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(Boing Boing)   Drought now covers more than 35 percent of the United States as global warming continues not to happen   (boingboing.net) divider line 72
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2014-07-11 11:07:36 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com
 
2014-07-11 11:23:50 AM  
In the primordial Earth, there was NO water at all and there weren't even humans.  chessmate, climate alarmists.
 
2014-07-11 11:26:20 AM  
All we're missing is one idiot out burning garbage.
 
2014-07-11 01:17:34 PM  
It would have been nice to have some sort of historical perspective along with the current data.
 
2014-07-11 01:49:17 PM  

ginandbacon: It would have been nice to have some sort of historical perspective along with the current data.


A large breasted weather chick would have also been nice.
 
2014-07-11 01:49:30 PM  
So do we get to deny global warming again when it snows too much or too little in the winter?
 
2014-07-11 01:51:57 PM  
Well duh. All that water is locked up in record ice cover.

You can't have it both ways.
 
2014-07-11 01:52:29 PM  
Nothing to see here, move along.  Drink more Ovaltine, buy a bigger SUV.
 
2014-07-11 01:54:29 PM  

Loucifer: ginandbacon: It would have been nice to have some sort of historical perspective along with the current data.

A large breasted weather chick would have also been nice.


I would have preferred a handsome weather dude myself.
 
2014-07-11 01:55:10 PM  
This lawn (Sacramento) was lush and green when we moved here 10 months ago, and the landlord is only allowed to water the trees once a week before 10AM. Haven't had any substantial rain since February or March, I think.

img.fark.net

The desert is getting more action than we are.
 
2014-07-11 01:58:37 PM  
For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.
 
2014-07-11 02:01:23 PM  
1)  Millions move away from "Rust Belt" cities in the Great Lakes region, where fresh water is, and likely will always be, plentiful, and where summer temperatures are moderate.
2)  They all move to places like Texas, Arizona, and Southern California.  Places that largely consist of desert climates.
3)  They all complain about heat and drought and wildfires.
4)  *Facepalm*
 
2014-07-11 02:07:36 PM  

make me some tea: This lawn (Sacramento) was lush and green when we moved here 10 months ago, and the landlord is only allowed to water the trees once a week before 10AM. Haven't had any substantial rain since February or March, I think.

[img.fark.net image 850x637]

The desert is getting more action than we are.


I live near lake Texoma on the Texas side. I have turned on the sprinklers twice this season. Strange how weather patterns change. From the charts in TFA I'm in a drought zone.  Go figgure.
 
2014-07-11 02:08:46 PM  
I thought the west coast droughts were caused by Criss Farley in an overly revealing costume.
 
2014-07-11 02:10:46 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.


Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this.  Everyone enjoys acting like they know better than a skeptic or a denier, and then you don't even understand how weather works.
 
2014-07-11 02:14:40 PM  

Doc Daneeka: 1)  Millions move away from "Rust Belt" cities in the Great Lakes region, where fresh water is, and likely will always be, plentiful, and where summer temperatures are moderate.
2)  They all move to places like Texas, Arizona, and Southern California.  Places that largely consist of desert climates.
3)  They all complain about heat and drought and wildfires.
4)  *Facepalm*


Cannot agree with this enough. And for those of us born in either of our states, it get's old listening to those complain of the heat and lack of rain. For us, it is just another year. I am in Arizona, and yeah we get a tad less rain than we usually do the past 5 years or so, but is not unusual. When you are in a city that gets 310+ days of sun and less than 9 inches of rainfall annually, what the hell do you expect? Last year was maybe 6 inches, and to date we are about 1.5 inches total for the year. Winter last year was bone dry and probably will be this year.

Don't like the dryness and heat? Move back to where you came from!
 
2014-07-11 02:15:06 PM  

Doc Daneeka: 1)  Millions move away from "Rust Belt" cities in the Great Lakes region, where fresh water is, and likely will always be, plentiful, and where summer temperatures are moderate.
2)  They all move to places like Texas, Arizona, and Southern California.  Places that largely consist of desert climates.
3)  They all complain about heat and drought and wildfires.
4)  *Facepalm*


www.findadeath.com
 
2014-07-11 02:15:36 PM  

Oysterman: To The Escape Zeppelin!: For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.

Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this.  Everyone enjoys acting like they know better than a skeptic or a denier, and then you don't even understand how weather works.


Persistent drought in some areas are outcomes of AGW in a lot of GCMs.
 
2014-07-11 02:17:21 PM  

Doc Daneeka: 1)  Millions move away from "Rust Belt" cities in the Great Lakes region, where fresh water is, and likely will always be, plentiful, and where summer temperatures are moderate.
2)  They all move to places like Texas, Arizona, and Southern California.  Places that largely consist of desert climates.
3)  They all complain about heat and drought and wildfires.
4)  *Facepalm*


Stop it, stop making sense right now.  Next thing you know, you'll be ridiculing people who move to flood zones and complain about flooding, and people who live in wildfire areas and complain about fires.
 
2014-07-11 02:20:02 PM  

yakmans_dad: Oysterman: To The Escape Zeppelin!: For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.

Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this.  Everyone enjoys acting like they know better than a skeptic or a denier, and then you don't even understand how weather works.

Persistent drought in some areas are outcomes of AGW in a lot of GCMs.


Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer.  Are they rationing water yet?
 
2014-07-11 02:21:40 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.


One specific drought may not be evidence of climate change, but drought is certainly a predicted result of it.

"A warmer climate, with its increased climate variability, will increase the risk of both floods and droughts (Wetherald and Manabe, 2002; Table SPM2 in IPCC, 2007).
...
A robust result, consistent across climate model projections, is that higher precipitation extremes in warmer climates are very likely to occur.  Precipitation intensity increases almost everywhere, but particularly at mid- and high latitudes where mean precipitation also increases (Meehl et al., 2005, WGI AR4, Chapter 10, Section 10.3.6.1). This directly affects the risk of flash flooding and urban flooding. Storm drainage systems have to be adapted to accommodate increasing rainfall intensity resulting from climate change (Waters et al., 2003). An increase of droughts over low latitudes and mid-latitude continental interiors in summer is likely (WGI AR4, Summary for Policymakers, Table SPM.2), but sensitive to model land-surface formulation. Projections for the 2090s made by Burke et al. (2006), using the HadCM3 GCM and the SRES A2 scenario, show regions of strong wetting and drying with a net overall global drying trend. For example, the proportion of the land surface in extreme drought, globally, is predicted to increase by the a factor of 10 to 30; from 1-3 % for the present day to 30% by the 2090s. The number of extreme drought events per 100 years and mean drought duration are likely to increase by factors of two and six, respectively, by the 2090s (Burke et al., 2006). A decrease in summer precipitation in southern Europe, accompanied by rising temperatures, which enhance evaporative demand, would inevitably lead to reduced summer soil moisture (Douville et al., 2002) and more frequent and more intense droughts.

As temperatures rise, the likelihood of precipitation falling as rain rather than snow increases, especially in areas with temperatures near to 0°C in autumn and spring (WGI AR4, Summary for Policymakers). Snowmelt is projected to be earlier and less abundant in the melt period, and this may lead to an increased risk of droughts in snowmelt-fed basins in summer and autumn, when demand is highest (Barnett et al., 2005)."

Source
 
2014-07-11 02:24:35 PM  

SlothB77: [www.washingtonpost.com image 500x297]


i.imgur.com
Well, there's your problem.
 
2014-07-11 02:25:26 PM  
See, but the increase in droughts is only measurable and statistically significant.  It's not on/off like a light switch.

Thus the idiots will argue that they happened before and will happen again, without the context of even remotely applying a bit of mathematics.


Oysterman: Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer. Are they rationing water yet?


Oh, here's one.  Look at how stupid you are, Oysterman, and not correct your behavior in the slightest.
 
2014-07-11 02:26:27 PM  

Oysterman: Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this. Everyone enjoys acting like they know better than a skeptic or a denier, and then you don't even understand how weather works.


Yes I do.  Sorry you never took any meteorology classes, but that ain't my problem.
 
2014-07-11 02:31:30 PM  

Doc Daneeka: 1)  Millions move away from "Rust Belt" cities in the Great Lakes region, where fresh water is, and likely will always be, plentiful, and where summer temperatures are moderate.
2)  They all move to places like Texas, Arizona, and Southern California.  Places that largely consist of desert climates.
3)  They all complain about heat and drought and wildfires.
4)  *Facepalm*


I would hardly call the summer weather in the Great Lakes region "moderate." More like "Humid as fark."

//current temp is 65 here in desert California
 
2014-07-11 02:34:09 PM  

Doc Daneeka: 1)  Millions move away from "Rust Belt" cities in the Great Lakes region, where fresh water is, and likely will always be, plentiful, and where summer temperatures are moderate.
2)  They all move to places like Texas, Arizona, and Southern California.  Places that largely consist of desert climates.
3)  They all complain about heat and drought and wildfires.
4)  *Facepalm*


Shouldn't there be a point about increased water consumption draining water levels/reserves in there as well?
 
2014-07-11 02:36:13 PM  

Oysterman: Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this.


What people, Farkers?

Good. You probably shouldn't. You should probably trust the educated professionals with specialized technology, advanced computer programs and massive amounts of data who are publishing voluminous tomes on the topic full of their observations, test results and methodologies.

Or I guess you could just keep sitting there like a lump pretending the words "yea, but" are sufficient to refute all their work.
 
2014-07-11 02:44:41 PM  

ikanreed: See, but the increase in droughts is only measurable and statistically significant.  It's not on/off like a light switch.

Thus the idiots will argue that they happened before and will happen again, without the context of even remotely applying a bit of mathematics.


Oysterman: Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer. Are they rationing water yet?

Oh, here's one.  Look at how stupid you are, Oysterman, and not correct your behavior in the slightest.


http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/MapsAndData/DataTables.aspx

So quick to anger and name call.  "Increase".
 
2014-07-11 02:45:46 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-11 02:46:29 PM  
Although what's going to really exacerbate drought is not just the change in precipitation, but that coupled with the change in temperature, and the soil drying feedback.
 
2014-07-11 02:47:39 PM  
References here and here.
 
2014-07-11 02:51:55 PM  
drought in cali and texas, nothing of value was lost
 
2014-07-11 03:15:37 PM  

Oysterman: To The Escape Zeppelin!: For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.

Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this.  Everyone enjoys acting like they know better than a skeptic or a denier, and then you don't even understand how weather works.


I would have this problem in evolution "debates" online. There were a lot of times that I'd wind up switching sides mid-argument and going to bat for the creationists because some idiot on "my side" was talking out of his ass and managed to understand even less about how evolution works than some of the creationists.

It's like ok, yes, you have the right conclusion but you have absolutely no idea how you got there. Believing in the right thing for the wrong reasons (or without even understanding what that thing is) isn't much better than just being wrong.
 
2014-07-11 03:21:46 PM  

Autarky: drought in cali and texas, nothing of value was lost


2 states that provide 22% of the total US gdp.
Yep, nothing of value indeed.
 
2014-07-11 03:26:03 PM  
Indiana has been positivity idyllic.  Mild and wet . . .which was the case the last time Texas was in drought. . .or rather started this drought several years ago.
 
2014-07-11 03:30:24 PM  

but whole: //current temp is 65 here in desert California


High desert?  Its been 80s-90s pretty much non stop for the last 3 weeks in coastal OC.
 
2014-07-11 03:31:38 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Autarky: drought in cali and texas, nothing of value was lost

2 states that provide 22% of the total US gdp.
Yep, nothing of value indeed.


And California provides something like 50% of the nation's fruits and vegetables.  And I'm sure Texas is no slouch on the agricultural front as well.
 
2014-07-11 03:38:37 PM  
droughts happen on a regular basis in Calif, does not prove global warming;
anyway it's now call3ed, correctly, climate change
 
2014-07-11 03:43:44 PM  
Meanwhile, Tallahassee has been getting lots of rain. The problem is, it's either all at once or none at all, and gradually lessening; sounds awfully like a desert pattern.
 
2014-07-11 03:50:46 PM  

Oysterman: yakmans_dad: Oysterman: To The Escape Zeppelin!: For the 8 millionth time, weather is not climate. Global warming is real but to argue that "bad weather=global warming" just plays into the hands of climate change deniers. Drought is no more evidence of climate change than that freak snowstorm is evidence that there isn't climate change.

Can confirm this is why I don't trust a lot of the people talking about this.  Everyone enjoys acting like they know better than a skeptic or a denier, and then you don't even understand how weather works.

Persistent drought in some areas are outcomes of AGW in a lot of GCMs.

Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer.  Are they rationing water yet?


"Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer"

Wow. You don't even have a clue of what a drought is.
 
2014-07-11 04:19:38 PM  

Krieghund: Oysterman: yakmans_dad:

Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer.  Are they rationing water yet?

"Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer"

Wow. You don't even have a clue of what a drought is.


...In hindsight, yeah.  That one was me being a dumbass.  Sorry.
 
2014-07-11 04:26:07 PM  
Its been a pretty mild summer here in the DC area. I dont mind it one bit and I have to keep mowing my lawn from the rain we've been getting.
 
2014-07-11 04:45:13 PM  
There is not, and never will be, a shortage of water, even during the worst drought.

There maybe be a shortage of  cheap water, but there will never be an absolute shortage of water.

That is, desalinization plants are a thing.
 
2014-07-11 04:46:29 PM  

Oysterman: ikanreed: See, but the increase in droughts is only measurable and statistically significant.  It's not on/off like a light switch.

Thus the idiots will argue that they happened before and will happen again, without the context of even remotely applying a bit of mathematics.


Oysterman: Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer. Are they rationing water yet?

Oh, here's one.  Look at how stupid you are, Oysterman, and not correct your behavior in the slightest.

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/MapsAndData/DataTables.aspx

So quick to anger and name call.  "Increase"



Hey look, oysterman demonstrates exactly the failing I claimed.  In exactly the manner I claimed

You're farking stupid.

Look at the data you linked charted in excel.  Since it takes no effort to do this.
i.imgur.com

Look at that obvious farking trend.

Look at your own stupidity, and biatch some more about name calling.
 
2014-07-11 04:49:05 PM  

Geotpf: There is not, and never will be, a shortage of water, even during the worst drought.

There maybe be a shortage of  cheap water, but there will never be an absolute shortage of water.

That is, desalinization plants are a thing.


You understand that the vast majority of the US's freshwater goes to farms, right?

And that when there's a shortage, it means plants don't grow.

Now we have the foresight to structure our economy with price supports so excess is food in non-drought years, and reliable quantities are grown in drought years.

But if the trends in question continue, that won't be enough anymore.
 
2014-07-11 04:53:13 PM  
Now, some mod is going to ban me for name calling again, but you gotta give me some lenience here for the fact that this is indelible stupidity that needs to face how just how stupid what they are saying is, and shape up.

I get that stupid people are entitled to both their opinions and a life free of harassment, but it's really important that people understand that being this kind of denier is really equivalent to unforgivable ignorance and lack of basic understanding.  They mistake their obstinance for principle, and their ignorance for argument.  They need to understand that they're just failing at grasping basic points.
 
2014-07-11 05:17:45 PM  

ikanreed: Oysterman: ikanreed: See, but the increase in droughts is only measurable and statistically significant.  It's not on/off like a light switch.

Thus the idiots will argue that they happened before and will happen again, without the context of even remotely applying a bit of mathematics.


Oysterman: Persistent drought can also be an outcome of Summer. Are they rationing water yet?

Oh, here's one.  Look at how stupid you are, Oysterman, and not correct your behavior in the slightest.

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/MapsAndData/DataTables.aspx

So quick to anger and name call.  "Increase"


Hey look, oysterman demonstrates exactly the failing I claimed.  In exactly the manner I claimed

You're farking stupid.

Look at the data you linked charted in excel.  Since it takes no effort to do this.
[i.imgur.com image 482x295]

Look at that obvious farking trend.

Look at your own stupidity, and biatch some more about name calling.


i.imgur.com

Fixed.  Looking.  You'll win me over eventually if you keep insulting every step of the way.
 
2014-07-11 05:19:13 PM  
I would much prefer if the country were covered in draught

www.activebeergeek.com

But ok.
 
2014-07-11 05:26:41 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-11 05:28:32 PM  
Regional perspective: www1.ncdc.noaa.gov
 
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