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2014-07-10 11:00:48 AM
Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.
 
2014-07-10 11:18:50 AM
Well, hey, maybe THIS time it'll work!
 
2014-07-10 11:29:28 AM
Hamas should stop launching rockets at Israel.
 
2014-07-10 11:33:01 AM
Hamas kidnap and kill Israeli teenagers
Israelis kidnap and kill Palestinian teenager
Hamas launch rockets in retaliation
Israel launch air strikes in retaliation for the retaliation
Hamas launch rockets in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation
Israel launch air strikes in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation
Hamas launch rockets in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation
Israel launch air strikes in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation

ad infinitum...
 
2014-07-10 11:33:07 AM
I wonder how many rockets would have to land in Subby's town before he said "enough is enough!"
 
2014-07-10 11:36:43 AM
Im really not a staunch defender of Israels policies, but come on.

Stop. launching. farking. rockets.
 
2014-07-10 11:39:31 AM

RexTalionis: Hamas kidnap and kill Israeli teenagers
Israelis kidnap and kill Palestinian teenager
Hamas launch rockets in retaliation
Israel launch air strikes in retaliation for the retaliation
Hamas launch rockets in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation
Israel launch air strikes in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation
Hamas launch rockets in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation
Israel launch air strikes in retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation

ad infinitum...


Maybe, to end it once and for all, Israel needs to implement some sort of final solution.
 
2014-07-10 11:44:58 AM
Hold hands and sing koom ba ya.
 
2014-07-10 11:49:44 AM
what palestine?


/ducks
 
2014-07-10 11:57:26 AM

vernonFL: Hamas should stop launching rockets at Israel.


You'd think by now they'd realize that it only brings disproportionate retaliation.  They are, however, a desperate people and the hatred spans many generations.  The cycle of violence will go on indefinitely.
 
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2014-07-10 12:05:37 PM

SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.


Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.
 
2014-07-10 12:07:10 PM
Hamas just bombed Jerusalem. 4 missiles. I wonder what will happen if one hits the Dome of the Rock.
Iron Dome blocked the two headed towards populated area.
 
2014-07-10 12:19:12 PM

SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.


Yeah, Israel just can't get a break from the US.
 
2014-07-10 12:20:21 PM

vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.


Exactly. When has collective punishment ever been okay by modern standards? israeli used the kidnapping to arrest hundreds of Palestinians and bulldoze their homes. Let that sink in for a second:

Israel bulldozed the homes of suspects.

Not convicted criminals. They did this within hours... While a Palestinian teen was burned to death, and they have six confessions, but all of those homes are still standing. A Florida teen May or may not have been throwing rocks with a slingshot, we don't have any hard evidence either way. What we do have evidence of is Israeli security officers beating him after he was subdued and in custody. All of these are human rights violations and evidence of systematic discrimination and racism. It's not okay.

Israel is the 'responsible' actor here. They hold all the marbles. Economically and militarily. If they really wanted to engage in a fruitful peace process they could, but they don't. Doesn't matter if there are terrorists on the otherside. That doesn't let you ignore human rights and apply the law subjectively. It certainly doesn't make collective punishment okay. None of this is okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.
 
2014-07-10 12:26:15 PM

Alunan: vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.

Exactly. When has collective punishment ever been okay by modern standards? israeli used the kidnapping to arrest hundreds of Palestinians and bulldoze their homes. Let that sink in for a second:

Israel bulldozed the homes of suspects.

Not convicted criminals. They did this within hours... While a Palestinian teen was burned to death, and they have six confessions, but all of those homes are still standing. A Florida teen May or may not have been throwing rocks with a slingshot, we don't have any hard evidence either way. What we do have evidence of is Israeli security officers beating him after he was subdued and in custody. All of these are human rights violations and evidence of systematic discrimination and racism. It's not okay.

Israel is the 'responsible' actor here. They hold all the marbles. Economically and militarily. If they really wanted to engage in a fruitful peace process they could, but they don't. Doesn't matter if there are terrorists on the otherside. That doesn't let you ignore human rights and apply the law subjectively. It certainly doesn't make collective punishment okay. None of this is okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.


There are some seriously funny parallels between the modern day Palestinians and Israelis and the Zealot movements of Judea and the Roman occupation.

/Not endorsing either side, but the situations are really quite similar. History repeats.
 
2014-07-10 12:27:09 PM
I'm beginning to think this whole "let's just give the Jews British Palestine" plan wasn't thought all the way through.
 
2014-07-10 12:28:06 PM

Alunan: vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.

Exactly. When has collective punishment ever been okay by modern standards? israeli used the kidnapping to arrest hundreds of Palestinians and bulldoze their homes. Let that sink in for a second:

Israel bulldozed the homes of suspects.

Not convicted criminals. They did this within hours... While a Palestinian teen was burned to death, and they have six confessions, but all of those homes are still standing. A Florida teen May or may not have been throwing rocks with a slingshot, we don't have any hard evidence either way. What we do have evidence of is Israeli security officers beating him after he was subdued and in custody. All of these are human rights violations and evidence of systematic discrimination and racism. It's not okay.

Israel is the 'responsible' actor here. They hold all the marbles. Economically and militarily. If they really wanted to engage in a fruitful peace process they could, but they don't. Doesn't matter if there are terrorists on the otherside. That doesn't let you ignore human rights and apply the law subjectively. It certainly doesn't make collective punishment okay. None of this is okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.


That's bullshiat.  There's no "fruitful peace process" to be had with Hamas.  They ARE the elected government in Gaza.  They are supported by the majority.   And they want nothing less than the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state.  It's in their charter, and they'll tell you just that every chance they have--unless they just chop your head off for being an American, of course.
 
2014-07-10 12:30:30 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: I'm beginning to think this whole "let's just give the Jews British Palestine" plan wasn't thought all the way through.


I know, right?

/what a cluterf*ck this has turned out to be
//should have just given them Florida
 
2014-07-10 12:40:31 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: I'm beginning to think this whole "let's just give the Jews British Palestine" plan wasn't thought all the way through.


Britain's decolonization didn't really go well anywhere.  Africa is still a total mess and the division of India and Pakistan was rocky to say the least.
 
2014-07-10 12:49:29 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: I'm beginning to think this whole "let's just give the Jews British Palestine" plan wasn't thought all the way through.


Churchill was a farking sociopath. This is exactly what he wanted.
 
2014-07-10 12:49:49 PM

BravadoGT: Alunan: vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.

Exactly. When has collective punishment ever been okay by modern standards? israeli used the kidnapping to arrest hundreds of Palestinians and bulldoze their homes. Let that sink in for a second:

Israel bulldozed the homes of suspects.

Not convicted criminals. They did this within hours... While a Palestinian teen was burned to death, and they have six confessions, but all of those homes are still standing. A Florida teen May or may not have been throwing rocks with a slingshot, we don't have any hard evidence either way. What we do have evidence of is Israeli security officers beating him after he was subdued and in custody. All of these are human rights violations and evidence of systematic discrimination and racism. It's not okay.

Israel is the 'responsible' actor here. They hold all the marbles. Economically and militarily. If they really wanted to engage in a fruitful peace process they could, but they don't. Doesn't matter if there are terrorists on the otherside. That doesn't let you ignore human rights and apply the law subjectively. It certainly doesn't make collective punishment okay. None of this is okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

That's bullshiat.  There's no "fruitful peace process" to be had with Hamas.  They ARE the elected government in Gaza.  They are supported by the majority.   And they want nothing less than the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state.  It's in their charter, and they'll tell you just that every chance they have--unless they just chop your head off for being an American, of course.


Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are accepting that absurd caricature of the situation, it still doesn't make it okay to inflict collective punishment and aparthatic laws on people based on their ethnicity and that's what Israel is doing. It's not okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

www.maws.org
 
2014-07-10 12:54:53 PM
Alunan:
Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are accepting that absurd caricature of the situation, it still doesn't make it okay to inflict collective punishment and aparthatic laws on people based on their ethnicity and that's what Israel is doing. It's not okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

You're not wrong in the slightest, but at the same time it's fairly hard to defend Palestine for different reasons.  It's easy to understand their frustrations given the harsh situation imposed on them, but it's hard to defend a lot of their actions.  I can't find myself to root for either side, I wish the referees would just call the game.
 
2014-07-10 01:09:18 PM
If that olive oil was combustible we would get involved.
 
2014-07-10 01:11:33 PM

nekom: Alunan:
Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are accepting that absurd caricature of the situation, it still doesn't make it okay to inflict collective punishment and aparthatic laws on people based on their ethnicity and that's what Israel is doing. It's not okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

You're not wrong in the slightest, but at the same time it's fairly hard to defend Palestine for different reasons.  It's easy to understand their frustrations given the harsh situation imposed on them, but it's hard to defend a lot of their actions.  I can't find myself to root for either side, I wish the referees would just call the game.


You know when the younger brother keeps pushing the older bigger brother and then gets smacked down and complains about being smacked down? Same thing except with dead people.

I will also say that without the US leading a peace talk solution every few months that place will be like this forever
 
2014-07-10 01:12:16 PM

nekom: Alunan:
Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are accepting that absurd caricature of the situation, it still doesn't make it okay to inflict collective punishment and aparthatic laws on people based on their ethnicity and that's what Israel is doing. It's not okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

You're not wrong in the slightest, but at the same time it's fairly hard to defend Palestine for different reasons.  It's easy to understand their frustrations given the harsh situation imposed on them, but it's hard to defend a lot of their actions.  I can't find myself to root for either side, I wish the referees would just call the game.


I completely agree. However, a lot of people seem to instantly equate that not-defending Israel is somehow defending Hamas or Palestine. There needs to be an understanding that nothing can justify what Israel is doing, and since we are effectively supporting and providing aid to Israel, they need to be held to our standards. If that's not possible, then we need to stop supporting and aiding, and ideally isolate Israel. Just like Hamas.
 
2014-07-10 01:13:13 PM

Alunan: vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.

Exactly. When has collective punishment ever been okay by modern standards? israeli used the kidnapping to arrest hundreds of Palestinians and bulldoze their homes. Let that sink in for a second:

Israel bulldozed the homes of suspects.

Not convicted criminals. They did this within hours... While a Palestinian teen was burned to death, and they have six confessions, but all of those homes are still standing. A Florida teen May or may not have been throwing rocks with a slingshot, we don't have any hard evidence either way. What we do have evidence of is Israeli security officers beating him after he was subdued and in custody. All of these are human rights violations and evidence of systematic discrimination and racism. It's not okay.

Israel is the 'responsible' actor here. They hold all the marbles. Economically and militarily. If they really wanted to engage in a fruitful peace process they could, but they don't. Doesn't matter if there are terrorists on the otherside. That doesn't let you ignore human rights and apply the law subjectively. It certainly doesn't make collective punishment okay. None of this is okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.


^this. Seriously, Israel is not an innocent player in all this. They may be able to play a victim sometimes, like when the entire middle east tried to kill them in 3 wars. That does not justify their treatment of the Palestinians.

vernonFL: Im really not a staunch defender of Israels policies, but come on.

Stop. launching. farking. rockets.


Israel needs to stop with their settlement building. That's the one thing that they refused to give up during the peace negotiations that Kerry was working on. That's one of the biggest issues non-Hamas Palestinians have with Israel. They're encroaching on the Palestinians and forcing them out. I agree that Hamas should stop firing rockets, but I doubt Israel would honestly stop beating the Palestinians to keep them in line.
 
2014-07-10 01:16:59 PM

Chris Ween: nekom: Alunan:
Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are accepting that absurd caricature of the situation, it still doesn't make it okay to inflict collective punishment and aparthatic laws on people based on their ethnicity and that's what Israel is doing. It's not okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

You're not wrong in the slightest, but at the same time it's fairly hard to defend Palestine for different reasons.  It's easy to understand their frustrations given the harsh situation imposed on them, but it's hard to defend a lot of their actions.  I can't find myself to root for either side, I wish the referees would just call the game.

You know when the younger brother keeps pushing the older bigger brother and then gets smacked down and complains about being smacked down? Same thing except with dead people.

I will also say that without the US leading a peace talk solution every few months that place will be like this forever


Then the older brother starts kicking the younger brother with the steel-toed boot provided by the teacher. All the while the older brother's best friend is whispering to the teacher about how the little brother is the real monster and we need more and better steel-toed boots to keep him in his place.

Let's avoid dumbing a highly complicated situation like this down to folksy analogies. The only simple thing about this situation is the ridiculously low ethical standards we hold Israel too in exchange for our support and aid, and how we should stop.
 
2014-07-10 01:18:01 PM

Alunan: I completely agree. However, a lot of people seem to instantly equate that not-defending Israel is somehow defending Hamas or Palestine. There needs to be an understanding that nothing can justify what Israel is doing, and since we are effectively supporting and providing aid to Israel, they need to be held to our standards. If that's not possible, then we need to stop supporting and aiding, and ideally isolate Israel. Just like Hamas.


Agreed. Hamas controls one portion of the Palestinian region (West Bank?) and they're mostly the assholes that keep firing rockets at Israel. The Palestinian government shouldn't necessarily welcomed Hamas back into the fold, but they need to have a unified Palestinian government, so it was a catch-22.
 
2014-07-10 01:23:16 PM

somedude210: Alunan: I completely agree. However, a lot of people seem to instantly equate that not-defending Israel is somehow defending Hamas or Palestine. There needs to be an understanding that nothing can justify what Israel is doing, and since we are effectively supporting and providing aid to Israel, they need to be held to our standards. If that's not possible, then we need to stop supporting and aiding, and ideally isolate Israel. Just like Hamas.

Agreed. Hamas controls one portion of the Palestinian region (West Bank?) and they're mostly the assholes that keep firing rockets at Israel. The Palestinian government shouldn't necessarily welcomed Hamas back into the fold, but they need to have a unified Palestinian government, so it was a catch-22.


Absolutely. Hence my above reference to a "fruitful peace process" or lack thereof. I don't really want to get into that today though. Today's lesson is that it's not okay to defend Israel anymore.
 
2014-07-10 01:26:00 PM
I understand and agree that Israel should give up building settlements, but they are building them in the West Bank, not Gaza. The Israelis have no settlements in Gaza, but that is where the rocket fire is coming from.
 
2014-07-10 01:35:30 PM
Well in the world where rockets=(settlement building)+(location) I can see where you would come to that conclusion. The real world is much more complicated however. It involves variables like economic repression, cross border kidnapping, embargoes, civil rights, and demolition of homes and refugee camps.
 
2014-07-10 01:38:24 PM

SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.


This is Fark.

Farklibs hate the Jews.

Oh,I'm sorry, they just hate Israeli Jews.
 
2014-07-10 01:45:48 PM

vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.


Agreed. They voted for the people that allow this to happen.

Just like the average US citizen gets blamed for the policies of the US government. Amarite?

Or is it different because... reasons?
 
2014-07-10 01:46:12 PM

Alunan: BravadoGT: Alunan: vpb: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Yes, everyone in the entire country cooperated on that one.

Exactly. When has collective punishment ever been okay by modern standards? israeli used the kidnapping to arrest hundreds of Palestinians and bulldoze their homes. Let that sink in for a second:

Israel bulldozed the homes of suspects.

Not convicted criminals. They did this within hours... While a Palestinian teen was burned to death, and they have six confessions, but all of those homes are still standing. A Florida teen May or may not have been throwing rocks with a slingshot, we don't have any hard evidence either way. What we do have evidence of is Israeli security officers beating him after he was subdued and in custody. All of these are human rights violations and evidence of systematic discrimination and racism. It's not okay.

Israel is the 'responsible' actor here. They hold all the marbles. Economically and militarily. If they really wanted to engage in a fruitful peace process they could, but they don't. Doesn't matter if there are terrorists on the otherside. That doesn't let you ignore human rights and apply the law subjectively. It certainly doesn't make collective punishment okay. None of this is okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

That's bullshiat.  There's no "fruitful peace process" to be had with Hamas.  They ARE the elected government in Gaza.  They are supported by the majority.   And they want nothing less than the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state.  It's in their charter, and they'll tell you just that every chance they have--unless they just chop your head off for being an American, of course.

Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are a ...


So, let Hamas lob missiles into civilian population centers and wait till they run out of munitions.

That's your solution, eh?

You are the problem.
 
2014-07-10 01:46:34 PM
Alunan:
I completely agree. However, a lot of people seem to instantly equate that not-defending Israel is somehow defending Hamas or Palestine. There needs to be an understanding that nothing can justify what Israel is doing, and since we are effectively supporting and providing aid to Israel, they need to be held to our standards. If that's not possible, then we need to stop supporting and aiding, and ideally isolate Israel. Just like Hamas.

Or worse yet, accuse you of being antisemitic because you don't blindly support the actions of Israel.  I condemn most of what best Korea does, but no one calls me a terrible person for that.  And I don't hate best Koreans either, I feel very sorry for them but I don't hate them.
 
2014-07-10 01:50:12 PM
The Palestinians are wonderful people.  Isreal, trying to avoid collateral damage, actually warns the people in the area of the terrorist' house they are about to destroy.  The PA government is telling their people not to leave but become martyrs so they can be used as propaganda.
 
2014-07-10 01:51:41 PM

SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.


Israelis kidnapped and burned a Palestinian teenager alive.

Yeah, real saints those Israelis.
 
2014-07-10 01:51:49 PM

BalugaJoe: Hold hands and sing koom ba ya.


I like "Hold hands and sing Kaboom Y'all"
 
2014-07-10 01:52:56 PM
G-d damnit, Israel, I did one of these threads yesterday... slow down.

nekom: vernonFL: Hamas should stop launching rockets at Israel.

You'd think by now they'd realize that it only brings disproportionate retaliation.  They are, however, a desperate people and the hatred spans many generations.  The cycle of violence will go on indefinitely.


Of course the people launching the rockets realize that. They plan on it. The disproportionate retaliation is their biggest recruitment drive.
 
2014-07-10 01:54:33 PM
I'm on the fence with the shiat that's going on over there, but the way I think about it is that Isreal is like this psychotic bully that can kick your ass.  As long as you leave it alone, it's all good. the moment you poke the bully with a sharp stick, all hell breaks loose.

So my advice would be, stop poking that farking bully.
 
2014-07-10 01:56:45 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: So, let Hamas lob missiles into civilian population centers and wait till they run out of munitions.

That's your solution, eh?

You are the problem.



Israel has isolated Gaza to the point where it's become a ghetto for over 1.5 million people and somehow we're surprised that an environment lacking in basic services and materials, where jobs are scarce because even basic materials like concrete can't be obtained, has given rise to extremist groups who, surprisingly enough, launch violent reprisals against those imposing these restrictions.

The problem is Israel's policy of confining Palestinians in ghettos.
 
2014-07-10 01:57:49 PM
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2014-07-10 01:57:50 PM

Prophet of Loss: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Israelis kidnapped and burned a Palestinian teenager alive.

Yeah, real saints those Israelis.


And the Israelis have already arrested six people who have now confessed and will put them on trial. Just as a point of reference how many people has Hamas arrested at this point?
 
2014-07-10 01:58:38 PM

Alunan: I completely agree. However, a lot of people seem to instantly equate that not-defending Israel is somehow defending Hamas or Palestine. There needs to be an understanding that nothing can justify what Israel is doing, and since we are effectively supporting and providing aid to Israel, they need to be held to our standards. If that's not possible, then we need to stop supporting and aiding, and ideally isolate Israel. Just like Hamas.


Yeah, I don't get it. Often these threads boil down to "but [some elements of] the Palestinians are so much worse." And of course they are. But Israel is held to a higher standard for that very reason. They're a Western democracy, a strong state with effective institutions. They should be above this.
 
2014-07-10 01:58:48 PM
At least the USA gave a pittance to the Native Americans when we took their land in the form of reservations. This very much a the same: a foreign people comes in and displaces and represses the indigenous population.

And, just like Americans, they say its 'God's will'. Americans called it 'Manifest Destiny'.
 
2014-07-10 01:59:30 PM

Alunan: nekom: Alunan:
Because they operate in a vacuum where this occurs? Even if Hamas was the soulless organization that created the lets-kill-Israel-movement independently and from thin air, even if we are accepting that absurd caricature of the situation, it still doesn't make it okay to inflict collective punishment and aparthatic laws on people based on their ethnicity and that's what Israel is doing. It's not okay. It's not okay to defend Israel anymore.

You're not wrong in the slightest, but at the same time it's fairly hard to defend Palestine for different reasons.  It's easy to understand their frustrations given the harsh situation imposed on them, but it's hard to defend a lot of their actions.  I can't find myself to root for either side, I wish the referees would just call the game.

I completely agree. However, a lot of people seem to instantly equate that not-defending Israel is somehow defending Hamas or Palestine. There needs to be an understanding that nothing can justify what Israel is doing, and since we are effectively supporting and providing aid to Israel, they need to be held to our standards. If that's not possible, then we need to stop supporting and aiding, and ideally isolate Israel. Just like Hamas.


Americans seem to have a general problem distinguishing between not supporting someone and supporting their opponents.
 
2014-07-10 01:59:53 PM
Move all Palastinians to Bevery Hills.
 
2014-07-10 02:00:10 PM

vernonFL: Hamas should stop launching rockets at Israel.


Israel should stop kicking Palestinians out of their homes
 
2014-07-10 02:00:43 PM
I generally support Israel, but that was really shiatty what they did the other day when they said that video of their thugs beating a kid was "biased".

Yeah, I'm sure the camera angles made your cops look worse and they were just giving that kid love taps and totally not beating him.
 
2014-07-10 02:00:48 PM

sdd2000: Prophet of Loss: SlothB77: Palestine kidnapped and killed those israeli teens before that.  and shot rockets into israel before as well.  but we just conveniently forget all that.

Israelis kidnapped and burned a Palestinian teenager alive.

Yeah, real saints those Israelis.

And the Israelis have already arrested six people who have now confessed and will put them on trial. Just as a point of reference how many people has Hamas arrested at this point?


Israel as undermined every government the Palestinians have tried to form. Its hard to police your own when you lack the most basic of resources.
 
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