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2014-07-10 10:08:49 PM  
How the hell does one miss a gun at the airport?
 
2014-07-10 10:33:59 PM  
Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?
 
2014-07-10 11:52:17 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?


to remind you who is in power?
 
2014-07-11 12:34:22 AM  

real_headhoncho: Benevolent Misanthrope: Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?

to remind you who is in power?


came to say this
 
2014-07-11 12:38:04 AM  
Hey it's not the TSA's fault that they weren't muslimy enough to be randomly selected for secondary screening.
 
2014-07-11 12:46:09 AM  
Both weapons were found by security officials at London's Heathrow Airport

So perhaps we should be emulating England's security measures. Just spitballing here.
 
2014-07-11 12:50:51 AM  
I've had a lot better luck with TSA the last few years, and I fly a lot.  I got through SFO security in twenty minutes today.  I even forgot to take off my belt and my wallet mad the dude was totally cool.  Been a few years since I had any issue really.

/I travel way too much to do that
//blamed it on lack of coffee
///waiting for my Global Entry interview
 
2014-07-11 12:54:57 AM  
Shut them down.

Of course, that's been my solution from the start, they never should have come into existence in the first place.

Bring back the days where you could toss your bag on the belt, toss your keys in the air over the metal detector as you're running through it, catch your keys on the other side, grab your bag as it comes off the belt, and keep going.

Do not check IDs, do not x-ray people, do not take off shoes, do not even slow me down unless the metal detector (set so that anything smaller than a gun won't set it off at all) beeps.
 
2014-07-11 12:56:02 AM  

CruJones: I've had a lot better luck with TSA the last few years, and I fly a lot.  I got through SFO security in twenty minutes today.  I even forgot to take off my belt and my wallet mad the dude was totally cool.  Been a few years since I had any issue really.

/I travel way too much to do that
//blamed it on lack of coffee
///waiting for my Global Entry interview


Twenty minutes is 19 minutes 50 seconds too long.
 
2014-07-11 12:59:06 AM  
You would be causing far less damage if you paid people to dig holes, then fill them in the next day. FAR less damage.
 
2014-07-11 01:00:54 AM  
Looking at this from the other end... who the hell goes though a US airport with a loaded Glock* in their carry-on these days? I can see absentmindedly pocketing an every-day knife, but a gun?

*my Media Handgun Identification Filter says it was probably Derringer or an Allen pepperbox. Maybe a Gatling.
 
2014-07-11 01:01:53 AM  
Fark the TSA,

/Was just at LAX
 
2014-07-11 01:16:39 AM  

brimed03: Looking at this from the other end... who the hell goes though a US airport with a loaded Glock* in their carry-on these days? I can see absentmindedly pocketing an every-day knife, but a gun?

*my Media Handgun Identification Filter says it was probably Derringer or an Allen pepperbox. Maybe a Gatling.


Joseph Farah, for one.
 
2014-07-11 01:31:21 AM  

Mugato: How the hell does one miss a gun at the airport?


This, and fark the TSA.
 
2014-07-11 01:38:45 AM  
Based on post-9/11 attempted hijackings, we know for a fact that any lone terrorist has virtually zero chance of taking over a plane, because the passengers will never allow it. Anyone--even one armed with an actual loaded pistol--will be pummeled beyond recognition if they even attempt to hijack a plane all by their lonesome.

Based on post-9/11 not attempted hijackings, the only way to successfully take over a plane is with a team of trained and coordinated hijackers; and nobody so far has been willing and/or able to get such a team onboard a US-bound plane in the last 13+ years.

Not that anyone listens to Cassandra over here, but removing assorted items from individual people will never stop a trained team from successfully taking over a plane, because they will have figured out how to take that plane WITHOUT any of the items the TSA is moronically removing from them at the gate. They'll either just purchase what they need at the convenience stores located conveniently inside the security gate; or they'll use a method that does not require items like knives, nail clippers or 16-oz bottles of liquid.

Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.
 
2014-07-11 02:09:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.


ding ding ding
 
2014-07-11 02:10:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Not that anyone listens to Cassandra over here, but removing assorted items from individual people will never stop a trained team from successfully taking over a plane, because they will have figured out how to take that plane WITHOUT any of the items the TSA is moronically removing from them at the gate. They'll either just purchase what they need at the convenience stores located conveniently inside the security gate; or they'll use a method that does not require items like knives, nail clippers or 16-oz bottles of liquid.

Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.


Winner winner, chicken dinner.

/fark the TSA
 
2014-07-11 02:12:55 AM  

Burn_The_Plows: brimed03: Looking at this from the other end... who the hell goes though a US airport with a loaded Glock* in their carry-on these days? I can see absentmindedly pocketing an every-day knife, but a gun?

*my Media Handgun Identification Filter says it was probably Derringer or an Allen pepperbox. Maybe a Gatling.

Joseph Farah, for one.


Ok, my bad.

Amend my post to read "What *sane* person goes through" etc etc.
 
2014-07-11 02:38:18 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?


To grossly enrich politically well connected companies who use fear and stupidity to justify selling useless garbage at inflated prices?

When I watched the towers come down on live tv, someone with me said the terrorists succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. He was more right than he could possibly have known.
 
2014-07-11 02:53:37 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Based on post-9/11 attempted hijackings, we know for a fact that any lone terrorist has virtually zero chance of taking over a plane, because the passengers will never allow it. Anyone--even one armed with an actual loaded pistol--will be pummeled beyond recognition if they even attempt to hijack a plane all by their lonesome.

Based on post-9/11 not attempted hijackings, the only way to successfully take over a plane is with a team of trained and coordinated hijackers; and nobody so far has been willing and/or able to get such a team onboard a US-bound plane in the last 13+ years.

Not that anyone listens to Cassandra over here, but removing assorted items from individual people will never stop a trained team from successfully taking over a plane, because they will have figured out how to take that plane WITHOUT any of the items the TSA is moronically removing from them at the gate. They'll either just purchase what they need at the convenience stores located conveniently inside the security gate; or they'll use a method that does not require items like knives, nail clippers or 16-oz bottles of liquid.

Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.


Posts like this are the reason I have you Farkied as "Positively brilliant!"
 
2014-07-11 02:58:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Based on post-9/11 attempted hijackings, we know for a fact that any lone terrorist has virtually zero chance of taking over a plane, because the passengers will never allow it. Anyone--even one armed with an actual loaded pistol--will be pummeled beyond recognition if they even attempt to hijack a plane all by their lonesome.

Based on post-9/11 not attempted hijackings, the only way to successfully take over a plane is with a team of trained and coordinated hijackers; and nobody so far has been willing and/or able to get such a team onboard a US-bound plane in the last 13+ years.

Not that anyone listens to Cassandra over here, but removing assorted items from individual people will never stop a trained team from successfully taking over a plane, because they will have figured out how to take that plane WITHOUT any of the items the TSA is moronically removing from them at the gate. They'll either just purchase what they need at the convenience stores located conveniently inside the security gate; or they'll use a method that does not require items like knives, nail clippers or 16-oz bottles of liquid.

Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.


So much this times infinite, you don't need guns or knives or bombs to take over a plane. Just a well trained team and a plan.
 
2014-07-11 03:22:45 AM  

fusillade762: Both weapons were found by security officials at London's Heathrow Airport

So perhaps we should be emulating England's security measures. Just spitballing here.


That must have gone well. British customs quite famously frown on attempts to bring unlicenced firearms into the country.
 
2014-07-11 03:58:11 AM  
Quit being so "glass is half empty".

Have you seen what someone can do with nail clippers? You miss that hang nail or cut your nail too short and your day is pretty much farked.
 
2014-07-11 04:01:17 AM  
let me see if i understand the comments in this thread correctly.  apparently, since airport security sometimes makes mistakes and misses things, not only are all the people totally incompetent morons, but we probably shouldn't have airport security at all.  furthermore, terrorists can somehow exploit the fact that every so often randomly airport security misses things.  have i got that about right?

"That must have gone well. British customs quite famously frown on attempts to bring unlicenced firearms into the country."

anybody who can look at a map and who undersands that moldova is now in the schengen zone and that the vast majority of cars entering the UK via ferry are not searched could have anti-tank missiles in Chipping Sodbury in 24 hours.
 
2014-07-11 04:48:27 AM  

Mugato: How the hell does one miss a gun at the airport?


By being an intentional selection of the dumbest people the US has to offer that aren't already serving in congress or local school boards.

I don't think I've ever heard of a TSA unit  passing a basic penetration test, which basically involves breaking down a pistol, putting it on your luggage, and then not declaring it.  Same with bombs.

It's security "theater" in the purest sense of the second word.  Entirely an act that doesn't even remotely serve its ostensible function.
 
2014-07-11 05:46:58 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.


It would be redundant and unnecessary. What didn't they accomplish with 9/11?
 
2014-07-11 05:57:04 AM  

miniflea: To grossly enrich politically well connected companies who use fear and stupidity to justify selling useless garbage at inflated prices?

When I watched the towers come down on live tv, someone with me said the terrorists succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. He was more right than he could possibly have known.


I was *in* NYC and watched the second plane hit from the roof of the building I worked in and even I think it's insane what the people in this country have allowed.  I realized when Army guys in full regalia were walking the commuter trains and Grand Central looked like an Army training camp that I was not only done with NYC, but pretty much all travel that wasn't by car.  And that's how it's been for me since.   It makes me sad that this country became such a bunch of pants wetting babies that people still accept all this rubbish "security" as a way of life.

And I still can recall the horrific smells of NYC that day and the following *months*.  If those of us who were pretty damned close to what happened and in the chaos of it all that day are telling you this shiat is overboard, perhaps those in the middle of the country who are living in fear for over a decade should take the foil off their windows and wake up.
 
2014-07-11 06:24:14 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?


Because security.
 
2014-07-11 06:27:23 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: let me see if i understand the comments in this thread correctly.


You didn't. (Looks at Fark handle.) Also, sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step over here for a more thorough inspection, and have you turn on any electronics you may be carrying.
 
2014-07-11 07:00:01 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?


Because failed pizza delivery drivers and people with fed jobs' cousins need to be able to shoplift out of your luggage and stare at your gazoo on a screen.
 
2014-07-11 07:08:53 AM  
As soon as the federal government opens up a revenue stream or creates a dept, that gets steady funds it never, ever, ever , ever , ever closes that revenue stream.  This is not going away unless people march a million strong.
 
2014-07-11 07:16:49 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: let me see if i understand the comments in this thread correctly.  apparently, since airport security sometimes makes mistakes and misses things, not only are all the people totally incompetent morons, but we probably shouldn't have airport security at all.  furthermore, terrorists can somehow exploit the fact that every so often randomly airport security misses things.  have i got that about right?

"That must have gone well. British customs quite famously frown on attempts to bring unlicenced firearms into the country."

anybody who can look at a map and who undersands that moldova is now in the schengen zone and that the vast majority of cars entering the UK via ferry are not searched could have anti-tank missiles in Chipping Sodbury in 24 hours.


Hyperbole much? Nobody is arguing that there should be no security. In fact, I think many would argue that there should be better security. However, what we have now is both ineffective and intrusive. A little bit of real security would be better and faster and easier for everyone.
 
2014-07-11 07:25:22 AM  

bunner: As soon as the federal government opens up a revenue stream or creates a dept, that gets steady funds it never, ever, ever , ever , ever closes that revenue stream.  This is not going away unless people march a million strong.


Plus they'd be admitting that it was never needed in the first place. No one's going to admit to that.
 
2014-07-11 07:30:55 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Nobody is arguing that there should be no security. In fact, I think many would argue that there should be better security.


We have the tech for that and can find trained personnel.  dot.gov has no interest in effectiveness.

ChubbyTiger: However, what we have now is both ineffective and intrusive. A little bit of real security would be better and faster and easier for everyone.


And creates and maintains a metric cargo load of phony baloney jobs for everybody from failed fry cooks to harrumph merchants with snazzy degrees.
 
2014-07-11 07:48:29 AM  
50,000 monkeys with X-Ray machines and access to your property.

Like here.

Or here.

And here.

Oops.

Hold still!

Oh, snap.

Dismantle this fourth reich bullsh*t.
 
2014-07-11 08:57:53 AM  
If anything the TSA reduces security by gathering hundreds of people at chokepoints.
 
2014-07-11 09:12:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Based on post-9/11 attempted hijackings, we know for a fact that any lone terrorist has virtually zero chance of taking over a plane, because the passengers will never allow it. Anyone--even one armed with an actual loaded pistol--will be pummeled beyond recognition if they even attempt to hijack a plane all by their lonesome.

Based on post-9/11 not attempted hijackings, the only way to successfully take over a plane is with a team of trained and coordinated hijackers; and nobody so far has been willing and/or able to get such a team onboard a US-bound plane in the last 13+ years.

Not that anyone listens to Cassandra over here, but removing assorted items from individual people will never stop a trained team from successfully taking over a plane, because they will have figured out how to take that plane WITHOUT any of the items the TSA is moronically removing from them at the gate. They'll either just purchase what they need at the convenience stores located conveniently inside the security gate; or they'll use a method that does not require items like knives, nail clippers or 16-oz bottles of liquid.

Nobody's hijacked any more planes because nobody wants to. Not because TSA has stopped them.


Committed terrorists are already employed as baggage throwers.
 
2014-07-11 09:25:19 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: let me see if i understand the comments in this thread correctly.


No. No you do not.
 
2014-07-11 09:31:16 AM  

real_headhoncho: Benevolent Misanthrope: Explain to me again why we need to keep the TSA up and running?

to remind you who is in power?


The last time I was at Dulles International, I saw a whole bunch of browns that were dressed funny and speaking Sharia.  Who else are you gonna trust to protect you from them?
 
2014-07-11 10:03:20 AM  
ChubbyTiger: Hyperbole much? Nobody is arguing that there should be no security. In fact, I think many would argue that there should be better security. However, what we have now is both ineffective and intrusive. A little bit of real security would be better and faster and easier for everyone.

Bollocks.  Actually, except for the queues, which are a matter more of physical engineering, what the USA has now is pretty damn good.

Let me explain.

- TSA is relatively low cost.  This is why you get mouth breathers working there.
- TSA *is* effective.  Not because the occasional gun or knife doesnt slip through accidentally, but because it does its intended role - it makes other targets easier.  If you had one life to live for your god and even a 50% chance of sneaking your weapon through security, would you do it, or would you find a target where there is a 90% chance?
- "more security" is probably something closer to El Al / Israeli security.  And anybody who seriously thinks that this can be implemented in the USA without all sorts of problems, to say nothing of tremendous expense is delusional. I'm left of lenin liberal, but i'll grab a gun and join the tea party if the US tries something that draconian.
- TSA's basic security is no different than that in, say, England.  The difference is that the US is moribund in terms of effectively redesigning its physical security spaces.   At the US airports I pass through, most of the time the basic infrastructure is as it always was, just with more security crap crammed in there.  Compare this with, say, London Stansted, where getting people through security FAST is a science.  Same mouth breather workers.  Same secuirity protocols.  Fast and efficient.
 
2014-07-11 10:19:23 AM  
It is hard to comprehend the amount of money this country flushed down the toilet with the TSA where locked cockpit doors and some other basic improvements would have sufficed.
 
2014-07-11 10:33:32 AM  
Is that knife loaded?
 
2014-07-11 10:57:04 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: ChubbyTiger: Hyperbole much? Nobody is arguing that there should be no security. In fact, I think many would argue that there should be better security. However, what we have now is both ineffective and intrusive. A little bit of real security would be better and faster and easier for everyone.

Bollocks.  Actually, except for the queues, which are a matter more of physical engineering, what the USA has now is pretty damn good.

Let me explain.

- TSA is relatively low cost.  This is why you get mouth breathers working there.
- TSA *is* effective.  Not because the occasional gun or knife doesnt slip through accidentally, but because it does its intended role - it makes other targets easier.  If you had one life to live for your god and even a 50% chance of sneaking your weapon through security, would you do it, or would you find a target where there is a 90% chance?
- "more security" is probably something closer to El Al / Israeli security.  And anybody who seriously thinks that this can be implemented in the USA without all sorts of problems, to say nothing of tremendous expense is delusional. I'm left of lenin liberal, but i'll grab a gun and join the tea party if the US tries something that draconian.
- TSA's basic security is no different than that in, say, England.  The difference is that the US is moribund in terms of effectively redesigning its physical security spaces.   At the US airports I pass through, most of the time the basic infrastructure is as it always was, just with more security crap crammed in there.  Compare this with, say, London Stansted, where getting people through security FAST is a science.  Same mouth breather workers.  Same secuirity protocols.  Fast and efficient.


That must be why you are OK with a bunch of bureaucrats seeing into everybody's personal business. Seriously, Lenin?
 
2014-07-11 11:16:06 AM  
Just do what I do -- carry a half empty bottle of water in your carry-on.  The TSA smurfs will go ape-shiat over your dangerous bottle of water (and have you throw it out in a regular plastic trash can, which somehow makes it safe again) and forget to go through the rest of your bag.

I carry a lot of electronic equipment with me for my job and can't risk it getting damaged/pilfered by the TSA smurfs downstairs.  Ironically, what I carry could easily knock out a plane's avionics or start a nice fire but I've never had any smurf get upset about it.

/Signed up for CBP's Global Entry Program
//Have been getting the TSA Pre-Check line ever since.   Just a metal detector and I get to keep my dignity.   There's even been a few times where they didn't even bother to x-ray my carry-ons.
 
2014-07-11 11:33:24 AM  
I almost want another terror attack so we can blame the TSA and get rid of them.
But only if the plane is carrying the cast from The View, all Kardashians, Hannah Montana, Casey Anthony and all bad/distracted drivers.
 
2014-07-11 11:41:35 AM  
In the interests of correctness, nailclippers have never been prohibited by the TSA.
 
2014-07-11 12:22:46 PM  
True story,  about five years ago I walked through security at O'Hare with a Gerber in my laptop bag. Made it to Heathrow and found it while rummaging for some smokes.

The guard at Heathrow actually commented that he'd been looking to buy one when I turned it in to him. Lucky him.
 
2014-07-11 01:08:49 PM  
This shouldn't really be news.  The fatfark douchebag who runs their blog posts a weekly brag about all the guns they caught that week - typically a few dozen, or thereabouts - but in auditing, they've generally only caught something like 30% of firearms.  This probably happens hundreds of times per week.
 
2014-07-11 01:09:12 PM  
Because you're trained to look for shapes, a few metal parts and a polymer frame don't likely look like much xray'd, when not in the right config. So I assume if it was disassembled it would be easier to get past the avg TSA person with the IQ of warm body needed.  Or more likely they were just sleeping.
 
2014-07-11 01:38:19 PM  

Jument: In the interests of correctness, nailclippers have never been prohibited by the TSA.


Incorrect. Google 'nail clippers tsa' for proof.

What is true is that the TSA has tried, repeatedly, to make people think they never banned nail clippers. Heck, they say so on their website.

But the tons (literally tons- thousands of pounds) of nail clippers they have confiscated- Then sold!- proves that a lie.

For proof, google 'tsa nail clippers eBay' or:
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-MSB-6443
 
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