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2014-07-10 03:01:29 PM  
This is the big one.
 
2014-07-10 03:05:59 PM  
i can see how that might cause a problem.
 
2014-07-10 03:07:08 PM  
That's just good advice anytime.
 
2014-07-10 04:43:46 PM  
That's pretty much what half the Michigan highways look like now after the winter from hell.
 
2014-07-10 04:46:07 PM  
"Unusually warm weather for Yellowstone - with high temperatures in the mid-80s - has contributed to turning the road into a hot, sticky mess."

Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.
 
2014-07-10 04:56:57 PM  
I can swear on it! :D

I'm not so concerned about local hot spots migrating, or just going for hikes now and then, but the whole caldera rising and bulging thing seems like it could be an issue...
 
2014-07-10 04:57:29 PM  
It's turning into Centralia.
 
2014-07-10 04:58:37 PM  
"We've got some ideas. We're going to try them. Our maintenance staff has really looked at the issue," Nash said.

Well, don't tell Bobby Jindal that somebody has studied it.
 
2014-07-10 04:59:18 PM  
It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.
 
2014-07-10 05:00:03 PM  

Percise1: I can swear on it! :D

I'm not so concerned about local hot spots migrating, or just going for hikes now and then, but the whole caldera rising and bulging thing seems like it could be an issue...


Odd.  Last I checked the caldera was at normal levels.  If that's accurate, that could be mildly disturbing.  Please excuse me while I refurbish the shuttle program, I'll be taking a trip to orbit.
 
2014-07-10 05:01:02 PM  

ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.


But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.
 
2014-07-10 05:01:12 PM  

ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.


Price/convenience difference?
 
2014-07-10 05:01:18 PM  
Shoot heck, Cletus. I been wreckin' roads like that with my '72 Chevelle SS since I don't know when!
 
2014-07-10 05:01:33 PM  

Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.


Why would they? It's not like it will blow up twice.
 
2014-07-10 05:06:00 PM  

ginandbacon: "Unusually warm weather for Yellowstone - with high temperatures in the mid-80s - has contributed to turning the road into a hot, sticky mess."

Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.


We get melty blacktop in Texas all the time, but it's a lot hotter than 80 degrees here....
 
2014-07-10 05:07:16 PM  
I have no idea whether Yellowstone is going to erupt soon. But neither do "officials."
 
2014-07-10 05:09:38 PM  

Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.


Pretty sure that most Americans would die - several of them instantly and many of them after a second or two as their lungs melt.

/lives in a melty lung area
 
2014-07-10 05:09:44 PM  
Send rich people to Mexico to harvest melons.
 
2014-07-10 05:11:47 PM  
Tom_Slick: Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.

Why would they? It's not like it will blow up twice.

Huh, dunno, let's see ...

http://cdn.damninteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Yellowstone _ Ash_Fall_Map.jpg

I'm pretty sure most people won't want to live in a barren hellish moonscape.
 
2014-07-10 05:12:00 PM  

Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.


Yeah, if Yellowstone went in a big way, no where on North America would be safe.  And the rest of the world would be in for pretty major problems too.
 
2014-07-10 05:13:09 PM  

Remember, kiddos, stay on the footpath.



i865.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-10 05:13:11 PM  
Just take out the warning signs and rename it Darwin Park.
 
2014-07-10 05:15:35 PM  

Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.


Got news for ya: I'll be doing 1 of 2 things.  First, my preferred method, would be stealing, refurbishing, and then launching a space shuttle.  Second, failing that, I'll be stealing my mother and stepfather's sailboat and sailing to the U.K...because going EAST, instead of WEST (where said volcano is) makes more sense.   That is, of course, assuming people can get past the giant ash cloud that would bury the western U.S. and Northern Mexico to get to the rest of Mexico.  If I want a really nice climate year round, I'll go to the U.S. Virgin Islands because that, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, Diego Garcia, and American Samoa are going to be the only intact U.S. territories.

Overall, I'm not worried.  Geologic activity is always shifting, and in hot spots like Yellowstone and Kilauea are constantly changing and unstable to some degree.  Believe me, there will be plenty of warning signs that the Yellowstone volcano is about to erupt.  I imagine the weeks of constant large scale earthquakes in the region would be the a big clue.  However, when every wild animal in the park runs for its farking life, then you might want to start checking out housing on other continents.
Irony: Prevailing winds are west to east, so actually the west coast will be in better shape than the east coast.  Although the entire state of Wyoming is farked.  There are no signs of an eruption occurring, and recent studies have suggested the hot spot is actually cooling off, not growing.
 
2014-07-10 05:21:20 PM  
For all y'all who haven't RTFA: "As they examined possible fixes, park officials warned visitors not to hike into the affected area, where the danger of stepping through solid-looking soil into boiling-hot water was high."

presumably they'll have some warning if the supervolcano erupts but it's a good sign that it lets out a lot of steam and heat.
 
2014-07-10 05:21:27 PM  

ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.


0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.
 
2014-07-10 05:28:33 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Percise1: I can swear on it! :D

I'm not so concerned about local hot spots migrating, or just going for hikes now and then, but the whole caldera rising and bulging thing seems like it could be an issue...

Odd.  Last I checked the caldera was at normal levels.  If that's accurate, that could be mildly disturbing.  Please excuse me while I refurbish the shuttle program, I'll be taking a trip to orbit.


Well, define 'normal', realize that decades are minutes in geological times, look at some data, and make you own conclusions...
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs100-03/
 
2014-07-10 05:30:01 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.

Got news for ya: I'll be doing 1 of 2 things.  First, my preferred method, would be stealing, refurbishing, and then launching a space shuttle.  Second, failing that, I'll be stealing my mother and stepfather's sailboat and sailing to the U.K...because going EAST, instead of WEST (where said volcano is) makes more sense.   That is, of course, assuming people can get past the giant ash cloud that would bury the western U.S. and Northern Mexico to get to the rest of Mexico.  If I want a really nice climate year round, I'll go to the U.S. Virgin Islands because that, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, Diego Garcia, and American Samoa are going to be the only intact U.S. territories.

Overall, I'm not worried.  Geologic activity is always shifting, and in hot spots like Yellowstone and Kilauea are constantly changing and unstable to some degree.  Believe me, there will be plenty of warning signs that the Yellowstone volcano is about to erupt.  I imagine the weeks of constant large scale earthquakes in the region would be the a big clue.  However, when every wild animal in the park runs for its farking life, then you might want to start checking out housing on other continents.
Irony: Prevailing winds are west to east, so actually the west coast will be in better shape than the east coast.  Although the entire state of Wyoming is farked.  There are no signs of an eruption occurring, and recent studies have suggested the hot spot is actually cooling off, not growing.


The East Coast would have some short term disruption, but would be absolutely fine. Serious dust fallout would happen in about a 500 mile diameter and the rest of the west would get hit pretty hard, but the rest of the US would get a manageable amount, and while cleanup would be a pain in the ass, it wouldn't be that serious a problem. On the east coast, you're talking about a dusting of ash at most.

So yeah, living in DC, meh.
 
2014-07-10 05:31:19 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.

Got news for ya: I'll be doing 1 of 2 things.  First, my preferred method, would be stealing, refurbishing, and then launching a space shuttle.  Second, failing that, I'll be stealing my mother and stepfather's sailboat and sailing to the U.K...because going EAST, instead of WEST (where said volcano is) makes more sense.   That is, of course, assuming people can get past the giant ash cloud that would bury the western U.S. and Northern Mexico to get to the rest of Mexico.  If I want a really nice climate year round, I'll go to the U.S. Virgin Islands because that, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, Diego Garcia, and American Samoa are going to be the only intact U.S. territories.

Overall, I'm not worried.  Geologic activity is always shifting, and in hot spots like Yellowstone and Kilauea are constantly changing and unstable to some degree.  Believe me, there will be plenty of warning signs that the Yellowstone volcano is about to erupt.  I imagine the weeks of constant large scale earthquakes in the region would be the a big clue.  However, when every wild animal in the park runs for its farking life, then you might want to start checking out housing on other continents.
Irony: Prevailing winds are west to east, so actually the west coast will be in better shape than the east coast.  Although the entire state of Wyoming is farked.  There are no signs of an eruption occurring, and recent studies have suggested the hot spot is actually cooling off, not growing.


Depending on where you live, the options might be less than you think. The unfortunate thing isn't really what happens in the first few weeks, it is the following years. Do a little studying if you want to know about something not worth worrying about. ;)
 
2014-07-10 05:32:08 PM  

browneye: That's pretty much what half the Michigan highways look like now after the winter from hell.


But the MIchigan road features aren't gonna set your tires aflame.
 
2014-07-10 05:34:19 PM  
obama can't tell me where i can go!  kids, get in the pickup we're going freedoming!
 
2014-07-10 05:34:22 PM  

Cynicism101: For all y'all who haven't RTFA: "As they examined possible fixes, park officials warned visitors not to hike into the affected area, where the danger of stepping through solid-looking soil into boiling-hot water was high."

presumably they'll have some warning if the supervolcano erupts but it's a good sign that it lets out a lot of steam and heat.


It's always doing that.  This just means that the underground water table has probably shifted or expanded, which isn't a surprise given the bad winter we had. There are multiple warnings that we know of for volcanic eruptions: massive numbers of microquakes and small quakes (given the size of this volcano, those will probably be full scale quakes), release of gases like sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide, and carbon monoxide, ground swelling, etc.  It's an open secret that Yellowstone is probably the most closely monitored volcanoes in the U.S.  The only volcanoes that are monitored just as heavily are active all the active volcanoes in Hawaii and Alaska plus the Cascade range volcanoes.  And the chances that Mt. Rainer will explode is greater than Yellowstone at this point.  Although is you see John Cussak in a plane, you might want to GTFO of the continental U.S. in a hurry.
 
2014-07-10 05:35:14 PM  
Well, it's been nice, America. We'll always remember you fondly
/FOWF
 
2014-07-10 05:43:06 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

/ biatches don't know about my flying monkeys
 
2014-07-10 05:48:29 PM  

Maud Dib: Remember, kiddos, stay on the footpath.

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Damn, when did "Goofus and Gallant" go metal?
 
2014-07-10 05:52:56 PM  

dionysusaur: browneye: That's pretty much what half the Michigan highways look like now after the winter from hell.

But the MIchigan road features aren't gonna set your tires aflame.


Maybe not.. But the potholes and gaps will do some diiiirty, dirty things to your tires and alignment. This last winter was atrocious..
 
2014-07-10 05:59:50 PM  

Cynicism101: presumably they'll have some warning if the supervolcano erupts but it's a good sign that it lets out a lot of steam and heat.


Maybe not. One theory of supervolcano eruption is that it happens when the magma cools/shrinks and withdraws from the roof of the chamber... if the magma chamber roof then collapses, the eruption happens due to magma suddenly being exposed to much lower atmospheric pressure. So less surface heat might be a bad sign.
 
2014-07-10 06:02:06 PM  

wanelorm: dionysusaur: browneye: That's pretty much what half the Michigan highways look like now after the winter from hell.

But the MIchigan road features aren't gonna set your tires aflame.

Maybe not.. But the potholes and gaps will do some diiiirty, dirty things to your tires and alignment. This last winter was atrocious..


True enough - but then you get to get out and walk away without your shoes melting, or dropping through into boiling cauldrons.
 
2014-07-10 06:06:57 PM  

Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.


Actually, it is my understanding that early this year the United States reached an agreement with the nations of Argentina, Brazil, and Australia to house American refugees in the event of a supervolcanic eruption at Yellowstone.

I came across this info last month when I was actually doing some research on apartheid for something I'm writing.  Apparently, South Africa was slated to be one of the destinations for refugees but declined because they feared that such a massive influx of Americans could lead to a resurgence in apartheid.

Kind of allowed myself to go on an internet tangent and spend a few days looking into what's going on with Yellowstone, and as it turns out since March that place has seen a lot of increased seismic activity, mass animal evacuations, and several long dormant geysers like Steamboat and Giantess are now spewing nonstop.

Tried to find thermal data on the area from the USGS but no dice.
 
2014-07-10 06:09:28 PM  
I was just in Yellowstone Park a week ago.  Very interesting and beautiful place.  Someone asked a Park Ranger, when is the volcano going to blow.  He responded, "not today".
 
2014-07-10 06:10:12 PM  
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2014-07-10 06:10:30 PM  

cptjeff: So yeah, living in DC, meh.


Yeah, you would be spared the insta-death, but the coming decade of winter and collapse of the mid-west breadbelt would probably make you wish you hadn't.
 
2014-07-10 06:15:33 PM  

HeadLever: cptjeff: So yeah, living in DC, meh.

Yeah, you would be spared the insta-death, but the coming decade of winter and collapse of the mid-west breadbelt would probably make you wish you hadn't.


You underestimate cptjeff's capacity to go cannibal.
 
2014-07-10 06:17:46 PM  

Percise1: bobothemagnificent: Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.

Got news for ya: I'll be doing 1 of 2 things.  First, my preferred method, would be stealing, refurbishing, and then launching a space shuttle.  Second, failing that, I'll be stealing my mother and stepfather's sailboat and sailing to the U.K...because going EAST, instead of WEST (where said volcano is) makes more sense.   That is, of course, assuming people can get past the giant ash cloud that would bury the western U.S. and Northern Mexico to get to the rest of Mexico.  If I want a really nice climate year round, I'll go to the U.S. Virgin Islands because that, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, Diego Garcia, and American Samoa are going to be the only intact U.S. territories.

Overall, I'm not worried.  Geologic activity is always shifting, and in hot spots like Yellowstone and Kilauea are constantly changing and unstable to some degree.  Believe me, there will be plenty of warning signs that the Yellowstone volcano is about to erupt.  I imagine the weeks of constant large scale earthquakes in the region would be the a big clue.  However, when every wild animal in the park runs for its farking life, then you might want to start checking out housing on other continents.
Irony: Prevailing winds are west to east, so actually the west coast will be in better shape than the east coast.  Although the entire state of Wyoming is farked.  There are no signs of an eruption occurring, and recent studies have suggested the hot spot is actually cooling off, not growing.

Depending on where you live, the options might be less than you think. The unfortunate thing isn't really what happens in the first few weeks, it is the following years. Do a little studying if you want to know about something not worth worrying about. ;)


That's kind of what hit me about the refugee plans after I started researching Yellowstone- it doesn't matter where they put you in the event of a supervolcanic eruption.  It's pretty likely that you're going to die when the sun is blotted out for years and famine and plague sweep the face of the planet.  Sure, some folks will live, but them folks probably ain't gonna be you.

But hey, you know, why not send Argentina, Brazil, and Australia $100billion apiece anyways, right?
 
2014-07-10 06:22:34 PM  
Also, I get front row seats if Yellowstone does pop. I don't have to deal with the mess.
 
2014-07-10 06:27:58 PM  
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2014-07-10 06:41:26 PM  

radarlove: Percise1: bobothemagnificent: Gaylord Fister: It would be hilarious if Yellowstone would blow, just to see Americans try to flee into Mexico.

Got news for ya: I'll be doing 1 of 2 things.  First, my preferred method, would be stealing, refurbishing, and then launching a space shuttle.  Second, failing that, I'll be stealing my mother and stepfather's sailboat and sailing to the U.K...because going EAST, instead of WEST (where said volcano is) makes more sense.   That is, of course, assuming people can get past the giant ash cloud that would bury the western U.S. and Northern Mexico to get to the rest of Mexico.  If I want a really nice climate year round, I'll go to the U.S. Virgin Islands because that, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, Diego Garcia, and American Samoa are going to be the only intact U.S. territories.

Overall, I'm not worried.  Geologic activity is always shifting, and in hot spots like Yellowstone and Kilauea are constantly changing and unstable to some degree.  Believe me, there will be plenty of warning signs that the Yellowstone volcano is about to erupt.  I imagine the weeks of constant large scale earthquakes in the region would be the a big clue.  However, when every wild animal in the park runs for its farking life, then you might want to start checking out housing on other continents.
Irony: Prevailing winds are west to east, so actually the west coast will be in better shape than the east coast.  Although the entire state of Wyoming is farked.  There are no signs of an eruption occurring, and recent studies have suggested the hot spot is actually cooling off, not growing.

Depending on where you live, the options might be less than you think. The unfortunate thing isn't really what happens in the first few weeks, it is the following years. Do a little studying if you want to know about something not worth worrying about. ;)

That's kind of what hit me about the refugee plans after I started researching Yellowstone- it doesn't matter whe ...


I'd consider staying put. I'm in the middle of AG land just off of the coast in NorCal. The serious ash might not even get to me and food grows here (now anyway), but if I get sent to an exotic and dangerous land to live out my last few years, I'm damn well going to make them interesting!
My view of life is that you can always die later, why rush?
 
2014-07-10 06:42:45 PM  
So how doe one shorten up the quoted text to make the most recent/pertinent one be displayed?
Thanks...
 
2014-07-10 07:05:46 PM  

dr_blasto: HeadLever: cptjeff: So yeah, living in DC, meh.

Yeah, you would be spared the insta-death, but the coming decade of winter and collapse of the mid-west breadbelt would probably make you wish you hadn't.

You underestimate cptjeff's capacity to go cannibal.


His recipe for bbq'ed baby is to die for.
 
2014-07-10 07:34:44 PM  

Percise1: Thanks...


You're welcome
 
2014-07-10 08:50:08 PM  

Tymast: obama can't tell me where i can go!  kids, get in the pickup we're going freedoming!


Obama wouldn't be bothered to tell you shiat.  He aint lookin for photo ops.
 
2014-07-10 09:11:46 PM  

ginandbacon: "Unusually warm weather for Yellowstone - with high temperatures in the mid-80s - has contributed to turning the road into a hot, sticky mess."

Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.


Clearly, you do not live in Michigan...
 
2014-07-10 09:12:59 PM  

browneye: That's pretty much what half the Michigan highways look like now after the winter from hell.


No they don't!

//That looks *MUCH* better, I wish we had roads that good!
 
2014-07-10 09:13:01 PM  

dr_blasto: Percise1: Thanks...

You're welcome


...for the BJ.
 
2014-07-10 09:21:21 PM  

bobothemagnificent:  Please excuse me while I refurbish the shuttle program, I'll be taking a trip to orbit.


It would be cheaper to just go to, or stay in, yellowstone. You might reach orbit when it blows..
 
2014-07-10 10:06:41 PM  

naris: ginandbacon: "Unusually warm weather for Yellowstone - with high temperatures in the mid-80s - has contributed to turning the road into a hot, sticky mess."

Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

Clearly, you do not live in Michigan...


Michigan and Connecticut defy reason and engineering.
 
2014-07-10 10:35:14 PM  
Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.
 
2014-07-10 11:38:27 PM  
Just go someplace quiet, put on some comfortable clothes, listen to your favorite music, and in a couple hours the roads and everything else will be back to normal.
 
2014-07-11 12:12:08 AM  

ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.


Otherwise known as New York normal, probably MI, MN, WI, ND, MT, etc.

So, yes, we can. You just have to repave a bit more often.
 
2014-07-11 12:23:32 AM  

James!: That's just good advice anytime.


I'm not sure why, but that's incredibly funny.  Thanks; it's been an otherwise crappy week.
 
2014-07-11 12:47:20 AM  

ladyfortuna: ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.

Otherwise known as New York normal, probably MI, MN, WI, ND, MT, etc.

So, yes, we can. You just have to repave a bit more often.


And MA, CT, VT, ME, NH, AL, as well as most of the northern hemisphere. Who on earth could possibly plan for that kind of wacky weather?
 
2014-07-11 12:49:13 AM  
Ooops, I meant AK up there...
 
2014-07-11 12:57:27 AM  

ginandbacon: Ooops, I meant AK up there...


I was wondering ^_^
 
2014-07-11 01:12:37 AM  

Deep Contact: Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.


The mudslides would win.
 
2014-07-11 01:13:25 AM  

ladyfortuna: ginandbacon: Ooops, I meant AK up there...

I was wondering ^_^


LOL hey, it's like 4 hours past my regular bedtime!
 
2014-07-11 01:25:16 AM  

ginandbacon: ladyfortuna: ginandbacon: Ooops, I meant AK up there...

I was wondering ^_^

LOL hey, it's like 4 hours past my regular bedtime!


What is a 'bedtime'?

/slept two hours when most people are just winding down
//likely up most of the night now, curse it all
 
2014-07-11 02:29:39 AM  

Deep Contact: Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.


Combo victory, USA loses.
 
2014-07-11 10:01:59 AM  

ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.


Ugh you're missing the second point.  Our national parks don't tend to have large-shoulder, solid foundation roads that are repaved often.  That's a recipe for ecological disruption.
 
2014-07-11 10:20:59 AM  

ikanreed: ginandbacon: ikanreed: ginandbacon: Um...not to poo poo climate change or anything but I am fairly certain we know how to build roads that can survive that kind of heat.

But can you build them to handle entire months of being 0F too?  With frequent freeze/thaw cycles in spring?  And with a design that minimizes disruption to the natural wild-lands surrounding them?

80F temps happen in Yellowstone about once a year, and aren't a primary concern.

0 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, that's really extreme weather.

Ugh you're missing the second point.  Our national parks don't tend to have large-shoulder, solid foundation roads that are repaved often.  That's a recipe for ecological disruption.


And yet we have roads in all of our national parks. So what's different here? Not weather as you stated. And not special ecological conditions as you also stated.

And don't ugh me.
 
2014-07-11 10:24:09 AM  

ikanreed: Our national parks don't tend to have large-shoulder, solid foundation roads that are repaved often.


Yeah, it is not the weather that really is the limiting factor on these roads, it is the inferior road base.  Most roads are designed with very strong aggregate bases and subbases.  Most of these park roads are designed with whatever is under the road to start with.  Especially in Yellowstone where the roads are either covered with 4 feet of snow or tourist.  There is really no time for major road reconstruction here.
 
2014-07-11 10:27:55 AM  

ginandbacon: So what's different here?


Most of Yellowstone's roads are closed for about 5 months of the year during winter (yes, closed to construction as well).  Most other park roads are open year around so they actually have more time to keep them in decent shape.
 
2014-07-11 10:33:44 AM  

HeadLever: ginandbacon: So what's different here?

Most of Yellowstone's roads are closed for about 5 months of the year during winter (yes, closed to construction as well).  Most other park roads are open year around so they actually have more time to keep them in decent shape.


So it's a management problem.
 
2014-07-11 10:41:38 AM  

ginandbacon: So it's a management problem.


Mostly.  Designing a road to withstand temps of -40 to 90 degrees F is not that difficult.    Scheduling this work to happen and paying for this to be done the right way is a nightmare.
 
2014-07-11 12:33:45 PM  

radarlove: Deep Contact: Like to have the super volcano blow in the winter the same time there is a polar vortex
and see who wins.

The mudslides would win.


You think it would be landslide victory?
 
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