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(Politico)   The Hobby Lobby ruling may have been terrible in that it set a precedent for giving companies the religious freedom to freely shove religion down your throat, but the Democrats see this as a way to save their asses in November   (politico.com) divider line 392
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2014-07-10 10:25:41 AM  
Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?
 
2014-07-10 10:30:37 AM  

Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?


Except that their definition of "embryo aborting pills" is based on nonsense they made up in their heads.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-10 10:37:19 AM  

Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout


They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.
 
2014-07-10 10:42:27 AM  

vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.


Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period
 
2014-07-10 10:49:32 AM  

Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?


That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.
 
2014-07-10 10:49:53 AM  

Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period


Do you truly believe that the Founding Fathers meant that phrase to apply to manufactured legal fictions?
 
2014-07-10 10:52:17 AM  

Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period


What about the religion of the employee?
 
2014-07-10 10:53:01 AM  

mrshowrules: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.


Yes they do.... I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.
 
2014-07-10 10:57:07 AM  

Tadpole: mrshowrules: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.

Yes they do.... I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.


IUDs only prevent the implantation of viable embryos if they're used as emergency contraception.  Otherwise they just make the uterus and Fallopian tube inhospitable to sperm.

I'm surprised you don't know that, being an MD and all.
 
2014-07-10 10:58:53 AM  
Work for Hobby Lobby or not... No one is forcing you. Why do liberal atheists always want to force others to accommodate them? Chick Filet prays at beginning of each shift, but they don't force you to participate. This isn't Left vs Right, this is Liberty vs Authoritarianism. Bill of Rights protects each of us From the Goverment. This is Freedom From, not Freedom to... Anything
 
2014-07-10 11:08:27 AM  

Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?


A corporation is defined by a charter that is endorsed and regulated by the state. Rights do not extend to it that are not defined by law. The US Constitution does not apply, because those rights belong to citizens of the US only, and a corporation is not a US Citizen as defined in the 14th Amendment. Thus the rights of individuals should always trump those of a corporation.
 
2014-07-10 11:09:33 AM  

Tadpole: Work for Hobby Lobby or not... No one is forcing you. Why do liberal atheists always want to force others to accommodate them? Chick Filet prays at beginning of each shift, but they don't force you to participate. This isn't Left vs Right, this is Liberty vs Authoritarianism. Bill of Rights protects each of us From the Goverment. This is Freedom From, not Freedom to... Anything


Because if there is one institution that is very much against actual freedom, it is religion.
 
2014-07-10 11:11:43 AM  

Tadpole: Work for Hobby Lobby or not... No one is forcing you. Why do liberal atheists always want to force others to accommodate them? Chick Filet prays at beginning of each shift, but they don't force you to participate. This isn't Left vs Right, this is Liberty vs Authoritarianism. Bill of Rights protects each of us From the Goverment. This is Freedom From, not Freedom to... Anything


Yes, this is a point of view. It's wrong, but it's a point of view.

If a doctor prescribes the pill to a snobby lobby employee, and it's for birth control or not, what business is it of the snobby lobby's management if she takes it? You right wing asswits love to preach "small government," but here you are defending a giant corporation's right to screw with a woman's prescription that a doctor gave to her.

But thats logic, and you right wing eff wits don't do that so well, so here's my comment for right wing trolls: You opened up a big time box o sh*t on this one. Most people don't agree with the position the Supreme Court just took. By the time this is done you're gonna wish snobby lobby had just left well enough alone. Obama's gonna require abortions for grandmas before this is over with. All on you, dumbasses, all on you.
 
2014-07-10 11:12:04 AM  

Tadpole: mrshowrules: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.

Yes they do.... I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.


You should turn in your medical license because neither Hormonal IUDs or Plan B does prevent implantation.
 
2014-07-10 11:15:21 AM  

James!: Tadpole: mrshowrules: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.

Yes they do.... I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.

IUDs only prevent the implantation of viable embryos if they're used as emergency contraception.  Otherwise they just make the uterus and Fallopian tube inhospitable to sperm.

I'm surprised you don't know that, being an MD and all.


More precisely, hormonal IUDs never prevent pregnancy after the egg has been fertilized.  Copper IUDs are another story but Hobby Lobby doesn't want to pay for either.
 
2014-07-10 11:20:09 AM  

mrshowrules: James!: Tadpole: mrshowrules: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.

Yes they do.... I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.

IUDs only prevent the implantation of viable embryos if they're used as emergency contraception.  Otherwise they just make the uterus and Fallopian tube inhospitable to sperm.

I'm surprised you don't know that, being an MD and all.

More precisely, hormonal IUDs never prevent pregnancy after the egg has been fertilized.  Copper IUDs are another story but Hobby Lobby doesn't want to pay for either.


We've gone beyond the point Isaac Asimov warned us about where "your ignorance is as valid as my knowledge." It's now "your ignorance is more valid than my knowledge as long as you really really believe it, even if it is demonstrably false."

As long as you have the right kind of superstition, of course. If I want to morally object to anything because it conflicts with my personal philosophy of right and wrong, it doesn't mean nearly as much as if I believed in a mythos to support it.
 
2014-07-10 11:21:41 AM  

Generation_D: snobby lobby


Oh, come on. You can do better than that. Try harder.
 
2014-07-10 11:22:08 AM  
Plan B also prevents fertilization and cannot prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg.
 
2014-07-10 11:30:31 AM  

Tadpole: Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions.


That was Monday, the day of the ruling.

The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.
The justices did not comment in leaving in place lower court rulings in favor of businesses that object to covering all 20 methods of government-approved contraception. [...]

The justices also ordered lower courts that ruled in favor of the Obama administration to reconsider those decisions in light of Monday's 5-4 decision.


So it's not just four contraceptive devices. It applies to ALL contraception.

I'll remind you of this in the next thread when you once again claim that it's only four.
 
2014-07-10 11:35:19 AM  
and americans are forced to work for these companies now, right?  No.
and americans are forced to buy products or services from these companies no, right?  no.

don't like it?  don't do business with those companies.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-07-10 11:35:50 AM  

Tadpole: I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.


Do I understand correctly that formed is past tense and forming is a process that does not show completion? Is that covered in med school? Your argument is that the process is completed therefore the items prevent the process from completing?
 
2014-07-10 11:35:50 AM  

Tadpole: mrshowrules: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

That is just false.  They are refusing to cover at least two contraception prescriptions that don't abort anything.  Plan B and hormonal IUDs do not abort fertilized eggs.

Yes they do.... I'm an MD. Embryos are formed before implantation. Those items abort viable forming embryos.


web.mst.edu
 
2014-07-10 11:36:05 AM  

Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period


I need human sacrifices for my religion.
 
2014-07-10 11:36:28 AM  

Tadpole: Work for Hobby Lobby or not... No one is forcing you. Why do liberal atheists always want to force others to accommodate them? Chick Filet prays at beginning of each shift, but they don't force you to participate. This isn't Left vs Right, this is Liberty vs Authoritarianism. Bill of Rights protects each of us From the Goverment. This is Freedom From, not Freedom to... Anything


This is trolling we haven't seen in some time. Nicely done!
 
2014-07-10 11:38:23 AM  

SurfaceTension: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

A corporation is defined by a charter that is endorsed and regulated by the state. Rights do not extend to it that are not defined by law. The US Constitution does not apply, because those rights belong to citizens of the US only, and a corporation is not a US Citizen as defined in the 14th Amendment. Thus the rights of individuals should always trump those of a corporation.


You would think a self described libertarian would not need that explained to him.
 
2014-07-10 11:38:33 AM  

Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period


Is that from some other Constitution? The actual First Amendment says something else.
 
2014-07-10 11:38:34 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Tadpole: Work for Hobby Lobby or not... No one is forcing you. Why do liberal atheists always want to force others to accommodate them? Chick Filet prays at beginning of each shift, but they don't force you to participate. This isn't Left vs Right, this is Liberty vs Authoritarianism. Bill of Rights protects each of us From the Goverment. This is Freedom From, not Freedom to... Anything

This is trolling we haven't seen in some time. Nicely done!


Just you wait til he grows up into a full-grown Freedom Frog. Then you'll really see fireworks.
 
2014-07-10 11:40:08 AM  
LIBERAL ATHEISTS lol
 
2014-07-10 11:40:08 AM  

Lando Lincoln: So it's not just four contraceptive devices. It applies to ALL contraception.


This bears repeating. Again and again.
 
2014-07-10 11:40:31 AM  

sammyk: SurfaceTension: Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?

A corporation is defined by a charter that is endorsed and regulated by the state. Rights do not extend to it that are not defined by law. The US Constitution does not apply, because those rights belong to citizens of the US only, and a corporation is not a US Citizen as defined in the 14th Amendment. Thus the rights of individuals should always trump those of a corporation.

You would think a self described libertarian would not need that explained to him.


You would also think that a self described MD would not need basic medical knowledge explained to him by drunks on the internet.
 
2014-07-10 11:41:01 AM  

SurfaceTension: and a corporation is not a US Citizen as defined in the 14th Amendment.


You sure about that?

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

1 USC 1:
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise-

the words "person" and "whoever" include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals;
 
2014-07-10 11:41:08 AM  
This is a decent move to increase turnout amoungst women, especially young unmarried women.  Of course the bill in question will never pass (probably it won't even be brought up for a vote by the Republican leadership in the House).
 
2014-07-10 11:41:44 AM  

James!: Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period

What about the religion of the employee?


Well, those employees are certainly free to practice their religion and pray and thump people over the head with their Bibles or whatever the hell they want to do.
 
2014-07-10 11:42:21 AM  

Geotpf: This is a decent move to increase turnout amoungst women, especially young unmarried women.  Of course the bill in question will never pass (probably it won't even be brought up for a vote by the Republican leadership in the House).


Sure, but then they can fundraise on that, too.
 
2014-07-10 11:42:38 AM  

SlothB77: and americans are forced to work for these companies now, right?  No.
and americans are forced to buy products or services from these companies no, right?  no.

don't like it?  don't do business with those companies.


were the owners forced to start a company?  No.

don't like it? don't start a company.

/that stupid argument goes both ways
//mine just as stupid as yours
///threes
 
2014-07-10 11:43:22 AM  
I didn't read TFA and I haven't followed this too closely so correct me if I am wrong. As I understand it Obama, via executive order, declared that non-profit religious organizations don't have to pay for contraceptives, that the insurance company had to foot the bill and not charge it back. He could do the same for Hobby Lobby and the wood company that sued (although Hobby Lobby self insures so I am not sure what would happen there) but he wont because it makes this issue disappear. This way the Democrats can bang this drum all campaign season.

If the above is accurate I think it is brilliant political strategy.
 
2014-07-10 11:43:25 AM  

Tadpole: Family Businesses that reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout to the NRA, now would you?


Except where they provided 23 of 23 before it was a closely-held religious belief that a blah president should not be able to tell corporations they have to pay for healthcare. And invested in the manufacturers of same! And where the Supreme Court released an "oh wait, we forgot" press release the day after the judgment where they explained they meant for it to apply broadly - that is, to all birth control.

And if you call them abortion pills you don't understand shiat about shiat.
 
2014-07-10 11:43:57 AM  
Yes, it will mobilize more people for the dems, but, the amount of damage that is done by this ruling, even a clean sweep in November will not even begin to cover it.
 
2014-07-10 11:44:37 AM  

SlothB77: and americans are forced to work for these companies now, right?  No.
and americans are forced to buy products or services from these companies no, right?  no.


And Americans are forced to create fictional entities which give special protections to their owners, right? No.

It's time to rethink the idea of corporations and how they fit into our economy and society.
 
2014-07-10 11:45:04 AM  

Needlessly Complicated: James!: Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period

What about the religion of the employee?

Well, those employees are certainly free to practice their religion and pray and thump people over the head with their Bibles or whatever the hell they want to do.


Not at their place if work though, that would be a firin' offence.
 
2014-07-10 11:45:22 AM  

SlothB77: and americans are forced to work for these companies now, right?  No.
and americans are forced to buy products or services from these companies no, right?  no.

don't like it?  don't do business with those companies.


Corporate entities exist to separate owners from the business.

Corporations don't have souls. They don't attend church. They don't burn in Hell. They can't get into Heaven.

If you aren't able to run a business that has to abide by rules that you believe violate your religious beliefs, then you should not run a business.
 
2014-07-10 11:45:55 AM  

vpb: They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.


I know you spend a lot of time thinking about how to force people to do things they don't want to do using government, but in the private sector employment is still voluntary and compensation is still negotiable.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-07-10 11:46:04 AM  

jst3p: I didn't read TFA and I haven't followed this too closely so correct me if I am wrong. As I understand it Obama, via executive order, declared that non-profit religious organizations don't have to pay for contraceptives, that the insurance company had to foot the bill and not charge it back. He could do the same for Hobby Lobby and the wood company that sued (although Hobby Lobby self insures so I am not sure what would happen there) but he wont because it makes this issue disappear. This way the Democrats can bang this drum all campaign season.

If the above is accurate I think it is brilliant political strategy.


Are you sure it's brilliant? I hear he's a total dumbass and too stupid to do anything right.
 
2014-07-10 11:46:35 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: SurfaceTension: and a corporation is not a US Citizen as defined in the 14th Amendment.

You sure about that?

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

1 USC 1:
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise-

the words "person" and "whoever" include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals;


Great. The religious beliefs are still the owners', not the corporation's.
 
2014-07-10 11:46:46 AM  

Tadpole: abortions or embryo Aborting Pills


stop lying
 
2014-07-10 11:48:03 AM  
neither plan B nor the IUD are capable of preventing a fertilized egg from implanting

I hope this helps

namaste
 
2014-07-10 11:48:06 AM  
Tadpole: Those items abort viable forming embryos.

So the fark what? If it's against your personal religious belief, don't use them, but don't fark with people's insurance coverage. It's pretty farking simple.
 
2014-07-10 11:48:58 AM  
my god I wish the fark terms of service allowed me to honestly express what I feel about people who continue to lie about plan B and the IUD
 
2014-07-10 11:49:07 AM  

Tadpole: Work for Hobby Lobby or not... No one is forcing you. Why do liberal atheists always want to force others to accommodate them? Chick Filet prays at beginning of each shift, but they don't force you to participate. This isn't Left vs Right, this is Liberty vs Authoritarianism. Bill of Rights protects each of us From the Goverment. This is Freedom From, not Freedom to... Anything


So much this. If you don't want your boss to be able to make decisions in regards to your own life, GTFO 'merikuh. They're your boss and are smarter than you. If anything, be thankful they aren't charging any fees to make these decisions for you.
 
2014-07-10 11:49:08 AM  

Tadpole: vpb: Tadpole: reflect the Family's Morals should be expected. Their insurance policies provide 16 of 23 birth control prescriptions. They do not cover abortions or embryo Aborting Pills. If you built a large corporation, you obviously wouldn't want a forced payout

They can reflect their morals all they want, but they shouldn't be able to force their employees to follow their teachings or be able to short them on their compensation because of it.

Paying for required healthcare isn't anything like donating money to a political organization.

Amendment :
CONGRESS shall enact NO LAW abridging the PRACTICE AND FREE EXPRESSION OF RELIGION. Period


So if my religion dictates that its practitioners be naked at all times, it's totally cool to hang out at the park naked, right?
 
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