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(Guardian)   In latest use of headline that must be an F-key on most reporters' keyboards by now: "This surveillance bill puts our hard-won freedom in peril"   (theguardian.com) divider line 22
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2014-07-11 10:09:15 PM  
The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all
 
2014-07-11 11:19:36 PM  

dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all


Yeah, but they really threw their backs into it with the Magna Carta!  I mean, the king isn't an infallible instrument of God?  They're still rightfully paying for that one!
 
2014-07-11 11:36:20 PM  
surprised we got a thread on this and not one on CISA making it out of committee
 
2014-07-12 12:15:05 AM  

The Bestest: surprised we got a thread on this and not one on CISA making it out of committee


Because our hard won freedoms died with the Patriot Act.

/sorry The USA PATRIOT Act.
//everything else has been adjusting for new technologies.
 
2014-07-12 12:16:25 AM  
Subby can be as snotty as wants to be ... for now.
 
2014-07-12 12:17:16 AM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-07-12 12:27:36 AM  

whither_apophis: The Bestest: surprised we got a thread on this and not one on CISA making it out of committee

Because our hard won freedoms died with the Patriot Act.

/sorry The USA PATRIOT Act.
//everything else has been adjusting for new technologies.


You're off by at least a few decades, there. The PATRIOT act was adjusting for new technologies; the NSA has been collecting data on American citizens for much longer. The internet just put more of that data out there for them to collect.
 
2014-07-12 01:09:47 AM  
Yeah, you brits aren't really that free. But fark, we're almost as owned as you are.
 
2014-07-12 01:39:09 AM  
I'M SO WORRIED ABOUT HOW BRITAIN'S LOSS OF PRIVACY AFFECTS AMERICA OMG!!!
 
2014-07-12 02:12:29 AM  
dat paragraph

www.vodkacranberryclooney.com
 
2014-07-12 03:40:57 AM  
FTFAIt took centuries of struggle for our nation to acquire the attributes of a civilized and just society. But they can vanish in a moment if our elected representatives fail to defend those rights in parliament.

I'm no fan of the "all you datum belong to us" surveillance state but I think he may be overselling it a wee mite there.
 
2014-07-12 04:57:43 AM  

quatchi: FTFA:  It took centuries of struggle for our nation to acquire the attributes of a civilized and just society. But they can vanish in a moment if our elected representatives fail to defend those rights in parliament.

I'm no fan of the "all you datum belong to us" surveillance state but I think he may be overselling it a wee mite there.


Okay, take the surveillance state.

Now add to that: ASBO's and their so-called replacement, IPNA's.

Now let that sort of roll to a natural conclusion. Yeah...it gets crappy quickly, if there isn't some sound leadership. The author's worry is prudent, but good leaders can avoid disaster like they did earlier this year. You'd think England could rely on the courts, but the courts love ASBO's and IPNA's, at least for the time being, so the courts are an unlikely beacon of hope until the next generation of judges and lawyers can make some changes.
 
2014-07-12 06:59:22 AM  
Yeah, right, man, there are a lot of facets to this, a lot of injured parties.  I like the way you do business, man.  Your freedom is being held by a kid named Larry Sellars.  He lives in North Hollywood on Radford, by the In-N-Out Burger.  F*ckin' brat, but I'm sure your goons can get it off of him.

All the Dude ever wanted was his freedom back. It really tied the room together.
 
2014-07-12 07:43:26 AM  

dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all


upload.wikimedia.org
What's going on in this thread?
 
2014-07-12 07:45:38 AM  

eiger: dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1032]
What's going on in this thread?


www.nobelprize.org

I'm not sure sure Ollie, but It appears some Americans don't know that people in other countries have also fought for their freedoms.
 
2014-07-12 07:48:17 AM  

eiger: eiger: dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1032]
What's going on in this thread?

[www.nobelprize.org image 162x227]

I'm not sure sure Ollie, but It appears some Americans don't know that people in other countries have also fought for their freedoms.


upload.wikimedia.org
Huh, Americans can be so provincial.

/The Chartist Movement for those who don't know English history
 
2014-07-12 07:53:10 AM  

eiger: eiger: eiger: dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1032]
What's going on in this thread?

[www.nobelprize.org image 162x227]

I'm not sure sure Ollie, but It appears some Americans don't know that people in other countries have also fought for their freedoms.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x569]
Huh, Americans can be so provincial.

/The Chartist Movement for those who don't know English history


upload.wikimedia.org

Odd. You'd think a people who so venerate their Bill of Rights, a document they largely copied from the one forced on me one hundred years before, would know a bit more about the history of our struggle for freedom.
 
2014-07-12 07:54:14 AM  

eiger: eiger: eiger: eiger: dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1032]
What's going on in this thread?

[www.nobelprize.org image 162x227]

I'm not sure sure Ollie, but It appears some Americans don't know that people in other countries have also fought for their freedoms.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x569]
Huh, Americans can be so provincial.

/The Chartist Movement for those who don't know English history

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x400]

Odd. You'd think a people who so venerate their Bill of Rights, a document they largely copied from the one forced on me one hundred years before, would know a bit more about the history of our struggle for freedom.


upload.wikimedia.org

Oh well. Sometimes, from the way they act, you'd think they invented the very idea of liberty and freedom.
 
2014-07-12 08:06:04 AM  

eiger: eiger: eiger: eiger: eiger: dookdookdook: The Guardian

Your "hard-won" freedom? Emperor Honorius voluntarily gave Britain its freedom in 409 AD when Rome couldn't be bothered to defend it anymore.

/please forgive my no-doubt extreme ignorance on world history, I am American after all

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1032]
What's going on in this thread?

[www.nobelprize.org image 162x227]

I'm not sure sure Ollie, but It appears some Americans don't know that people in other countries have also fought for their freedoms.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x569]
Huh, Americans can be so provincial.

/The Chartist Movement for those who don't know English history

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x400]

Odd. You'd think a people who so venerate their Bill of Rights, a document they largely copied from the one forced on me one hundred years before, would know a bit more about the history of our struggle for freedom.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 614x792]

Oh well. Sometimes, from the way they act, you'd think they invented the very idea of liberty and freedom.


None of those are a crying Bald Eagle (tm) so its not REAL freedom, you commies.
 
2014-07-12 08:14:43 AM  
How can you take it back? Once we have allowed such access to our lives (has anyone been on Facebook?), how can one say: "You can look at this, but just skip over that"?
 
2014-07-12 09:35:26 AM  
To our British friends on fark...on behalf of the US I would like to apologise for al Qaeda, and by extension Boko Harem and ISIS.
 
2014-07-12 10:47:13 AM  
Well maybe if you told that Snowden bloke to go return all the secrets he took from the NSA where he found them and we wouldn't have this problem, Guardian.
 
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