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2014-07-10 08:56:50 PM
The good news is, as a chef, I've already had years to acclimatize, and adjust my diet and drinking habits to prevent this sort of thing. Seriously, kids. Drink water, and throw the Tums away. You might want to think about using bicarb soda instead, mixed with a little water, because stones are NO way to go through life, son.

Seriously. No. Way. Had a stone some years ago, and breaking toes, compression fracture to tibia, heck, getting stabbed, getting stitches taken out without anesthetic, or multiple broken ribs all paled in comparison pain wise. It is as close to childbirth as men are ever going to get, and the passage is NOT meant to accommodate such deposits. Drink your water, and keep away from the Tums or Rolaids, and drive on. It's a road you definitely don't want to walk...
 
2014-07-10 09:44:19 PM
Bull f*cking shiat

Plus, they studied five localized areas only. Which the global warming Farktavists ALWAYS say never represents climate but merely weather.
 
2014-07-10 10:02:00 PM

hubiestubert: Seriously. No. Way. Had a stone some years ago, and breaking toes, compression fracture to tibia, heck, getting stabbed, getting stitches taken out without anesthetic, or multiple broken ribs all paled in comparison pain wise. It is as close to childbirth as men are ever going to get, and the passage is NOT meant to accommodate such deposits. Drink your water, and keep away from the Tums or Rolaids, and drive on. It's a road you definitely don't want to walk...


I'm prone to them and have had several.  Only two have sent me to the emergency room and one (the first big one) required lithotripsy.  And yes, it was horribly painful - as in I was about to pass out and kept thinking that having my arm hacked off would at least take my mind off the stone.  It almost damaged my kidney.  Yes...drink water.
 
2014-07-10 10:11:53 PM
Wow, that's one of the most tangentially "correct" reports I've ever seen. Talk about extrapolating out your ass.

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with our diet, or anything. Nope. It's global warming.
 
2014-07-10 10:15:25 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Bull f*cking shiat

Plus, they studied five localized areas only. Which the global warming Farktavists ALWAYS say never represents climate but merely weather.


As opposed to the deniers, who study nothing.  Those five localized areas accounted for over 60,000 cases over a period of six years.  The results suggest that future study is warranted, and you should maybe stop listening to conservative media when it comes to climate science.  Or any science, for that matter.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1307703/

There's the study if you care to educate yourself.

/as a future sonographer, this is good job security.
 
2014-07-10 10:19:25 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Wow, that's one of the most tangentially "correct" reports I've ever seen. Talk about extrapolating out your ass.

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with our diet, or anything. Nope. It's global warming.


Well, rather looking at temperatures in general, but the point remains: drink your water, and careful with the calcium in your diet. You get dehydrated, and often--yes, I'm looking at popping what amounts to diuretics as your main source of liquid--then you're at a higher risk. Higher temps, poor drinking habits, and it's a recipe for a lot of pain and curling up like a Cheez Doodle...
 
2014-07-10 11:28:13 PM
Oh. Ohh god, they have pictures. I got diagnosed with kidney stones last week.
 
2014-07-10 11:31:28 PM
Oh deer lord they're actually all spikey like that?

Holy crap,  i figured they were actually kinda smooth like ya know A STONE,  not a farking metal Krusty-O!
 
2014-07-10 11:32:12 PM
When kidney stones are outlawed, only outlaws will have kidney stones.

/I ate her liver with a nice Cianti and some fava beans... slurp slurp slurp slurp
//kidney stones are a sign the debbil wants... your kidneys
 
2014-07-10 11:33:06 PM
Drink lots of water. Problem solved

/ I donated a kidney for my brother 2 weeks ago
// I studied up on how to protect the other one
 
2014-07-10 11:35:15 PM
My guess: fat redneck southerners jam their fat craws with big gulp after big gulp, all day every day, consuming the calories of a small normal human village just trying to stay hydrated with dr pepper and mt dew. They can't drink water after all, fish fark in it. They supplement that with a diet that consists mostly of cured pork and little debbie cakes.

Then blame Obama for their kidney stones.
 
2014-07-10 11:35:47 PM

Boo_Guy: Oh deer lord they're actually all spikey like that?

Holy crap,  i figured they were actually kinda smooth like ya know A STONE,  not a farking metal Krusty-O!


It's because of the way they grow, yeah. They're like see urchins.

Trying to travel out you're willy.
 
2014-07-10 11:36:37 PM

Boo_Guy: Oh deer lord they're actually all spikey like that?

Holy crap,  i figured they were actually kinda smooth like ya know A STONE,  not a farking metal Krusty-O!


Spikey, like worse than the pics. Had a friend who suffered through a couple. One night he drank a case of beer and held it as long as he could, and by damn, he pissed the buggers out screaming the whole way. He strained his piss and showed me his.

Did you ever see the Star Trek TNG show about the "Crystalline Entity"? That was what I saw. Mean and nasty.
 
2014-07-10 11:38:15 PM

Stoker: Did you ever see the Star Trek TNG show about the "Crystalline Entity"? That was what I saw. Mean and nasty.


in my peener? holy shiat.
 
2014-07-10 11:39:36 PM

neongoats: My guess: fat redneck southerners jam their fat craws with big gulp after big gulp, all day every day, consuming the calories of a small normal human village just trying to stay hydrated with dr pepper and mt dew. They can't drink water after all, fish fark in it. They supplement that with a diet that consists mostly of cured pork and little debbie cakes.

Then blame Obama for their kidney stones.


Then biatch that they're not covered because they voted against expanding Medicaid in their state. It all comes full circle.
 
2014-07-10 11:45:31 PM

Boo_Guy: Oh deer lord they're actually all spikey like that?

Holy crap,  i figured they were actually kinda smooth like ya know A STONE,  not a farking metal Krusty-O!


Stones aren't shiat compared to staghorn calculus.
 
2014-07-10 11:55:21 PM
So is gout or kidney stones worse? Gout was bad enough, but gout in my urethra would probably make me kill myself. I guess on the bright side you eventually pass a kidney stone and pass out on the bathroom floor.
 
2014-07-10 11:57:01 PM
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2014-07-10 11:57:57 PM
Had several. Drink water - I do a minimum of a gallon a day, and I take meds to prevent them. Get them anyway.

Women I know who have passed stones and had children tell me the stones hurt them more. Now imagine being a guy and passing one.

They look like sand spurs. Imagine peeing a sand spur. Now, imagine that's the easy part. Yeah, it is: the stone moving from the kidney to the bladder is what will make you pray for your own death.
 
2014-07-10 11:58:49 PM
It's a bit hard to determine their size from that picture. Here's another:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-11 12:03:24 AM
Christ. I barely drink any water and suck down coke and 2% milk all day every day.
 
2014-07-11 12:05:01 AM

biscuitsngravy: Christ. I barely drink any water and suck down coke and 2% milk all day every day.


Not at the same time. That'd be nasty.
 
2014-07-11 12:05:06 AM
Hmm.

Does booze increase the likelihood of these forming?

/asking for a friend
 
2014-07-11 12:05:32 AM
I'll be careful.
 
2014-07-11 12:05:48 AM
My drill sergeant, during a horrible August at Ft Jackson, used to tell us "If you ain't got to piss you ain't drinking enough water!"

That advice has served me well working as an auto mechanic in Houston. I've had several coworkers fall victim to these nasty bastards but I've never been affected.

I probably drink 8-10 liters of water a day this time of year, when the temperature and humidity have a race to see who can reach the mid 90's first.
 
2014-07-11 12:08:50 AM
What complete horseshiat, if this were remotely true then the rate if kidney stones in warm areas would dwarf cold areas and it just doesn't.
 
2014-07-11 12:10:13 AM
Oh Global Warming, is there anything you can't do?
 
2014-07-11 12:12:34 AM

fusillade762: I'll be careful.


you'll be dead!
 
2014-07-11 12:13:23 AM

hubiestubert: The good news is, as a chef, I've already had years to acclimatize, and adjust my diet and drinking habits to prevent this sort of thing. Seriously, kids. Drink water, and throw the Tums away. You might want to think about using bicarb soda instead, mixed with a little water, because stones are NO way to go through life, son.

Seriously. No. Way. Had a stone some years ago, and breaking toes, compression fracture to tibia, heck, getting stabbed, getting stitches taken out without anesthetic, or multiple broken ribs all paled in comparison pain wise. It is as close to childbirth as men are ever going to get, and the passage is NOT meant to accommodate such deposits. Drink your water, and keep away from the Tums or Rolaids, and drive on. It's a road you definitely don't want to walk...


That just scared the shiat out of me.
/clutching my abdomen right now
 
2014-07-11 12:15:07 AM

scanman61: My drill sergeant, during a horrible August at Ft Jackson, used to tell us "If you ain't got to piss you ain't drinking enough water!"

That advice has served me well working as an auto mechanic in Houston. I've had several coworkers fall victim to these nasty bastards but I've never been affected.

I probably drink 8-10 liters of water a day this time of year, when the temperature and humidity have a race to see who can reach the mid 90's first.


Oh man, I can't even imagine August in that place. I got out at the end of May, and was so acclimated to the heat that when NY had an above average hot summer that year, I burned out a computer monitor because I didn't realize how damn hot it was and shouldn't have been using it.

Yeah, that's invaluable advice. "You should have to pee every hour" was the version I got. I'm a heat casualty soarmy hydration practices have served me VERY well ever since.
 
2014-07-11 12:16:39 AM
Better start widening your urethra now just to be safe!
 
2014-07-11 12:19:35 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: hubiestubert: The good news is, as a chef, I've already had years to acclimatize, and adjust my diet and drinking habits to prevent this sort of thing. Seriously, kids. Drink water, and throw the Tums away. You might want to think about using bicarb soda instead, mixed with a little water, because stones are NO way to go through life, son.

Seriously. No. Way. Had a stone some years ago, and breaking toes, compression fracture to tibia, heck, getting stabbed, getting stitches taken out without anesthetic, or multiple broken ribs all paled in comparison pain wise. It is as close to childbirth as men are ever going to get, and the passage is NOT meant to accommodate such deposits. Drink your water, and keep away from the Tums or Rolaids, and drive on. It's a road you definitely don't want to walk...

That just scared the shiat out of me.
/clutching my abdomen right now


Stitches without anesthetic? What kind of pussy doctor you go to? That just tickles when they're pulled out.

But stones are probably the worst pain around.
 
2014-07-11 12:21:34 AM

biscuitsngravy: Christ. I barely drink any water and suck down coke and 2% milk all day every day.


Judging by your handle, you may not have a healthy lifestyle.

/also hasn't had a healthy lifestyle
//off drink since Monday, on a liver purge
///been drinking lots of water, but seemingly may not be enough
 
2014-07-11 12:23:48 AM
Have had one- at the time, the ER doc asked, "Would you like some morphine?" Good lord, yes.
 
2014-07-11 12:24:12 AM

ladyfortuna: Hmm.

Does booze increase the likelihood of these forming?

/asking for a friend


Yep, booze=dehydration.  Heavy minerals in dark beers too.

Pretty much had to give up Guinness as my daily drink due to the little buggers.  Was having a small one about every 6 weeks.

Not war or threat of death would make me give up Guinness.  6 hours in the fetal position on the floor a few times a year did.

EmergenC too.  Only one a day kids.
 
2014-07-11 12:33:52 AM
I got kidney stones twice last year, and the pain was unbearable!! Went to the ER on both occasions and both times I was told by a nurse that it's worse than childbirth. Now, I've never had children, but now I think I can pop out 20 of those bastards no problem!

/Urologist told me to drink lots of water and lemonade.
//I wouldn't wish kidney stones on my worst enemy.
///Except maybe that one asshole....yeah he can get 'em!
 
2014-07-11 12:36:52 AM
NO! I'll have my kidneys surgically removed before I pass any more of those demonic rocks.
 
2014-07-11 12:40:04 AM

Lighting: ladyfortuna: Hmm.

Does booze increase the likelihood of these forming?

/asking for a friend

Yep, booze=dehydration.  Heavy minerals in dark beers too.

Pretty much had to give up Guinness as my daily drink due to the little buggers.  Was having a small one about every 6 weeks.

Not war or threat of death would make me give up Guinness.  6 hours in the fetal position on the floor a few times a year did.

EmergenC too.  Only one a day kids.


Fortunately I stick to IPAs and drink a ton of water... I mean, my friend does. Yeah.
 
2014-07-11 12:41:40 AM

drtgb: Have had one- at the time, the ER doc asked, "Would you like some morphine?" Good lord, yes.


I've never done drugs (cigs, beer, and weed don't count, right?), but morphine is pretty great! I was given two 4 ccs of morphine to stop the pain. The instant it went into the IV, my body felt heavy and I couldn't enunciate when the doc asked me questions.  I was sooooo happy the pain ended!! God bless morphine! I salute thee
 
2014-07-11 12:42:11 AM
My first was the size of a dot of ink from touching a ballpoint pen to paper. It hurt so bad I was leaning over the side of the bed vomiting into a trashcan with my ass hanging out the gown.

Second was ~4 mm, looked like a sand spur with nasty barbs, and while it hurt was nothing like the tiny one first.

Third was like the second.

/Push water till the moment I go to bed
//Lie on Urologist form about how often I get up to pee at night
///Past due for a 4th...
 
2014-07-11 12:45:34 AM
salo2112: Had several. Drink water - I do a minimum of a gallon a day, and I take meds to preventthem. Get them anyway.

Women I know who have passed stones and had children tell me the stones hurt them more. Now imagine being a guy and passing one.

They look like sand spurs. Imagine peeing a sand spur. Now, imagine that's the easy part. Yeah, it is: the stone moving from the kidney to the bladder is what will make you pray for your own

Which is?.....
 
2014-07-11 12:48:27 AM
So, 'science' is now officially an extinct profession and it's on to Making Up Sh*t or Funding Dollars, right?
 
2014-07-11 12:51:35 AM

steamingpile: What complete horseshiat, if this were remotely true then the rate if kidney stones in warm areas would dwarf cold areas and it just doesn't.


Kidney stones aren't simply a matter of hot and cold weather, but of concentration of certain minerals and proteins in your urinary output.  You can get them in cold climates if you get dehydrated or consume too much of the minerals that form them.  But since dehydration is more frequent in hot areas and dehydration is one of the biggest factors in causing kidney stones - there is a correlation.
 
2014-07-11 12:55:40 AM

salo2112: They look like sand spurs. Imagine peeing a sand spur.


Worse. Behold calcium oxalate dihydrate crystals:
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-11 01:03:14 AM
Good thing i only go outside 2 minutes a day.
 
2014-07-11 01:08:57 AM
Some people haven't had kidney stones and don't know what the fuss is all about.

Others aren't so lucky.
 
2014-07-11 01:21:49 AM
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I use public transit and walking for my commute.  I have a smaller Camelbak for bicycle riding but this is the greatest, I use it as a briefcase.  I usually carry 3 liters of H2O, but it has room for a 6 liter bladder (or 2 X 3) and I usually empty it everyday along with about another liter at work.  On of my aunts was a pediatrician and she always said "Whatever goes out should be as clear as what went in."

CSB: One of my uncles, not blood related, and not married to the doctor aunt, passed out in pain because of those little buggers on Moonwalk Day.  I'll never forget his pain nor Armstrong and Aldrin.  To this day I put away 3 - 4 liters a day and in the summer I don't care if I have to get up in the middle of the night, it beats passing stones. Stay hydrated, Farkers.  End CSB.
 
2014-07-11 01:31:33 AM

teto85: [cdn2.armslist.com image 640x480]
I use public transit and walking for my commute.  I have a smaller Camelbak for bicycle riding but this is the greatest, I use it as a briefcase.  I usually carry 3 liters of H2O, but it has room for a 6 liter bladder (or 2 X 3) and I usually empty it everyday along with about another liter at work.  On of my aunts was a pediatrician and she always said "Whatever goes out should be as clear as what went in."

CSB: One of my uncles, not blood related, and not married to the doctor aunt, passed out in pain because of those little buggers on Moonwalk Day.  I'll never forget his pain nor Armstrong and Aldrin.  To this day I put away 3 - 4 liters a day and in the summer I don't care if I have to get up in the middle of the night, it beats passing stones. Stay hydrated, Farkers.  End CSB.


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2014-07-11 01:32:11 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Wow, that's one of the most tangentially "correct" reports I've ever seen. Talk about extrapolating out your ass.

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with our diet, or anything. Nope. It's global warming.


This.

Coorelation =\= causation

The cause is mostly being dehydrated.  Nevermind that water used to be the staple beverage, now it's sodas and energy drinks.

And alarmists wonder why people snicker when they go off the deep end like that.
 
2014-07-11 01:54:01 AM

steamingpile: What complete horseshiat, if this were remotely true then the rate if kidney stones in warm areas would dwarf cold areas and it just doesn't.


About that...

Acclimatization mitigates the effect somewhat, but you can't acclimate to unprecedented heat waves until you've experienced them.
 
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