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(NBC News)   Three top billionaires write op-ed castigating Congress for "shortchanging America" and telling them to "get your act together on immigration reform." Of course, that would be libby-libs Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and ― WTFark? HIM?? REALLY???   (nbcnews.com ) divider line 94
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2014-07-11 01:23:28 PM  
Someone needs to clean the hotel rooms at Sheldon addelson's casinos, subby.
 
2014-07-11 01:31:37 PM  

kbronsito: Someone needs to clean the hotel rooms at Sheldon addelson's casinos, subby.


Harry Reid can't do it all by himself, I guess.
 
2014-07-11 01:41:33 PM  
Honestly, 4 kindergarteners could get more done than the House does. Before nap time.
 
2014-07-11 01:54:45 PM  
It's pretty amazing how they wrote an entire piece about the urge to pass immigration reform, and didn't mention "Republicans" or "Boehner" even once.
 
2014-07-11 01:58:58 PM  

DamnYankees: It's pretty amazing how they wrote an entire piece about the urge to pass immigration reform, and didn't mention "Republicans" or "Boehner" even once.


Right? They even talk about how Cantor's loss is the reason for the current delay, but don't mention him by name or even what party he's in.

I bet that was Adelson's doing.
 
2014-07-11 01:59:00 PM  

ginandbacon: Honestly, 4 kindergarteners could get more done than the House does. Before nap time.


Even when Congress was not in gridlock and the GOP rubber stamped everything GWB did because the GOP always voted together on everything from Iraq to the Patriot Act to the unfunded drug prescriptions... they managed turn on him as soon as he tried for immigration reform. I wonder why?
 
2014-07-11 02:05:48 PM  

Rincewind53: They even talk about how Cantor's loss is the reason for the current delay


Which is bullsh*t. The immigration bill passed by the Senate would pass the House if Boehner let it come to a vote. But Obama isn't leading or something.
 
2014-07-11 02:08:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Rincewind53: They even talk about how Cantor's loss is the reason for the current delay

Which is bullsh*t. The immigration bill passed by the Senate would pass the House if Boehner let it come to a vote. But Obama isn't leading or something.


Yep, the Hastert Rule.  Seriously... f*ck the Hastert Rule, it's a perversion of the idea of a representative legislative body.
 
2014-07-11 02:11:35 PM  

Rincewind53: Yep, the Hastert Rule.  Seriously... f*ck the Hastert Rule, it's a perversion of the idea of a representative legislative body.


It's not an official rule and has been broken by Boehner multiple times already. The only thing holding back passage of the bill is Boehner.
 
2014-07-11 02:12:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Rincewind53: Yep, the Hastert Rule.  Seriously... f*ck the Hastert Rule, it's a perversion of the idea of a representative legislative body.

It's not an official rule and has been broken by Boehner multiple times already. The only thing holding back passage of the bill is Boehner.


It's an unofficial rule with enough force that it's only been broken three times in the past decade of Republican speakership.
 
2014-07-11 02:18:51 PM  

Rincewind53: It's an unofficial rule with enough force that it's only been broken three times in the past decade of Republican speakership.


All three times in the last few years. It's not that hard a rule.
 
2014-07-11 02:23:44 PM  

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: It's an unofficial rule with enough force that it's only been broken three times in the past decade of Republican speakership.

All three times in the last few years. It's not that hard a rule.


I think it's hard enough on controversial issues like this one that you can conclusively point to it as the primary reason that there is simply no attempt to bring  any bill to the floor.

Is it Boehner's decision, and thus his fault? Yes, of course. But it shouldn't entirely be in his hands in the first place.
 
2014-07-11 02:53:55 PM  
The actual powers that control the GOP do not share the same anti-immigrant sentiment that is used to rile up the rubes that comprise the base. They care about the bottom line, and cheap labor is good for it.

This should surprise no one.
 
2014-07-11 02:54:37 PM  
I was afraid of discovering engineers biatching about h1b in this thread.  We lucked out.
 
2014-07-11 02:55:48 PM  

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: It's an unofficial rule with enough force that it's only been broken three times in the past decade of Republican speakership.

All three times in the last few years. It's not that hard a rule.


Can they elect a new speaker? If they could and he broke it over this issue I am pretty sure they would.
 
2014-07-11 02:56:19 PM  
Yes, Congress is still under a Denial-of-Service attack.  Funny, people don't like to talk about the source of the problem.
 
2014-07-11 02:57:16 PM  
As an immigrant, I chose to live in America because it is one of the
freest and most vibrant nations in the world. And as an immigrant, I
feel an obligation to speak up for immigration policies that will keep
America the most economically robust, creative and freedom-loving
nation in the world.

-Rupert Murdoch
 
2014-07-11 02:57:45 PM  
Well, when they say "immigration reform"...I read "cheap foreign labor".
 
2014-07-11 03:00:17 PM  
Does he believe in immigration reform? Not a chance in hell. But Sheldon Adelson knows that if his party can't get it's shiat together on immigration reform, he'll never be able to get the people elected that he needs to increase his bank account.
 
2014-07-11 03:00:28 PM  

kbronsito: Someone needs to clean the hotel rooms at Sheldon addelson's casinos, subby.


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Si. Sr Sheldon is no here.
 
2014-07-11 03:02:25 PM  
Sheldon Adelson

Drink!
 
2014-07-11 03:04:47 PM  

Nabb1: kbronsito: Someone needs to clean the hotel rooms at Sheldon addelson's casinos, subby.

Harry Reid can't do it all by himself, I guess.


He's not cleaning rooms.  He's polishing Sheldon's knob.
 
2014-07-11 03:05:35 PM  
Support for illegal infiltration comes from lefties who like to pretend they give a shiat about other people and billionaires who salivate at the idea of a new slave class.

No surprise there.
 
2014-07-11 03:05:37 PM  
The hotel industry is pretty dependent on cheap imported labor, so I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.
 
2014-07-11 03:06:28 PM  

1derful: illegal infiltration


LOOK AT THIS FRANK LUTZ MOTHERF*CKER RIGHT HERE GOTDAMN
 
2014-07-11 03:08:07 PM  
Listen to the 1%,  they know what is best.

Open borders are win-win for politicians and big business.
 
2014-07-11 03:11:07 PM  
There's an argument to be made that billionaires may not want to buy a country if they know Republicans are running it into the ground via gross neglect.
 
2014-07-11 03:11:20 PM  

1derful: Support for illegal infiltration comes from lefties who like to pretend they give a shiat about other people and billionaires who salivate at the idea of a new slave class.

No surprise there.


Actually, support for "illegal infiltration" comes from business owners who enjoy having a permanent underclass of cheap labor. Funnily enough, the vast majority of those business owners are conservatives.
 
2014-07-11 03:11:33 PM  

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: It's an unofficial rule with enough force that it's only been broken three times in the past decade of Republican speakership.

All three times in the last few years. It's not that hard a rule.


And after I forget which one, the base almost revolted and kicked Boehner out of the Speakership, effectively reinstating the Rule with much sharper teeth.

Boehner doesn't want to lose in November, and having libs pass his bills is a great way to motivate OH-8 to kick his ass out (or really, to simply stay home and let nature take its course).
 
2014-07-11 03:12:08 PM  
I've come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace;

That two become a law firm;

And that three, or more, become a congress.

/ lovingly stolen from the lines of the most obnoxious and disliked founding father in the musical 1776

// piddle, twiddle and resolve; not one damn thing do we SOLVE
 
2014-07-11 03:15:49 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-11 03:16:27 PM  
It's time for 535 of America's citizens to remember what they owe to the 318 million who employ them.

People are pissed off about the gridlocked, childish, do-nothing Congress and they have every right to biatch at them.

The public's opinion of Congress has sunk down to single digits over the last few years because of their inability to do their jobs.

This public ire hasn't seemed to help much.

Now that 3 of the nation's top billionaires are adding their voices to the chorus of boos it might actually have some effect.

The American people may employ Congress but it's .01%ers like Adelson, Gates and Buffet et al who cut the cheques that ultimately get them elected.
 
2014-07-11 03:18:48 PM  
If Buffet, Gates AND Adelson are all agreeing on something and telling Congress to pull their heads out of their asses, maybe they ought to listen.

I know they won't, but there you have it.

And, yes, this is Boehner's fault for adhering to the Hastert Rule.
 
2014-07-11 03:21:36 PM  

Nabb1: kbronsito: Someone needs to clean the hotel rooms at Sheldon addelson's casinos, subby.

Harry Reid can't do it all by himself, I guess.


media.giphy.com
 
2014-07-11 03:23:22 PM  
Adelson? Not surprising. A color they can all agree on is green.
 
2014-07-11 03:26:13 PM  
FTA: The business magnates also said it "bordered on insanity" to encourage foreign students to study in the U.S., and then "deport them when they graduate."
 
2014-07-11 03:27:03 PM  

quatchi: The American people may employ Congress but it's .01%ers like Adelson, Gates and Buffet et al who cut the cheques that ultimately get them elected.


Only adelson does that of those specific 3.
 
2014-07-11 03:33:31 PM  
Wow, when Sheldon comes out between Alzheimer's fits and says his bought-and-paid-for politicians aren't serving the people, maybe we should listen.

Or maybe he shouldn't buy politicians for his stupid policy ideas and wonder why the American people hate them.
 
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2014-07-11 03:34:25 PM  

but whole: The actual powers that control the GOP do not share the same anti-immigrant sentiment that is used to rile up the rubes that comprise the base. They care about the bottom line, and cheap labor is good for it.

This should surprise no one.


Bush promised immigration reform during his campaign.

Dubya I mean.
 
2014-07-11 03:37:15 PM  
 Just the opinion of three farking guys.  That they are billionaires shouldn't matter.  Anyway, they say immigration reform will "lift the national spirit" and "stimulate the economy", but don't really outline how.  This isn't Tesla and Einstein emigrating to the states to expand the boundaries of human knowledge, it is masses of third worlders that will not add much to the tax base, but will likely occupy the bottom rung of society and be a net loss as they will be beneficiaries of social services at much higher rates than the population at large.

Additionally, it isn't like there is much in the way of employment for them.  For those already in same skill and education demographic - urban blacks for one - they represent direct competition for the few available low skilled jobs.  Unemployment among unskilled blacks is already sky high and this will make it even worse.

But yeah, other than putting more of a strain on an overextended social services system and sending black unemployment into the stratosphere, they will be a boon to the economy.
 
2014-07-11 03:44:43 PM  
the great thing about America is I can spout my opinion as if I had studied the issue for decades and had something to offer and everyone takes me seriously, as long as I either say it with enough conviction to sway, or it already echoes someone else's mindset.

Not that anyone cares, but I don't see how a nation built by immigrants can decide to just pull up the ladder. What assholes. Is the concern that the evil brownies from the South will mongrelize the races? I'm seriously, is it? All the talks about what it'll do to the working class just strike me as concern trolling.
 
2014-07-11 03:47:29 PM  
The only people who don't want immigration reform (unless it means mounting autocannons on huge, concrete walls the length of the U.S.-Mexico border) are halfwit hillbillies who watched too many Chuck Norris movies growing up and think we're one vote shy of a continental currency and the only solution to every problem is the business end of a semiautomatic rifle.

Rich people and business want reform because they want access to the cheap, willing labor that fresh blood brings. They also would like to stop manipulating the visa program to bring in more professionals from other countries, again, because they're cheaper.

Like so many other things in this country, progress is being thwarted not because the majority opposes it, but because a minority of genetic freaks with a penchant for racism and blame-shifting are screaming really, really, REALLY loudly about it.
 
2014-07-11 03:49:31 PM  

ikanreed: quatchi: The American people may employ Congress but it's .01%ers like Adelson, Gates and Buffet et al who cut the cheques that ultimately get them elected.

Only adelson does that of those specific 3.


True. Sheldon Adelson, Foster Friesse and The Koch bros would have been better examples. I did use the "like" qualifier there.
 
2014-07-11 03:50:10 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Just the opinion of three farking guys.  That they are billionaires shouldn't matter.  Anyway, they say immigration reform will "lift the national spirit" and "stimulate the economy", but don't really outline how.  This isn't Tesla and Einstein emigrating to the states to expand the boundaries of human knowledge, it is masses of third worlders that will not add much to the tax base, but will likely occupy the bottom rung of society and be a net loss as they will be beneficiaries of social services at much higher rates than the population at large.

Additionally, it isn't like there is much in the way of employment for them.  For those already in same skill and education demographic - urban blacks for one - they represent direct competition for the few available low skilled jobs.  Unemployment among unskilled blacks is already sky high and this will make it even worse.

But yeah, other than putting more of a strain on an overextended social services system and sending black unemployment into the stratosphere, they will be a boon to the economy.


Dismissing "just the opinion of three guys" is fine, but you followed up with "just your opinion" Do you have any sources that agree with you? Because I have a few that disagree with your predictions.
 
2014-07-11 03:50:56 PM  
Not really surprised. Shelly bought and paid for a lot of those politicians to do his bidding, not cater to the whims of a bunch of fried dough chawing redneck hayseeds.
 
2014-07-11 03:52:37 PM  
I'm glad he's on board with the letter.  If influential people on both sides of the political spectrum are putting on pressure, then maybe Congress will take them seriously.
 
2014-07-11 03:54:42 PM  
What we need is a smaller government that spends less money and can keep 121 million people from crossing a border 1933 miles across.
 
2014-07-11 03:55:25 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Just the opinion of three farking guys.  That they are billionaires shouldn't matter.  Anyway, they say immigration reform will "lift the national spirit" and "stimulate the economy", but don't really outline how.  This isn't Tesla and Einstein emigrating to the states to expand the boundaries of human knowledge, it is masses of third worlders that will not add much to the tax base, but will likely occupy the bottom rung of society and be a net loss as they will be beneficiaries of social services at much higher rates than the population at large.

Additionally, it isn't like there is much in the way of employment for them.  For those already in same skill and education demographic - urban blacks for one - they represent direct competition for the few available low skilled jobs.  Unemployment among unskilled blacks is already sky high and this will make it even worse.

But yeah, other than putting more of a strain on an overextended social services system and sending black unemployment into the stratosphere, they will be a boon to the economy.


Depends on who's immigrating. Handing out green cards with foreign students' college diplomas should be a no-brainer.

As a programmer I love to biatch about H1B's, but I'd rather compete with Indians living in the US than Indians living in India.
 
2014-07-11 03:57:13 PM  

Holfax: What we need is a smaller government that spends less money and can keep 121 million people from crossing a border 1933 miles across.


So meaningful drug reform and support of a humanitarian Crisis in Mexico?
 
2014-07-11 04:01:01 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Which is bullsh*t. The immigration bill passed by the Senate would pass the House if Boehner let it come to a vote. But Obama isn't leading or something.



Boehner is pissed when Obama uses his discretion in the enforcement of laws but Boehner is okay with using his discretion in deciding which bills will be voted upon.  Obama should sue Boehner.
 
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