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(Huffington Post)   Police abandon plans to photograph teen's medically induced erection in Virginia sexting case, admit they pulled a boner   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 120
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2014-07-11 09:41:58 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I cannot imagine why you would need to medically induce an erection in a teenaged boy


Seriously... all you'd need is for some marginally attractive female detective to walk into the room and unbutton the top button of her blouse... you'd have to medically suppress his erection when you were done taking the pictures.
 
2014-07-11 10:10:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: McLean Virginia sure does have some sick, sick cops.


Jesus, I need more caffeine... I read that as MrClean's Vagina!
 
2014-07-11 10:11:49 AM  
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2014-07-11 10:42:01 AM  

doglover: vicioushobbit: davidphogan: vicioushobbit: I can see it being called assault, but I don't really see how forcing somebody to have an erection is rape, unless you did something to the erection.  Taking photos of it makes the cops child pornographers, not rapists.  They do plenty of actual rape, dont' get me wrong, but I don't see how THIS is rape.

If a woman is held down and stripped against her will, while being drugs forced hormones before taking photographs, wouldn't you think that might be raped in some sense of the word?

Isn't rape about being empowered against someone weaker than you?  Like, maybe a teenager in police custody being force-fed drugs while stripped naked?

It's assault, but not rape. Penetration of some sort, they to her or otherwise forcing her to do acts, would be. What they wanted to do was assault (which medical treatment without consent technically is, if I recall) and child pornography.

Look, as a woman who frequently gets into arguments about rape, rape culture, and sexism, I can honestly say that while I find what they wanted to do illegal and abhorrent, it is not rape.

Injections aren't penetration now? It has to be a penis?


Injections are assault, not rape. Legal definitions here, people.
 
2014-07-11 10:45:44 AM  

Witness99: vicioushobbit: TOSViolation: jaylectricity: TOSViolation: bmwericus: I like to imagine that that PD got so many phone calls and angry emails that their IT systems went into hebie-jeebies and broke down utterly.

The stupidity of that idea, no to mention the entire idea that a mutual exchange of nudie photos is somehow wrong...I mean, if they play doctor in person, it's a lesser crime.

Hopefully a few more of these beyond stupid cases will finally allow some common sense to prevail, but I sure doubt it, our capacity for Dumas seems to be unlimited.

Basically, the cops threatened to rape the boy.  That alone is a crime.

Then again, I'll just leave this right here...

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Stupidity in the legal system knows no bounds.

They weren't going to rape him, only observe his medically induced boner.

And why did they need to medically induce a teenager's boner? Is he impotent or something? Just point a fan at his crotch or something.

You do not appear to understand the concept of rape.  What they wanted to do was rape.

Was it legitimate?

I can see it being called assault, but I don't really see how forcing somebody to have an erection is rape, unless you did something to the erection.  Taking photos of it makes the cops child pornographers, not rapists.  They do plenty of actual rape, dont' get me wrong, but I don't see how THIS is rape.

Think of it as a violation. They said that if he didn't comply, they would do it by force (that was the first time they took pics of his junk, flaccid). They were then going to force him to get hard, take more pics, then presumably leave him with a priapism which could last a couple hours. Now, at some point, he's going to need to take care of the erection they induced and complete the act.

But since it will be his adult self jacking off his minor self, they will need to add the charge of statutory rape. Get it?


Ok, THIS argument kinda makes sense, but it is still the cops not performing the rape, they are accessories. The dude would be raping himself at direction of authority, which would certainly require lawsuits, but still wouldn't lead to a crime of "rape" against the cops.

At least I don't think so. Can't think of a case where somebody is forced to rape somebody by direction from the government in our history.
 
2014-07-11 10:55:25 AM  
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/recent-program-updates/new-rape- d efinition-frequently-asked-questions

 "The new Summary definition of R ape is: "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

Notice how penetration of the flesh isn't mentioned? Medical injections are NOT rape.  They are assault.
 
2014-07-11 11:40:51 AM  
Another case where a precious snowflake is more important than the law.
 
2014-07-11 11:54:20 AM  

Bender The Offender: So, being involuntarily aroused by strangers without your consent is not rape if there is medicine involved? Let me tell my patients it's finally official and go get my medical fark on.


I can tell you REALLY want to rape your patients. Go ahead and give them medicine. But once you touch them, you're raping them. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
2014-07-11 12:33:46 PM  
Let's be clear on what the issue is here. Its not so much about the sexting, and who initiated it, or why only one party is being charged, its about the abuse of authority by law enforcement.

The sad thing about the American policing system is that it is made up of individual local police forces, which sometimes appear to be little more than gangs with official authority and power to do whatever they want.

The quality and level of policing, in general, in many other countries differs largely due to the fact that there is a vertical system of accountability going right up to the minister of police, or whatever that particular country wishes to call the incumbent official.

Under a system like that, a case like this would result in that top official having to answer very awkward questions. Having being put in the position of having to answer those awkward questions does not bode well at all for the local officer/s who may have overstepped their jurisdiction. It does in effect serve to be far more self-regulating because it cannot easily be swept under the table by a closing of ranks of the local "brotherhood".

This is not to detract from the excellent work and professionalism shown by the majority of US police forces, but it does show how bad apples can last far longer in the US than they can in many other countries.

If nothing, or little further comes from this debacle, it will be proof in itself of how the "system" can sweep abuse under the carpet.
 
2014-07-11 12:34:37 PM  
Children aren't very bright and will do things like take naked selfies and send send them to eachother but the parents in this case are just being unhinged.  These are kids.  They are going to do stupid shiat and experiment with sex.  Talk to them.  Discipline them.  Take their phones away, if you must.  Vindictively going after your kid's boyfriend for exchanging graphic pics just ruins his life and for what.  Unless he's sharing her photos with the whole school, then that's perhaps another matter.  But you still have to start with talking to your kid about the dangers of taking nude pics of herself and sharing them with others.
 
2014-07-11 12:39:33 PM  
A 17 year old and a 15 year old sexting and we are going to waste resources persecuting them? I blame the parents of the 15 year old for contacting the police over the matter instead of handling their daughter's stupidity themselves.

Now if the 17 year old or the 15 year old started passing around the pictures then I could see involving law enforcement, but as it stands now we just ruined two lives for no good reason.

America get over your issues with nudity and teenage sexual development.
 
2014-07-11 12:46:50 PM  

doglover: I mean, if I go to a gun shop and say "I need a good shotgun for a bank robbery." that alone is a crime. If the gun shop sells me the gun, knowing I've declared to rob a bank with it. That's another crime. Even if I then say "I've changed my mind." or "I was just kidding." IT'S STILL A CRIME.

These people tried to do something so far beyond the pale even the mere preliminary steps they took to do it should warrant felony sex offenses, dishonorable discharges, and a nice kick in the groin with a heavy boot from an NFL kicker. If they had actually carried out the plan, the death penalty would not be out of line, because they were not just raping a minor to produce pornography but using the government's authority to do it. That's beyond one victim. That's a crime against the fabric of society itself.

They basically tried to do the worst possible thing a body can do short of full on active wartime treason.


^This^

Tarring and feathering someone is pretty terrible, but I think we ought to bring it back in this one case.
 
2014-07-11 01:28:17 PM  
This is why limiting police powers is so important, because some police and prosecutors see no limit in their own quest to find someone guilty.

We need to understand that texting and sexting are rampant and that using child pornography laws to deal with this is not appropriate.
 
2014-07-11 01:32:42 PM  
If convicted of the felony charges, the teen could be listed as a sex offender for life.

If convicted?  In all of these cases where a kid has been charged with taking pictures of themselves, has there not been at least time that one of the twelve jurors said "this is bullshiat" and refused to vote for conviction?
 
2014-07-11 01:43:49 PM  

flondrix: If convicted of the felony charges, the teen could be listed as a sex offender for life.

If convicted?  In all of these cases where a kid has been charged with taking pictures of themselves, has there not been at least time that one of the twelve jurors said "this is bullshiat" and refused to vote for conviction?


You are assuming they don't settle because they can't afford to fight it to trial.
 
2014-07-11 02:07:54 PM  
The drama ended too quickly.
 
2014-07-11 02:10:49 PM  
All these stories about teens taking nude selfies getting charged with child porn are ridiculous.  Talk about applying the law without using any sort of common sense.  People need to grow up and realize that teens are going to have sexual feelings, they're going to want to expose their body parts with each other, and they are going to want to have sexual contact with each other.  This is nothing new and it isn't something you can prevent from happening by legislating it away.  I'm not saying we need to encourage it, but trying to punish them for it when all parties involved consent to participation is archaic and unrealistic.

This is also as dumb as punishing kids for making a gun with their finger or food.
 
2014-07-11 02:20:28 PM  

gweilo8888: What about worse than involuntary drug testing on hundreds of people? How about worse than stealing the retirement benefits of a few thousand?


I think the government sexually abusing a child is actually worse than involuntary drug testing and stealing retirement benefits. Murder, though, does trump it.
 
2014-07-11 02:51:43 PM  

PillsHere: All these stories about teens taking nude selfies getting charged with child porn are ridiculous. Talk about applying the law without using any sort of common sense.


Remember, if you are ever empaneled on a jury, you are allowed to use your common sense.  The judge will tell you that you are not, but he will be lying.  You can always vote to acquit.
 
2014-07-11 03:48:08 PM  

flondrix: PillsHere: All these stories about teens taking nude selfies getting charged with child porn are ridiculous. Talk about applying the law without using any sort of common sense.

Remember, if you are ever empaneled on a jury, you are allowed to use your common sense.  The judge will tell you that you are not, but he will be lying.  You can always vote to acquit.


Jury nullification FTW.
 
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