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(National Review)   In a surprise move that no one could have possibly predicted, small businesses in Seattle are cutting work hours and services in response to the new $15/hr minimum wage law   (nationalreview.com ) divider line
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2014-07-11 07:40:35 PM  
is already costing jobs and raising prices, business owners say.

Can we get some fact to support this?  Or is it just a load of BS?
 
2014-07-11 07:43:54 PM  

MasterAdkins: is already costing jobs and raising prices, business owners say.

Can we get some fact to support this?  Or is it just a load of BS?


Questioning the job creators is generally frowned upon. Please tread lightly
 
2014-07-11 07:45:49 PM  
If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you
 
2014-07-11 07:46:52 PM  

MasterAdkins: is already costing jobs and raising prices, business owners say.

Can we get some fact to support this?  Or is it just a load of BS?


Or you insinuating that The National Review - long known for being forthright and unbiased - might be lying as it pertains to a liberal policy?
 
2014-07-11 07:53:42 PM  
A rising tide sinks all boats...or something
 
2014-07-11 07:59:40 PM  
Surely there must be some factual source for claims of this nature.
 
2014-07-11 08:03:44 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: MasterAdkins: is already costing jobs and raising prices, business owners say.

Can we get some fact to support this?  Or is it just a load of BS?

Or you insinuating that The National Review - long known for being forthright and unbiased - might be lying as it pertains to a liberal policy?


To the fainting couch!
 
2014-07-11 08:04:40 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: MasterAdkins: is already costing jobs and raising prices, business owners say.

Can we get some fact to support this?  Or is it just a load of BS?

Or you insinuating that The National Review - long known for being forthright and unbiased - might be lying as it pertains to a liberal policy?


Sir, the source is none other the spirit of William F. Buckley moaning at the thought of the labor force earning a living wage.
 
2014-07-11 08:34:16 PM  
I heard that liberals are organizing a boycott of all them business trying to roll back the minimum wage increase.  That ought to drive them all out of business even sooner.  Won't be long before Seattle is the new Detroit
 
2014-07-11 08:36:42 PM  
And the small businesses who still offer the services will be the businesses who get all the business.
 
2014-07-11 08:42:09 PM  

SkinnyHead: I heard that liberals are organizing a boycott of all them business trying to roll back the minimum wage increase.  That ought to drive them all out of business even sooner.  Won't be long before Seattle is the new Detroit


Yeah, that'll happen any day now. *eyeroll*
 
2014-07-11 08:43:09 PM  
Since I happen to LIVE HERE I can end your speculation with facts:  1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels.  2)I have noticed a huge influx of Craigslist part time job openings in the Seattle Area.  3)The main problem was an acclaimed socialist managed to get voted on the Seattle City Counsel- and her platform was made up of illegal Hispanics because she herself is Hispanic.

The local newscasters portrayed her as a Hero of the local Soviet Union.  The rest of us who live in the real world has recognized this unmitigated economic disaster and the wife and I are now looking at moving away from here- there's going to be a "Dominoe's" effect and soon Seattle will be the next Detroit.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-11 08:46:14 PM  

Trailltrader: her platform was made up of illegal Hispanics because she herself is Hispanic.


I don't know what this is supposed to mean.  Can you clarify?
 
2014-07-11 08:48:33 PM  

Trailltrader: Since I happen to LIVE HERE I can end your speculation with facts:  1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels.  2)I have noticed a huge influx of Craigslist part time job openings in the Seattle Area.  3)The main problem was an acclaimed socialist managed to get voted on the Seattle City Counsel- and her platform was made up of illegal Hispanics because she herself is Hispanic.

The local newscasters portrayed her as a Hero of the local Soviet Union.  The rest of us who live in the real world has recognized this unmitigated economic disaster and the wife and I are now looking at moving away from here- there's going to be a "Dominoe's" effect and soon Seattle will be the next Detroit.


Gas in the Seattle area has been "stable" over the past month.
 
2014-07-11 08:51:47 PM  

Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels


Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?
 
2014-07-11 08:56:53 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Trailltrader: Since I happen to LIVE HERE I can end your speculation with facts:  1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels.  2)I have noticed a huge influx of Craigslist part time job openings in the Seattle Area.  3)The main problem was an acclaimed socialist managed to get voted on the Seattle City Counsel- and her platform was made up of illegal Hispanics because she herself is Hispanic.

The local newscasters portrayed her as a Hero of the local Soviet Union.  The rest of us who live in the real world has recognized this unmitigated economic disaster and the wife and I are now looking at moving away from here- there's going to be a "Dominoe's" effect and soon Seattle will be the next Detroit.

Gas in the Seattle area has been "stable" over the past month.


Nuh uh.

DOMINOE'S
 
2014-07-11 08:57:32 PM  

mediablitz: Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels

Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?


DOMINOE'S

APOSTROPHE

DETROIT
 
2014-07-11 08:58:21 PM  

dr_blasto: mediablitz: Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels

Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?

DOMINOE'S

APOSTROPHE

DETROIT


Woop! Woop!
 
2014-07-11 09:00:48 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you


FTFA: Tugadi no longer hires musicians for her restaurant. With the wage increase still looming, she said she can't justify expenses that don't directly "add to the bottom line." She's also removed labor-intensive menu items and adjusted prices in preparation for the hike. And, she says, hours will have to be cut: At the end of the summer, El Norte Lounge will stop serving lunch and will only serve dinner.

So in response to increased costs she's going to make her restaurant less desirable by cutting the live music and dumbing down the dishes, while also cutting her opportunities to earn income by cutting the hours she's open.

I predict she's about to get a first hand look at why austerity measures don't work.

On the bright side, the other restaurants in the area will be able to take advantage of the business she's giving up on, and do even better, even with paying out the living wage.

If the new minimum wage causes some businesses to shiat the bed and fold, good, they shouldn't have been in business in the first place if they couldn't operate and pay their employees a fair wage.  I have a feeling that this is a lot of noise and teeth gnashing about nothing though - the higher wage will increase consumer spending and the businesses that do things right will be able to take advantage of that.  Those that go into panic mode are going to only hurt themselves.
 
2014-07-11 09:01:20 PM  

mediablitz: Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels

Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?


Seattle's CPI from Feb '14 to Apr '14 rose almost exactly the same as the US's did.

Both links are to .pdf's and require scrolling to the appropriate chart/page.
 
2014-07-11 09:01:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: dr_blasto: mediablitz: Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels

Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?

DOMINOE'S

APOSTROPHE

DETROIT

Woop! Woop!


superfluous E!
 
2014-07-11 09:03:24 PM  
And yes, I realize that a lot could happen between April and July, but I'm just pointing out that prices are on the rise all over.
 
2014-07-11 09:03:44 PM  

dr_blasto: MaudlinMutantMollusk: dr_blasto: mediablitz: Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels

Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?

DOMINOE'S

APOSTROPHE

DETROIT

Woop! Woop!

superfluous E!


Superfluous E is perhaps one of the most underrated rappers of his generation.
 
2014-07-11 09:04:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: dr_blasto: mediablitz: Trailltrader: 1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels

Not that I don't believe you, based on the bullsh*t you've posted in the past, but my cousin lives in Seattle and says you are full of sh*t.

Care to post actual, quantifiable proof of these HUGE increases?

DOMINOE'S

APOSTROPHE

DETROIT

Woop! Woop!


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-11 09:07:58 PM  
Can someone that cares tell me if the law is fully implemented now?

Or does it roll out year by year until the 2020's?

OH Wait....Last month, Seattle's mayor and city council unanimously approved a raise of the minimum wage from $9.32 to $15 by 2021

Subby and other farkers calling PANIC PANIC...are full of shait as usual.

The ordinance mandates a gradual wage increase over the course of three to seven years, depending on an employer's size and offering of health benefits. The first change would take place on April 1, 2015, with a raise to $11 for larger companies and companies offering health benefits, and $10 for companies with fewer than 500 employees and without minimum compensation. After its full implementation, the minimum wage would then be indexed to inflation.
 
2014-07-11 09:08:20 PM  
If your business plan revolves around cheap labor, you shouldn't be in business.
 
2014-07-11 09:11:27 PM  

optikeye: Can someone that cares tell me if the law is fully implemented now?

Or does it roll out year by year until the 2020's?

OH Wait....Last month, Seattle's mayor and city council unanimously approved a raise of the minimum wage from $9.32 to $15 by 2021

Subby and other farkers calling PANIC PANIC...are full of shait as usual.

The ordinance mandates a gradual wage increase over the course of three to seven years, depending on an employer's size and offering of health benefits. The first change would take place on April 1, 2015, with a raise to $11 for larger companies and companies offering health benefits, and $10 for companies with fewer than 500 employees and without minimum compensation. After its full implementation, the minimum wage would then be indexed to inflation.


So you're saying that an owners profits will be decreased 68 cents per hour per employee?

If you have a billion employees, that's 680,000,000 AN HOUR.   That's not chump change.
 
2014-07-11 09:13:40 PM  
If the so called free market keeps wages stagnant for 30 BLOODY YEARS, it's time that the government forces their hand and make them feed the peons they practically enslave to make them rich.

/I'm looking at you, Waltons.
//You too, McDonalds.
 
2014-07-11 09:14:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you

FTFA: Tugadi no longer hires musicians for her restaurant. With the wage increase still looming, she said she can't justify expenses that don't directly "add to the bottom line." She's also removed labor-intensive menu items and adjusted prices in preparation for the hike. And, she says, hours will have to be cut: At the end of the summer, El Norte Lounge will stop serving lunch and will only serve dinner.

So in response to increased costs she's going to make her restaurant less desirable by cutting the live music and dumbing down the dishes, while also cutting her opportunities to earn income by cutting the hours she's open.

I predict she's about to get a first hand look at why austerity measures don't work.

On the bright side, the other restaurants in the area will be able to take advantage of the business she's giving up on, and do even better, even with paying out the living wage.

If the new minimum wage causes some businesses to shiat the bed and fold, good, they shouldn't have been in business in the first place if they couldn't operate and pay their employees a fair wage.  I have a feeling that this is a lot of noise and teeth gnashing about nothing though - the higher wage will increase consumer spending and the businesses that do things right will be able to take advantage of that.  Those that go into panic mode are going to only hurt themselves.


She'll be fine. The derp brigade will show up in droves.

Frankly, she might just be crazy like a fox.
 
2014-07-11 09:19:54 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: So you're saying that an owners profits will be decreased 68 cents per hour per employee?


Or they could increase...as the worker next door will have an extra 68cents/hour to spend on your tacos.

Look, the USA needs to get out of this mind set that the business of business is simply maximize profit at all cost.

You eventually have to MAKE something and sell something to other workers that make something and sell something---we just can't sit around and sell insurance and stock options to each other.
 
2014-07-11 09:57:05 PM  
So if she stops hiring and starts laying off workers, then she is no longer a job creator.  it's a self-correcting definition.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-11 09:58:16 PM  
Well, I guess that if you want to cut your money making activities because you have to pay people then I guess better run businesses will have to pick up the slack.
 
2014-07-11 10:00:36 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you


There's something to be said for planning ahead and planning for worst case scenarios (see: US auto industry) but this all does seem a little premature.  Independent restaurants do normally operate on a very slim profit margin, but if everyone has to raise their prices at the same time at least you're covered.  Jumping the gun at this point will probably hurt your business.

TuteTibiImperes: I predict she's about to get a first hand look at why austerity measures don't work.


Restaurants aren't government.  You can't spend your way to success and you can't print money. That said, she's jumping the gun a little bit.
 
2014-07-11 10:06:03 PM  
My only thought on this is that waitstaff will be even more arrogant.
 
2014-07-11 10:21:49 PM  

Trailltrader: Since I happen to LIVE HERE I can end your speculation with facts:  1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels.  2)I have noticed a huge influx of Craigslist part time job openings in the Seattle Area.  3)The main problem was an acclaimed socialist managed to get voted on the Seattle City Counsel- and her platform was made up of illegal Hispanics because she herself is Hispanic.

The local newscasters portrayed her as a Hero of the local Soviet Union.  The rest of us who live in the real world has recognized this unmitigated economic disaster and the wife and I are now looking at moving away from here- there's going to be a "Dominoe's" effect and soon Seattle will be the next Detroit.


Don't do it man, you would be missed!

Where are you looking at going to go? Somalia or Texas?
 
2014-07-11 10:25:12 PM  

Lsherm: You can't spend your way to success


So much for the world of advertising.
 
2014-07-11 10:32:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
So about a year ago, the US average for gas was about the same was it is today, but Seattle's average is about 10 cents/gallon higher.

But considering that an individual gas station doesn't employ that many people, and considering that a gas station attendant surely isn't even close to the most expensive part of running a gas station, I am skeptical that a wage increase that hasn't even gone into effect yet is causing this.  There could be a multitude of factors at play.

Looking at other places in the Pacific northwest, the price differential between Portland and Seattle is about the same vs. a year ago, but the price differential between Seattle/Portland and Spokhane has grown.

i.imgur.com
I dunno.
 
2014-07-11 10:42:38 PM  

elchip: So about a year ago, the US average for gas was about the same was it is today, but Seattle's average is about 10 cents/gallon higher.

But considering that an individual gas station doesn't employ that many people, and considering that a gas station attendant surely isn't even close to the most expensive part of running a gas station, I am skeptical that a wage increase that hasn't even gone into effect yet is causing this.  There could be a multitude of factors at play.

Looking at other places in the Pacific northwest, the price differential between Portland and Seattle is about the same vs. a year ago, but the price differential between Seattle/Portland and Spokhane has grown.


I dunno.


Comparing it to the rest of the US is irrelevant. The claim was made that...ahem..."a huge sharp price increase" was the direct result of a policy that only effects the Seattle area.

Yes, there was a price increase...that roughly matched the price increase everywhere else. And it was neither huge nor sharp.
 
2014-07-11 10:42:51 PM  
Lsherm:

TuteTibiImperes: I predict she's about to get a first hand look at why austerity measures don't work.

Restaurants aren't government.  You can't spend your way to success and you can't print money. That said, she's jumping the gun a little bit.


True, but the old adage 'you have to spend money to make money' comes from the business world.  You need a solid business plan, of course, but you can't penny pinch your way to prosperity.

Now, maybe she's already operating in the red and barely hanging on.  If that's the case she was already done, the wage increase is just hastening the reckoning.

If, on the other hand, she's doing well right now, it's because she's built up her restaurant into something that people want to patronize.  If I had a place I liked to go because of the live music and good food and they suddenly decided to axe the music and cheapen the food, I'd likely find a new place to go.  On the other hand, if I liked a place and due to market conditions they had to raise the prices some I'd probably remain a customer.

When you raise prices the only people you might lose are the cheapskates that you aren't making much profit on anyway.  Keep the quality up, raise prices some if need be to compensate (which may not even end up being needed if the wage increase drives additional business because more people will have more disposable income) and keep the core clientèle happy.
 
2014-07-11 10:53:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you

FTFA: Tugadi no longer hires musicians for her restaurant. With the wage increase still looming, she said she can't justify expenses that don't directly "add to the bottom line." She's also removed labor-intensive menu items and adjusted prices in preparation for the hike. And, she says, hours will have to be cut: At the end of the summer, El Norte Lounge will stop serving lunch and will only serve dinner.

So in response to increased costs she's going to make her restaurant less desirable by cutting the live music and dumbing down the dishes, while also cutting her opportunities to earn income by cutting the hours she's open.

I predict she's about to get a first hand look at why austerity measures don't work.

On the bright side, the other restaurants in the area will be able to take advantage of the business she's giving up on, and do even better, even with paying out the living wage.

If the new minimum wage causes some businesses to shiat the bed and fold, good, they shouldn't have been in business in the first place if they couldn't operate and pay their employees a fair wage.  I have a feeling that this is a lot of noise and teeth gnashing about nothing though - the higher wage will increase consumer spending and the businesses that do things right will be able to take advantage of that.  Those that go into panic mode are going to only hurt themselves.


She's responding to an increase still almost a year away. Sounds like her restaurant isn't doing well to begin with and she's just blaming the cut backs on the minimum wage increase.
 
2014-07-11 10:56:15 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If I had a place I liked to go because of the live music and good food and they suddenly decided to make a political statement by firing people, axe the music and cheapen the food, I'd likely find a new place to go.


FTFY
 
2014-07-11 11:11:25 PM  
Seattle is supposed to be progressive. Why don't they get the wage raise up into the mid-20s where it should be?
 
2014-07-11 11:14:26 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you


Raising prices and costing jobs they say. They will either make do and stay in business or someone else will take their place. What's that about the invisible hand of the market again?
 
2014-07-11 11:17:41 PM  

djkutch: Lsherm: You can't spend your way to success

So much for the world of advertising.


I thought even the Google ad fanatics had started to realize there's a limit to how well advertising works.
 
2014-07-11 11:17:55 PM  
A lot of things went into making Detroit into the metropolis it is today.

Paying workers a living wage isn't one of them.

Stop being stupid.  Please.  Do you want a world where we look up to the Germans, the Japanese, the French?!  We are falling and falling fast, and it's because we are funneling all the money upwards.
 
2014-07-11 11:18:07 PM  
go back the other way and we'll eat at Dick's
 
2014-07-11 11:18:37 PM  

MasterAdkins: is already costing jobs and raising prices, business owners say.

Can we get some fact to support this?  Or is it just a load of BS?


This. Or might it be possible that some business owners are laying people off to prove a point?

I dont put anything past greedy bastards like those that oppose people who work 40+ hours a week being able to actually NOT have to be on government assistance to survive.
 
2014-07-11 11:19:46 PM  

ElLoco: Seattle is supposed to be progressive. Why don't they get the wage raise up into the mid-20s where it should be?


Because even though we do not have an over abundance of teatards we still have enough to gum things up.
 
2014-07-11 11:19:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're already cutting services and hours before the raises even begin to take effect, I'm not sure I feel any sympathy for you


She's not considering all the new customers she will get who can now afford to eat at restaurants because of their higher pay.

I couldn't even afford to eat at McDonald's when I was on minimum wage. The ex and I were both on min wage the first year we lived together and both working full time. We went to mcdonalds and the movies exactly twice that first year. Couldn't even afford much food at all and would eat at my parent's house usually. His car got repossessed so then we were down to one car which was for the best as we couldn't afford gas for 2 cars.

Min wage sucks. I'd turn to a life of crime before I'd live like that again.
 
2014-07-11 11:20:13 PM  

Trailltrader: Since I happen to LIVE HERE I can end your speculation with facts:  1)I have observed a huge sharp price increase in basics such as gasoline, food and temporary shelter such as hotels.  2)I have noticed a huge influx of Craigslist part time job openings in the Seattle Area.  3)The main problem was an acclaimed socialist managed to get voted on the Seattle City Counsel- and her platform was made up of illegal Hispanics because she herself is Hispanic.

The local newscasters portrayed her as a Hero of the local Soviet Union.  The rest of us who live in the real world has recognized this unmitigated economic disaster and the wife and I are now looking at moving away from here- there's going to be a "Dominoe's" effect and soon Seattle will be the next Detroit.


My sister who lives in Seattle calls bullsh*t.
 
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