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2014-07-10 09:18:57 PM  
Thanks for the article, youngmitter.
I never learned official shorthand. Like a lot of folks in a college type environment, I kinda invented my own. But I maintain it is the best way to learn and retain something from a lecture w/o disturbing anyone around you.
Big Chief notebook, 50 cent Bic pen.
You listen, you write furiously - SILENTLY, because your not a jerk with a keyboard, see?
When you get back to your rooming house/work-release program/homeless shelter, you review and write out the important parts longhand. By then, it's locked in your brain... or, at the very least, a seed should've taken root when it comes time for the test/report/what have you.
Plus, when inevitably the lecturer starts digressing into his days fighting the good fight back at good ol' blah blah blah, you're already set-up for doodling naked rebel chicks vs naked storm trooper chicks in a kick-ass light-sabre battle all set  in your 1 1/2 inch margin.
And, man that makes for some some good, good doodles when they won't let you have porn at the rooming house/work-release program/homeless shelter.
 
2014-07-10 10:25:13 PM  
Let the carpal tunnel begin!
 
2014-07-10 10:27:17 PM  
It's a Sky wifi smartpen,

Oh god, pens with wifi.  This doesn't sound at all like another pointless tech doodad that only exists because it's possible, not because anyone actually wants it.

it's able to sync up the picture of my handwritten notes with the audio file. That means I can tap the tip of the pen anywhere in my notebook, and the pen will instantly replay the audio of whatever was being said when I took that note...the OCR will automatically convert your handwritten notes into a text file that you can then copy and paste into your word processor.

Umm, neat?  I guess?

Wait, why are you taking notes at all if you have a recording?

And why are you writing by hand instead of typing?  Before smartphones there were these amazing things called "laptops" that actually let you input text faster than 3 wpm.

Or can you actually write faster than you type?

Oh wait, that's the entire point of the article.

Yay, reading!
 
2014-07-10 10:30:00 PM  

dookdookdook: It's a Sky wifi smartpen,

Oh god, pens with wifi.  This doesn't sound at all like another pointless tech doodad that only exists because it's possible, not because anyone actually wants it.

it's able to sync up the picture of my handwritten notes with the audio file. That means I can tap the tip of the pen anywhere in my notebook, and the pen will instantly replay the audio of whatever was being said when I took that note...the OCR will automatically convert your handwritten notes into a text file that you can then copy and paste into your word processor.

Umm, neat?  I guess?

Wait, why are you taking notes at all if you have a recording?

And why are you writing by hand instead of typing?  Before smartphones there were these amazing things called "laptops" that actually let you input text faster than 3 wpm.

Or can you actually write faster than you type?

Oh wait, that's the entire point of the article.

Yay, reading!


I mean it helps be but I'm an ADA certified retard and I'm allowed to record class lectures on a smart pen
 
2014-07-10 10:30:40 PM  
Sorry, I still enjoy writing cursive.

And yes, I'm on computers all the time; I program, so that's not a factor.


My signature is awesome.
Deal with it.
 
2014-07-10 10:31:31 PM  
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2014-07-10 10:33:00 PM  
fu
 
2014-07-10 10:44:27 PM  
Cursive is quick. And because of all you losers who refuse to learn it/let your children learn it, it's quickly becoming a secret code language.
 
2014-07-10 10:45:23 PM  
I'm gonna guess shorthand.  Is it shorthand?  RTFA...Yep.  Shorthand.

In high school, I took part of a class that taught shorthand and test taking techniques.  I wanted an easy class for mid-morning but that was not the right class for me.  Not that it was hard.  Just required too much attention with no practical gain.  It was one step above "take out a circle of paper..."  That was the one time I transferred classes in high school.  I felt bad, too, because the teacher was so enthusiastic about the subject and really cared about the students.  "But you're doing so well!"  "Um...yeah...the thing is...can you just sign the transfer, please?"  I got the librarian to take me in the library science "class" that period.  It was basically shelving books for 10 minutes, then playing poker for M&Ms with a friend who was the other person in the class.  Until the librarians caught us and made is switch to cribbage.  As if people don't play cribbage for money.
 
2014-07-10 10:45:26 PM  

dookdookdook: It's a Sky wifi smartpen,

Oh god, pens with wifi.  This doesn't sound at all like another pointless tech doodad that only exists because it's possible, not because anyone actually wants it.

it's able to sync up the picture of my handwritten notes with the audio file. That means I can tap the tip of the pen anywhere in my notebook, and the pen will instantly replay the audio of whatever was being said when I took that note...the OCR will automatically convert your handwritten notes into a text file that you can then copy and paste into your word processor.

Umm, neat?  I guess?

Wait, why are you taking notes at all if you have a recording?

And why are you writing by hand instead of typing?  Before smartphones there were these amazing things called "laptops" that actually let you input text faster than 3 wpm.

...

Now, try taking notes in something that can't be typed, and may require going back to the original audio a couple of times to understand what's being said

I'm a chemist originally.  How fast can you write organic structures with a computer?
Physical chemist:  I used a lot of complex math.  Even if you're a TeX god you won't keep up
I took a music theory class last year.  How fast can you enter musical notation on a computer?  Oh, and with the smartpen I can listen to the tune as the professor was playing it, next to the score.

Yeah, I often use a computer to take notes on dull stuff like meetings.  But for learning interesting things, a pen rules, and smartpens are damn cool inventions.

/Waiting for a fountain smartpen.   I have both a smartpen and a fountain pen and I *really* want that combo...
 
2014-07-10 10:45:54 PM  

TsarTom: Thanks for the article, youngmitter.
I never learned official shorthand. Like a lot of folks in a college type environment, I kinda invented my own. But I maintain it is the best way to learn and retain something from a lecture w/o disturbing anyone around you.


Nowadays we have digital cameras.  Unfortunately, so many professors get infurated by the idea that our generation has it easier than theirs, that they try to justify banning the cameras by saying it just gives the students more time to goof off.  When really it just gives them more time to pay attention to the actual lesson, instead of focusing on writing it down and learning it later.

Coincidentally, they only ever go after the fresh-out-of-HS students for undisruptive electronic devices, never the middle aged adults.
 
2014-07-10 10:46:16 PM  
Pitman. Older. Wiser.
 
2014-07-10 10:50:17 PM  
I wish I knew shorthand. My penmanship is atrocious, to the point where I can't understand my own notes if they're older than a week or two. Part of it is probably laziness, but I have a problem writing fast enough to keep up with my brain and I end up running words together. I want to write "this is the house" and it comes out "thouse". I was meeting with a former colleague about ten years ago and noticed he was writing in shorthand. Lightning fast, too; I envied his ability to take very detailed notes with minimal effort.

As for the "why not use a tablet or laptop" crowd; believe it or not, there are many circumstances in many places in the world where it's not practical and/or would be considered very impolite to be sitting there typing away while you're having a conversation with someone. Handwriting, in some fashion, will be around a while. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's busted. It's all about the right tool for the job. Remember that the first major battle of the 21st century (Mazar e Sharif) was fought largely on horseback.
 
2014-07-10 10:53:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Cursive is quick. And because of all you losers who refuse to learn it/let your children learn it, it's quickly becoming a secret code language.


this. I spent years perfecting my signature, but kids today won't know what to do. I can see it now:

Print your name:  (they print their name)
Sign here: (they write - I don't know sign language)
 
2014-07-10 11:01:25 PM  
Next week: How to get the most oil out of your whale.
 
2014-07-10 11:02:57 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I'm a chemist originally. How fast can you write organic structures with a computer?
Physical chemist: I used a lot of complex math. Even if you're a TeX god you won't keep up
I took a music theory class last year. How fast can you enter musical notation on a computer? Oh, and with the smartpen I can listen to the tune as the professor was playing it, next to the score.


True, but I'll bet you $1,000 this stupid pen's OCR can't transcribe formulas into LaTeX.
 
2014-07-10 11:04:10 PM  

moeburn: so many professors get infurated


don't the big universities record all the lectures and have them available online?
 
2014-07-10 11:05:34 PM  
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2014-07-10 11:05:39 PM  
I already have something short and fast I use with my hand. BFD.
 
2014-07-10 11:08:40 PM  
"It's a Sky wifi smart pen"

People are afraid of new things. You should have just taken an existing product and put a clock on it or something.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-10 11:32:02 PM  
I read enough of that article to know that it would be satisfying to punch them in the face.
 
2014-07-10 11:33:16 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Cursive is quick. And because of all you losers who refuse to learn it/let your children learn it, it's quickly becoming a secret code language.


Gregg is *FAR* faster than cursive.  A competent Gregg user can write down things as fast as people speak--something you can't do with cursive or an ordinary keyboard.
 
2014-07-10 11:43:52 PM  
I still take notes on actual paper.  I've got a stack of spiral notebooks under my desk.  I rarely look at the notes, the act of writing them helps burn them in my brain I sincerely believe.  Plus I can draw network diagrams quicker, and I have my own shorthand for that too.  Also, doodling.

/people do look at you funny when you're in IT and prefer paper to computer
 
2014-07-10 11:46:08 PM  
Meh. It takes me an hour to do a post here on Fark. I don't think the article will help me.
 
2014-07-10 11:46:44 PM  

dolphinsgonwild: The My Little Pony Killer: Cursive is quick. And because of all you losers who refuse to learn it/let your children learn it, it's quickly becoming a secret code language.

this. I spent years perfecting my signature, but kids today won't know what to do. I can see it now:

Print your name:  (they print their name)
Sign here: (they write - I don't know sign language)


I have horrible handwriting, and the older I get and less I use it the worse it gets. This has led me to some abomination that's a hybrid print/block letter/cursive nightmare. I go back and forth depending on how legible I am that day and which is easier for a letter/word/phrase. It's pretty bad.
 
2014-07-10 11:52:23 PM  

CruJones: I still take notes on actual paper.  I've got a stack of spiral notebooks under my desk.  I rarely look at the notes, the act of writing them helps burn them in my brain I sincerely believe.  Plus I can draw network diagrams quicker, and I have my own shorthand for that too.  Also, doodling.

/people do look at you funny when you're in IT and prefer paper to computer


I had to write so fast to keep up with my teachers that I didn't remember a damn thing I had written.

And it was so messy that even I had a hard time reading it after.
 
2014-07-10 11:55:36 PM  

CruJones: dolphinsgonwild: The My Little Pony Killer: Cursive is quick. And because of all you losers who refuse to learn it/let your children learn it, it's quickly becoming a secret code language.

this. I spent years perfecting my signature, but kids today won't know what to do. I can see it now:

Print your name:  (they print their name)
Sign here: (they write - I don't know sign language)

I have horrible handwriting, and the older I get and less I use it the worse it gets. This has led me to some abomination that's a hybrid print/block letter/cursive nightmare. I go back and forth depending on how legible I am that day and which is easier for a letter/word/phrase. It's pretty bad.


Do you ever forget how to even write certain letters sometimes?

I write so little I can't remember how to do some of the least used capitals unless I stop and think real hard about it for a minute.

/then the smoke comes out
//sets the fire alarm off
///then I can't remember what I was writing for in the first place
 
2014-07-11 12:20:09 AM  
icant.co.uk
 
2014-07-11 12:34:39 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I'm a chemist originally.  How fast can you write organic structures with a computer?


Draw one picture every four minutes. That's 250 words per minute.
 
2014-07-11 12:49:51 AM  
My mother was a legal secretary for many years and knew shorthand.  I once saw her take dictation with it and was amazed.  She's 90 now and I would not be surprised if she could still do that.

What I would dearly love to see would be some remnant of Roman shorthand.  Tiro, Cicero's slave and then freedman invented it and then taught it to Senate slaves so they could keep an accurate record of proceedings.  I think Quintilian describes it, but no example of it has survived.
 
2014-07-11 12:53:21 AM  

Boo_Guy: CruJones: dolphinsgonwild: The My Little Pony Killer: Cursive is quick. And because of all you losers who refuse to learn it/let your children learn it, it's quickly becoming a secret code language.

this. I spent years perfecting my signature, but kids today won't know what to do. I can see it now:

Print your name:  (they print their name)
Sign here: (they write - I don't know sign language)

I have horrible handwriting, and the older I get and less I use it the worse it gets. This has led me to some abomination that's a hybrid print/block letter/cursive nightmare. I go back and forth depending on how legible I am that day and which is easier for a letter/word/phrase. It's pretty bad.

Do you ever forget how to even write certain letters sometimes?

I write so little I can't remember how to do some of the least used capitals unless I stop and think real hard about it for a minute.

/then the smoke comes out
//sets the fire alarm off
///then I can't remember what I was writing for in the first place


Rirruto? More often than not I write down what I'm saying out loud, or thinking, than what I'm actually supposed to be writing.
 
2014-07-11 01:26:45 AM  
Witchcraft!
 
2014-07-11 02:18:58 AM  
So it's just another fancy, faddy, expensive toy then.
 
2014-07-11 06:42:51 AM  
Just get oar smart fondue dictate with speech recognition.

dimples.
 
2014-07-11 02:33:55 PM  

moeburn: TsarTom: Thanks for the article, youngmitter.
I never learned official shorthand. Like a lot of folks in a college type environment, I kinda invented my own. But I maintain it is the best way to learn and retain something from a lecture w/o disturbing anyone around you.

Nowadays we have digital cameras.  Unfortunately, so many professors get infurated by the idea that our generation has it easier than theirs, that they try to justify banning the cameras by saying it just gives the students more time to goof off.  When really it just gives them more time to pay attention to the actual lesson, instead of focusing on writing it down and learning it later.

Coincidentally, they only ever go after the fresh-out-of-HS students for undisruptive electronic devices, never the middle aged adults.


That's 'cuz we better than you.
Sheeeit... all that fancy college education, and you didn't even know that?
Sheeiiitt

Seriously though... Used to be everyone had to learn by rote memorization. Then they invented a stylus and a clay tablet; I gotta think there was some grumbling from the staff about that.
When your generation (I am making assumptions here) is the one teaching, video-recording lectures will be old hat. By then professors will be objecting to having a probe inserted into their brain that students can wire in to at any time, day or night, and use to map out their test strategies. Or failing that, their blackmail strategies.

And that is how the future shall unfold.
 
2014-07-11 05:41:15 PM  
I learned a modified form of Gregg shorthand years ago when assisting a diabled Lit professor who preferred dictation to writing.  It was faster and pretty effective.

As far as taking notes on the laptop, how many people type 150 wpm?
 
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