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(TechEBlog)   What can seat 14 marines and doesn't need a pilot?   (techeblog.com) divider line 54
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2014-07-10 12:53:10 AM  
The Partridge Family tour bus?
The Disneyland teacup ride?
The Pony-Go-Round at the county fair?
A proctologist's waiting room?
A Chinese acrobat's unicycle?
 
2014-07-10 12:55:59 AM  
C'mon, everyone. Say it with me:

YOUR MOM!
 
2014-07-10 01:01:51 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
/Duh.
 
2014-07-10 07:13:18 AM  
your mom. duh.
 
2014-07-10 07:40:23 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x427]
/Duh.


I only count 10 holes.  So who has to double up?
 
2014-07-10 07:47:39 AM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x427]
/Duh.

I only count 10 holes.  So who has to double up?


that would be the privates.
 
2014-07-10 08:29:20 AM  
Jetblue should do this.
 
2014-07-10 08:30:20 AM  

elvisaintdead: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x427]
/Duh.

I only count 10 holes.  So who has to double up?

that would be the privates.


He really liked to stroke those privates.
 
2014-07-10 08:35:42 AM  
Four bar stools?  And two seats leftover.
 
2014-07-10 08:43:32 AM  
Wait I know this one... A submarine?
 
2014-07-10 08:45:23 AM  
I count 16 and see two pilots,
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-10 08:46:51 AM  
 
2014-07-10 08:50:23 AM  
What if, huh?
What if they build these stupid things fifty years ago, saving us tens of billions of dollars and resolving all these problems from the start.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
We've been doing the coaxial rotor thing for ages, and while there's been incremental improvements they still haven't done much thats revolutionary.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com

The technology more or less peaked here and adding a robot pilot won't scrounge up the extra hundred kts you need to enter the fixed wing arena.
 
2014-07-10 09:05:45 AM  
Sulaco dropship?
 
2014-07-10 09:17:28 AM  
A dining table and chairs?
 
2014-07-10 09:21:34 AM  
Finally gonna Cap Drop those apes directly in to combat?
 
2014-07-10 09:23:01 AM  
i291.photobucket.com

SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS!
 
2014-07-10 09:23:50 AM  
Doesn't need a pilot? Well, strictly speaking that may in fact be true...since it requires TWO pilots.

static.squarespace.com
 
2014-07-10 09:35:42 AM  
A truck.
 
2014-07-10 09:47:33 AM  
As someone above said, plenty of these concepts have been developed.  The issue has always been logistical, political, and economical.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-07-10 09:48:33 AM  

Muzzleloader: A truck.


Ha.
 
2014-07-10 09:51:52 AM  
I am sure the political lobby of Bell, Boeing and Sikorsky would have something to say.
 
2014-07-10 09:54:29 AM  

way south: What if, huh?
What if they build these stupid things fifty years ago, saving us tens of billions of dollars and resolving all these problems from the start.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 800x600]
We've been doing the coaxial rotor thing for ages, and while there's been incremental improvements they still haven't done much thats revolutionary.


[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x320]

The technology more or less peaked here and adding a robot pilot won't scrounge up the extra hundred kts you need to enter the fixed wing arena.


The XC-142 was an incredible airplane.  I was very sad that it never became mainstream.  The videos of it in action are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8GjdFLoAI
 
2014-07-10 09:57:52 AM  

maverickzy: As someone above said, plenty of these concepts have been developed.  The issue has always been logistical, political, and economical.  Good luck with that.


90% political. from what I've seen.

The people who build these machines can do better, and they probably know it.
When you're forced to meet a poorly thought out list of demands with suppliers in specific congressional districts, all decided by the unseen hands of politicians pushing for the most personally profitable solution, the end result is an abomination of cost overruns and lacking capabilities.

Often times the solution we need is already sitting in a museum, but congress would rather spend ten times as much money with the wrong suppliers than get what's needed from the right ones.

Its going to take a situation where our necks are actually on the line to bring the good stuff to the fore.
 
2014-07-10 10:12:25 AM  

Stone Meadow: Doesn't need a pilot? Well, strictly speaking that may in fact be true...since it requires TWO pilots.

[static.squarespace.com image 850x485]


I've been working on a design that holds *WAY* more people:

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-10 10:22:44 AM  

Discordulator: Finally gonna Cap Drop those apes directly in to combat?


remember Buenos Aires
 
2014-07-10 10:39:24 AM  
Mike Hawk.
 
2014-07-10 10:40:44 AM  
Not the first chopper with a propeller, either.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-10 11:01:36 AM  
Ripley: How many drops for you is this, lieutenant?
Gorman: Thirty-eight. Simulated.
Vasquez: How many  combat drops?
Gorman: Uh, two. Including this one.
Drake: Shiat.
 
2014-07-10 11:10:15 AM  
Am I missing the whole "doesn't need a pilot" part? Or is subby drunk?
 
2014-07-10 11:10:25 AM  

maverickzy: way south: What if, huh?
What if they build these stupid things fifty years ago, saving us tens of billions of dollars and resolving all these problems from the start.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 800x600]
We've been doing the coaxial rotor thing for ages, and while there's been incremental improvements they still haven't done much thats revolutionary.


[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x320]

The technology more or less peaked here and adding a robot pilot won't scrounge up the extra hundred kts you need to enter the fixed wing arena.

The XC-142 was an incredible airplane.  I was very sad that it never became mainstream.  The videos of it in action are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8GjdFLoAI


I see an Osprey with smaller rotors so it can land like a conventional airplane if they choose to. Is there something else I'm missing? Otherwise, it seems to me that it did become mainstream, just in a modified setup, which happens to pretty much all vehicles.
 
2014-07-10 11:14:12 AM  
OMG, it comes with a 6000 ft hoagie! That would feed the entire squadron for a month!
 
2014-07-10 11:19:31 AM  

way south: Its going to take a situation where our necks are actually on the line to bring the good stuff to the fore.


Sadly, I doubt an actual war would decrease the amount of graft and profiteering.
 
2014-07-10 11:26:26 AM  

maverickzy: As someone above said, plenty of these concepts have been developed.  The issue has always been logistical, political, and economical.  Good luck with that.


$$$$$ X $$$$$ = your taxes will go up; and there will be a 10 yr extended delay; plus the engines will be built by 2 different firms to spread your moolah around to more lobbyists and Pols...

See: F-35 boondoggle if you think I am wrong.
PS:  Still shot down by 2 16 yr olds with AK-47's, rocks, and an RPG-7!
PSS: or blown up by mortars when parked on the tarmac without Hesco Revetments... see USMC AV-8 attack losses at Camp Bastion!
PSSS: oh, and the software will be hacked by chinese PLA hackers, because the motherboards were sourced to a chinese manufacturer who installed back door bugs!
 
2014-07-10 11:41:40 AM  
Subby's Mom.

/They offered me sloppy 15ths, but I declined.
 
2014-07-10 11:44:51 AM  

Mikey1969: maverickzy: way south: What if, huh?
What if they build these stupid things fifty years ago, saving us tens of billions of dollars and resolving all these problems from the start.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 800x600]
We've been doing the coaxial rotor thing for ages, and while there's been incremental improvements they still haven't done much thats revolutionary.


[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x320]

The technology more or less peaked here and adding a robot pilot won't scrounge up the extra hundred kts you need to enter the fixed wing arena.

The XC-142 was an incredible airplane.  I was very sad that it never became mainstream.  The videos of it in action are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8GjdFLoAI

I see an Osprey with smaller rotors so it can land like a conventional airplane if they choose to. Is there something else I'm missing? Otherwise, it seems to me that it did become mainstream, just in a modified setup, which happens to pretty much all vehicles.




It reportedly had higher speed and longer range than the osprey, and this was in the era before computerized flight control or composite materials.
The military canned if for being "too powerful" or some such bullshiat.

/it was difficult to fly, but a flight computer could easily fix that now.
/heavy aircraft generate larger downforce. That's just physics.
/would've been extremely handy to have a few during the Iranian hostage crisis.
/instead we used that as reasoning to invest in the osprey, which was built by a contractor closer to our political heart.
 
2014-07-10 12:35:14 PM  
I've seen this image dozens of times now, and every time, I think the same thing: "It looks like a guinea pig."
 
2014-07-10 12:36:37 PM  
I'm going to chime in and say that SUBBY is either drunk, stupid, or both. I read nothing about "doesn't need a pilot".
 
2014-07-10 12:42:42 PM  

way south: It reportedly had higher speed and longer range than the osprey, and this was in the era before computerized flight control or composite materials.
The military canned if for being "too powerful" or some such bullshiat.

/it was difficult to fly, but a flight computer could easily fix that now.
/heavy aircraft generate larger downforce. That's just physics.
/would've been extremely handy to have a few during the Iranian hostage crisis.
/instead we used that as reasoning to invest in the osprey, which was built by a contractor closer to our political heart.


I think the Osprey is a pretty awesome plane, it just got rolled out before it was ready for Prime Time. I think the problem is that there is nothing providing lift while they're switching from 'plane' mode to 'helicopter' mode(Yeah, I know there's a sexier term for it.), I would say that this plane's ability to land like a normal airplane fixes that issue.

And yeah, that's pretty impressive for something older. No computers and made out of heavier materials, that's cool in anyone's book, being able to fly that effectively with something that radical.
 
2014-07-10 01:14:51 PM  
That is one ugly thingy.
 
2014-07-10 01:20:33 PM  

Mikey1969: I see an Osprey with smaller rotors so it can land like a conventional airplane if they choose to. Is there something else I'm missing? Otherwise, it seems to me that it did become mainstream, just in a modified setup, which happens to pretty much all vehicles.


That's not an unfair description of it, but I think the main reason you could look at the C-142 wishfully is that if it had been developed beyond the prototype stage, tilt-rotor S/VTOL technology would've had a couple more decades to mature by now. It was chock full of the same kinds of issues that troubled the Osprey.
 
2014-07-10 01:25:50 PM  

Mikey1969: way south: It reportedly had higher speed and longer range than the osprey, and this was in the era before computerized flight control or composite materials.
The military canned if for being "too powerful" or some such bullshiat.

/it was difficult to fly, but a flight computer could easily fix that now.
/heavy aircraft generate larger downforce. That's just physics.
/would've been extremely handy to have a few during the Iranian hostage crisis.
/instead we used that as reasoning to invest in the osprey, which was built by a contractor closer to our political heart.

I think the Osprey is a pretty awesome plane, it just got rolled out before it was ready for Prime Time. I think the problem is that there is nothing providing lift while they're switching from 'plane' mode to 'helicopter' mode(Yeah, I know there's a sexier term for it.), I would say that this plane's ability to land like a normal airplane fixes that issue.

And yeah, that's pretty impressive for something older. No computers and made out of heavier materials, that's cool in anyone's book, being able to fly that effectively with something that radical.


Vortex ring stall, I think it was.

A condition where she transitions from fixed wing flight back to helicopter mode at too high a speed, which might have been resolved with a large spoiler surface... Like maybe the wing itself?
Remove weight, add computers and more efficient engines, the tilt wings would blow the doors off other VTOL transports.

/there were many other problems with the transmission and hydraulics in the v-22.
/much as I love the osprey, the first batch were designed poorly and built shoddily.
/not being able to do what it's forefather did, with more complex parts and new technology at its disposal, is just shameful.
 
2014-07-10 01:36:59 PM  

costermonger: Mikey1969: I see an Osprey with smaller rotors so it can land like a conventional airplane if they choose to. Is there something else I'm missing? Otherwise, it seems to me that it did become mainstream, just in a modified setup, which happens to pretty much all vehicles.

That's not an unfair description of it, but I think the main reason you could look at the C-142 wishfully is that if it had been developed beyond the prototype stage, tilt-rotor S/VTOL technology would've had a couple more decades to mature by now. It was chock full of the same kinds of issues that troubled the Osprey.


I couldn't agree more. there are a lot of things that I wish people had been able to develop when they were first conceived/designed. Between that and petty pissing contests between nations(and sometimes research labs and schools), we would probably be able to teleport to other dimensions by now.

way south: Vortex ring stall, I think it was.

A condition where she transitions from fixed wing flight back to helicopter mode at too high a speed, which might have been resolved with a large spoiler surface... Like maybe the wing itself?
Remove weight, add computers and more efficient engines, the tilt wings would blow the doors off other VTOL transports.

/there were many other problems with the transmission and hydraulics in the v-22.
/much as I love the osprey, the first batch were designed poorly and built shoddily.
/not being able to do what it's forefather did, with more complex parts and new technology at its disposal, is just shameful.


Exactly. They fixed them now, but I always figured it was because they rushed the fark out of the system.
 
2014-07-10 01:52:07 PM  
What the hell are the marines doing in a helicopter, anyway? They belong in boats.
 
2014-07-10 02:08:51 PM  

Mikey1969: I think the problem is that there is nothing providing lift while they're switching from 'plane' mode to 'helicopter' mode


If you get a chance to watch an Osprey transition from helicopter to plane, there is plenty of lift. They can continue climbing during the transition. The main problem the Osprey has was the Vortex Ring State, a problem any helicopter can have. They did a whole bunch of testing to figure out the nature of the Osprey's VRS , developed a warning system, and trained the pilots on it.
 
2014-07-10 02:14:26 PM  

way south: Vortex ring stall, I think it was.

A condition where she transitions from fixed wing flight back to helicopter mode at too high a speed, which might have been resolved with a large spoiler surface... Like maybe the wing itself?


Kind of close. It was Vortex Ring State, caused by descending rapidly with little forward velocity. The craft sinks into its own vortex and loses lift. It is something that can happen to any helicopter. It just takes some experimenting to figure out the details, and then it basically becomes a training problem.
 
2014-07-10 02:29:11 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Mikey1969: I think the problem is that there is nothing providing lift while they're switching from 'plane' mode to 'helicopter' mode

If you get a chance to watch an Osprey transition from helicopter to plane, there is plenty of lift. They can continue climbing during the transition. The main problem the Osprey has was the Vortex Ring State, a problem any helicopter can have. They did a whole bunch of testing to figure out the nature of the Osprey's VRS , developed a warning system, and trained the pilots on it.


I'd love to see that. So far the coolest thing I saw was a Harrier landing maybe 50 yards away when I was in Yuma once. Never heard a farking plane that was so loud. The Osprey kind of fascinates me, just because it's so unique...
 
2014-07-10 04:26:07 PM  

Mikey1969: maverickzy: way south: What if, huh?
What if they build these stupid things fifty years ago, saving us tens of billions of dollars and resolving all these problems from the start.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 800x600]
We've been doing the coaxial rotor thing for ages, and while there's been incremental improvements they still haven't done much thats revolutionary.


[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x320]

The technology more or less peaked here and adding a robot pilot won't scrounge up the extra hundred kts you need to enter the fixed wing arena.

The XC-142 was an incredible airplane.  I was very sad that it never became mainstream.  The videos of it in action are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8GjdFLoAI

I see an Osprey with smaller rotors so it can land like a conventional airplane if they choose to. Is there something else I'm missing? Otherwise, it seems to me that it did become mainstream, just in a modified setup, which happens to pretty much all vehicles.


The Osprey has a tilt rotor configuration, while the XC-142 has a tilt wing configuration.  The tilt wing setup allows you to take advantage of the propeller slipstream flowing over the wings at 0 speed to generate lift at various angles and low forward speeds, in addition to the vectored thrust from the propellers.  More bang for your propulsion bang.  This has major effects on pitch control, but as someone else said, that could be corrected with computer controllers.
 
2014-07-10 04:47:34 PM  
img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-07-10 05:54:06 PM  

maverickzy: The Osprey has a tilt rotor configuration, while the XC-142 has a tilt wing configuration.  The tilt wing setup allows you to take advantage of the propeller slipstream flowing over the wings at 0 speed to generate lift at various angles and low forward speeds, in addition to the vectored thrust from the propellers.  More bang for your propulsion bang.  This has major effects on pitch control, but as someone else said, that could be corrected with computer controllers.


With tilt wing designs you can also still use the traditional flight controls to a degree. The ailerons on the XC-142 were able to provide yaw control while in vertical mode because they were aligned with the slipstream from the props. Seems like an elegant solution to that problem, but I am no engineer.
 
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