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2014-07-11 12:00:08 AM  
Apple never "invents" anything, they just package it in a shiny casing and use their 11-figure marketing budget to convince people they need it.
 
2014-07-11 12:13:24 AM  
Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?
 
2014-07-11 06:57:45 AM  

Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?


Not any more, but I'm pretty sure we used to,  when Apple phones were better than everything else.

Seriously, I'm so invested in this Apple microcosm it's the only reason I don't switch already.  The lack of any inter-app file system is just driving me nuts.  Can't buy music online outside iTunes?  wtf is that in this day and age?  I'll be happy enough if Apple manage to steal the best features of today's Android, nevermind them 'innovating' any longer.
 
2014-07-11 07:32:02 AM  

lindseyp: Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?

Not any more, but I'm pretty sure we used to,  when Apple phones were better than everything else.

Seriously, I'm so invested in this Apple microcosm it's the only reason I don't switch already.  The lack of any inter-app file system is just driving me nuts.  Can't buy music online outside iTunes?  wtf is that in this day and age?  I'll be happy enough if Apple manage to steal the best features of today's Android, nevermind them 'innovating' any longer.


So...why....I don't even...?

Buy Android!
 
2014-07-11 08:04:18 AM  
There is a sayig i heard when i was a kid that first is the worst and second is the best

I think that is obvious here because the best is apple and steve jibs

History does not not care if you are the first to do something especialy if you are the a$$holes who bombed pearl harbor

That is why i will never spend a doller of my money on samsung

They want to be your friend but in realty they just want your money

Posted from my iPhone
 
2014-07-11 08:10:17 AM  
My Galaxy-S 4G has haptic feedback. It's pretty neat. I've had it for 2 years.
 
2014-07-11 08:10:58 AM  

Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?


No, those threads pop up all the time.

But hold on to that John Hughes vision of phone ownership.
 
2014-07-11 08:13:53 AM  

lindseyp: Can't buy music online outside iTunes?  wtf is that in this day and age?


Perhaps the reason why iPhone users can't buy music online outside of iTunes is because they haven't looked. It's not only possible, but quite easy. My wife does it all the time with her iPhone (and her ancient iPod, too).
 
2014-07-11 08:14:28 AM  

Mike_LowELL: There is a sayig i heard when i was a kid that first is the worst and second is the best

I think that is obvious here because the best is apple and steve jibs

History does not not care if you are the first to do something especialy if you are the a$$holes who bombed pearl harbor

That is why i will never spend a doller of my money on samsung

They want to be your friend but in realty they just want your money

Posted from my iPhone


Yep, that's iPhone autocorrect
 
2014-07-11 08:20:40 AM  
I wish everyone could just agree on which is best. I am tired of having options.
 
2014-07-11 08:22:37 AM  

Mike_LowELL: There is a sayig i heard when i was a kid that first is the worst and second is the best


Is third still a turd with the hairy chest?
 
2014-07-11 08:23:25 AM  

Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?


Ever notice how the anti-Apple users start these threads with butthurt about the phones they use?
 
2014-07-11 08:25:53 AM  

Robo Beat: Mike_LowELL: There is a sayig i heard when i was a kid that first is the worst and second is the best

Is third still a turd with the hairy chest?


Not for nothin', I'll just remind everyone that Go-Bots came before Transformers.
 
2014-07-11 08:29:50 AM  

dookdookdook: Apple never "invents" anything, they just package it in a shiny casing and use their 11-figure marketing budget to convince people they need it.


Actually, Samsung stole a lot of Apple's technology shamelessly.

But in this case, Apple is poaching.

/got a Galaxy S4
//may switch back with iPhone Air
 
2014-07-11 08:31:34 AM  

dookdookdook: Apple never "invents" anything, they just package it in a shiny casing and use their 11-figure marketing budget to convince people they need it.


When was the last time anybody 'invented' anything?
 
2014-07-11 08:32:14 AM  
Or you could, you know, get a windows phone.

\love mine
 
2014-07-11 08:37:17 AM  

mainstreet62: dookdookdook: Apple never "invents" anything, they just package it in a shiny casing and use their 11-figure marketing budget to convince people they need it.

Actually, Samsung stole a lot of Apple's technology shamelessly.

But in this case, Apple is poaching.

/got a Galaxy S4
//may switch back with iPhone Air


Well, if Android really had it back in 2008, it hardly qualifies as "poaching" at this point. You can't expect other brands to never have a feature once it comes out on one.
 
2014-07-11 08:37:44 AM  

Spaced Lion: My Galaxy-S 4G has haptic feedback. It's pretty neat. I've had it for 2 years.


Other phones have had haptic feedback for even longer than that. It's a feature that's been out there for many years.

I remember when Apple added the pull-down task menu to ios, one of my coworkers with an iPhone showed it to me. She was all smug, "Let's see your android phone do THAT." So I pulled out my Android phone and showed her, and let her know Android phones had been doing that for a few years already.
 
2014-07-11 08:38:35 AM  

Orgasmatron138: Robo Beat: Mike_LowELL: There is a sayig i heard when i was a kid that first is the worst and second is the best

Is third still a turd with the hairy chest?

Not for nothin', I'll just remind everyone that Go-Bots came before Transformers.


Hydrox predates the Oreo
 
2014-07-11 08:38:56 AM  

GameSprocket: You can't expect other brands to never have a feature once it comes out on one.


Oh yeah? Where's Apple's removable battery and memory card? ;-)
 
2014-07-11 08:38:56 AM  

Galius_Persnickety: dookdookdook: Apple never "invents" anything, they just package it in a shiny casing and use their 11-figure marketing budget to convince people they need it.

When was the last time anybody 'invented' anything?


multi-national corporations? never, they just buy the guys that innovated on an invention by some dude halfway across the world, or they buy a product directly from another multi-national corporation

basically you have to look at smartphone manufacturers as a bunch of inbreeders bragging about who got whom pregnant first
 
2014-07-11 08:40:13 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Or you could, you know, get a windows phone.

\love mine


You be quiet, Bill Gates. The only people buying Windows phones are the same three people who bought zunes.
 
2014-07-11 08:40:20 AM  
I'm just glad Apple is finally diving into 2008 and giving us a decent keyboard.
 
2014-07-11 08:45:29 AM  

mongbiohazard: ShadowLAnCeR: Or you could, you know, get a windows phone.

\love mine

You be quiet, Bill Gates. The only people buying Windows phones are the same three people who bought zunes.


I have both a Zune and Windows Phone and they're both excellent, but they've completely farked over the Music Store recently. Technically it's still in beta and they're going to re-add most of the features they took out eventually, but it honestly feels like the almost don't want to succeed sometimes.
 
2014-07-11 08:49:59 AM  

Crudbucket: mongbiohazard: ShadowLAnCeR: Or you could, you know, get a windows phone.

\love mine

You be quiet, Bill Gates. The only people buying Windows phones are the same three people who bought zunes.

I have both a Zune and Windows Phone and they're both excellent, but they've completely farked over the Music Store recently. Technically it's still in beta and they're going to re-add most of the features they took out eventually, but it honestly feels like the almost don't want to succeed sometimes.


Now we just need to hear from the other two. :)
 
2014-07-11 08:53:58 AM  

mongbiohazard: The only people buying Windows phones are the same three people who bought zunes.


A new version of the 1020 with the 41 MP camera and an evolved app selection could help windows phone stick.

At least Nokia is getting some unique hardware going; I can't comprehend anything good about being in Jobs' walled garden.
 
2014-07-11 08:56:07 AM  

mainstreet62: GameSprocket: You can't expect other brands to never have a feature once it comes out on one.

Oh yeah? Where's Apple's removable battery and memory card? ;-)


Well, you are NEVER going to get the memory card now that Apple has bought into the whole "cloud" thing. They have pretty much made it policy that you don't need as much on-board storage because you can just stream everything. Doesn't work all that well in the woods of Northern Wisconsin. Luckily, we have booze and cards to entertain us.
 
2014-07-11 08:56:33 AM  

Crudbucket: mongbiohazard: ShadowLAnCeR: Or you could, you know, get a windows phone.

\love mine

You be quiet, Bill Gates. The only people buying Windows phones are the same three people who bought zunes.

I have both a Zune and Windows Phone and they're both excellent, but they've completely farked over the Music Store recently. Technically it's still in beta and they're going to re-add most of the features they took out eventually, but it honestly feels like the almost don't want to succeed sometimes.


I've got a Windows Phone. A red Lumia 920. I love it.

Never had a Zune tho.
 
db2
2014-07-11 08:57:15 AM  
Apple users: "I love my phone."
Android users: "I hate your phone."
 
2014-07-11 09:09:06 AM  

lindseyp: Not any more, but I'm pretty sure we used to, when Apple phones were better than everything else.


So...this morning?
 
2014-07-11 09:13:44 AM  

JosephFinn: lindseyp: Not any more, but I'm pretty sure we used to, when Apple phones were better than everything else.

So...this morning?


There was a time when you could get the new iPhone and know that you had what was objectively the best phone that could be acquired at any price. Now, you can feel that you have what is subjectively the best phone for you.

This is a good thing.
 
2014-07-11 09:14:07 AM  

mongbiohazard: Crudbucket: mongbiohazard: ShadowLAnCeR: Or you could, you know, get a windows phone.

\love mine

You be quiet, Bill Gates. The only people buying Windows phones are the same three people who bought zunes.

I have both a Zune and Windows Phone and they're both excellent, but they've completely farked over the Music Store recently. Technically it's still in beta and they're going to re-add most of the features they took out eventually, but it honestly feels like the almost don't want to succeed sometimes.

Now we just need to hear from the other two. :)


I had a Zune and a Zune HD. The HD was the bees farking knees, one of the best interfaces I've seen on a device.  Anything that looks good on Windows Phone probably came from that team (they were poached for that purpose at some point).  However, the Zune PC software was poorly supported and the subscription music was poorly handled (license lockouts because they changed the name), not to mention missing an opportunity to port the hell out of the service to other devices.
 
2014-07-11 09:15:21 AM  
Isn't there something on the iphone that already has haptic feedback?  I know I've used something that had it, I can't remember what it was, and I've never used an Android phone so it can't be that.
 
2014-07-11 09:15:31 AM  
Who cares who had it first?

Very few features are ever 'invented'. They come from some other product that had either the exact same feature or something close enough that someone said "hey, that would be cool on our product." I'm pretty sure the Nintendo64 controllers had an add-on that gave you haptic feedback in games way back in 1997. Samsung was just the first to take the idea and put it in a phone. Good for them.

I'm happy Apple/Samsung/HTC/Nokia keep taking each others' ideas. It makes for awesome new phones every couple years. If they all stuck to stuff they "invented" we'd all have to settle for the device that does the closest to what we want instead of now having basically identical phones with different packaging and minor vendor specific features.
 
2014-07-11 09:15:48 AM  

Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?


Nope, because I live in reality.
 
2014-07-11 09:25:49 AM  

mjbok: Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?

Nope, because I live in reality.


"Reality"
 
2014-07-11 09:33:43 AM  
If you have a Samsung phone and are happy with it, great. I like my iPhone. Stop worrying about what other people like.
 
2014-07-11 09:36:45 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: lindseyp: Can't buy music online outside iTunes?  wtf is that in this day and age?

Perhaps the reason why iPhone users can't buy music online outside of iTunes is because they haven't looked. It's not only possible, but quite easy. My wife does it all the time with her iPhone (and her ancient iPod, too).


The Amazon MP3 app from iTunes won't let you purchase music from the app like the Android version does. You have to use a computer/browser to buy songs, and THEN you can play them from the app.

My music is all on Amazon, and that was the breaking point. Sent my 5S back after two months.

/Apple is simple and pigeonholey, too much so
 
2014-07-11 09:44:40 AM  
pocketnow.com

After using my wife's iphone, I'll never buy a phone that is missing this button.
 
2014-07-11 09:55:40 AM  
Good lord, are we still having this argument?  Just buy what you farking like and go on.  Nobody cares... all 3 major OS are good.
 
2014-07-11 09:58:18 AM  

Mike_LowELL: History does not not care if you are the first to do something especialy if you are the a$$holes who bombed pearl harbor


South Korea bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
2014-07-11 09:59:33 AM  
This is the greatest phone ever made you are all WRONG!

thisdayintechhistory.com

Sent from My Compaq Pentium
 
2014-07-11 10:05:18 AM  

TravelingFreakshow: The Amazon MP3 app from iTunes won't let you purchase music from the app like the Android version does. You have to use a computer/browser to buy songs, and THEN you can play them from the app.


Yep, I assumed someone was going to point that out. lindseyp stated that you're restricted to iTunes for buying music online, which isn't true.  You're restricted if you want to buy online using your phone, but that restriction doesn't apply to buying music online in general.

The Amazon downloader on the PC even does the work of importing your purchases into iTunes.
 
2014-07-11 10:06:14 AM  
Do people actually give a shiat about haptic feedback?  I mean I guess it's nice to have but I don't really see it as an added value feature.
 
2014-07-11 10:12:55 AM  

debug: Do people actually give a shiat about haptic feedback?  I mean I guess it's nice to have but I don't really see it as an added value feature.


if it were an option on my phone, i would find a way to turn it off.

/ but, then again, i turn off most features on phones.  or on computers.  on pretty much everything.  i prefer my electronics spartan.  efficient.  crystalline.  perfect.  like a diamond bullet, straight to the forehead.
// they are but dilettantes in the art of phone.  if i had 10 divisions of nokia phones, our troubles here would be over.
/// the haptic... the haptic...
 
2014-07-11 10:18:50 AM  

mainstreet62: GameSprocket: You can't expect other brands to never have a feature once it comes out on one.

Oh yeah? Where's Apple's removable battery and memory card? ;-)


Why would Apple (or Google for that matter) put shiatty features from dumb phones from the 90s into a smart phone built for today? ;-)
 
2014-07-11 10:19:02 AM  

Mike_LowELL: There is a sayig i heard when i was a kid that first is the worst and second is the best

I think that is obvious here because the best is apple and steve jibs

History does not not care if you are the first to do something especialy if you are the a$$holes who bombed pearl harbor

That is why i will never spend a doller of my money on samsung

They want to be your friend but in realty they just want your money

Posted from my iPhone


you'd rather give it to documented slave labor using apple/china instead? noted.
 
2014-07-11 10:23:38 AM  

Barfmaker: Ever notice how Apple users never start these butthurt threads about the phones we use? Sort of like they don't really even care about who uses what phone? Sort of how the cool kids never really gave a shat about the geeks in high school?

Ever notice that?


Yup, you know what else I noticed?

All the `cool kids` in school were either pretty, stupid, or crazy and ended up being failures in most of their life and never lived up to their potential.

The pretty ones were all looks and no depth, the stupid ones were just stupid (and appealed to all the masses of stupids out there) and the crazy ones were exciting until you realised they were on a path to their own destruction and would take anyone around with them.

Now all the geeks are really popular because their appeal is more than just how they look, they have some substance behind them.

Your analogy is very apt. I like it.
 
2014-07-11 10:27:07 AM  

db2: Apple users: "I love my phone."
Android users: "If you can`t see what is wrong with your phone then I cannot respect you as a human."


FTFY
 
2014-07-11 10:28:01 AM  

Crudbucket: I have both a Zune and Windows Phone and they're both excellent, but they've completely farked over the Music Store recently. Technically it's still in beta and they're going to re-add most of the features they took out eventually, but it honestly feels like the almost don't want to succeed sometimes.


If the new CEO is serious about the whole 'One Microsoft' initiative, things are going to be ugly for a while. Microsoft was run for a long time as a giant Thunderdome experiment. All the different divisions and groups were pitted against each other which is why you get really stupid stuff like being able to play MP3s from OneDrive on an Android device but not on a Windows Phone or Xbox. Someone at Microsoft intentionally put in a block to make another Microsoft product from another division less valuable. Probably the Xbox Music guys wanting to force customers to subscribe to their service instead of using OneDrive. It's part of the company culture and won't be easy to change.

Dropping the requirement to have an Xbox Gold account to use IE or YouTube is a baby step in the right direction but people who have been trained to see the rest of the company as the enemy are going to take a long time to change. They might simply be best off to firing as many of the product managers as possible since that seems to be the layer most infected with the idea that internal fighting is a good thing. The loss of institutional knowledge would hurt a bit but in the long run it would make changing the culture easier to do.
 
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