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2014-07-12 07:51:42 AM  
I can't believe someone got paid to run random searches on Google and Bing and write about it.

/Nobody is going to change their habits for movie times.
 
2014-07-12 08:02:42 AM  
I watch movies at home.
 
2014-07-12 08:55:10 AM  

RexTalionis: /Nobody is going to change their habits for movie times.


When something becomes the operative word for something... such as "Well, just Google it" - it will be really hard to ever beat that.  Even if a lot of us are sick of things like the how YouTube us tied to Gmail and such, but it has never occurred to me to actually type in Bing.com.

Also, don't people just go to Fandango or Moviefone if they want movie times?
 
2014-07-12 09:26:02 AM  
I have 6 theaters in my area but only go to one of them so I just use their website. The only time I ever use Google for movies is when I am on vacation.
 
2014-07-12 09:41:22 AM  

serpent_sky: Also, don't people just go to Fandango or Moviefone if they want movie times?


"Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you selected?"
 
2014-07-12 09:56:46 AM  

jaylectricity: "Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you selected?"


*cries* I have a really high voice and all voice recognition prompts cannot understand a word I say.
"X-Men."
"Did you mean "Tyler Perry's Latest Stupid Movie?"
"NO. X-MEN."
"Did you mean "Horrific Romantic Comedy?"
(screw it, I'll watch re-runs of "The Big Bang Theory.")
 
2014-07-12 10:04:18 AM  
The only thing I use bing for is the birds eye maps.  Those are really cool!
 
2014-07-12 10:12:15 AM  
I was going to say whoever wrote this "article" should feel bad about himself for being such a tool but he probably already is.

core3.staticworld.net
 
2014-07-12 11:20:26 AM  
Google Now works fine for me.  "OK Google, when is <movie> playing?"  and it gives results for the theater we always go to.
 
2014-07-12 11:21:43 AM  

jaylectricity: serpent_sky: Also, don't people just go to Fandango or Moviefone if they want movie times?

"Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you selected?"


Chunnel
 
2014-07-12 11:22:41 AM  
 
2014-07-12 11:31:58 AM  
I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"
 
2014-07-12 11:34:13 AM  
I was expecting something about the Andrews Sisters....
 
2014-07-12 11:34:38 AM  

serpent_sky: When something becomes the operative word for something... such as "Well, just Google it" ...


They're fairly close.  Whenever I come out of the bathroom from my morning constitutional, I always say "Well I BingedTM one out."
 
2014-07-12 11:36:50 AM  

Odoriferous Queef: Bing? Bing Bell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0UtTxagCrI


Oblig
 
2014-07-12 11:44:12 AM  
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I've never gotten into the habit of trying to use search engines to answer arbitrary questions, as opposed to just using them for, you know, searching.  I generally use movies.yahoo.com for movie times.

As for Bing, it's never worked as well as Google for me.  What I find most ironic is that Google is so much better at searching MSDN than Bing.  The MSDN site's built-in search sucks hard because it's obviously backed by Bing.  Google with "site:msdn.microsoft.com" is so much better.
 
2014-07-12 11:44:21 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"


I've been running into this lately, too. Google seems to be trying to interpret what I typed a little too hard.
 
2014-07-12 11:44:32 AM  

nekom: The only thing I use bing for is the birds eye maps.  Those are really cool!


Porn.  That's it.
 
2014-07-12 11:48:18 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them.



Don't know if you heard, but the fat, bald, sweaty lunatic is gone.  They are showing signs of not blowing every marketing move and farking over early adopters of every product they make.

Also, you should know, that bacon you stole was TVP.
 
2014-07-12 11:49:46 AM  

Tobin_Lam: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"

I've been running into this lately, too. Google seems to be trying to interpret what I typed a little too hard.


I've been seeing this as well, my theory is many sites are now "Optimizing for Google" and skewing the results, if Bing! gains more users it will get worse just like Google.
 
2014-07-12 11:52:24 AM  
Why would I use Bing, when I try it I wind up going back to Google because it actually returns the results I need
 
2014-07-12 11:52:46 AM  

Tom_Slick: Tobin_Lam: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"

I've been running into this lately, too. Google seems to be trying to interpret what I typed a little too hard.

I've been seeing this as well, my theory is many sites are now "Optimizing for Google" and skewing the results, if Bing! gains more users it will get worse just like Google.


Sites have been "optimizing for Google" for a long time. Search-engine optimization is a large business.
 
2014-07-12 11:54:27 AM  
I've had some recent, first-hand experience with Bing search results. I was doing a project where I had to search for bands on MySpace (don't ask). MySpace search was useless, so I was using a search engine. Since Microsoft still has to pay people to use Bing and I had a lot of searches to do, I figured I'd rack up some rewards points while working on the project.

It turned out that Bing missed the results of "Band Name site:myspace.com" searches often enough that I had to switch back to Google. I was actually surprised at how unreliable the results were. Admittedly, that's a pretty specific case, but I wouldn't trust Bing with that kind of work again.
 
2014-07-12 11:54:29 AM  
Not only did Google fail to find showtimes for the film "America," but it also missed the boat on "Jersey Boys" and "Deliver Us From Evil." Also, to find showtimes on Google for the latest Transformers movie, the movie's full title - "Transformers: Age of Extinction" - was required.

It seems Google is doing the public a huge favor here.
 
2014-07-12 11:56:11 AM  
People still go out to watch over paid movies? They deserve bing then
 
2014-07-12 11:56:43 AM  
It's also better for looking for pr0n. Google feels like it's judging you and only begrudgingly giving you some token smut shuffled in with all the damn YouTube links. Bing is all like "Wow, you have some farked up proclivities, but who am I to judge? Here you go. Oh, and here are some even more farked up search suggestions up top. Enjoy!"

...erm...or so I've been told.

.........by my pervy friends.
 
2014-07-12 11:57:25 AM  
Years back, someone put together a handy little site that would pull results from Google, Microsoft (this was before it was Bing - so Live Search, I think?), and Yahoo.  But it formatted the results identically.  You'd click whichever one you liked, and it would tell you which site it was from.

Years back, when Google was the 'do no evil' company everyone loved - the search results were indistinguishable.  99% of the time, I don't look past the 3rd result, and it doesn't matter which site I use, I get the same results.
 
2014-07-12 11:58:04 AM  

qorkfiend: Tom_Slick: Tobin_Lam: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"

I've been running into this lately, too. Google seems to be trying to interpret what I typed a little too hard.

I've been seeing this as well, my theory is many sites are now "Optimizing for Google" and skewing the results, if Bing! gains more users it will get worse just like Google.

Sites have been "optimizing for Google" for a long time. Search-engine optimization is a large business.


I know but it seems Google has not been changing their algorithms as often as they used to so the optimization works.
 
2014-07-12 12:00:38 PM  

xalres: It's also better for looking for pr0n. Google feels like it's judging you and only begrudgingly giving you some token smut shuffled in with all the damn YouTube links. Bing is all like "Wow, you have some farked up proclivities, but who am I to judge? Here you go. Oh, and here are some even more farked up search suggestions up top. Enjoy!"

...erm...or so I've been told.

.........by my pervy friends.


Back in the good ol days way before Google, Yahoo, used to use Altavista to find more sites when it ran out of results.  That's where you had go to find the really good porn.
 
2014-07-12 12:01:42 PM  

Tobin_Lam: I've been running into this lately, too. Google seems to be trying to interpret what I typed a little too hard.


So you're saying Google has turned into a teenage girl?

/Which would make Bing the Hardee's Thick Burger of search engines
 
2014-07-12 12:13:12 PM  

serpent_sky: When something becomes the operative word for something... such as "Well, just Google it" - it will be really hard to ever beat that.


It is difficult but over time it happens.  In the 80s everyone said "can you Xerox this" but for quite a while now Canon has been the #1 copier brand.
 
2014-07-12 12:15:14 PM  

AngryDragon: nekom: The only thing I use bing for is the birds eye maps.  Those are really cool!

Porn.  That's it.


Apparently porn and movie times. So two things.
 
2014-07-12 12:15:51 PM  
On both sites I entered one word: "movies". Both Bing and Google pulls up a listing of all movies playing near you. I think the way Google presents the info is better but both sites gives you the results. As long as they know your location it works.
 
2014-07-12 12:17:27 PM  

serpent_sky: RexTalionis: /Nobody is going to change their habits for movie times.

When something becomes the operative word for something... such as "Well, just Google it" - it will be really hard to ever beat that.  Even if a lot of us are sick of things like the how YouTube us tied to Gmail and such, but it has never occurred to me to actually type in Bing.com.

Also, don't people just go to Fandango or Moviefone if they want movie times?


This. Even then, I use Google only to help me find the right website -- say, the one for Carmike Cinemas or something -- and then I use their site. Why the hell would I trust Bing or Google to give me third-hand information? That's like trusting the phonebook* for the correct spelling of someone's name.

* remember those?
 
2014-07-12 12:19:11 PM  
I just hop on to Altavista and ask it what I need.
 
2014-07-12 12:34:40 PM  
Just checked on Fandango what time Planet of the Apes is showing. The ticket price is $17.50. That's insane. Does it come with a blow job from an ape or something? It does say the seat recline which I guess is nice but not sure if I've ever been in a movie where they didn't recline. But I don't go often so is this the new "don't you dare recline your seat in front of me" thing like on airplanes?
 
2014-07-12 12:48:22 PM  

Tom_Slick: I've been seeing this as well, my theory is many sites are now "Optimizing for Google" and skewing the results, if Bing! gains more users it will get worse just like Google.


That's why I stepped out of the SEO game. Not only is it boring as fark, keeping up with Google's ever-changing standards and getting penalized for following the previous day's standards - without realizing they changed them - was getting tiresome at best.  I just lost all patience for it after doing it for years.
 
2014-07-12 12:48:57 PM  
I don't know about movie times, but it's the hands down winner for finding porn.
 
2014-07-12 12:49:10 PM  

Tiberius Gracchus: I just hop on to Altavista and ask it what I need.


Jeeves prefers to be asked, though. That's what he's there for.
 
2014-07-12 12:56:10 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"


I'm on the verge of abandoning Google both for that and for the absurd delays loading their page from all the farking sciripts they run. I open a page and start typing, only to lose the first few letters because it was too busy prepping scripts to take my input. I actually had an opportunity to tell Google they were going down that path a few years ago (when they first, inexplicably, moved the section links from the left side of the page to the upper right side of the page, making them horribly misplaced and inconvenient) and both the technicians and reps seemed unable to grasp the fact that people cared about speed and convenience.

Another iteration or two of Bing and they should be where Google was (for cleanliness and usability) about 5 years ago, which was perfect.
 
2014-07-12 01:03:14 PM  
I like Bing Rewards.  It's an extra $15 to blow on music or games at Amazon.
 
2014-07-12 01:05:39 PM  

loonatic112358: Why would I use Bing, when I try it I wind up going back to Google because it actually returns the results I need


Try finding that odd porno slut from the 80's you looked at last night on Google and see how much crap you have to go through. If i wanted to fap this damn minute women sticking cellphones in vj's videos  without someone barging in on me I'll use Bing
 
2014-07-12 01:05:59 PM  

Wadded Beef: Not only did Google fail to find showtimes for the film "America," but it also missed the boat on "Jersey Boys" and "Deliver Us From Evil." Also, to find showtimes on Google for the latest Transformers movie, the movie's full title - "Transformers: Age of Extinction" - was required.

It seems Google is doing the public a huge favor here.


I just typed in Transformers into the Chrome address bar, and the movie times came right up.

/YMMV?
 
2014-07-12 01:06:21 PM  

sgilman: I don't know about movie times, but it's the hands down winner for finding porn.


Don't you mean "hands on wiener"?

Carousel Beast: I'm on the verge of abandoning Google both for that and for the absurd delays loading their page from all the farking sciripts they run.


I've already switched to Bing Maps because the latest version of Google Maps crammed in so much extra stuff that my laptop simply won't run maps anymore. This seems to be the case with too many Google products lately. They've entered the bloatware phase and are cramming in new features of dubious value simply so someone from marketing can have one more item on a list to promote.
 
2014-07-12 01:10:51 PM  

EngineerAU: Just checked on Fandango what time Planet of the Apes is showing. The ticket price is $17.50. That's insane. Does it come with a blow job from an ape or something? It does say the seat recline which I guess is nice but not sure if I've ever been in a movie where they didn't recline. But I don't go often so is this the new "don't you dare recline your seat in front of me" thing like on airplanes?


Go tomorrow morning.
 
2014-07-12 01:27:15 PM  

EngineerAU: sgilman: I don't know about movie times, but it's the hands down winner for finding porn.

Don't you mean "hands on wiener"?

Carousel Beast: I'm on the verge of abandoning Google both for that and for the absurd delays loading their page from all the farking sciripts they run.

I've already switched to Bing Maps because the latest version of Google Maps crammed in so much extra stuff that my laptop simply won't run maps anymore. This seems to be the case with too many Google products lately. They've entered the bloatware phase and are cramming in new features of dubious value simply so someone from marketing can have one more item on a list to promote.


Google Maps on Android is now a pain to use because they have switched on spell check and autocorrect for search. So now when you try to find a small town or a street name it decides it doesn't recognise that word and changes it to something else. And if you spot it and override it it then saves it to my dictionary, even postcodes which here start with letters. Yesterday I tried to search for a postcode and it auto corrected to a different postcode I had searched for before! What moran thought that would be a good idea?
 
2014-07-12 01:28:25 PM  

Flint Ironstag: EngineerAU: sgilman: I don't know about movie times, but it's the hands down winner for finding porn.

Don't you mean "hands on wiener"?

Carousel Beast: I'm on the verge of abandoning Google both for that and for the absurd delays loading their page from all the farking sciripts they run.

I've already switched to Bing Maps because the latest version of Google Maps crammed in so much extra stuff that my laptop simply won't run maps anymore. This seems to be the case with too many Google products lately. They've entered the bloatware phase and are cramming in new features of dubious value simply so someone from marketing can have one more item on a list to promote.

Google Maps on Android is now a pain to use because they have switched on spell check and autocorrect for search. So now when you try to find a small town or a street name it decides it doesn't recognise that word and changes it to something else. And if you spot it and override it it then saves it to my dictionary, even postcodes which here start with letters. Yesterday I tried to search for a postcode and it auto corrected to a different postcode I had searched for before! What moran thought that would be a good idea?


And you can't turn off autocorrect on Maps without turning it off for everything. Stupid.
 
2014-07-12 01:58:17 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Flint Ironstag: EngineerAU: sgilman: I don't know about movie times, but it's the hands down winner for finding porn.

Don't you mean "hands on wiener"?

Carousel Beast: I'm on the verge of abandoning Google both for that and for the absurd delays loading their page from all the farking sciripts they run.

I've already switched to Bing Maps because the latest version of Google Maps crammed in so much extra stuff that my laptop simply won't run maps anymore. This seems to be the case with too many Google products lately. They've entered the bloatware phase and are cramming in new features of dubious value simply so someone from marketing can have one more item on a list to promote.

Google Maps on Android is now a pain to use because they have switched on spell check and autocorrect for search. So now when you try to find a small town or a street name it decides it doesn't recognise that word and changes it to something else. And if you spot it and override it it then saves it to my dictionary, even postcodes which here start with letters. Yesterday I tried to search for a postcode and it auto corrected to a different postcode I had searched for before! What moran thought that would be a good idea?

And you can't turn off autocorrect on Maps without turning it off for everything. Stupid.


I use it all the time and have never had that problem
 
2014-07-12 02:04:21 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I hate Microsoft. HATE them. Having said that, I've been seeing increasingly better, more-relevant search results in Bing than I have from Google. For example, I recently acquired a pair of Micron PCIe SSDs, but they didn't exactly come with drivers or the requisite software suite. Searching for the model number on Google gave me a whole casserole of nonsense, yet Bing had exactly what I was looking for on the first page. Google's search engine has become extremely obnoxious over the past several years, "evolving" into a platform that basically insists that it knows better than the user.

At least that's been my experience. Bing just seems to properly process my searches as entered instead of basically saying, "you used these terms typed as such, but I'm pretty sure you want these barely-related terms in a different context instead!"


Here's a tip: when you're getting paid to shill for a product, you really want to turn down the 'lord and savior jesus christ' factor to like a 4, rather than the 11 you're dialing it at.
 
2014-07-12 02:07:52 PM  
For most end users Google does a good job, anticipating their searches, correcting their spelling, etc., but Google tends to generate recursive returns based on past searches and end user behavior.
In the Amazon website you can spend a few minutes and customize your search results by indicating a number of books you are interested in or like and which books you are not interested in or do not like. That is a helpful example of recursive returns. Google, over time, begins to generate returns that may actually hide important information while displaying results it "thinks" you will like. That is an example of unhelpful recursive returns.
 
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