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2014-07-09 01:43:57 PM
They already have something like this. They're called "bottles".

If you want to be fancy, pour the beer into a glass first.
 
2014-07-09 02:02:55 PM

Donnchadha: They already have something like this. They're called "bottles".

If you want to be fancy, pour the beer into a glass first.


If you want to get drunk without lugging around a case of shiatty beer, this stuff works great, take your pick:

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-07-09 02:18:24 PM
So, it'll brew shiatty, weak beer for you?  May as well just go out and buy a 6-pack of Bud Light. :/
 
2014-07-09 02:52:11 PM

xanadian: So, it'll brew shiatty, weak beer for you?  May as well just go out and buy a 6-pack of Bud Light. :/


This is basically what I was going to say. Keurigs are for people who don't like coffee and for offices where no one will clean the coffee maker or brew a fresh pot.
 
2014-07-09 03:45:20 PM

xanadian: So, it'll brew shiatty, weak beer for you?  May as well just go out and buy a 6-pack of Bud Light. :/


No, it'll allow you to dispense shiatty, weak, and possibly flat beer for several times the cost of buying bottles of the stuff.
 
2014-07-09 03:54:49 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: xanadian: So, it'll brew shiatty, weak beer for you?  May as well just go out and buy a 6-pack of Bud Light. :/

No, it'll allow you to dispense shiatty, weak, and possibly flat beer for several times the cost of buying bottles of the stuff.


Ah.  Either way, DO NOT WANT
 
2014-07-09 04:18:22 PM
I've thought about grabbing one of these for homebrew.  Still not positive how you go about filling it.
 
2014-07-09 04:42:08 PM
How do you keep it from going flat en route?

I'll stick to my occasional hard liquors. I only drink a couple times a year now anyway. :(
 
2014-07-09 04:53:24 PM
"The cartridges keep the beer fresh for about 30 days and are as easy to store as a bag of ground coffee."

Storing ground coffee. I'm out.
 
2014-07-09 04:58:00 PM
Nothing about this sounds appealing.
 
2014-07-09 04:59:18 PM
It sounds like a cool idea but not sure how well it would work.
 
2014-07-09 05:00:08 PM
Yeah, this falls squarely into the "believe it when I taste it" category.
 
2014-07-09 05:03:03 PM
Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.
 
2014-07-09 05:05:41 PM

I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.


This is Fark. No one read's articles.
/I did, though. And I think it sounds like a pretty good idea.
 
2014-07-09 05:09:05 PM

I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.


Some companies already make mini kegs and you dont have to buy a highfalutin dispenser.
 
2014-07-09 05:10:41 PM

neritz: I've thought about grabbing one of these for homebrew.  Still not positive how you go about filling it.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/197/516/d8d05cb8ebf83b81e3b3 e3 2226fb6bb9_large.PNG?1403801787 

It's just a bag instead of a growler, they seem to have their own special filling head for it, but that should be buy-able I'm sure.  Imagine it as a 1 gal keg-dispense setup.

(https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1620669801/synek-any-beer-ever -ma de-fresh-on-your-counter more details...but not that much more...)
 
2014-07-09 05:15:46 PM
Do you have to finish the bag of whatits before you load another bag.

Or can you pour a schooner of whatits and then load a bag of whatever?

Because that sounds like an expensive but "hip" way of just grabbing a bottle out of the fridge.
 
2014-07-09 05:19:51 PM
Considering keurig is the asshat company that added drm to farking coffee the thought of keurig for (insert food or beverage here) makes me recoil in horror
 
2014-07-09 05:20:59 PM

Giltric: Do you have to finish the bag of whatits before you load another bag.

Or can you pour a schooner of whatits and then load a bag of whatever?

Because that sounds like an expensive but "hip" way of just grabbing a bottle out of the fridge.


Looks like it's single bag at a time for now, but their FAQ says you can swap bags without screwing one over (although I assume you'd need to stick the other bag in the fridge).

I'd also assume that a multi-bag model would be in the cards at some point if it catches on.
 
2014-07-09 05:21:19 PM
I recommend watching the Kickstarter video on the linked page in the article. This is effectively a method for filling and distribution from brewers at the site. Not all breweries are able to afford bottling or canning or distribution, especially not for all beers brewed. The adapter, though, allows breweries to fill these bags as one would a growler but while maintaining higher quality similar to keg fills. This is having local beer on tap.
 
2014-07-09 06:04:28 PM

Vangor: I recommend watching the Kickstarter video on the linked page in the article. This is effectively a method for filling and distribution from brewers at the site. Not all breweries are able to afford bottling or canning or distribution, especially not for all beers brewed. The adapter, though, allows breweries to fill these bags as one would a growler but while maintaining higher quality similar to keg fills. This is having local beer on tap.


Forget that. This is, indeed, Keurig for beer, in that they're hoping you're dumb enough to buy a proprietary delivery system, forcing brewers to license their proprietary system and you to buy beer in minute quantities, for far more than it costs to buy locally or make your own, only from licensed brewers. There's no advantage to the customer - the customer has to keep the delivery system clean, provide space for it, and gets nothing but increased cost in return. All the advantage of this system goes to the brewery, which gets a possible expansion of business, and to the folks who license the delivery system, who basically make all their money on licensing. (You charge for costs on the delivery system itself - it's the breweries that make these folks rich, not you.)

Oh, and it doesn't actually exist yet - they're hoping to start selling them in 2015.

I have no incentive whatsoever to purchase this bit of stupidity. I can buy 12 bottles of good beer, from my local brewery, for a fraction of the cost of buying this delivery system and beer bags.
 
2014-07-09 06:09:29 PM

Vangor: I recommend watching the Kickstarter video on the linked page in the article. This is effectively a method for filling and distribution from brewers at the site. Not all breweries are able to afford bottling or canning or distribution, especially not for all beers brewed. The adapter, though, allows breweries to fill these bags as one would a growler but while maintaining higher quality similar to keg fills. This is having local beer on tap.


I have local beer on tap, though. Our local liquor stores and breweries will happily fill bottles, growlers, and kegs for you with no difficulty. At best, this is the zymurgical equivalent of shipping lobsters to Iowa - a possible increase in business for smaller producers, by providing a more easily accessible distribution method. However, because the customer has to buy the delivery system, there has to be some way to offset that expense, and I don't see that anywhere.

If 11 cans of beer are the same price as a single bag for this system, the customer's still out the cost and maintenance of the delivery system. If the bag costs more than the cans, well, you're screwed as a customer - you're paying more for the privilege, with no way to recoup costs at all. If the bag costs less than the cans, the customer has the chance to recoup the delivery system costs, making it worthwhile. That's the goal, but I don't see that expressed anywhere - even if hundreds of breweries are willing to give it a go, if the customer can't be convinced to buy, it's pointless.
 
2014-07-09 06:20:03 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: . I only drink a couple times a year day now anyway


I'm just like you
 
2014-07-09 06:34:53 PM
keurig: when making bad tasting coffee is too difficult & doesn't produce enough trash, try us!
 
2014-07-09 06:46:54 PM

I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.


Like I said earlier, they're already doing this -- they're called BOTTLES and you don't need an expensive dispenser to use them.
 
2014-07-09 07:02:44 PM
Coffee is my beer.  And all you need for coffee is a french press.
 
2014-07-09 07:05:45 PM

Donnchadha: I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.

Like I said earlier, they're already doing this -- they're called BOTTLES and you don't need an expensive dispenser to use them.


Yep. We've become slaves to the new, though, so it's a toss-up. Will folks do basic math and realize this doesn't give them enough bang for buck? Who knows! Who cares! It's new!
 
2014-07-09 07:12:35 PM

Nabb1: xanadian: So, it'll brew shiatty, weak beer for you?  May as well just go out and buy a 6-pack of Bud Light. :/

This is basically what I was going to say. Keurigs are for people who don't like coffee and for offices where no one will clean the coffee maker or brew a fresh pot.


I like coffee and have a keurig. I use the reusable cup
 
2014-07-09 07:23:13 PM
the big thing that will fark up thier grand plans is the three tier system, the TTB, the BATF etcetc.

overall, they are setting them selves up as a beer of the month club type of thing. where they are a shipper/exporter distributer. they will only be avle to ship to certain states and if the brewery itself doesnt have an export license it wont be able to sell to them.
it wont be worth it to a lot of nano's out there because of minumum order number requirements. when the brewery I worked for fullfilled an order for one of the big beer of the month clubs it was a order of over 140,000 bottles.
I can only surmise that the special dispencer is how they are going to try to stand out in the market, but it sounds like a headache for everyone involved.
 
2014-07-09 07:34:42 PM
Disposable bags aren't a terrible idea.  I'd prefer to see them done party-pig style with a secondary bladder pushing against the bag instead of CO2 in the bag.  The secondary bladder could be anything fluid (gas or liquid) that can counter the pressure of the CO2 trying to leave the beer.  Even filled with water which is used to rinse out the lines after the beer is done.  And saves you from needing a CO2 tank.

I don't see this replacing growlers, but I can see it being an augmenter that if enough places in your general area support it it could be nice.

From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point, especially with the CO2 tank involved I might as well just buy a corney keg and keep my beer in it (which I do, and it lasts for freaking ever).  Sure it's a ready made mini kegerator, but a mini-fridge and a few 2.5 gal kegs can do the same thing, without the 30 day concern.
 
2014-07-09 07:39:47 PM
I'm gonna bet it's more SodaStream than Keurig.
 
2014-07-09 07:49:39 PM
Anybody up for a cold one? I'm headed to the store shortly. Maybe a variety pack of IPAs.
 
2014-07-09 07:55:02 PM

NkThrasher: Disposable bags aren't a terrible idea.  I'd prefer to see them done party-pig style with a secondary bladder pushing against the bag instead of CO2 in the bag.  The secondary bladder could be anything fluid (gas or liquid) that can counter the pressure of the CO2 trying to leave the beer.  Even filled with water which is used to rinse out the lines after the beer is done.  And saves you from needing a CO2 tank.

I don't see this replacing growlers, but I can see it being an augmenter that if enough places in your general area support it it could be nice.

From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point, especially with the CO2 tank involved I might as well just buy a corney keg and keep my beer in it (which I do, and it lasts for freaking ever).  Sure it's a ready made mini kegerator, but a mini-fridge and a few 2.5 gal kegs can do the same thing, without the 30 day concern.


like I said, the dispensor is the gimmick. they just want to be a inport/export distribution company.

also.. those machines are going to get funky nasty and filled with beer snot fast.
 
2014-07-09 07:57:08 PM
If this gives me the chance to drink the yearly Great Lakes Brewing Company Christmas Ale without boarding a damn plane, I'm all for it.
 
2014-07-09 07:59:08 PM

Cerebral Knievel: NkThrasher: Disposable bags aren't a terrible idea.  I'd prefer to see them done party-pig style with a secondary bladder pushing against the bag instead of CO2 in the bag.  The secondary bladder could be anything fluid (gas or liquid) that can counter the pressure of the CO2 trying to leave the beer.  Even filled with water which is used to rinse out the lines after the beer is done.  And saves you from needing a CO2 tank.

I don't see this replacing growlers, but I can see it being an augmenter that if enough places in your general area support it it could be nice.

From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point, especially with the CO2 tank involved I might as well just buy a corney keg and keep my beer in it (which I do, and it lasts for freaking ever).  Sure it's a ready made mini kegerator, but a mini-fridge and a few 2.5 gal kegs can do the same thing, without the 30 day concern.

like I said, the dispensor is the gimmick. they just want to be a inport/export distribution company.

also.. those machines are going to get funky nasty and filled with beer snot fast.


I'd imagine they have some sort of cleaning mechanism.  Like an ability to home-fill a bag with water to run through the system, similar to having a spray pump gizmo to run water through your tap lines from a keg.

I'm not as harsh on the idea as you seem to be though.  Box wine (really, bag in a box wine) is making a splash in the wine world.  I see no reason for not attempting a similar thing in the beer world to see how it pans out.
 
2014-07-09 08:10:10 PM

K.B.O. Winston: If this gives me the chance to drink the yearly Great Lakes Brewing Company Christmas Ale without boarding a damn plane, I'm all for it.


This is the major thought I had was broader distribution of draft quality specialized brews, but of course those laws apply to this as much as any other beer container. Right now, this has one positive about remaining longer than a growler, but a major drawback.

NkThrasher: From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point


This is why they have focused more on craft brewers after realizing this was more useful for people to distribute with.

FormlessOne: forcing brewers to license their proprietary system and you to buy beer in minute quantities


Where are you getting licensing from? There is an adapter for a fill line into the bags, and nothing else needed. The adapter is meant to be sold as a part. I simply cannot see breweries such as Founders and Red Hook and Harpoon which have wide distribution of bottles and kegs getting involved in this without high likelihood of returns. Basically, anyone who buys one of these will be able to see those breweries fill the rather inexpensive containers and swing by, nothing more. This in turn encourages people to consider buying them due to the positive noted.

FormlessOne: If 11 cans of beer are the same price as a single bag for this system


Canning is more prohibitively expensive than bottling for breweries. Perhaps there is buried licensing fees, but there seems to simply be a fill adapter needed for the bags, which gives a portable container.
 
2014-07-09 08:11:55 PM
I'd imagine the bags of beer are going to be $15-25 or more depending on style.
With an entry price if $350 for the machine, I fail to see how this is appealing to anyone.
 
2014-07-09 08:38:44 PM
Man, got some negative Nancys on here.  I looked at getting one of those mini-keg coolers that they sell from Williams Sonoma, but you couldn't refill the kegs or put external pressure on it.  This is basically a pressurized growler system.  Growlers last a day or two for carbonation and a few days more for flavor.  For best results, you really need to finish off the jug when you open it.  This will allow it the same portability / small batch sales as growlers without the downside of it going flat in a day.

My local beer bar (Avenue Pub) gets great beers that aren't distributed here in cans or bottles.  I can get them to fill a bag and bring it home.  Plus side is that the bags will probably be cheaper than a growler, downside is that they are designed to be single use.

And are they limited appeal?  Sure, but so are full size kegerators.  How many people actually have a kegerator?  Yet Costco finds it worthwhile to stock them.
 
2014-07-09 09:22:28 PM

NkThrasher: Disposable bags aren't a terrible idea.  I'd prefer to see them done party-pig style with a secondary bladder pushing against the bag instead of CO2 in the bag.  The secondary bladder could be anything fluid (gas or liquid) that can counter the pressure of the CO2 trying to leave the beer.  Even filled with water which is used to rinse out the lines after the beer is done.  And saves you from needing a CO2 tank.

I don't see this replacing growlers, but I can see it being an augmenter that if enough places in your general area support it it could be nice.

From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point, especially with the CO2 tank involved I might as well just buy a corney keg and keep my beer in it (which I do, and it lasts for freaking ever).  Sure it's a ready made mini kegerator, but a mini-fridge and a few 2.5 gal kegs can do the same thing, without the 30 day concern.


The 30 days is after opening, not after loading.  At least according to the makers.
 
2014-07-09 09:42:39 PM
I'm starting to realize that people who are passionate about beer also have terrible, terrible business acumen.
 
2014-07-09 09:44:00 PM

bdub77: Donnchadha: They already have something like this. They're called "bottles".

If you want to be fancy, pour the beer into a glass first.

If you want to get drunk without lugging around a case of shiatty beer, this stuff works great, take your pick:

[i.huffpost.com image 570x238]


When in doubt, VODAK~!
 
2014-07-09 10:09:47 PM

baconbeard: I'm starting to realize that people who are passionate about beer also have terrible, terrible business acumen.


It's almost as if they are drunk or something...
 
2014-07-09 10:24:48 PM

I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.


I was going to whine about that but you beat me to it.  It's fairly normal for fark but I read an entire 150 plus comment thread in the politics tab yesterday to see if anyone actually commented on the content of the article.  nope.  and when mentioned that someone said something stupid like it wouldn't change the facts of why Obama is a hero or loser or whichever side it was.

But yeah they have boxed wine so why not.  This is just making a nice box that probably has some mechanicals that keep it pressurized and has some co2 aspect to dispensery somewhat like....oh i don't know...a full size keg.  Basically what we have here are keg inserts.
 
2014-07-09 10:25:19 PM

NkThrasher: Cerebral Knievel: NkThrasher: Disposable bags aren't a terrible idea.  I'd prefer to see them done party-pig style with a secondary bladder pushing against the bag instead of CO2 in the bag.  The secondary bladder could be anything fluid (gas or liquid) that can counter the pressure of the CO2 trying to leave the beer.  Even filled with water which is used to rinse out the lines after the beer is done.  And saves you from needing a CO2 tank.

I don't see this replacing growlers, but I can see it being an augmenter that if enough places in your general area support it it could be nice.

From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point, especially with the CO2 tank involved I might as well just buy a corney keg and keep my beer in it (which I do, and it lasts for freaking ever).  Sure it's a ready made mini kegerator, but a mini-fridge and a few 2.5 gal kegs can do the same thing, without the 30 day concern.

like I said, the dispensor is the gimmick. they just want to be a inport/export distribution company.

also.. those machines are going to get funky nasty and filled with beer snot fast.

I'd imagine they have some sort of cleaning mechanism.  Like an ability to home-fill a bag with water to run through the system, similar to having a spray pump gizmo to run water through your tap lines from a keg.

I'm not as harsh on the idea as you seem to be though.  Box wine (really, bag in a box wine) is making a splash in the wine world.  I see no reason for not attempting a similar thing in the beer world to see how it pans out.


no, there is nothing intrisinctly wrong with the notion of craft beer in a bag besides the notion that beer is carbonated and wine is not. dispensing wine and beer via a draft system are two differnt animals.

I am not pissing on the idea, I'm sorry if I come accross as such, I've been in the craft beer buisness as a foot soldiar for the better part of the last twenty years and have seen many a good idea foiled buy the hubris of the dreamer. I'm just saying that the idea, while having merrit is limited in feasability concerning how distribution laws and licensing laws for beer (a controlled substance) are set up in this country.
for one thing, there are 17 states that you absolutly can not do buisness with concerning the mail order laws concerning distribution of alcohol... leagally.
how often are the breweries in question going to have to fullfill orders for these bag things? what is going to be the minimum order? what happens to the order once it is sent out? is it going to be sitting on a warehouse floor for ages before an order to ane customer is fullfilled? its alcohol, you cant treat like a widget from amazon, and it would be a pain in the ass to ask a brewer to randomly take time out of thier production schedule to pump out the random bag of beer to begin with even if it was a matter point to point manufacture.

once again... it sounds like I am pissing all over the idea, but I'm just trying to point out logistical issues/nightmares considering now you have specialised packaging for specialised point of service equipment.
 
2014-07-09 10:52:40 PM
That is stupid as shiat.
 
2014-07-09 10:59:21 PM

I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.


I brew my own beer too, and I have a 3 tap set-up so I don't have to drink 5 gallons of the same farking beer before I put something else on tap. So, with this you have to drink it all, 11 before you can put anything else on tap. Or, if they make larger dispensers, you lose a shiat ton of counter-top space...when you already have a perfectly good fridge.

Nothing about this isn't stupid.
 
2014-07-09 11:01:06 PM

NkThrasher: Disposable bags aren't a terrible idea.  I'd prefer to see them done party-pig style with a secondary bladder pushing against the bag instead of CO2 in the bag.  The secondary bladder could be anything fluid (gas or liquid) that can counter the pressure of the CO2 trying to leave the beer.  Even filled with water which is used to rinse out the lines after the beer is done.  And saves you from needing a CO2 tank.

I don't see this replacing growlers, but I can see it being an augmenter that if enough places in your general area support it it could be nice.

From a homebrew perspective a 30 day storage time doesn't impress me much for the price point, especially with the CO2 tank involved I might as well just buy a corney keg and keep my beer in it (which I do, and it lasts for freaking ever).  Sure it's a ready made mini kegerator, but a mini-fridge and a few 2.5 gal kegs can do the same thing, without the 30 day concern.


This, emphatically. I do miss the party pigs, but the 2.5g kegs work just fine.
 
2014-07-09 11:01:44 PM
The only fancy technology you really need. Better than a terrible bartender w/ a dirty tap.
 
2014-07-09 11:02:56 PM

Johnsnownw: I Mash Grains: Did nobody RTFA?
Breweries fill the packs, then you buy the packs and put it in the dispenser. If Russian River, Alesmith, or Wicked Weed starts doing this, I'm buying one.
I brew my own beer too.

I brew my own beer too, and I have a 3 tap set-up so I don't have to drink 5 gallons of the same farking beer before I put something else on tap. So, with this you have to drink it all, 11 before you can put anything else on tap. Or, if they make larger dispensers, you lose a shiat ton of counter-top space...when you already have a perfectly good fridge.

Nothing about this isn't stupid.


Yep. At $350 for a single tap coupled to a proprietary delivery system, it's damned stupid.
 
2014-07-10 12:22:40 AM
Sheesh. Fark coffee snobs are even worse than Fark beer snobs. I agree for the most part that the Keurigs are a rip-off, but they DO make a reusable cup that you can put your own coffee into instead of buying the single-use cups that are priced at roughly the same cost per ounce as printer ink (at least you can in the pre-DRM model that we have). We got ours for free and it doesn't get a lot of use, but since we got the reusable thing so that I can make whatever coffee I want for a reasonable price, I do break it out occasionally.

As for the beer thing, it looks like a neat idea, but cost would be a big determining factor. I'm not willing to pay a premium just for the "cool" factor, plus it looks like it's probably more work than it's worth. If I want to clean tap equipment, I'll whip up a batch of homebrew, keg it, and have a party.
 
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