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(Alaska Dispatch News)   There really is a town in Alaska where you can see Russia, but thanks to budget cuts, you can no longer fly back to the US   (adn.com) divider line 78
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2014-07-09 06:59:26 PM  

StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.

skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?

Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp
 
2014-07-09 07:03:41 PM  

DarkVader: whidbey: Copper Spork: whidbey: Because leaving it forgotten to history would be so much better

By all means remember it, learn from it, and do not allow it to happen again. But do not use it to justify special treatment for people who aren't affected by it.

It's cute you think First Nations people still aren't being oppressed in the modern day.

This is Alaska we're talking about.  You know, America, not Canada.

We call them Indians here.


Because white people pushing the same ignorant anthropological error somehow disproves my point.
 
2014-07-09 07:05:20 PM  

Luse: whidbey: Copper Spork: whidbey: Because leaving it forgotten to history would be so much better

By all means remember it, learn from it, and do not allow it to happen again. But do not use it to justify special treatment for people who aren't affected by it.

It's cute you think First Nations people still aren't being oppressed in the modern day.

It's cute that you think it's the Natives that are in any way oppressed or discriminated against. The only place I am aware of in the US where it is ok to openly discriminate against a job applicant based on race, and that race is anything other than Native.


Actually, seeing as how they're likely to fall victim to drug abuse and that most of them still live in abject poverty shows that oppression is still happening, and it's even cuter to hear white people say that First Nations people are doing fine in our society.
 
2014-07-09 07:05:31 PM  

Loadmaster: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.

skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?

Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp


yes, exactly:

During that appearance, interviewer Charles Gibson asked her what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, and she responded: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska"
 
2014-07-09 07:08:15 PM  

Devil's Playground: skyotter: lindalouwho: Oldiron_79: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.

This.

She just did.

are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?

I like how everybody likes to pile on to Sarah Palin on Fark for making a few gaffs in her speeches, while giving a complete pass to what comes out of Joe Biden's mouth. Things like: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Or : "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."


Because there's no such thing as a liberal bias in media. None whatsoever. Only a paranoid neocon who rabidly watches Fox news would say such a thing.

texaslynn.files.wordpress.com

/basically sums up the real story
 
2014-07-09 07:28:32 PM  

whidbey: Luse: whidbey: Copper Spork: whidbey: Because leaving it forgotten to history would be so much better

By all means remember it, learn from it, and do not allow it to happen again. But do not use it to justify special treatment for people who aren't affected by it.

It's cute you think First Nations people still aren't being oppressed in the modern day.

It's cute that you think it's the Natives that are in any way oppressed or discriminated against. The only place I am aware of in the US where it is ok to openly discriminate against a job applicant based on race, and that race is anything other than Native.

Actually, seeing as how they're likely to fall victim to drug abuse and that most of them still live in abject poverty shows that oppression is still happening, and it's even cuter to hear white people say that First Nations people are doing fine in our society.


You really do need to do some research.
Many believe the entitlements are actually what is causing the drug abuse. You see, on top of the oft quoted PFD Alaska's Natives also get another handout, simiply for being Native. On top of that they are also allowed to hunt on Federal land including National Parks. On top of that, many of the businesses are Native up there, we're talking major corporations. They have an open policy to discriminate against non-Natives. As in, they will tell you at the interview that they have several Native applicants, rough translation, "Don't bother."

 A common thing to see is a large group (10-15) pool their money for a trailer and utilities. Since food is virtually free and shelter's taken care of, the rest of the money goes to booze usually, meth if they want to get fancy.

First maybe do a little research, hell, why don't you move there for a bit and find out first hand before you start spouting off. I speak from first hand experience, you take "drug abuse" as a sure sign that they are oppressed, by your metric, so was Elvis.
 
2014-07-09 07:35:46 PM  

whidbey: buds: Jument: I read the wiki page. It was interesting but full of holes. Apparently 135 people live on the island. Who are they and why the hell are they out there?

According to Dave Attell they are "Snow Mexicans"

I'm sure some white privileged racist bastard would find such a comparison fitting.



Attell isn't white, you racist fool. He's Jewish.
 
2014-07-09 07:42:45 PM  

Loadmaster: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.
skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?
Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp


Thanks.
Can't link, wasn't in the mood to argue ;-)
 
2014-07-09 07:45:28 PM  

Gabrielmot: Okay, perhaps I'm missing something here, and excuse me if I am.... but... If this town is part of Alaska, you wouldn't *need* to fly back to the mainland to be in the US.



Just wait till winter and you can drive back to Alaska, on your snowmachine. It's only about 25 miles.

wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-09 07:50:10 PM  

lindalouwho: Loadmaster: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.
skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?
Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp

Thanks.
Can't link, wasn't in the mood to argue ;-)


there's an argument?  the Snopes link confirms her quote.  :)
 
2014-07-09 07:57:14 PM  
I had an employee whose cousin teaches on the island.  I was looking the place up and it sounded fascinating.  Not much to do there, but fascinating.  You'd want to get used to ebooks instead of print.
 
2014-07-09 07:59:16 PM  

whidbey: white privileged racist bastard


whidbey: white people pushing the same ignorant anthropological error


whidbey: white people say



Looks like the only ignorant racist bastard in this thread is YOU
 
2014-07-09 08:09:35 PM  

skyotter: lindalouwho: Loadmaster: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.
skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?
Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp

Thanks.
Can't link, wasn't in the mood to argue ;-)

there's an argument?  the Snopes link confirms her quote.  :)


No, no argument. Just a very tired commenter -me. Lol
 
2014-07-09 10:05:40 PM  

whidbey: DarkVader: whidbey: Copper Spork: whidbey: Because leaving it forgotten to history would be so much better

By all means remember it, learn from it, and do not allow it to happen again. But do not use it to justify special treatment for people who aren't affected by it.

It's cute you think First Nations people still aren't being oppressed in the modern day.

This is Alaska we're talking about.  You know, America, not Canada.

We call them Indians here.

Because white people pushing the same ignorant anthropological error somehow disproves my point.


Its cute you think they were the first nations.
 
2014-07-09 10:08:39 PM  

skyotter: lindalouwho: Loadmaster: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.
skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?
Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp

Thanks.
Can't link, wasn't in the mood to argue ;-)

there's an argument?  the Snopes link confirms her quote.  :)


Remind me again what the problem was. You can see Russia from Alaska.
 
2014-07-09 10:33:19 PM  

This text is now purple: skyotter: lindalouwho: Loadmaster: StrikitRich: Shame Tina Fey doesn't get the credit she deserves for this headline.
skyotter: are we pretending that Palin DIDN'T say "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska" when asked about her foreign diplomacy credentials?
Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp

Thanks.
Can't link, wasn't in the mood to argue ;-)

there's an argument?  the Snopes link confirms her quote.  :)

Remind me again what the problem was. You can see Russia from Alaska.


I think the problem is that when asked about her foreign policy experience she used this as her credentials.

It would be like someone asking me about my foreign policy experience and having me answer. Minnesota shares a border with Canada that you could walk across.

Wasilla is about 600 miles from the nearest point in Russia. Minneapolis is 300 miles from the Canadian border. I guess I have twice the experience she did.
 
2014-07-09 10:49:24 PM  
/came for the anti-Palin comments

//didn't leave unsatisfied
 
2014-07-09 11:18:07 PM  

whidbey: buds: Jument: I read the wiki page. It was interesting but full of holes. Apparently 135 people live on the island. Who are they and why the hell are they out there?

According to Dave Attell they are "Snow Mexicans"

I'm sure some white privileged racist bastard would find such a comparison fitting.


It's called "Comedy" ... Francis
 
2014-07-09 11:28:13 PM  

Rigby-Reardon: It would be like someone asking me about my foreign policy experience and having me answer. Minnesota shares a border with Canada that you could walk across.


If you were the governor of Minnesota.
 
2014-07-09 11:48:53 PM  

Alien Robot: Rigby-Reardon: It would be like someone asking me about my foreign policy experience and having me answer. Minnesota shares a border with Canada that you could walk across.

If you were the governor of Minnesota.


That part doesn't matter. The question was not experience in government, or elected positions. It was foreign policy.

The fact that a governor could potentially see a foreign country from their state has as much foreign policy experience associated with it as my 19 month old looking across the border from minnesota to canada.

The answer you are looking for is none.
 
2014-07-10 02:49:46 AM  

Rigby-Reardon: Alien Robot: Rigby-Reardon: It would be like someone asking me about my foreign policy experience and having me answer. Minnesota shares a border with Canada that you could walk across.

If you were the governor of Minnesota.

That part doesn't matter. The question was not experience in government, or elected positions. It was foreign policy.

The fact that a governor could potentially see a foreign country from their state has as much foreign policy experience associated with it as my 19 month old looking across the border from minnesota to canada.

The answer you are looking for is none.


Of course you are correct.   And Rick Perry knows nothing about the open border with Mexico. the drugs and gangs coming across, and the complete lack of support from the Obama administration.    Because he is only the governor of the state that is right there next to Mexico.    Your biased opinion is completely logical.
 
2014-07-10 07:45:06 AM  

TexasRedbud: Rigby-Reardon: Alien Robot: Rigby-Reardon: It would be like someone asking me about my foreign policy experience and having me answer. Minnesota shares a border with Canada that you could walk across.

If you were the governor of Minnesota.

That part doesn't matter. The question was not experience in government, or elected positions. It was foreign policy.

The fact that a governor could potentially see a foreign country from their state has as much foreign policy experience associated with it as my 19 month old looking across the border from minnesota to canada.

The answer you are looking for is none.

Of course you are correct.   And Rick Perry knows nothing about the open border with Mexico. the drugs and gangs coming across, and the complete lack of support from the Obama administration.    Because he is only the governor of the state that is right there next to Mexico.    Your biased opinion is completely logical.


If during an interview Perry's answer to a question about how he has interacted with Mexico he says, "well from parts of Texas you can see Mexico." I would be saying the same about him. I would expect him to state the things you listed, plus trade missions, etc.

Even Sarah Palin thought she flubbed the answer. The actual answer, not the SNL version.

You CAN see Russia from Alaska, but handled topic poorly

Katie Couric asked me how living in Alaska informed my foreign policy experience. So I began by trying to squeeze a geographical primer into a 10-second sound bite, explaining that only a narrow maritime borders separates Alaska from Russia. But Katie interrupted. I wish now I had stopped her and said, "Here's the geographical context. Now may I answer your question?"
There was so much I could and should have said, and I later kicked myself for not doing so. For instance, that Russian bombers often play cat-and-mouse with our Air Force near Alaska's airspace. That melting polar sea ice has created new trade routes but has also created security threats. And that, yes, you can indeed see Russia from Alaska.
And those were just the foreign policy issues (though issues certainly foreign to most governors). But Katie's purpose--shared by most media types--seemed to be to frame a "gotcha" moment. And it worked. Instead of my scoring points for John McCain, I knew that I had let the team down.
Source: Going Rogue, by Sarah Palin, p.274-275 , Nov 17, 2009

That is what I am commenting on, not whether she did have any experience.
 
2014-07-10 08:22:54 AM  
Why do people care about Sarah Palin? She was an unprepared failed vice-presidential candidate.
 
2014-07-10 08:41:12 AM  

fat boy: How about living where the roads are ?


So, you want to take everyone in Alaska that doesn't live in Anchorage and have them move to Seattle?
 
2014-07-10 10:08:13 AM  

whidbey: hurr Saruh Palin didn't say that you libs durr


Actually, she did:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

i1022.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-10 12:58:10 PM  

DarkVader: This is Alaska we're talking about. You know, America, not Canada.

We call them Indians here.


*pedant hat* LOL INFODUMP TIME LET'S LRN THINGS
Only some Alaskan Native communities prefer to be called "Indian", because most people identify "Indians" as those who exist along a cultural continuum with the southern tribes that differs somewhat from that of the "Eskimos". (As with "Indian", "Eskimo" is kind of a fraught, obsolete term that's offensive to some people, celebrated by others, and unwise to use as the default. Best to use the specific tribe name or "Alaskan Native/Native American/First Nations/one of the other more neutral terms" if you don't know what the person prefers.)
The main cultural groups in Alaska are the southeastern tribes (Tlingit, Haida, Tsimshian, etc.; "Indians"), the Athabaskan tribes usually found in interior Alaska (Dena'ina, Gwich'in, Kuskokwim, etc.; "Indians"); the Alutiiq/Sugpiaq tribes in southern coastal Alaska (more often "Eskimos"); the Aleut/Unangan people in the southwest (more often "Indians"); and the Yup'ik/Inupiat continuum along the western and northern coasts ("Eskimos"). The people in TFA are Inupiat. (If you're familiar with Inuit, yes, they're similar.) So they'd be "Eskimos". QED and shiat!

/studying this closely in anthropology
//figuring out what's what in indigenous Alaskan history is so confusing, but so fascinating
///I know this is pointless but I felt like infodumping :D
////fun fact: Athabaskan Alaskans speak a language that's directly related to Navajo
 
2014-07-10 03:25:46 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Why do people care about Sarah Palin? She was an unprepared failed vice-presidential candidate.


Because this is Fark and we revel in the glory of such magnificent ineptitude.
 
2014-07-10 03:29:35 PM  

Luse: Many believe the entitlements are actually what is causing the drug abuse


Yeah. White people. Conservatives and other anti-government types.

Your point?
 
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