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(TwinCities.com)   Officials say Yellowstone Park will not erupt anytime soon, but tourists should try to avoid the sections of road which are currently melting   (twincities.com) divider line 73
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2014-07-10 09:11:46 PM  

ginandbacon: "Unusually warm weather for Yellowstone - with high temperatures in the mid-80s - has contributed to turning the road into a hot, sticky mess."

Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.


Clearly, you do not live in Michigan...
 
2014-07-10 09:12:59 PM  

browneye: That's pretty much what half the Michigan highways look like now after the winter from hell.


No they don't!

//That looks *MUCH* better, I wish we had roads that good!
 
2014-07-10 09:13:01 PM  

dr_blasto: Percise1: Thanks...

You're welcome


...for the BJ.
 
2014-07-10 09:21:21 PM  

bobothemagnificent:  Please excuse me while I refurbish the shuttle program, I'll be taking a trip to orbit.


It would be cheaper to just go to, or stay in, yellowstone. You might reach orbit when it blows..
 
2014-07-10 10:06:41 PM  

naris: ginandbacon: "Unusually warm weather for Yellowstone - with high temperatures in the mid-80s - has contributed to turning the road into a hot, sticky mess."

Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

Clearly, you do not live in Michigan...


Michigan and Connecticut defy reason and engineering.
 
2014-07-10 10:35:14 PM  
Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.
 
2014-07-10 11:38:27 PM  
Just go someplace quiet, put on some comfortable clothes, listen to your favorite music, and in a couple hours the roads and everything else will be back to normal.
 
2014-07-11 12:12:08 AM  

ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.


Otherwise known as New York normal, probably MI, MN, WI, ND, MT, etc.

So, yes, we can. You just have to repave a bit more often.
 
2014-07-11 12:23:32 AM  

James!: That's just good advice anytime.


I'm not sure why, but that's incredibly funny.  Thanks; it's been an otherwise crappy week.
 
2014-07-11 12:47:20 AM  

ladyfortuna: ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.

Otherwise known as New York normal, probably MI, MN, WI, ND, MT, etc.

So, yes, we can. You just have to repave a bit more often.


And MA, CT, VT, ME, NH, AL, as well as most of the northern hemisphere. Who on earth could possibly plan for that kind of wacky weather?
 
2014-07-11 12:49:13 AM  
Ooops, I meant AK up there...
 
2014-07-11 12:57:27 AM  

ginandbacon: Ooops, I meant AK up there...


I was wondering ^_^
 
2014-07-11 01:12:37 AM  

Deep Contact: Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.


The mudslides would win.
 
2014-07-11 01:13:25 AM  

ladyfortuna: ginandbacon: Ooops, I meant AK up there...

I was wondering ^_^


LOL hey, it's like 4 hours past my regular bedtime!
 
2014-07-11 01:25:16 AM  

ginandbacon: ladyfortuna: ginandbacon: Ooops, I meant AK up there...

I was wondering ^_^

LOL hey, it's like 4 hours past my regular bedtime!


What is a 'bedtime'?

/slept two hours when most people are just winding down
//likely up most of the night now, curse it all
 
2014-07-11 02:29:39 AM  

Deep Contact: Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.


Combo victory, USA loses.
 
2014-07-11 10:01:59 AM  

ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.


Ugh you're missing the second point.  Our national parks don't tend to have large-shoulder, solid foundation roads that are repaved often.  That's a recipe for ecological disruption.
 
2014-07-11 10:20:59 AM  

ikanreed: ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.

Ugh you're missing the second point.  Our national parks don't tend to have large-shoulder, solid foundation roads that are repaved often.  That's a recipe for ecological disruption.


And yet we have roads in all of our national parks. So what's different here? Not weather as you stated. And not special ecological conditions as you also stated.

And don't ugh me.
 
2014-07-11 10:24:09 AM  

ikanreed: Our national parks don't tend to have large-shoulder, solid foundation roads that are repaved often.


Yeah, it is not the weather that really is the limiting factor on these roads, it is the inferior road base.  Most roads are designed with very strong aggregate bases and subbases.  Most of these park roads are designed with whatever is under the road to start with.  Especially in Yellowstone where the roads are either covered with 4 feet of snow or tourist.  There is really no time for major road reconstruction here.
 
2014-07-11 10:27:55 AM  

ginandbacon: So what's different here?


Most of Yellowstone's roads are closed for about 5 months of the year during winter (yes, closed to construction as well).  Most other park roads are open year around so they actually have more time to keep them in decent shape.
 
2014-07-11 10:33:44 AM  

HeadLever: ginandbacon: So what's different here?

Most of Yellowstone's roads are closed for about 5 months of the year during winter (yes, closed to construction as well).  Most other park roads are open year around so they actually have more time to keep them in decent shape.


So it's a management problem.
 
2014-07-11 10:41:38 AM  

ginandbacon: So it's a management problem.


Mostly.  Designing a road to withstand temps of -40 to 90 degrees F is not that difficult.    Scheduling this work to happen and paying for this to be done the right way is a nightmare.
 
2014-07-11 12:33:45 PM  

radarlove: Deep Contact: Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.

The mudslides would win.


You think it would be landslide victory?
 
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