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(ScreenCrush)   The one topic that none of the cast and crew of Seinfeld dared to tackle? Elaine buying a gun so she could feel "safe"   (screencrush.com) divider line 89
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2014-07-12 10:46:27 AM
They also turned down the episode where they all bought a cell phones because it would have nixed the plots of most of the shows, amirite?

Anyway, didn't Susan's father buy a gun in the last episode in order to kill George? That and Crazy Joe Divola murdering Jerry would have made it a great finale.
 
2014-07-12 11:01:33 AM
Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.
 
2014-07-12 11:36:19 AM
"We didn't have the gun violence then that we do now. Now, nobody would do it, I predict."

Bullshiat.

Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s
 
2014-07-12 11:38:25 AM
Did they ever tackle Kramer's mental health and what it'd be like if he were on anti-psychotics?
 
2014-07-12 11:38:28 AM

Giltric: Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s


Subjective. Depends on the metric.
 
2014-07-12 11:40:03 AM

The Bestest: Giltric: Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

Subjective. Depends on the metric.


What metrics show it to be higher now than in the 90s?
 
2014-07-12 11:40:48 AM
Guns can be funny...

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/Intervention! Intervention!
 
2014-07-12 11:40:49 AM
What's the deal with guns?
 
2014-07-12 11:46:23 AM

Giltric: The Bestest: Giltric: Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

Subjective. Depends on the metric.

What metrics show it to be higher now than in the 90s?


The one he is hallucinating.
 
2014-07-12 11:48:42 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.


Clearly they knew nothing about humor, which explains why the show was such a colossal failure.
 
2014-07-12 11:52:32 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.

Clearly they knew nothing about humor, which explains why the show was such a colossal failure.


Sure they know humour.  They just don't know shiat about guns, other than GUN BAD.  Being willing to explore other controversial topics but not guns is just silly.
 
2014-07-12 11:53:02 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.

Clearly they knew nothing about humor, which explains why the show was such a colossal failure.


The show was like the 2006 Cardinals in the World Series , not that the Cardinals were that good, its just that everyone else was so awful.
 
2014-07-12 11:54:44 AM
Actually, the show was as funny as cancer in retrospect.
 
2014-07-12 11:55:13 AM

AngryDragon: Giltric: The Bestest: Giltric: Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

Subjective. Depends on the metric.

What metrics show it to be higher now than in the 90s?

The one he is hallucinating.


Looking at a ton of graphs right now and trying my best not to cherrypick.. which.. kinda exactly proves my point.

There are different categories of "gun violence" (single incidents, crimes that aren't necessarily gun-centric but a gun was involved, mass shootings in one location, multiple shootings at multiple locations by a single actor, etc), then so many graphs have other conditions on them (per capita, thresholding the number of victims, etc) and in most of them the data is so spiky, depending on the timeframe you can make it say whatever you want (in regards to increase/decrease).

Really wasn't trying to start a debate here and wasn't saying you were wrong.. just that your statement is kinda blanket and subjective.
 
2014-07-12 11:55:27 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.

Clearly they knew nothing about humor, which explains why the show was such a colossal failure.

Sure they know humour.  They just don't know shiat about guns, other than GUN BAD.  Being willing to explore other controversial topics but not guns is just silly.


Yeah, I know. When they didn't do a show about how underfunded the US space program is compared to our military budget, I had to weep a little for our nation. Why does Seinfeld hate America?

/Also why no show about Trekkie vs Trekker?
 
2014-07-12 11:56:45 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.


Well, the only guy who really made it a major point was the guy who was a gunnery sergeant in the military. Perhaps he has some experience with guns that makes him take the subject more seriously than others.

The actors were more concerned with their 9th episode being a little too much for an early audience that hadn't quite gotten to love them yet.
 
2014-07-12 12:07:17 PM
She took [huh huh] IT out.
 
2014-07-12 12:15:28 PM
Are the guns okay? Did any guns or the delicate feelings of any of their supporters get hurt? That's what really matters here.
 
2014-07-12 12:15:44 PM
There's nothing that can't be funny.  Just average (or worse) writers who can't find the humor.

Seinfeld is the best sitcom in TV history.  I bet they could've made it work.
 
2014-07-12 12:17:42 PM
They should have done it, because they did worse.  Remember when Kramer is mistaken for a murderer out in LA, and when they catch the guy Jerry, George, and Kramer start celebrating until the grieving loved ones walk by in tears?  I'm thinking something wasn't working with the script and that's why it got dropped.

Comedy is fragile.
 
2014-07-12 12:21:52 PM

Giltric: The Bestest: Giltric: Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

Subjective. Depends on the metric.

What metrics show it to be higher now than in the 90s?


I think there were fewer gun murders from November 16-18, 1993 than there were from July 3-5, 2014, therefore you lose and need to turn in your guns.
 
2014-07-12 12:24:45 PM
Weird, Elaine didn't strike me as the type to be afraid of her own shadow.
 
2014-07-12 12:26:29 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Are the guns okay? Did any guns or the delicate feelings of any of their supporters get hurt? That's what really matters here.


Reading over the first part of this thread, the fee-fees of the gun owners have certainly been trampled upon.

/oh dear
 
2014-07-12 12:26:31 PM

Giltric: "We didn't have the gun violence then that we do now. Now, nobody would do it, I predict."

Bullshiat.

Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s


I feel like you could argue that it's a little scarier now. I could be wrong, but I do believe the "crazy people shooting random people in traditionally safe areas" rate might be up.
 
2014-07-12 12:32:07 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: I'm thinking something wasn't working with the script and that's why it got dropped.


The whole point of the show was that terrible things happen to people other than the main characters. That was sort of the point of the finale, where they were all put on trial. Except it wasn't executed very well, mostly because the main character's lives sucked as well.

Seinfeld is still the only sitcom I can watch if I come across it and the only sitcom I'm not embarrassed of ever watching it.
 
2014-07-12 12:32:21 PM

paulseta: Actually, the show was as funny as cancer in retrospect.


I bought him a toupee!
 
2014-07-12 12:33:29 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Weird, Elaine didn't strike me as the type to be afraid of her own shadow.


Yeah, this was only the ninth episode. The characters were still finding their niche.
 
2014-07-12 12:36:35 PM

Vantango84: I feel like you could argue that it's a little scarier now. I could be wrong, but I do believe the "crazy people shooting random people in traditionally safe areas" rate might be up.


Are you really scared of gun violence? Every time there's a shooting it makes headline news and it's like 4 times a year.  Are you really scared of that happening to you? There are so few post office shootings now that the word "Postal" has lost all meaning. You're not going to get shot, get over yourself.
 
2014-07-12 12:42:13 PM

Mugato: Seinfeld is still the only sitcom I can watch if I come across it and the only sitcom I'm not embarrassed of ever watching it.


I'm going through a full rewatch again, which I do every few years.  I'm always amazed at both the amount of serialization that was present when you're not watching it in syndication and also how strong of a show it was right out of the gate.  It's impressive how many "classic" episodes and moments occurred in the first few seasons.  Other than the pilot, the show didn't really take any time to find its groove.
 
2014-07-12 12:46:50 PM

Giltric: The Bestest: Giltric: Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

Subjective. Depends on the metric.

What metrics show it to be higher now than in the 90s?


Well it feels higher now because of the greater access to instantaneous news media and as long as something feels correct, it can be stated as fact.
 
2014-07-12 12:51:15 PM

Giltric: "We didn't have the gun violence then that we do now. Now, nobody would do it, I predict."

Bullshiat.

Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s


Yeah, really. That's such a bizarre statement.
 
2014-07-12 12:54:03 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: Seinfeld is still the only sitcom I can watch if I come across it and the only sitcom I'm not embarrassed of ever watching it.

I'm going through a full rewatch again, which I do every few years.  I'm always amazed at both the amount of serialization that was present when you're not watching it in syndication and also how strong of a show it was right out of the gate.  It's impressive how many "classic" episodes and moments occurred in the first few seasons.  Other than the pilot, the show didn't really take any time to find its groove.


Yeah, in the first few episodes they all cared about things, then they didn't. Maybe it's the nihilism that's appealing. No one hugged, no one learned anything. When I think about the sitcoms I watched as a kid I think "who cares about this family or these douchebags whining in a Starbucks?".
 
2014-07-12 01:05:08 PM

Vantango84: Giltric: "We didn't have the gun violence then that we do now. Now, nobody would do it, I predict."

Bullshiat.

Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

I feel like you could argue that it's a little scarier now. I could be wrong, but I do believe the "crazy people shooting random people in traditionally safe areas" rate might be up.


No that metric holds steady through the years.

You just hear about it more and it gives the perception that it is on the rise, which is why they report it more often.
 
2014-07-12 01:07:52 PM

Mugato: Vantango84: I feel like you could argue that it's a little scarier now. I could be wrong, but I do believe the "crazy people shooting random people in traditionally safe areas" rate might be up.

Are you really scared of gun violence? Every time there's a shooting it makes headline news and it's like 4 times a year.  Are you really scared of that happening to you? There are so few post office shootings now that the word "Postal" has lost all meaning. You're not going to get shot, get over yourself.


You're joking saying only 4 times a year for shootings making headlines, right?

I think there's also more empathy and societal concern than actual fear, and that's not a bad thing.
 
2014-07-12 01:11:39 PM

Vantango84: Giltric: "We didn't have the gun violence then that we do now. Now, nobody would do it, I predict."

Bullshiat.

Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

I feel like you could argue that it's a little scarier now. I could be wrong, but I do believe the "crazy people shooting random people in traditionally safe areas" rate might be up.


You are definitely wrong. The only thing that has changed is media hype.
 
KIA
2014-07-12 01:14:29 PM
According to the Fark Elite, guns are purely phallic substitutes so Elaine would have had no reason to seek one out.

Would that have been funny anyway? Maybe. If they can make Susan's death from cheap wedding envelope glue funny, then anything is possible.
 
2014-07-12 01:18:10 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh for Fark's sake.  Ooooooo - guns are SCARY!  How dare we mention GUNS!!!  Jesus - if you don't like the line about Kennedy, change the line  But that morphing into "Guns aren't funny, we won't discuss guns..." that's a whole new level of gun fear.

Kreist.


THE DINGO ATE YOUR GUNS.
 
2014-07-12 01:18:14 PM
The episode, considering they dropped the "B" story line as well, just wasn't well written. When you have an over-the-top joke, that's usually a sign that you are desperate for a laugh.

In addition, one of the early Seinfeld writers stated you'll never see "a very special episode of Seinfeld." And a gun focused episode would slip into some preachy territory (either pro or anti).
 
2014-07-12 01:18:51 PM

KIA: Fark Elite


*cough*
 
2014-07-12 01:19:14 PM

Vantango84: Giltric: "We didn't have the gun violence then that we do now. Now, nobody would do it, I predict."

Bullshiat.

Gun violence is lower now than in the 90s

I feel like you could argue that it's a little scarier now. I could be wrong, but I do believe the "crazy people shooting random people in traditionally safe areas" rate might be up.


Sure, you believe that, even though it isn't true, because it is more profitable for the media to have you believe that. If you think you are likely to be killed by a serial killer, or whatever, you keep watching/reading the news in numbers. If you accept reality, that you are almost certain to die of something like cancer, heart attack, a stroke, slipping down stairs, slipping in the shower, not paying attention when driving, or some other mundane thing (which are all many times more likely), you wouldn't tune in anywhere near as often. They are selling you fear, and you are lapping it up.
 
2014-07-12 01:23:12 PM

Komplex: The episode, considering they dropped the "B" story line as well, just wasn't well written. When you have an over-the-top joke, that's usually a sign that you are desperate for a laugh.

In addition, one of the early Seinfeld writers stated you'll never see "a very special episode of Seinfeld." And a gun focused episode would slip into some preachy territory (either pro or anti).


The Simpsons tried to make it work by giving each side thoughtful arguments. Their message overall was that reckless morons like Homer should be forbidden from owning guns.
 
2014-07-12 01:31:59 PM

xria: Sure, you believe that, even though it isn't true, because it is more profitable for the media to have you believe that. If you think you are likely to be killed by a serial killer, or whatever, you keep watching/reading the news in numbers. If you accept reality, that you are almost certain to die of something like cancer, heart attack, a stroke, slipping down stairs, slipping in the shower, not paying attention when driving, or some other mundane thing (which are all many times more likely), you wouldn't tune in anywhere near as often. They are selling you fear, and you are lapping it up.


The "more likely to die of" thing has jack sh*t to do with the "why is this happening more often" part of the conversation.  Mass shootings in the oddest of places is definitely up sharply.

I mean, think about it:  what does the mortality rate of cancer have to do with the sudden uptick of mass shootings?  How is that even a rhetorical tool for anybody of sound mind?
 
2014-07-12 01:36:55 PM

thamike: xria: Sure, you believe that, even though it isn't true, because it is more profitable for the media to have you believe that. If you think you are likely to be killed by a serial killer, or whatever, you keep watching/reading the news in numbers. If you accept reality, that you are almost certain to die of something like cancer, heart attack, a stroke, slipping down stairs, slipping in the shower, not paying attention when driving, or some other mundane thing (which are all many times more likely), you wouldn't tune in anywhere near as often. They are selling you fear, and you are lapping it up.

The "more likely to die of" thing has jack sh*t to do with the "why is this happening more often" part of the conversation.  Mass shootings in the oddest of places is definitely up sharply.

I mean, think about it:  what does the mortality rate of cancer have to do with the sudden uptick of mass shootings?  How is that even a rhetorical tool for anybody of sound mind?


There isn't a sudden uptick of mass shootings. There's only a sudden uptick of media hysteria about mad shootings. Guess which one you're basing your emotions on?
 
2014-07-12 01:46:57 PM

Summoner101: Did they ever tackle Kramer's mental health and what it'd be like if he were on anti-psychotics?


They sort of did. The Bizarro friends episode with... Feldmann?
 
2014-07-12 01:47:56 PM
Clearly they need to be dealt with in a 2nd amendment fashion.
 
2014-07-12 01:51:03 PM
It's not that guns can't be funny. The problem is that  this script/episode was not funny.

Seinfeld tackled many things...so what if they didn't tackle everything.
 
2014-07-12 02:01:25 PM
I could see it working if they approached it in a light-hearted way like the episode about the neo-nazis and the JFK assassination parody. I don't think you can dress up buying a gun and it all just hit too close to home.
 
2014-07-12 02:03:53 PM

Vermithrax Perjorative: It's not that guns can't be funny. The problem is that  this script/episode was not funny.


Making the script perfect for Seinfeld.
 
2014-07-12 02:04:52 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There isn't a sudden uptick of mass shootings. There's only a sudden uptick of media hysteria about mad shootings. Guess which one you're basing your emotions on?


I'm not basing my emotions on anything, you're just unaware of the facts.


Here, I'll just start with school shootings.

From 1990 to 2000 there were 36.

From 2000 to 2010 there were 48.

From 2010 to now there have been 94.

I'd call that an uptick.
 
2014-07-12 02:10:07 PM
Here's a list of actual massacres at schools in the US:

1979 to 2000:  17

2000 to 2014: 12
 
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