate all public funded religious schools in Alberta, not just because they teach reprehensible thing, but also the cost of operating two separate school systems.

I agree wholeheartedly.  It has always amazed me that tax dollars go to support religious education.

In Ontario too. It's farked up.


It's in the constitution (really).
 
2014-07-12 01:08:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: UNC_Samurai: Why do people still engage Gaunto Noggino? You know he's only here to spread the bait.

It's part of the Fark experience. Sparring with idiots.


Yeah, but his game is way off lately. His thoughts have become pretty consistently kiddie pool.
 
2014-07-12 01:10:13 PM
Abstinence-only is so effective that only 10 students in my class of 230 got pregnant before graduating high school.

Just imagine how high the number would've been if they taught us about condoms and birth control, it would easily be in the 100's.

Checkmate Libbos!!!
 
2014-07-12 01:16:18 PM

Karac: Emily's mother, Kathy Dawson, tried to pull her out of the course so she wouldn't have to attend the second day. But school officials told her that attendance was mandatory in order for Emily to pass her Career and Life Management class.

Dawson, who identifies as an agnostic, signed a permission slip for her daughter to receive sex ed - but she had no idea that these groups were going to be providing it.

If it's mandatory, then why did she have to sign a permission slip.  And before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm saying the school is lying.  Crisis Pregnancy Centers and their supporters have less of a reputation for truthfulness than a mixture of James O'Keefes and Andrew Breitbart's feces.


Pulling out doesn't really work either.
 
2014-07-12 01:16:23 PM

SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.


Maybe she doesn't want to opt out. Maybe she expected to be able to attend a comprehensive sex education class, the kind that has been proven time and time again to be the most effective, as opposed to some half-ass class that doesn't actually work.
 
2014-07-12 01:19:23 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.


It's not the only province.  Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario have similar separate constitutionally enshrined school systems.  In fact, the only jurisdictions in Canada that do not have or did not have public funding for religious education are BC, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI.  It's extremely common for public dollars to fund separate school systems.

I always make the point of identifying these as separate systems, and not necessarily religious ones.  My wife and her sisters are a product of the separate school system, and from what I've gleaned, there is (or was) generally very little religion baked into the curriculum.  I also know several non-catholics that attended separate school, because their parents thought that they'd be a better fit morality-wise with their hindi traditions.

But what happened to the girl was an evangelical sex ed course delivered in a public school.  While technically in Alberta that's a protestant school that could potentially teach that, In the real world that shouldn't happen.  I can't imagine that whomever thought that that was a good idea won't be getting both barrels.
 
2014-07-12 01:23:36 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.


Saskatchewan and the Territories also have some. Ontario has a much more extensive system of publicly funded Catholic schools (also a Protestant school). One big thing to remember from a historical perspective is that religion and language were closely linked in 19th century Canada, publicly funded Catholic schools was a huge issue in the early history of Manitoba and attempts to remove them was viewed as attacks against the French and Metis. It was a similar issue in Ontario where there are significant French Catholic minorities.

My experiences with Ontario Catholic schools (in rural areas) is that something like this would be a big surprise. The biggest difference between the public and Catholic schools were that you had to sit through a religion class in the Catholic school. In fact, extensive sexual education is part of the provincial curriculum and that must be followed to receive government funding.
 
2014-07-12 01:24:15 PM

ryant123: I agree wholeheartedly.  It has always amazed me that tax dollars go to support religious education.

In Ontario too. It's farked up.

It's in the constitution (really).


Technically, just about all schools in Canada are religious schools, since the primary system is meant to be controlled by the dominant Christian sects (usually protestant), and the separate system meant to be controlled by the minority christian sect (usually Catholic).  Save for 4 provinces, this is or has been the case since confederation.
 
2014-07-12 01:36:36 PM
Remember the recent Denver Post story about free birth control causing a 40% drop in Colorado teen pregnancy?

http://www.fark.com/comments/8327389/Colorado-has-been-providing-its -l ow-income-citizens-with-free-birth-control-pills-IUDs-since-2009-Now-t heyre-reporting-a-40-drop-in-teen-pregnancy-rate-in-5-years-Some-peopl e-have-a-problem-with-this#new

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26085784/colorado-teen-birth-rates -d rop-state-hands-out?ok

It included idiotic statements from Focus on the Family's Carrie Gordon Earll:
"What we have seen over many years is that access to contraception does not equal fewer unintended pregnancies and fewer abortions," Earll said. "Availability of contraception leads to increased sexual activity, which leads to unintended pregnancies and abortions."

Abstinence only advocates live in an epistemic bubble. The conservative Colorado Springs Gazette usually slavishly covers any statement by Focus on the Family as a revered home-town institution. But in this case, they somewhat covered the teen pregnancy drop but failed to mention FoF's position or comments because that might make FoF look stupid.

http://gazette.com/colorado-springs-teen-birth-rate-drops-37-percent /a rticle/1522434
 
2014-07-12 01:39:50 PM

SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.


Remember once you say "yes" once, permission can NEVER be recended.
 
2014-07-12 01:44:54 PM
Sluts should be ashamed of their behavior.

Now excuse me while I go watch Red Tube for "research"
 
2014-07-12 01:45:25 PM

NYCNative: SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.

Maybe she doesn't want to opt out. Maybe she expected to be able to attend a comprehensive sex education class, the kind that has been proven time and time again to be the most effective, as opposed to some half-ass class that doesn't actually work.


The article says that she's bringing her complaint under an act that gives parents the right to exempt their children from classes dealing with certain topics.  Mom had that opportunity and she signed a permission slip.  Maybe mom assumed that the class would be taught a different way, but her faulty assumption does not mean that her rights were violated.  Did she ask about the class before she gave permission?  The act only gives her the right to opt out, not to dictate how the class is taught or to insist that it be taught in the most effective manner.
 
2014-07-12 01:54:45 PM
It's sh*t like this, Alberta.


This province needs a political enema like no other.
 
2014-07-12 01:58:47 PM

SkinnyHead: NYCNative: SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.

Maybe she doesn't want to opt out. Maybe she expected to be able to attend a comprehensive sex education class, the kind that has been proven time and time again to be the most effective, as opposed to some half-ass class that doesn't actually work.

The article says that she's bringing her complaint under an act that gives parents the right to exempt their children from classes dealing with certain topics.  Mom had that opportunity and she signed a permission slip.  Maybe mom assumed that the class would be taught a different way, but her faulty assumption does not mean that her rights were violated.  Did she ask about the class before she gave permission?  The act only gives her the right to opt out, not to dictate how the class is taught or to insist that it be taught in the most effective manner.


Shut you libro-treasonous mouth.  The mother has no right to ask about the content of the class.  To imply women are citizens - or that they have rights - defies God's Holy Word, and impinges upon the religious liberty of Christians.  She no more had the right to inquire into the content of the class than a dog has in inquiring into the contents of a rabies injection.  Do not spread your anti-Harper, femi-nazi lies here anymore.
 
2014-07-12 02:05:06 PM
The school has also hired Ann Coulter as their soccer coach.
 
2014-07-12 02:16:39 PM

SkinnyHead: NYCNative: SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.

Maybe she doesn't want to opt out. Maybe she expected to be able to attend a comprehensive sex education class, the kind that has been proven time and time again to be the most effective, as opposed to some half-ass class that doesn't actually work.

The article says that she's bringing her complaint under an act that gives parents the right to exempt their children from classes dealing with certain topics.  Mom had that opportunity and she signed a permission slip.  Maybe mom assumed that the class would be taught a different way, but her faulty assumption does not mean that her rights were violated.  Did she ask about the class before she gave permission?  The act only gives her the right to opt out, not to dictate how the class is taught or to insist that it be taught in the most effective manner.


She gave permission for her daughter to be taught sex ed. What was taught in the class was not sex ed. Many of the things taught were pure made up BS. She did not give permission for her daughter to be taught religious lies. If you sign a permission slip for your kid to go on a field trip to the zoo, would you be upset if they went to the penitentiary instead?
 
2014-07-12 02:16:55 PM
Advocate anal and BJs only ?
 
2014-07-12 02:32:23 PM
The school board backed down yesterday: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-school-board-drops-ab s tinence-based-sex-ed-after-complaint-1.2704291

The complaint is still going ahead though in order to draw attention to whether the same thing is happening in other jurisdictions across the province.
 
2014-07-12 02:35:36 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. If you don't have sex, you don't get babies and/or VDs. It's common sense.

Oh wait, you mean to say there are some people out there who still want to have sex because popular media says it's fun? Let's launch into a 100-page dissertation on condoms and pills and we won't be responsible on the off chance they don't work, kos we still told you they had a bit of a failure rate, and if your God has a problem with wild and crazy teen-on-teen sex, we'll just let you go on the corner and gnaw on something, okay? Teach the controversy and all that, and never mind that this smells like a corporate plot to push brand name contraceptives the same way credit card companies give broke college freshmen credit cards.
 
2014-07-12 02:36:09 PM

DrBenway: cameroncrazy1984: UNC_Samurai: Why do people still engage Gaunto Noggino? You know he's only here to spread the bait.

It's part of the Fark experience. Sparring with idiots.

Yeah, but his game is way off lately. His thoughts have become pretty consistently kiddie pool.


He did used to be able to parry a lot easier.
 
2014-07-12 02:36:10 PM
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Now that that's out of the way, please proceed.
 
2014-07-12 02:36:29 PM

NotARocketScientist: SkinnyHead: NYCNative: SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.

Maybe she doesn't want to opt out. Maybe she expected to be able to attend a comprehensive sex education class, the kind that has been proven time and time again to be the most effective, as opposed to some half-ass class that doesn't actually work.

The article says that she's bringing her complaint under an act that gives parents the right to exempt their children from classes dealing with certain topics.  Mom had that opportunity and she signed a permission slip.  Maybe mom assumed that the class would be taught a different way, but her faulty assumption does not mean that her rights were violated.  Did she ask about the class before she gave permission?  The act only gives her the right to opt out, not to dictate how the class is taught or to insist that it be taught in the most effective manner.

She gave permission for her daughter to be taught sex ed. What was taught in the class was not sex ed. Many of the things taught were pure made up BS. She did not give permission for her daughter to be taught religious lies. If you sign a permission slip for your kid to go on a field trip to the zoo, would you be upset if they went to the penitentiary instead?


Well, that pretty much destroys any semblence of an argument that slender noggin was able to come up with.

+1 AAA would read again.
 
2014-07-12 02:37:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: Abstinence-only is so effective that only 10 students in my class of 230 got pregnant before graduating high school.

Just imagine how high the number would've been if they taught us about condoms and birth control, it would easily be in the 100's.

Checkmate Libbos!!!


What percentage of the class were male?
 
2014-07-12 02:37:32 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Benevolent Misanthrope: swaniefrmreddeer: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, this is farked up and would probably not happen in most places in the States - but Canada doesn't have the same kind of separation of church and state as the States.  On top of that, Alberta is weird.  AFAIK, it's the only province where the Catholic Schools are funded by the Province.

The girl will win, though.  The Public Schools should never have pulled in a church group to do sex ed - that's just dumb, and Alberta also has the habit of being very common-sense.  The Judge will rule in her favour.  That said, nothing will happen to the school, really.

My buddy had to hide the fact he and his GF were living together because of the morality contract he had to sign to get hired with the Catholic school board. Bullsh*t, it's government endorsed discrimination. It's time to eliminate all public funded religious schools in Alberta, not just because they teach reprehensible thing, but also the cost of operating two separate school systems.

I agree wholeheartedly.  It has always amazed me that tax dollars go to support religious education.

In Ontario too. It's farked up.


I know. I grew up in the Catholic school system - the irony of using public funds to selectively fund a public and Catholic system is abhorrent, for several reasons. One, it means that government is subsidizing one religion over all others. Two, while many of the values of the Catholic church are compatible with Canadian society at large, a lot of significant ones are not - tax dollars are being spent teaching the exact opposite of what is enshrined in Canadian law. Three, the Catholic school board reserves the right to allow only Catholic teachers into its ranks, while the Public system let's everyone in as teachers, regardless of faith - this creates a governement created preferential market bias toward Catholic teachers, in an already saturated public institution. Finally, the 'right' to a publically funded Catholic system enshrined in both the Ontario Education Act AND the Ontario Constitution.

The system as it is is abhorrent, but there will never be political will to change it.
 
2014-07-12 02:41:55 PM

thamike: Isn't the term "slut-shaming" actually woman-shaming, in and of itself?


Who says only women can be sluts?
 
2014-07-12 02:43:00 PM

Kimyo: SkinnyHead: Sluts should be able to opt out of the sex ed class.  But the article says that this girl's mom signed a permission slip, so she had her chance.

Remember once you say "yes" once, permission can NEVER be recended.


Like sex!
 
2014-07-12 02:44:17 PM

rjakobi: I don't see what the big deal is. If you don't have sex, you don't get babies and/or VDs. It's common sense.

Oh wait, you mean to say there are some people out there who still want to have sex because popular media says it's fun? Let's launch into a 100-page dissertation on condoms and pills and we won't be responsible on the off chance they don't work, kos we still told you they had a bit of a failure rate, and if your God has a problem with wild and crazy teen-on-teen sex, we'll just let you go on the corner and gnaw on something, okay? Teach the controversy and all that, and never mind that this smells like a corporate plot to push brand name contraceptives the same way credit card companies give broke college freshmen credit cards.


Nice one.
 
2014-07-12 02:46:34 PM

cig-mkr: Advocate anal and BJs only ?


http://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY (probably NSWF and sound)
 
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