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(Yahoo)   It's official: $3.7 billion is too much to donate to fixing the border problem. Never mind that $287 billion in tax cuts for the job creators. Why won't Obama DO SOMETHING   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 274
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2014-07-12 03:07:55 AM  
I think the american government should provide tvs and cable access to everyone in south and central america that broadcasts nothing but cable news with a constant ticker tape scrolling accross reading "You are leaving everything you have behind to come here for this bullshiat. Is your situation REALLY that bad?"

You might see a drop at the border.
 
2014-07-12 06:27:11 AM  

Czechzican: I think the american government should provide tvs and cable access to everyone in south and central america that broadcasts nothing but cable news with a constant ticker tape scrolling accross reading "You are leaving everything you have behind to come here for this bullshiat. Is your situation REALLY that bad?"

You might see a drop at the border.


24 hours of Nancy Grace.

Illegal immigration drops to 0 overnight. You're welcome.
 
2014-07-12 06:54:01 AM  
If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.
 
2014-07-12 07:12:44 AM  

SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.


You mean since republicans fought viciously to keep a small child away from his father because it might upset their voting bloc in a swing state?
 
2014-07-12 07:36:01 AM  

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.

You mean since republicans fought viciously to keep a small child away from his father because it might upset their voting bloc in a swing state?


So that is what the democrats are doing now?  They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents?  Because it might upset their voting block in future elections?

To quote the blind man as he entered the woman's bathroom, "I see!"
 
2014-07-12 07:52:48 AM  
If we just privatized the Border Patrol suddenly they'd find trillions
 
2014-07-12 08:09:24 AM  
Put them on commission.
 
2014-07-12 08:27:48 AM  

SauronWasFramed: So that is what the democrats are doing now? They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents?


No. You are really bad at analogies.
 
2014-07-12 08:50:24 AM  
Assholes.  They refuse to do anything, no matter how much it needs to be done.
 
2014-07-12 08:53:40 AM  
I'm pretty darn liberal and even I'm unclear on what exactly that 4 billion would buy.
Would it keep them out?
Would it smooth their way in?
What exactly is the goal?
 
2014-07-12 08:55:39 AM  
Is this really a surprise anymore?  Border security, embassy security, infrastructure, disaster relief, food stamps, green energy investment, minimum wage, etc, etc.  The list goes on and on.   Any sort of domestic spending is secondary to funneling more money to the rich even if it may benefit them long term.
 
2014-07-12 08:56:50 AM  

exparrot: I'm pretty darn liberal and even I'm unclear on what exactly that 4 billion would buy.
Would it keep them out?
Would it smooth their way in?
What exactly is the goal?


IIRC, the money pays for things like more judges to go though all these people to determine their status, and overtime pay for the overworked border patrol agents.  Bus fuel to transport them, some basic food and shelter for them, etc.
 
2014-07-12 08:57:24 AM  
Proposed 2015 defense budget = $495.6 billion     Obama's request $3.7 Billion or .75% of the proposed defense budget.  Priorities.
 
2014-07-12 08:58:08 AM  
It's good to get the absolute dumbest thing you'll read all day taken care of first thing in the morning
 
2014-07-12 08:58:13 AM  

Summoner101: Is this really a surprise anymore?  Border security, embassy security, infrastructure, disaster relief, food stamps, green energy investment, minimum wage, etc, etc.  The list goes on and on.   Any sort of domestic spending is secondary to funneling more money to the rich even if it may benefit them long term.


And yes I realize the minimum wage isn't necessarily "domestic spending," but there's plenty of support there to do it and won't be done because a rich guy somewhere may have to buy the 40-foot yacht instead of the 50-foot yacht.
 
2014-07-12 08:59:24 AM  

exparrot: I'm pretty darn liberal and even I'm unclear on what exactly that 4 billion would buy.
Would it keep them out?
Would it smooth their way in?
What exactly is the goal?


Did you try reading one of the many articles that explain what it's for and find yourself still confused?
 
2014-07-12 09:00:18 AM  

thurstonxhowell: exparrot: I'm pretty darn liberal and even I'm unclear on what exactly that 4 billion would buy.
Would it keep them out?
Would it smooth their way in?
What exactly is the goal?

Did you try reading one of the many articles that explain what it's for and find yourself still confused?


But then how could he troll?
 
2014-07-12 09:00:29 AM  

Summoner101: And yes I realize the minimum wage isn't necessarily "domestic spending," but there's plenty of support there to do it and won't be done because a rich guy somewhere may have to buy the 40-foot yacht instead of the 50-foot yacht.


Eh, the rich guy will likely be able to afford the 50-foot yacht anyway.  But he's worried that if he doesn't keep accumulating more and more wealth, he might have a great-great-grandson who has to work for a living.
 
2014-07-12 09:02:14 AM  
Alphax:Assholes.  They refuse to do anything, no matter how much it needs to be done.
 And what is it that you want them to do?
 
2014-07-12 09:02:53 AM  

SauronWasFramed: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.

You mean since republicans fought viciously to keep a small child away from his father because it might upset their voting bloc in a swing state?

So that is what the democrats are doing now?  They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents?  Because it might upset their voting block in future elections?

To quote the blind man as he entered the woman's bathroom, "I see!"


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-12 09:04:07 AM  

Alphax: Summoner101: And yes I realize the minimum wage isn't necessarily "domestic spending," but there's plenty of support there to do it and won't be done because a rich guy somewhere may have to buy the 40-foot yacht instead of the 50-foot yacht.

Eh, the rich guy will likely be able to afford the 50-foot yacht anyway.  But he's worried that if he doesn't keep accumulating more and more wealth, he might have a great-great-grandson who has to work for a living.


Well, yea.  Sure, but they don't want you to know that.
 
2014-07-12 09:04:47 AM  

SauronWasFramed: So that is what the democrats are doing now? They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents? Because it might upset their voting block in future elections?


1) Lots of these kids have relatives in the USA
2) Many of the Central American caretakers WANT these kids to live in the USA
 
2014-07-12 09:04:49 AM  

ignacio: Alphax:Assholes.  They refuse to do anything, no matter how much it needs to be done.
 And what is it that you want them to do?


Do you need to be told what needs to be done with refuge children?
 
2014-07-12 09:05:17 AM  
Phony outrage is phony outrage
 
2014-07-12 09:05:56 AM  
I was watching the Republicans whine (Boehner, I think) about how they didn't want to fork over $4bn because they didn't know what the President was going to do with it.

Here's what the President wants to do with it.
 
2014-07-12 09:06:47 AM  

SauronWasFramed: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.

You mean since republicans fought viciously to keep a small child away from his father because it might upset their voting bloc in a swing state?

So that is what the democrats are doing now?  They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents?  Because it might upset their voting block in future elections?

To quote the blind man as he entered the woman's bathroom, "I see!"


Link to where they are refusing to turn these kids over to their parents? The United States is trying to extradite these kids directly to their country of origin rather than just releasing unaccompanied minors at the Mexican border and saying "good luck on your 1300+ mile journey back!" in order to protect them from harm and abuse.

Reviewing each case to identify them and negotiating such extraditions takes time; the time delay fuels Central American rumors of "under-18 amnesty" in the United States that Coyotes are exploiting to encourage Latin American families to pay them to take their kids to the US/Mexican border so they can go find a border patrol agent to come take them in for their new better life. This influx of new unaccompanied minors is creating a bottleneck in the process, where now DHS is dealing with quintuple the anticipated number of kids in the program making the delay between capture and extradition even longer as a backlog starts and the living conditions for these kids deteriorate because we don't have the holding capacity needed to appropriately house and care for that many kids at once in the program.

The fact that right wing commentators are out there saying Obama really is behind this and is giving these kids amnesty is not helping.
 
2014-07-12 09:08:29 AM  
We could just build one of these:

i2.blogs.indiewire.com

Still wouldn't work.
 
2014-07-12 09:10:55 AM  

SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.


Hey, it hasn't stopped folks from capitalizing on the very policies that they tacitly supported for years. I point to Sheriff Joe Arpaio. For years, illegal immigrant labor built the "economic miracle" that is Phoenix, and now Arpaio is making it his mission to accumulate as much cash and as many favors for running these folks out of the town that they built. Folks love to rail about illegal labor, not so willing to prevent it, beyond expanding a prison industry and lining up new contracts to outfit police with new equipment, and perhaps drastically expanding the workload of the courts.

Looking to help prevent folks from fleeing their countries in the first place by helping to stabilize them, of course, is right off the table.
 
2014-07-12 09:13:28 AM  

SauronWasFramed: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.

You mean since republicans fought viciously to keep a small child away from his father because it might upset their voting bloc in a swing state?

So that is what the democrats are doing now?  They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents?  Because it might upset their voting block in future elections?

To quote the blind man as he entered the woman's bathroom, "I see!"


No. They are obeying the law that was signed in 2008 by president Bush that said unaccompanied minors from Central America that are caught crossing into the U.S must be held humanly and turned over to a relative in the U.S, if no relative in the U.S is found or is willing to take them, then they must be sent back.
 
2014-07-12 09:14:15 AM  
We could outfit a small army of tortoise with laser beams on the border for just a few million. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-12 09:14:55 AM  

ongbok: SauronWasFramed: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: If I understand, the US is unwilling to spend billions to fix a problem it is actively recruiting.  I haven't seen this much BS since the democrats deported Elian Gonzales.

You mean since republicans fought viciously to keep a small child away from his father because it might upset their voting bloc in a swing state?

So that is what the democrats are doing now?  They are viciously trying to keep small children from Central America away from their parents?  Because it might upset their voting block in future elections?

To quote the blind man as he entered the woman's bathroom, "I see!"

No. They are obeying the law that was signed in 2008 by president Bush that said unaccompanied minors from Central America that are caught crossing into the U.S must be held humanly and turned over to a relative in the U.S, if no relative in the U.S is found or is willing to take them, then they must be sent back.


How is he supposed to get outraged if you introduce facts into the discussion?
 
2014-07-12 09:17:07 AM  

Alphax: IIRC, the money pays for things like more judges to go though all these people to determine their status, and overtime pay for the overworked border patrol agents. Bus fuel to transport them, some basic food and shelter for them, etc


Well, if they were unborn, this would be no problem. But as we know, Republicans are not fans of ensuring children have basic food and shelter.  After seeing images of the conditions those kids are living in, how could anyone deny them something better and find a way to help them?
 
2014-07-12 09:27:01 AM  
Now we know how Mexico feels about Spring Break.
 
2014-07-12 09:27:27 AM  

Destructor: I was watching the Republicans whine (Boehner, I think) about how they didn't want to fork over $4bn because they didn't know what the President was going to do with it.

Here's what the President wants to do with it.


My favorite part of that press conference was Boehner getting fake angry that Obama will agree to Boehner's ideas, but only if he gets that $3.7 billion dollars "with no strings attached. In other words, he won't do it for the kids, it's all about politics."

So Obama being open to ideas and wanting money to implement those ideas is all politics, but Boehner refusing that money without some sort of spending cut to offset it is taking care of the kids. The mind bending is impressive.
 
2014-07-12 09:29:53 AM  

exparrot: I'm pretty darn liberal and even I'm unclear on what exactly that 4 billion would buy.
Would it keep them out?
Would it smooth their way in?
What exactly is the goal?


Mostly judges, lawyers, food, clothing and housing. None of it is earmarked for preventing them from crossing the border in the first place.

I say shift the money over from what we would normally send to the Central American countries in question as foreign aid. Including Mexico even though there aren't really a lot of Mexicans involved they are letting them pass through their country. Make it hurt for all of them and maybe they will do something about it. Consider it a babysitting fee.
 
2014-07-12 09:31:39 AM  

Alphax: ignacio: Alphax:Assholes.  They refuse to do anything, no matter how much it needs to be done.
 And what is it that you want them to do?

Do you need to be told what needs to be done with refuge children?


I misread that at refuse children and was like "dude not cool"

I need coffee
 
2014-07-12 09:31:58 AM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: Is this really a surprise anymore?  Border security, embassy security, infrastructure, disaster relief, food stamps, green energy investment, minimum wage, etc, etc.  The list goes on and on.   Any sort of domestic spending is secondary to funneling more money to the rich even if it may benefit them long term.

And yes I realize the minimum wage isn't necessarily "domestic spending," but there's plenty of support there to do it and won't be done because a rich guy somewhere may have to buy the 40-foot yacht instead of the 50-foot yacht.


50 foot yacht? That's just a dinghy!
 
2014-07-12 09:32:08 AM  
Republicans only genuine interest in this (or any) issue is: how can we use this to make Obama look bad?
 
2014-07-12 09:32:54 AM  
1. Legalize drugs so the money flowing to the cartels stops
2. Stop sending arms to Central and South America
3. Setup a realistic program that permits working in the US and provides a road to citizenship


Of course the GOP will never let any of happen because then the war with Eurasia would be over.
 
2014-07-12 09:33:02 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: ongbok: SauronWasFramed: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed:

How is he supposed to get outraged if you introduce facts into the discussion?


There's always a way.
 
2014-07-12 09:33:13 AM  
What real border control looks like.  Only thing missing is the armed border patrol agents with shoot to kill orders.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-12 09:33:38 AM  

Grungehamster: The fact that right wing commentators are out there saying Obama really is behind this and is giving these kids amnesty is not helping.


It turns out their words, which are all based in "make the President look bad at all costs" have consequences. Who would have thought?
 
2014-07-12 09:35:19 AM  

Destructor: I was watching the Republicans whine (Boehner, I think) about how they didn't want to fork over $4bn because they didn't know what the President was going to do with it.

Here's what the President wants to do with it.


But...what does he want to do do with all that money? It's all very well to methodically break down exactly what the money would be spent on, but what does Obama hope to accomplish, overall? That's what the GOP have concerns about, because remember Benghazi? What was up with that anyway? This is really about making sure the American People don't have to pay for any more Big Government Pork, and that the Government doesn't take away their guns.
 
2014-07-12 09:36:50 AM  

SamWaters: What real border control looks like.  Only thing missing is the armed border patrol agents with shoot to kill orders.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x624]


Do you really want to live in a country that looks like that?  That looks like a maximum security prison?

Not to mention that it's far too expensive.
 
2014-07-12 09:37:20 AM  

jayhawk88: Destructor: I was watching the Republicans whine (Boehner, I think) about how they didn't want to fork over $4bn because they didn't know what the President was going to do with it.

Here's what the President wants to do with it.

But...what does he want to do do with all that money? It's all very well to methodically break down exactly what the money would be spent on, but what does Obama hope to accomplish, overall? That's what the GOP have concerns about, because remember Benghazi? What was up with that anyway? This is really about making sure the American People don't have to pay for any more Big Government Pork, and that the Government doesn't take away their guns.


What the meaning of do, do.

But seriously, don't give 'em ideas :(
 
2014-07-12 09:39:31 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Republicans only genuine interest in this (or any) issue is: how can we use this to make Obama look bad?


Yup. It's really quite astonishing when you think about it. For 6 years now - soon to be 8 - nearly every decision/position the GOP has taken has been in service of that one singular goal.
 
2014-07-12 09:39:46 AM  
If you think these requested funds are going to be used for any other reason than to continue this human trafficking operation, you're nuts.
 
2014-07-12 09:41:50 AM  

SamWaters: What real border control looks like.  Only thing missing is the armed border patrol agents with shoot to kill orders.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x624]


And we'd only need to build 1900 miles of it! And maintain it forever! But at least we wouldn't have to spend $3.4 billion!
 
2014-07-12 09:42:26 AM  
I wonder how long we have left as a country when we can't show children mercy.
 
2014-07-12 09:43:46 AM  
25 million for plane tickets back to their parents.
 
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