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(Grist)   Leading the fight against fracking are cowboys, hunters, and hippies oh my   (grist.org) divider line 34
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2014-07-12 02:12:30 AM  
You know the fossil fuel industry runs the country when they don't even pushback against the name "fracking."  If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery" or something, but at this point, with all of Washington in their pocket, they're just content to leave it be. Things seem to be working out just fine for them.
 
2014-07-12 03:26:02 AM  

nickdaisy: If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery"


www.nofrackingway.us
 
2014-07-12 03:44:24 AM  
Brokeback Mountain 2: The Fracking Plains
 
2014-07-12 03:46:45 AM  
Did you know that there is a Canadian patent to use spent nuclear waste in hydraulic fracturing?
 
2014-07-12 03:47:53 AM  
The Nuclear Assisted Hydrocarbon Production Method,[82] Canadian patent application 2,659,302, is a method for the temporary or permanent storage of nuclear waste materials comprising the placing of waste materials into one or more repositories or boreholes constructed into an unconventional oil formation. The thermal flux of the waste materials fracture the formation, alters the chemical and/or physical properties of hydrocarbon material within the subterranean formation to allow removal of the altered material. A mixture of hydrocarbons, hydrogen, and/or other formation fluids are produced from the formation. The radioactivity of high-level radioactive waste affords proliferation resistance to plutonium placed in the periphery of the repository or the deepest portion of a borehole.
 
2014-07-12 03:48:29 AM  

moeburn: Did you know that there is a Canadian patent to use spent nuclear waste in hydraulic fracturing?


planet3.org
 
2014-07-12 03:59:55 AM  
It's fun to stay at the YMCA-ah!
 
2014-07-12 04:12:49 AM  
C;mon man, get with it, it's not f*cking ban, it's a fracking ban!
 
2014-07-12 04:26:43 AM  
Cowboys and hippies always party together, the real question is are the Jews helping out?Well its forty below and I don't give give a farkGotta heater in my truck and it's off to the rodeoWell an alla man a left an Alla man a rightCome on ya farkin hippie get the right step rightGet off the stage ya god damned JewYa know/The baderest version
 
2014-07-12 04:38:53 AM  
Indians are fighting against it too. Turning out to be an interesting group...
 
2014-07-12 04:39:31 AM  

cuzsis: Indians are fighting against it too. Turning out to be an interesting group...


Gah, sorry. "Feather" Indians. Not sure about the others.
 
2014-07-12 05:05:40 AM  
Imagine, the people who actually use the top of the land are all banding together against the greedheads and corporate interests that want to wreck the underneath part. Who could have seen that coming?
 
2014-07-12 05:08:06 AM  
A trifecta of idiots.
 
2014-07-12 05:20:14 AM  
All I'll say is if you keep giving mother nature enemas eventually she's gonna notice and shiat all over your parade.
 
2014-07-12 06:12:56 AM  

Jesda: A trifecta of idiots.


The depressing thing about human history is how often the "idiots" turn out to be right.
 
2014-07-12 06:19:02 AM  

BumpInTheNight: All I'll say is if you keep giving mother nature enemas eventually she's gonna notice and shiat all over your parade.


Re-watching an interview with Morgan Freeman where he talks about the planet re-asserting itself. The Earth will survive. Whether humans are still around to see it is another question.
 
2014-07-12 06:34:48 AM  

moeburn: The Nuclear Assisted Hydrocarbon Production Method,[82] Canadian patent application 2,659,302, is a method for the temporary or permanent storage of nuclear waste materials comprising the placing of waste materials into one or more repositories or boreholes constructed into an unconventional oil formation. The thermal flux of the waste materials fracture the formation, alters the chemical and/or physical properties of hydrocarbon material within the subterranean formation to allow removal of the altered material. A mixture of hydrocarbons, hydrogen, and/or other formation fluids are produced from the formation. The radioactivity of high-level radioactive waste affords proliferation resistance to plutonium placed in the periphery of the repository or the deepest portion of a borehole.


K, I'm not a geologist, but that last part doesn't sound remotely plausible...
 
2014-07-12 07:15:52 AM  

Jesda: A trifecta of idiots.


I tell ya what, if there are two groups of people that know what will fark up the environment it's people who live off it....like, I dunno, cowboys and hunters
 
2014-07-12 07:28:29 AM  
In 2003, the Bush administration unexpectedly issued 81 mineral leases in the area covering approximately 105,000 acres.

Unexpectedly?  From Bush administration?

Reminds me of that story about the scorpion and the frog.  People are dupes.
 
2014-07-12 07:57:44 AM  
If they keep ruining all the water, the Chinese overlords wont buy vacation properties here to start off the great servant industry boom of 2050 after we're done ruining China.  And it wont matter how many Mexicans we have to keep the lawns perfect.  I don't think the oligarchy put a lot of cost benefits analysis time in on this.
 
2014-07-12 08:30:31 AM  

nickdaisy: You know the fossil fuel industry runs the country when they don't even pushback against the name "fracking."  If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery" or something, but at this point, with all of Washington in their pocket, they're just content to leave it be. Things seem to be working out just fine for them.


Or study after study shows modern fracking to be relatively safe and clean leaving only anti-science idiots to still decry how evil it is.
 
2014-07-12 09:13:20 AM  

cuzsis: cuzsis: Indians are fighting against it too. Turning out to be an interesting group...

Gah, sorry. "Feather" Indians. Not sure about the others.


That sounds racist. You should have said "Casino" Indians.
 
2014-07-12 09:18:28 AM  
Dear cowboys, hunters and hippies,

The 1% finds your lamentations amusing.  That will be the net effect of your efforts.

Signed,
Reality
 
2014-07-12 09:24:53 AM  

Cache: Dear cowboys, hunters and hippies,The 1% finds your lamentations amusing.  That will be the net effect of your efforts.
Signed,
Reality


Pretty much. It's a done deal. We will frack until there is nothing left to frack. It was all put in place years ago, and fark your drinking water or your "habitat" or your pretty little fish or your pretty little country town.
 
2014-07-12 09:26:33 AM  

cuzsis: Indians are fighting against it too. Turning out to be an interesting group...


State of the Re:Union did a podcast episode on ranchers and environmentalists teaming up for preservation of vast swaths of land in the southwestern US.
 
2014-07-12 09:36:30 AM  

cryinoutloud: Cache: Dear cowboys, hunters and hippies,The 1% finds your lamentations amusing.  That will be the net effect of your efforts.
Signed,
Reality

Pretty much. It's a done deal. We will frack until there is nothing left to frack. It was all put in place years ago, and fark your drinking water or your "habitat" or your pretty little fish or your pretty little country town.


That is what bothers me. Cheney gave them an exemption from the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act and Safe Water Act. That is farking absurd.
 
2014-07-12 10:00:32 AM  
Cowboys against fracking??

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/imag e/1387/19/1387196569054.jpg
 
2014-07-12 10:30:14 AM  

MyRandomName: nickdaisy: You know the fossil fuel industry runs the country when they don't even pushback against the name "fracking."  If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery" or something, but at this point, with all of Washington in their pocket, they're just content to leave it be. Things seem to be working out just fine for them.

Or study after study shows modern fracking to be relatively safe and clean leaving only anti-science idiots to still decry how evil it is.


Ok, I'll bite. Please produce links to the studies you are citing.
 
2014-07-12 10:58:56 AM  

MyRandomName: nickdaisy: You know the fossil fuel industry runs the country when they don't even pushback against the name "fracking."  If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery" or something, but at this point, with all of Washington in their pocket, they're just content to leave it be. Things seem to be working out just fine for them.

Or study after study shows modern fracking to be relatively safe and clean leaving only anti-science idiots to still decry how evil it is.


Additionally, if you are a part of the fossil fuel industry you refer to hydraulic fracture stimulation as 'frac'ing'; there is no 'k' in fracture. The 'k' was added by main stream media and enviro-bloggers.
 
2014-07-12 11:14:04 AM  

farkstorm: Additionally, if you are a part of the fossil fuel industry you refer to hydraulic fracture stimulation as 'frac'ing'; there is no 'k' in fracture. The 'k' was added by main stream media and enviro-bloggers.


Frac is King.

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2014-07-12 12:11:14 PM  

MyRandomName: nickdaisy: You know the fossil fuel industry runs the country when they don't even pushback against the name "fracking."  If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery" or something, but at this point, with all of Washington in their pocket, they're just content to leave it be. Things seem to be working out just fine for them.

Or study after study shows modern fracking to be relatively safe and clean leaving only anti-science idiots to still decry how evil it is.


Yeah, it's totally not evil ... except for the part where shoddy industry practices allow the fracking fluid to contaminate the local water supply, or how the fracking process releases excess methane into the ground water, leading to flammable tap water.

Yeah, totally not evil at all. It's just the product of the anti-science people's imaginations....
 
2014-07-12 12:17:48 PM  

MyRandomName: nickdaisy: You know the fossil fuel industry runs the country when they don't even pushback against the name "fracking."  If they were worried about public opinion they'd give it some innocuous name like "deep earth oil recovery" or something, but at this point, with all of Washington in their pocket, they're just content to leave it be. Things seem to be working out just fine for them.

Or study after study shows modern fracking to be relatively safe and clean leaving only anti-science idiots to still decry how evil it is.


Most of those studies were paid for by the very companies doing the fracking.

The other thing is, in theory, it is possible to do fracking in a manner that is safe and doesn't leave groundwater contaminated. The problem is, in practice, it is more expensive to do it properly. So naturally, the industry doesn't use the proper methods, because it isn't as profitable, and there are not sufficient regulations in place to force them into using safer methods.
 
2014-07-12 01:32:24 PM  

Loreweaver: The other thing is, in theory, it is possible to do fracking in a manner that is safe and doesn't leave groundwater contaminated.


I actually don't think there is a safe way. the very methods used to get the gas out of there are the same ones that will allow the chemicals to travel through the earth and get into groundwater. Oh sure--the gas deposits and chemicals are not close to the groundwater. Oh sure--the fracking water is extracted and scrupulously cleaned before it is released into local waterways. Oh sure.

And I"m not looking at hazy skies right now from forest fires thousands of miles away, either.
 
2014-07-12 08:36:47 PM  

cryinoutloud: Loreweaver: The other thing is, in theory, it is possible to do fracking in a manner that is safe and doesn't leave groundwater contaminated.

I actually don't think there is a safe way. the very methods used to get the gas out of there are the same ones that will allow the chemicals to travel through the earth and get into groundwater. Oh sure--the gas deposits and chemicals are not close to the groundwater. Oh sure--the fracking water is extracted and scrupulously cleaned before it is released into local waterways. Oh sure.

And I"m not looking at hazy skies right now from forest fires thousands of miles away, either.


Hence why I said "in theory".

In practice, businesses ill cut every corner and ignore every safety and sanity protocol they can legally get away with.
 
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