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2014-07-09 09:16:28 PM  

Giltric: BSABSVR: If there's a way to permanently kill the sex drive of a 17 year old boy, a national conversation as to whether a bunch of police should look at his medically induced boner is probably it.

What if the kid has a mental breakdown and cant have normal relationships and this event turns him into an actual predator?


The girl's mother, police and the DA will use that as proof that he was a ticking time bomb of course.
 
2014-07-09 09:16:52 PM  

nyseattitude: Ivan the Tolerable: What I find even more troubling here is that teen girl first sexts teen boyfriend, and no charges for her. But when teen boyfriend sexts back, prosecution as an 'adult' for creating 'child porn' by taking a pic of his own dick, with prison terms and life as a sexual predator for 'exploiting' his 'child' self by his 'adult' self.

/so why isn't the girl in prison too?

I don't think that is the case.
The case was dismissed, but police immediately obtained new charges and also a search warrant for his home. Police also arrested the teen and took him to juvenile jail, where Foster said they took photos of the teen's genitals against his will.

I don't know what the new charges are.

I'd like to know why the police so hell bent on ruining this kids life.


I would bet my last dollar Little Princess' parents are connected.
 
2014-07-09 09:17:26 PM  
told her that her client must either plead guilty or police would obtain another search warrant "for pictures of his erect penis," for comparison to the evidence from the teen's cell phone. Foster asked how that would be accomplished and was told that "we just take him down to the hospital, give him a shot and then take the pictures that we need."

Two questions for the Fark Lawyer Brigade:

1.  Isn't a search warrant only for things that currently exist?  Can it be used for things yet to be produced?  Can it be used to manufacture evidence?

2.  Can a court order that a foreign substance be injected into a person's body for things other than medicinal purposes?  Can it order surgery to remove a finger to take pictures of the hand with only three fingers to compare against another picture of a hand with three fingers to see it is the same hand?
 
2014-07-09 09:18:56 PM  

BSABSVR: Giltric: BSABSVR: If there's a way to permanently kill the sex drive of a 17 year old boy, a national conversation as to whether a bunch of police should look at his medically induced boner is probably it.

What if the kid has a mental breakdown and cant have normal relationships and this event turns him into an actual predator?

The girl's mother, police and the DA will use that as proof that he was a ticking time bomb of course.


HA! No doubt.
 
2014-07-09 09:19:50 PM  

asmodeus224: sounds like the sender is black sending picts to a white girl...just guessing...prove me wrong, virginia....prove me wrong!


Read upthread. Since you can't seem to do that, I'll give you the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2686387/Police-want-photograp h -boy-17-state-arousal-giving-INJECTION-prove-sent-explicit-video-girlf riend-15-child-pornography-case.html

and another link upthread http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/police-have-a-warrant-to-see-te e nagers-erection-in-sexting-c

Take your racial bullshiat somewhere else.
 
2014-07-09 09:21:29 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Two questions for the Fark Lawyer Brigade:

1.  Isn't a search warrant only for things that currently exist?  Can it be used for things yet to be produced?  Can it be used to manufacture evidence?

2.  Can a court order that a foreign substance be injected into a person's body for things other than medicinal purposes?  Can it order surgery to remove a finger to take pictures of the hand with only three fingers to compare against another picture of a hand with three fingers to see it is the same hand?


I am not a lawyer, but it is not hard to see that courts and prosecutors will do whatever they want unless called on it by people with pockets deep enough to fight it.
 
2014-07-09 09:22:53 PM  

oh_please: asmodeus224: sounds like the sender is black sending picts to a white girl...just guessing...prove me wrong, virginia....prove me wrong!

Read upthread. Since you can't seem to do that, I'll give you the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2686387/Police-want-photograp h -boy-17-state-arousal-giving-INJECTION-prove-sent-explicit-video-girlf riend-15-child-pornography-case.html

and another link upthread http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/police-have-a-warrant-to-see-te e nagers-erection-in-sexting-c

Take your racial bullshiat somewhere else.


I would show trey's aunt Stacy my erection.
 
2014-07-09 09:22:56 PM  

Kalashinator: No ITG comments yet? Ok.

If I'm in the 17-year old's shoes, does some Manassas City cop really want to be murdered while attempting to force a minor to have an erection and manufacture child pornography?  And does the prosecutor who pushed for it and the judge who signed the warrant really want to facilitate all that?

/end ITG
//I hate needles THAT much
///almost as much as sexual assault


Want to know where that injection goes? No, you probably don't.

http://www.urologicalcare.com/other-ed-treatments/penile-injection-the rapy/

Any body want to lay odds on white girl/black guy?
 
2014-07-09 09:23:01 PM  

ko_kyi: Igor Jakovsky: Yeah, i was going to ask why only the guy was charged and not the girl if they were both minors?

The answer, while as obvious as the nose on your face, makes some people uncomfortable.  I've heard of cases where a 15 year old boy knocked up a 17 year old girl and got prosecuted for it.


I have no nose...lost it in a motorboat accident

But seriously the length the prosecutors are going to score on this case is gross.
 
2014-07-09 09:23:09 PM  
Well, cell phone data is private now. I suppose being a minor it would take his guardian aunt's permission, or a warrant of course. In fairness to the system, laws have a hard time keeping up with technology. Crap, I looked at centerfolds in the woods behind my house as a youth.Sexting is a new phenomena. Hopefully the courts will have some commonsense in developing laws to deal with horney adventurous teens.
 
2014-07-09 09:25:13 PM  
i817.photobucket.com

Maybe the kid thought he was Batman?
 
2014-07-09 09:25:23 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: told her that her client must either plead guilty or police would obtain another search warrant "for pictures of his erect penis," for comparison to the evidence from the teen's cell phone. Foster asked how that would be accomplished and was told that "we just take him down to the hospital, give him a shot and then take the pictures that we need."

Two questions for the Fark Lawyer Brigade:

1.  Isn't a search warrant only for things that currently exist?  Can it be used for things yet to be produced?  Can it be used to manufacture evidence?

2.  Can a court order that a foreign substance be injected into a person's body for things other than medicinal purposes?  Can it order surgery to remove a finger to take pictures of the hand with only three fingers to compare against another picture of a hand with three fingers to see it is the same hand?


Good questions. This whole ordeal is farked. Sounds like the very basic premise of entrapment honestly and I hope they try this angle as the defense.
 
2014-07-09 09:25:39 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Kalashinator: No ITG comments yet? Ok.

If I'm in the 17-year old's shoes, does some Manassas City cop really want to be murdered while attempting to force a minor to have an erection and manufacture child pornography?  And does the prosecutor who pushed for it and the judge who signed the warrant really want to facilitate all that?

/end ITG
//I hate needles THAT much
///almost as much as sexual assault

Want to know where that injection goes? No, you probably don't.

http://www.urologicalcare.com/other-ed-treatments/penile-injection-th e rapy/

Any body want to lay odds on white girl/black guy?


Read upthread. He's a white guy. Quit being a racist asshole.
 
2014-07-09 09:26:23 PM  
www.hecklerspray.com
 
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2014-07-09 09:28:34 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: 1. Isn't a search warrant only for things that currently exist? Can it be used for things yet to be produced? Can it be used to manufacture evidence?

2. Can a court order that a foreign substance be injected into a person's body for things other than medicinal purposes? Can it order surgery to remove a finger to take pictures of the hand with only three fingers to compare against another picture of a hand with three fingers to see it is the same hand?


Sure, we do it with the death penalty.
 
2014-07-09 09:29:07 PM  
So let me get this straight: Someone pissing on the side of a highway, hundreds of miles from the nearest rest stop can be labeled a sex offender, yet police strapping down a 17 year old, forcing him to get a boner, and snapping pictures of it is considered a-ok?

Counter-sue the police for manufacture of child pornography. Bring the whole farkin' diseased, corrupt temple down on their heads. It'll be Biblical.
 
2014-07-09 09:30:28 PM  

oh_please: Lamberts Ho Man: Kalashinator: No ITG comments yet? Ok.

If I'm in the 17-year old's shoes, does some Manassas City cop really want to be murdered while attempting to force a minor to have an erection and manufacture child pornography?  And does the prosecutor who pushed for it and the judge who signed the warrant really want to facilitate all that?

/end ITG
//I hate needles THAT much
///almost as much as sexual assault

Want to know where that injection goes? No, you probably don't.

http://www.urologicalcare.com/other-ed-treatments/penile-injection-th e rapy/

Any body want to lay odds on white girl/black guy?

Read upthread. He's a white guy. Quit being a racist asshole.


So if I say Obama should be impeached for whatever XYZ, and someone comes along and says I am only saying that because Obama is black, does that make them the racist?

If anything the farkers suggesting the male involved might be black are almost calling the mother the racist in this scenario.

Maybe you've watered down racist to mean everything but in actuality it makes it mean nothing.
 
2014-07-09 09:30:58 PM  

muddythinker: The county prosecutor, Ebert, has a terrible reputation.  Seriously, he's been nominated for Worst Prosecutor of the Year several times.  http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/02/the-2011-worst-prosecutor-of-th e -year-award/


From your link

Jackson's 57-page memorandum opinion is scathing in its findings of prosecutorial misbehavior by Ebert and his assistant, Richard A. Conway. Conduct evidently included choreographing and coordinating witness testimony, withholding tapes of witness interviews from the defense, and knowingly allowing false testimony to be introduced at trial.

How the hell does this guy still have a job and isn't rotting in a prison cell??
 
2014-07-09 09:31:41 PM  
So are they taking pics of the girl's vagina to compare to the pics she sent the boy?
 
2014-07-09 09:32:25 PM  

FuzedBox: So let me get this straight: Someone pissing on the side of a highway, hundreds of miles from the nearest rest stop can be labeled a sex offender, yet police strapping down a 17 year old, forcing him to get a boner, and snapping pictures of it is considered a-ok?

Counter-sue the police for manufacture of child pornography. Bring the whole farkin' diseased, corrupt temple down on their heads. It'll be Biblical.


I am pretty sure most police and prosecutors have a "It's ok when we do it" attitude about many of the (too many) laws that we have. So yeah, I would not be surprised if they genuinely think your comparison is invalid.

It is sad really.
 
2014-07-09 09:34:02 PM  
Reading the government's press release that they haven't actually done what the defense side says they threatened to do, I'm willing to consider the possibility that the detective and prosecutor are lying to the defendant, as they may possibly lawfully do, threatening to do this ridiculously humiliating search warrant to try to persuade/borderline coerce a guilty plea.

The idea that that they need new photos of not just of his penis but of his erection to identify him in evidence is ridiculous and unprecedented AFAIK. There are no other distinguishing marks on other identifying information in the evidence? It's absurd.
 
2014-07-09 09:34:35 PM  
t2.gstatic.com

Picture of the scuzzbag State's Attorney.
 
2014-07-09 09:34:42 PM  
...any your Delta Tau Chi name is Pinto......
 
2014-07-09 09:35:04 PM  
Cops are pigs.
Film at eleventy.
 
2014-07-09 09:36:40 PM  
Who was injured here?
 
2014-07-09 09:37:32 PM  
"He said they took him to a room and took pictures of his genitalia," Bigley said. "I asked if they're allowed to do that, and [Trey] said, 'I tried to refuse,'" which he did, he didn't want to do it. They told him if he did not they would do it by force."

Isn't that rape, or at least sexual assault?

And then there is this.

Simms was allowed to leave the area to visit family, but will be back for another court date on July 15.

If I were him I would leave the state and not come back. If somebody who had already raped me told me the exact day they were going to rape me again I would leave and not come back. And wherever he is, his family needs to report this to the FBI and try to get them to investigate.
 
2014-07-09 09:39:06 PM  
Wouldn't this be covered by the 5th Amendment?
 
2014-07-09 09:39:46 PM  
I thought the headline was a joke.

No, Virginia. There is not a Satan clause.

You stupid bastards.
 
2014-07-09 09:39:55 PM  
What really gets me is that a cop said that they would use "special software" to determine if the penis is the kid's. Huh? What's the name of the program? Who manufactured it? How in the world can anyone tell if it actually works? Will the prosecution be required to prove that the software does what it's supposed to do? If so, how will it do so?
 
2014-07-09 09:40:10 PM  
The Police forcing a kid to get an erection and the taking pictures. Sounds like child abuse and manufacture and dissemination of child porn.
Arrest the cops!
 
2014-07-09 09:40:16 PM  

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: He's 17. He probably already has an erection.


Came here to say this...

Erm...

Let me rephrase that...

*shakes tiny fist*

/not really any better
 
2014-07-09 09:41:21 PM  

ferretman: Does it have a mole?


www.johnmonty.com

/bent a little to the left.
 
2014-07-09 09:41:30 PM  
The police and DA are bugnuts-farking insane about this. Just ridiculous.
 
2014-07-09 09:42:20 PM  

oh_please: Lamberts Ho Man: Kalashinator: No ITG comments yet? Ok.

If I'm in the 17-year old's shoes, does some Manassas City cop really want to be murdered while attempting to force a minor to have an erection and manufacture child pornography?  And does the prosecutor who pushed for it and the judge who signed the warrant really want to facilitate all that?

/end ITG
//I hate needles THAT much
///almost as much as sexual assault

Want to know where that injection goes? No, you probably don't.

http://www.urologicalcare.com/other-ed-treatments/penile-injection-th e rapy/

Any body want to lay odds on white girl/black guy?

Read upthread. He's a white guy. Quit being a racist asshole.


What exactly makes him a racist asshole for assuming that? I bet you that the majority of the people in this thread were thinking the same thing because you know why? There is a very good track record of silly shiat like this turning out that exact way. So why does people assuming that offend you so much and make you start calling people racist? Project much?
 
2014-07-09 09:43:36 PM  
DNRTFA but is it the one that ends with the cop talking about using special software to compare penises? This is something our valiant fark LEOs never told us about... Cops having special dick comparison software.
 
2014-07-09 09:44:02 PM  

ZAZ: Foster said the case began when the teen's 15-year-old girlfriend sent photos of herself to the 17-year-old, who in turn sent her the video in question. The girl has not been charged, and her mother filed a complaint about the boy's video, Foster said.

The boy should file a complaint against the girl.

Courts here ruled that asymmetric prosecution in prostitution cases is unconstitutional. The prostitute can have her charges dropped if police don't charge johns equally. That was based on state law.

On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a California law setting different ages of consent for boys and girls. Under federal constitutional law it's OK to selectively prosecute boys in sex cases.

But in this case the 15 year old committed a worse crime (assuming those were naked pictures). 15 is farther under the age of consent for porn than 17 is.


Considering this is the court system the girl won't be touched but the boy will be nailed for receiving it because vagina
 
2014-07-09 09:44:08 PM  

Fr._Peter_Fitznuggly: The 17-year old should gear up to sue any medical practitioner unethical enough to deliver medically unnecessary treatment.




What if it was a really really sexy nurse?
 
2014-07-09 09:45:06 PM  

sillydragon: DNRTFA but is it the one that ends with the cop talking about using special software to compare penises? This is something our valiant fark LEOs never told us about... Cops having special dick comparison software.


You don't have the iMushroomStamp app? Luddite.
 
2014-07-09 09:46:52 PM  

Fr._Peter_Fitznuggly: The 17-year old should gear up to sue any medical practitioner unethical enough to deliver medically unnecessary treatment.


VA is a different kind of place, but in most states this entire case has lawsuit written all over it. The boy is being harassed.
 
2014-07-09 09:47:22 PM  

sillydragon: DNRTFA but is it the one that ends with the cop talking about using special software to compare penises? This is something our valiant fark LEOs never told us about... Cops having special dick comparison software.


Virginia cops have always been special dicks.
www.styleweekly.com
 
2014-07-09 09:49:50 PM  

Werehamster: What really gets me is that a cop said that they would use "special software" to determine if the penis is the kid's. Huh? What's the name of the program? Who manufactured it? How in the world can anyone tell if it actually works? Will the prosecution be required to prove that the software does what it's supposed to do? If so, how will it do so?


There is software that IDs the unique curves of an ear. I guess it's an iteration of that. Map the veins and such...Pretty farked up in this case, given the circumstances.

Thank GOD cellphones with cameras were not around in my teens. No way I'd have the security clearance I have now.
 
2014-07-09 09:50:03 PM  

Giltric: So if I say Obama should be impeached for whatever XYZ, and someone comes along and says I am only saying that because Obama is black, does that make them the racist?

If anything the farkers suggesting the male involved might be black are almost calling the mother the racist in this scenario.

Maybe you've watered down racist to mean everything but in actuality it makes it mean nothing.


The reason I say this is because a lot of Farkers just want to immediately post that "I bet it's a BLACK MAN, see how it's unfair???", and try to turn it into a racial issue, when it's not, especially when they fail at reading comprehension...there have been at least two links posted before that show he's a white man, but they don't care about actually reading the farking thread, they just want to jump in and show everyone how cool they are.

Maybe you've watered down racist to mean everything but in actuality it makes it mean nothing.

You're right. Get it?
 
2014-07-09 09:50:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: There's an update on the article with the police having released a statement, view it here.

On first blush, if they're having to release a statement defending their actions, that likely means they're getting a lot of backlash over this, so that's good.

They do mention that the girl asked him to stop sending her dick pics, which, if true, and he kept doing it, does make him sort of a jerk, but it's certainly not worth felony charges.  If that was the actual situation the correct course of action would have been to have her parents tell his parents, and have them ground him and take away his phone.  This entire situation does not warrant police involvement.


But my snowflake would have never saw a penis until her wedding night at the age of 32 if it wasn't for that nasty 17 year old. I am outraged!
 
2014-07-09 09:53:25 PM  

sillydragon: DNRTFA but is it the one that ends with the cop talking about using special software to compare penises? This is something our valiant fark LEOs never told us about... Cops having special dick comparison software.


and hardware:

static.squarespace.com
Really.

/No, not really.
 
2014-07-09 09:56:11 PM  

sillydragon: DNRTFA but is it the one that ends with the cop talking about using special software to compare penises? This is something our valiant fark LEOs never told us about... Cops having special dick comparison software.


That was when my bullshiat alarm went off again after I'd hit its snooze button at the beginning of the story. It sounds like something an interrogator would make up to get a naive suspect to confess/plead guilty.
 
2014-07-09 10:00:12 PM  

Nem Wan: sillydragon: DNRTFA but is it the one that ends with the cop talking about using special software to compare penises? This is something our valiant fark LEOs never told us about... Cops having special dick comparison software.

That was when my bullshiat alarm went off again after I'd hit its snooze button at the beginning of the story. It sounds like something an interrogator would make up to get a naive suspect to confess/plead guilty.


Enhance...Enhance...OH MY GOD ENHANCE!
 
2014-07-09 10:03:24 PM  
Everyone involved in prosecuting that case should be charged as producers of child rape.

They want to stick a needle in his dick and force a priapism.

They want to compare a picture of his penis to all the other pictures of childrens penises that they have on their hard drives...

/Why doesn't anyone like or trust the police anymore
//Because you shot my dog and are now taking photos of my sons penis.
 
2014-07-09 10:05:05 PM  
Hai guyz!  I just came from the college rape false-accusation-or-not? flamewar; what's this thread about?
 
2014-07-09 10:13:56 PM  
So the punishment for taking pictures of your dick and sharing them is to have other people take pictures of your dick and share them? Does this mean everyone involved in taking pictures of said member will in turn have to have pictures of their respective pieces taken and shared? Assumedly this would continue ad nauseum until the entire planet has seen each others genitals?
 
2014-07-09 10:16:24 PM  

Nem Wan: Cops having special dick comparison software.


I heard that in this case they're using the police departments and prosecutors employee ID card photos as a reference.
 
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